Rangers Banter Archive April 02 2013

02 Apr 2013 23:18:21
See a poll of 7000 Scottish football fans have voted by a large majority that they want:

1) a top division of more than 12 teams.
2) no more than three divisions.

That seems to suggest that Green's 14-14-14 seems to be what the fans prefer. I have to say that with 42 teams that seems to be common sense.

The 14-14-14 appears to have not even been worthy of discussion, why?

If I was paranoid, could it be that because somebody from Rangers suggested it, it is ignored?

It's money. The second tier clubs will be earning around x7 of what they do at the moment.

Probably half the 7000 are gers fans.

Also 14 teams, just 28 games - unless there is a split. So OldFirm vs more diddy teams, not less. more pointless games. less spectacle less money.

deluded fans think this solution.

so you saying just because englishman says 14-14-14 is best we should all agreee?

TV companies don't want top four in spl playing each other less to play top four in div1.
Leagues of 20, 18, 16, 14 don't work in Scotland hardly any can survive promotion.

Op it's not worthy of discussion because it's stupid. play each other 4 times = 52 games @ 2. 14 teams playing each other twice is only 26 games. back to op, how would it work?. 52 is too many. can't play each other 3 times because who do you get twice at home and once away. so were stuck with 26 games and a split. is that an 8 and a six or two sevens ?. 2 * 7's would leave a team with no game every week. a 6 and 8 or 8 and 6 would give either the top or bottom split an extra 4 games. green suggested it because his mouth is faster than his brain. like I say it was ignored because it's stupid not because it was a rangers idea, but if you can explain how it would work i'll gladly read it and apologize if i'm wrong. shammy

Green using jabba to turn media against ex-players, current players, future players. all the time lowering costs towards 30% player salaries, 30% other running costs, 30% bonus for green&co

this is sooo short-term. No real player of quality will return or every join if thier reputation can be tranished just to knock money of a deal signed and agreed.

Green running gers into the ground.

ALERT: Am a Celtic fan. To many of the above. 14-14-14 is not a stupid idea as it does allow top teams to play each other 4 times and it does away with the stupid uneven number of home and away fixtures that have happened in the past with the current set-up.

Basically:

1) All clubs play each other twice = 26 games

2) Split into 7 & 7 and plays each other twice = 12 games

So you play 38 games with an even number of home and away games. Main downsides are the split is earlier and the in the last 14 weeks of the season 1 team will be rested each week. (Top team week 1 & 8, 2nd week 2 & 9 etc. I suggest).

Basically, I think it isn't a bad idea. To be honest I would do it and if Rangers jump to 2nd tier then who cares. Getting bored.

Can't believe I just sort of agreed with something CG said. Need a lie down!

Shuggy

4) op here, I believe 6) explains it perfectly. What is the problem with a week off?

We may not have the farce of teams playing eight games in fifteen days.

4) a 6 and an 8 would give them four extra games, really. Time you got back to your maths lessons when the schools go back. They could play them home and away, making an extra 10 games or 14 games, plus 26. At least we would then have a league where all teams play the same number of games, home and away, instead of the rubbish at present where one team plays 3 away games and one home. How can you have a league where some teams play more away games than home and vice versa. I expect an apology as you stated Shammy.

@8. I wrote @6. Don't get what you mean. I said 7-7 split. What do you mean? (I'm pretty good at maths normally) I knew agreeing with CG that I must be wrong. Lol

02 Apr 2013 21:09:25
Anybody else think Stuart Bannigan of Partick Thistle and Marc McNulty of Livingston would be worth a look? I know a lot of fans are still under the illusion that we can attract big names to the club, the truth is we can't and looking for good young Scottish talent from other SFL clubs would be te way forward! Jay Fulton and Kieran Duffie of Falkirk are also exciting young players as well!

02 Apr 2013 19:17:28
Anyone want to see big Archie Knox back?

This is getting ridiculous. Why the obsession with getting people who were there before?

Another of Walters proteges? your having a laugh!!

The manager in my local shop says he drove past Ibrox once, and to be honest if he could organise a defence like he can fruit and veg I would get him now, other than the time when he played a cashier at security guard his selections seem spot on too.

02 Apr 2013 19:01:50
reported Harper Mcleod the lawyer for the SPL is pursuing Rangers for £500,000 legal costs for a case that they did not win, administrative error was it called?
Now correct me if I'm wrong was this case not against the so called "oldco" and not the "newco" I keep hearing being referred to.

So come on who are we or is this a case of yet again "if the cap fits". PB

The spl won on all charges.
On the issue of title stripping, Nimmo-smith said no sporting advantage but the spl won on all legal regulation charges.

The action was against the holder of the spl titles. The football club. Not a company.

Eh, wasn't there a £250k fine, so not found innocent. agree that was against oldco, so unless SPL now including that fine and costs as football debt?

Newco agreed to pay all oldco football debts in return for licence

@2 noooo it was against the company did you not read the report
trueblue

Nimmo-smiths £250k is a fine for guilt.
The £500k is Nimmo-Smiths teams legal bill, which legally goes to the loser (RFC). The holder of the spl titles.

