Rangers Banter Archive October 29 2014

29 Oct 2014 12:20:41
Here's a thought or two for the people who insist on boycotts. ashley already has security of edminston house & albion car park so this is how it will go fans continue to boycott no cash generated default on loans that's 2 assets he owns. he gives us another loan say against M. P fans continue to boycott no cash generated default on loans that's another asset he owns. he gives us another loan against clubs badge, emblems fans continue to boycott another asset gone then all you have left isthe crown jewel Ibrox. no fans no cash he then owns that fans still boycott he needs to get his cash back so he punts Ibrox M. P to housing or supermarket makes a fortune and still holds all the other assets so THE GLASGOW RANGERS would no longer exist, still want to boycott ?.
r. f

Suppose it depends on what's important to you. One thing you need to remember, there is a reason for Ashley doing this, and it isn't because he is a life long Rangers man. He wants to make money for Sports Direct, not Rangers and having Rangers playing in the SPL and Europe in whatever form gives him worldwide advertising free of charge, you couldn't buy it. So, he won't allow the club to go under BUT he will want it to pay it's own way which is what the cry has been since all this started. So, don't think your panic stations version of events will happen and ALSO they don't have to take another loan form Ashley, they can go where they want, he only owns 9%, he isn't the majority shareholder and when the other investors see him starting to flex they will close ranks. The way everyone is talking, he already has the keys to the blue room. not yet and thee is still plenty of time for King and his merry band of men to go and buy shares in the club using whatever means, same as the Celtic fans did to oust their old board, wasn't done by just Fergus, the shares had to be bought to leverage them out.

{Ed001's Note - what advertising will he get from European football? The advertising is all UEFA's.}

29 Oct 2014 13:15:00
@ allymac then you ask yourself are the people who own man city, man utd, liverpool, Chelsea all supporters no they are millionaire business men who see a chance to make more by having a successful team on the pitch.
r. f

Allmac,

unfortunately we cannot go where we want for loans. Ashley is the only one offering money at the moment, so the drip drip loss of our assets as r. f. describes is a distinct possibility.

It makes good business sense. Why buy out shareholders when you can loan the club money secured on assets, safe in the knowledge they cannot pay you back. boomf, you own the asset without paying much for it.

FFW two years, he owns the entire club, and is free to do what he wants with it.

I'd like to add that I don't think this is necessarily a bad thing. I'm fed up with a succession of "Rangers Men" who were rubbish at business.

Maybe it's time we need someone who is just good at making a business work, who isn't interested in the history of the club or being from a particular staunch background.

@4, you're missing the culture of Rangers, what it is do be a Rangers fan. It's about the history, the memories, the greats who played for the club. I agree business is business but for the fans it was never about the balance sheet and those who " got it " historically were Rangers men and they ran a tight ship. I don't believe outsiders will understand the mentality of what Rangers is.

R. f. a fair comment however I think the difference between the other owners is they have committed to the club and invested huge sums of money to make them successful. let's be honest these guys all want to be the best in Europe, and that will never happen at Rangers so the desire isn't going to be the same. Ashley has set a precedent with Newcastle hasn't he, cut costs, replace big earners, sell best players, minimal investment in relation to the amount they have coming in. if Ashley's desire was to be the best in Europe then he would have spent more at Newcastle to make them a consistent top6 team but the level of investment required for that is huge and he has no intention of doing that. The aim is to cut costs, make the club a viable concern, live within means and siphon profits back to the shareholders. NOW, as I said earlier he is not the majority shareholder so all this is conjecture at the moment, LLambias can't just go in and start cutting the place to bits, the other board members have the veto on that as well so other than the fact that he has loaned the club a few quid he hasn't really increased his power and Llambias is a decent appointment anyway. Also what you have to remember is the other shareholders won't allow Ashley to gain control of their assets quite as easily as you are portraying, don't forget they have millions invested in the club a swell and they will want a return for their investors. It is still a money game, too many fingers in the pie and until one of them makes a real move it will sit like this for a while yet, problem is what happens for next months payroll? Also they cannot do any more shares until they have published accounts and Deloitte won't sign off as the club currently isn't a going concern.

After a succession of Rangers Men who have completely stuff us, I think the Rangers 'mentality' isn't necessarily useful as a modern football club owner.

29 Oct 2014 15:59:39
As you say allymac "he replaced big earners" at Newcastle and maybe that's were we have/went wrong in the past so maybe he will come in and overhaul everything & come up with a sustainable wage structure leading to stability all round I just think the man should be givin a chance will he turn it around ? Who knows, will boycotts work ? I think will do more harm than good, do I have a better idea ? I wish I had let's just give him a chance it can't do any harm and if you don't like it then you can say we gave you a chance now we are going to.
r. f

MA is no sugar daddy like SDM or DK nor is he some cheap rip off spiv like CW or CG, he is a serious businessman who knows the value of a successful Rangers. He will invest securely and make Rangers profitable, if the fans support him he may respond in kind and if they don't support him, he will strip Rangers bare.

It is up to the fans, personally i would give him a chance, Rangers cannot continue to lose money and survive.

