Rangers Banter Archive January 29 2014

29 Jan 2014 21:39:31
Ed, I think McCoist needs to drop Black. When he was out of the team at the start of the season Law flourished playing holding midfield collecting the ball from the defence & spreading play. I also don't get McCoist trying to turn Little in to a wide man. Just like Smith did with Lafferty its ruining the career of a very good goal scorer when they hit form. Time we went 3 at the back 4 in the middle, Temps wide left Daily in the middle and Shiels wide right & pin in teams. Jigs pace chasing back is the only flaw time to give Gasparotto his time.

{Ed039's Note - Lee Wallace?)

I think the board have to drop McCoist

Why exactly? 62 points gained out of 64, still in two cup competitions, the one we went out based on some ludicrous SFA ruling about who we could play on the day.

It seems the spivs are now out and that's done and dusted and you should be happy. The pro Ally brigade will still support him. Just wish there were a few more on this site but I'll continue to back the man nonetheless.

@ 1 and 2 guys probably 50% of posters on here back Ally and 50% are less enthusiastic but can we not just move on and agree to differ? Surely 100% of us are getting bored with this particular debate- or is it just me?
@ OP Big Lee will be 36 in May and was never blessed with tremendous pace so probably Luca will get his place next season. If the guy is good enough to be called up to his national squad I think he should cope with the Championship next season. I would hope that a further saving would be Kyle McAusland insted of Faure who hopefully only had a 2 season deal.

@2 u r right about the 62 out of 64 points however Ally has needed a yearly wage bill of £6-7m to achieve this when a better manager could have achieved the same with less than half that. He is against part time players in a league where the average yearly wages are £100k. When we were demoted it was the chance to build a team consisting of some seasoned pros and youths. Ally however has filled the team with over priced journeymen players with no longterm future and no sell on value. Is that good longterm management? The standard of football has been poor and we are now scraping results at Ibrox. Why buy players like Foster, Smith and Simonsen? Why keep playing Black and Faure who will both be found out in the championship. Currently we have only 2 players in the side that would command any sort of transfer fee and there is no evidence that any of the youngsters are being developed properly. Course if u r happy with that then u must be very easily pleased. Ally is a poor manager and the team won't progress under him. I am even concerned that we will struggle in the championship next season and might find ourselves stuck in this league for a season or 2

I hate it when people go on about how many points we have. our playing budget is 70 times the average in our league. 70 times! and what style of play do we get for that? a long ball punted up the park! I don't understand the mccoist defenders. he's incapable of developing youth players, is tacticly inept, and is most definitely not building a team for the future. bring back alex mccleish.

Here here, Big ECK would be an excellent choice, a good manager with strong morals and integrity, not like the fake we have now

29 Jan 2014 11:03:46
im sick to the back teeth of people coming on here and making excuses for our poor performances the number 1 excuse is these smaller part time teams raise their game when they play Rangers, well maybe the bunch of mediocre players we put out each week should raise there game to the standard that justify s the wages the get paid each week. Maybe then we might see some entertaining football.

i would love to see the Jim McLean model of management low to average wage with high win and performance bonus. I know this is never going to happen because players are far to used to getting paid handsomely win lose or draw.

if I had my way I would pay them 1/3 of their wages if they lose 2/3 of their wages for a draw and their full wage for a win. in any other walk of life outside sport if you don't do your job to an acceptable standard you get the boot.

OP great post mate agree 100%. Incentives making up a big chunk of the pay packet would lead to more effort including from the management team who could then go out on scouting duties instead of playing golf on all their days and half days off.
Greater rewards for greater effort and performance- nowt wrong with that

Op well how would your bnus system work they have oly dropped two points all season so ar this season they would have been docked 2 thirds of one weeks wages iought on Sat the only time they layed with any pace was when they were behind these players will have to motivate themselves

@2 maybe the bonus system would mean they tried from the start of a game not when we go a goal down'

im a season ticket holder in BR if I had just turned up for the second half of our games I wouldn't have missed anything our first half performances have been ridiculous in most cases we seem to only want to do enough to win and in my opinion that is not acceptable, ipay for 90 mins of football so I expect them to put in a 90min shift not 45min

Good post from @2 to OP. Checkmate OP.

@2 you beat me to the punch line mate

JG

@ 2 4 and 5 if you read the OP's full post "high win AND PERFORMANCE " you may have been less dismissive of the idea. For years Rangers have had deadwood from Daniel Prodin, Marco Negri after his fight with Big Amo and many others who picked up big money for doing ZIPPO.

The post is relevant for the current situation in as much as the REAL crowd entering Ibrox not the 33,000 ST holders plus the pay at the gate continually being stated as 40,000 plus thousands fell massively last season and a blind man could see Ibrox was barely half full.
So the match day take was considerably down and if the performance is poor then the bears will stay away and the Club suffers a loss of income- not a difficult concept.