MA definitely deserves to be given the time to reveal what he is wanting to do. It won't be pouring millions and millions into RFC though. There is NO upside for him in that.

29 oct 2014 09:33:51
hi ed, just wanted to through this into the mix, has anybody thought that charles green has always been the front man for mike ashley ???

One thing seems clear to me, there has been some kind of a plan in place from day one with Whyte as the patsy. Green comes in, makes serious money and then hot foots it to France before anyone can question him! SDM only speaks out when his company is questioned. Let's make no mistake here, this whole situation has been orchastrated and planned from day one with too many people making serious money out of the situation

Also, is it possible that mike ashley is also behind margarita

29 Oct 2014 00:49:10
I wonder how many of the fans who did not attend tonight will be screaming for a semi final ticket if we happen to draw celtic what happens to your boycott then kings gone Ashley's here to stay support the team

29 Oct 2014 06:43:32
I've no doubt you have a point and there will be quite a few looking for tickets. However, I think many don't realise there are also differences of opinion in the people you refer to as 'boycott' fans. There are fans who are boycotting for change and if they get the change that they're happy with they'll want to return. Then there Are the others who are not boycotting they are simply done as for them the landscape has changed forever and what they once followed is now never going to be something they agree with. These are not boycotting fans and they won't be back. I honestly think you'll find that it may be easier than you think to get tickets for a game against Celtic. Granted. Not turn up and pay on the day standard but a lot easier than you may think. Don't be under the illusion that there is this mass group of 'boycotters' taking the huff on the say so of some half at$3d supporters group. Most are just staying away as a personal thing and not anything to do with supporters groups, Dave King etc.

29 Oct 2014 08:51:04
BAYBEAR :If we draw Celtic in semi-final, tickets will be VERY hard to come by.Agree with you about last nights attendance, 14 thousand is a poor showing for us but its been that way for a while,I see no mass boycotts on the say so of certain supporters groups,merely a freezing midweek game where the attendance would be a couple of thousand more if it wasn't on BBC.

Baybear do u actaully believe that celtic tickets would be hard to come by? Do you really believe that? Because to be honest mate that's nonsense. If dave kings takeover bid had went through and he had came out asking the fans to come back then every home game till the end of the season would be a sell out. And you say a lot of fans simply won't come back at all??? What are you basing that on? I haven't spoken to ONE fan who has said that to me

I have had my bellyful of boycotts. I was brought up a Rangers Football team supporter. I will now return as a man to support Rangers Football team. I am going back to get a season ticket. Mock and shout at me if you so wish but I have Royal Blue Blood in my veins and it will never drain away as long as I have breath in my body.

29 Oct 2014 10:22:56
Rossw01:I agree it would sell out twice over easy,but it wouldn't be for purely football reasons.It never has been for the football for most to be honest,but all that hatred and bile and whatever(the less savoury aspects) connected to the fixture will be displayed with a vengeance.

29 Oct 2014 18:10:29
@3 In defence of Baybear, he said tickets for any Celtic semi final would be quite EASY to get.

29 Oct 2014 19:26:14
GKK- I agree with most of your points. The poor turnout is not unusual for a Baltic midweek game in October and I don't think it has much to do with any boycott chat. I also agree with your point about the unsavoury aspects of a game against Celtic coming out with a vengeance. I do think that tickets will be marginally easier to come by than they once were although I suppose it's a moot point anyway.
Ross- I assume that was a typo and you meant 'wouldn't' not 'would'? If not then I agree.

Assuming the BAYBEAR in capitals is just a wee bit of persistent defiance. What about simply BAY? or are you folk determined that I remain a bear of some description ;0)

29 Oct 2014 21:16:00
OK mate BAY it shall be in future.I do feel your pain with this omnishambles our club has become,maybe kidding myself on but can't let go,surely you understand that?Saying that,I also respect your stance entirely.Cheers for feedback.

29 Oct 2014 23:55:37
Yeah GKK, I totally understand that. Each to their own. I will agree, disagree and just give an opinion. What I don't do is tell people not to go to games as it's feck all to do with me. I'm not part of any organised boycott I'm just going with my gut as are the thousands who still go to games. There's also the practical side that people sometimes forget such as justifying the money, time off work, family commitments or travel like sotonbear- play up Pompey ;0)
At the end of the day, football is no longer the working man's game that it once was. It costs a bl00dy fortune and for the average bloke with a home and a family it's becoming increasingly difficult to justify the cash outlay, especially when 9/10 the product on the park is dire. It's supposed to be a form of entertainment and at times it's like repeatedly buying overpriced cinema tickets for the same film that was rubbish the first time you watched it. Let's face it, loyal, part time or even just buying merchandise and paying for Sky; all football fans are helping the super rich get richer and there is barley a club out there who really cares about supporters. I've been enjoying watching local youth games recently with mates and a few beers after. It's simple football for the sake of enjoyment of the game, plus it's generally attack minded with boys looking to get that glory goal. Great stuff, just football for football's sake. No spivs, overpaid players that don't care, boycott chat or bigoted nonsense. Good luck to you though, for what it's worth I reckon Ashley is probably a safer option than King I'm just done with them aw.

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