Nbear i'm not being dismissive i'm only pointing out the flaws who would judge which players did not perform to the standard needed for full wages you couldn't dock the whole team as some may have played their heart out while others have a poor game so then you leave yourself open to employment laws not to mention player revolt this is 2014 you can't just dock someones wages because you think he had a poor day which bring me back to the win bonus because of the league we are in it wouldn't work as I tried to point out we can all play poorly but still win as I said only 2 points dropped all season they have been asked to take a 51% wage cut the likes of Wallace I haven seen him have a poor game and what happens to him we try and sell him you wonder why player are not happy the spives upstairs have lined their pockets of us the fans but its the players that are aske to take a cut I ask you would you take a cut in your work I would not we need to get this club back on track raise the morale of players get back to the top league then we can talk about a win bonus

Nbear - I don't disagree that our perfomances are well below an acceptable level and it is affecting our crowds,
but we are having a bit o banter and what Lbear said was
and I quote
"if I had my way I would pay them 1/3 of their wages if they lose 2/3 of their wages for a draw and their full wage for a win. in any other walk of life outside sport if you don't do your job to an acceptable standard you get the boot".

Jg

Nbear I am being dismissive, who decides what is a good performance? Playing football for a living isn't like working in an office, how many times have you gone home from a game saying you thought so and so had a poor game only for someone else to say they thought he had a great game? And they can't train all day every day they are sports men and whether you like it or not they should be paid as such as we are the biggest club in Scotland, if as you fear we are going bust its not because of the players wages its the non playing staff that are taking the vast majority of our money. Try finding out whos getting what, it will astound you the money we are paying to consultants etc then you might leave the team alone.

@ 7 and 8 okay agreed. But going forward hopefully Mr Wallace will look at some future individual incentive scheme. And yes Wallace in particular has almost not had a bad game in the last two seasons so would have been penalised unfairly with a 15% cut.

@9 not doing tit for tat mate but generally the crowd will know whether they have been entertained by our team or not. Pretty much all last season and apart from early season (Forfar league cup game not counted) and the Dunfermline game at East End Park this season has been like sitting in a dentist chair for 105 minutes. Yes we will achieve the aim of promotion but if we do not start to entertain the crowds will fall. There will be one big rally and full house when the title is won at Ibrox or the game after but otherwise the crowds will diminish.
Yes there will be the odd disagreement about individual games but if I state here our two best players over the season have been Wallace and MacLead there wouldn't be too many dissenting voices.
The boards who together with their consultants have done next to nothing (and worse) for their ill gotten gains have walked off with far too much money including the highly dubious IPO costs- AGREED 100% - NO CONTEST! But the point is they are not the reason we turn up at Ibrox it is the team.
And if the team don't perform our numbers drop. So if like me you were disgusted with Tore Andre Flo, Daniel Prodan, Oleg Kutsneskov, Filippe Sebo et all AND THEIR LUDICROUS SALARIES surely you would see the contract should be different and they are not guaranteed 100% of all moneys even if they never play or are shyte the majority of times they play.
If you cannot see that then we truly inhabit different worlds. Faure, Cribari, Black, Stevie Smith etc on full wages irrespective- No surely not!

Nbear2 imagine me you lochaberbear baybear george cooperboy etc and let's throw in delbhoy1888, all in a pub at the same time sitting round a table with a couple of beers discussing the Gers, that would be something eh?The fact is most of us want the same thing but want to go about it in a different way, that's the way life is.

@ JYF sounds good to me and I bet we would agree on everything or maybe not!

@13 "the beer in heres crap- no I think its a great pint-WHAT the landlord clearly has to go-its no the landlords fault its down to Tennants-Who owns this pub anyway" and it will be down hill from there.

29 Jan 2014 09:51:38
Rangers reject offer of £900,000 from nottingham forrest for lee wallace!

Rightly so. Every player has a price and Wallace is a class act. Rangers best player.
1. 5 or 2 Millon if Rangers need to sell him,

@OP I was slightly surprised there was an offer given we have all read that big Lee has no interest in leaving Ibrox.
And we know footballers always tell it as it is but then I wondered if the ill advised request of the first team squad to take a 15% pay cut was a bit of a fishing trip? That would possibly unsettle big Lee who might then think- Admin 2- uncertainty- delay in returning to top flight?
Had the board been serious about 15% pay cut they would have waited until Stockbridge's departure and announced further tightening of the belt upstairs wouldn't they?
Finally Ally will not want to lose any player (never mind his consistently best player)and if Lee doesn't want to leave then nothing will happen. But at what level of fee (if big Lee agrees to go) would Mr Wallace and our Ally have their difficult discussion with each other? Depends on how much brown stuff we are currently in - you would think.

{Ed039's Note - forest are aware of what Rangers want and at this moment arent willing to match that, they may be back depending on other targets)

@2 slow down you are overthinking it, Forrest made a bid we knocked it back, at the end of the day every player has their price, Forrest never met it


JG

If wallace wants to stay he should not be forced out the door

@ ED not trying to be pedantic here but when you say what Rangers want is that Mr Wallace and the board without the manager? Or is that the board and the manager? Personally I cannot see Ally being too happy and normally you would say the board are the employers so it is their decision end of. Just saying that apart from on-line forums where it tends to be 50 - 50 on Ally. In Ibrox the vast majority are still behind Ally- it's just an interesting Dynamic for me- sell the player and the club survives or keep your best player and accept a squeaky bum time on finances until the end of the season -but we will soon find out the answer. I am not doubting you by the way!

{Ed039's Note - I would say the board would make the decision on the fee, doesnt matter anyway, Forest signed Danny Fox from Southampton on loan)