Surely when cg agreed to pay debt it would only be debt from when he took over they can't be held responsible

N4 this half million is not a football debt difrent thing altogether

@8 So what kind of debt is it?
Tam

N9 25000 fine was for addmin error some secretery typo mistake made in office not on a football pitch

02 Apr 2013 14:48:43
we all know the scouting at rangers is pants, and has badly needed an overhaul for many years. here's hoping they bring in some good scouts, and start getting our moneys worth. rather to continue wasting it on duds. have we learnt nothing all those millions wasted paying on foreign duds to get them out before there contracts ended. I hope the summer is used to really tighten everything up at rangers. including merchandising, p. r. scouting etc.

You were a bit unlucky to lose borh Ness and McCabe at the begining of the season

They need to find us a manager first, McCoist could knock the talent out of Messi in a week!

02 Apr 2013 12:30:11
The ASA have confirmed they are investigating Rangers over claims made in press and radio advertising. The claim centres around the new/old club standing. They have written to Rangers and are awaiting their reply.

Www.thedrum.com/news/2013/04/02/rangers-advertising-campaign-being-investigated-asa-confirms


Although every Rangers fan wants to believe we are the same club, I cannot imagine that the ASA can come to any other conclusion that we are now a new club and thefore breaking advertising law!

Who really cares what the ASA say. I'm a graphic designer and have to deal with the ASA on a regular basis to do with adverts, statements and USP's. If the european bodies maintain that Rangers are the same club then that is good enough for me.

Let the sad and lonely wearers of the hoops obsess and look for sanctification from any body that they wish. it really just shows them for what they truly are. Jealous of the accolades that Rangers have amassed. Winning the eurpopean cup doesn't seem to be high enough esteem for these hate filled little characters!

@2. old rangers were entitled to play in europe. the european bodies said that new the rangers couldn't. because you never met requirements. like all new clubs you didn't have three years audited accounts. sad, lonely, obsessed, jealous, hate filled, little. you went a wee bit over the top with the playground name calling there. when you say graphic designer, do you mean you have a box of crayons and a scribble pad. shammy

If you are a graphic designer you will understand how important it is to be accurate in an advertising framework. No European body has claimed anything, the ECA asked the SFA for clarification, this was given. But I thought the SFA were an inept group who needed cleaned out? If this goes wrong it could lead to a heavy fine, misleading advertising as a means to sell is treated seriously, as i'm sure you know given your job.

Thank goodness your not my graphic designer if you don't take notice of the ASA! Mind you Craig Whyte didn't take notice of the tax man and that was okay too? Get a grip.

@2) Its called a bitter rivalry mate. Its been going on for over a hundred years whether you believe its the same Rangers or not the club are from Glasgow and its the same support. And it works both ways. Rangers fans want nothing good to happen to Celtic and vice versa. Celtic fans celebrated like they had won the European cup again when Zenit beat Rangers in the Uefa cup final and Rangers acted exactly the same at full time in Seville. This ASA thing no matter how much you want to believe it is not Celtic, Peter Lawwell or anyone else's fault. Its David Murray, Craig Whyte and all the other d*cks who ran the club into the position of liquidation. Every Rangers fan knows in they're heart what is what no matter what the ASA tells them. All i'm saying is point the finger in the correct direction if your wanting to blame someone.

@2 well said, they will stop at nothing to try and damage our club and I class Hibs, Aberdeen, Dundee United in that bracket. I wonder if the purveyors of sporting integrity will be up in arms when a team that wins their division does not get promoted.
I very much doubt it. PB

The point being made is the ASA are not the overseers of football. They may be able to prosecute for that strap line alone but it's hardly misleading now is it. It is a boast at best, much the same way as Celtic broadcast in their media adverts. One Celtic. always Celtic! It's just testament to the sad point scoring depths scottish football has sunk to.

5. And what would you know about graphic design practices at all. The ASA are a regulatory body and seldom issue fines for anything. the only request made is for future advertising to be changed. Talk about what you know pal. obviously not much!

@7 pb. they all play in the spl you don't get promoted from there. so it happens to them every season. lol. shammy

@9. Really, that's your response? They "seldom" give fines. So they do give fines then? So your point"the only request" is completely negated. What a stupid reply to a factual post. I would bet you were a whyte supporter.

@7 can you tell me what league celtic are getting promoted to as you seem in the know

@7. rangers fc won 54 league titles and were not promoted once.

@7 At least you put your name to your post PB but tell me this why would anyone want to damage a NEW 3rd division team.
Tam

02 Apr 2013 11:55:09
Not a great fan of ally the manager as I've been at every home game this season (& its been bloody hard going most if not all of the time)
however most teams coming to Ibrox seem to have a system which works well, they can pass the ball, create chances and very rarely seemed outclassed. Every team has had one or two players which have caught the eye, which may well have been one off games, HOWEVER, apart from Wallace & possibly Templeton/Little- - I don't honestly think any of our first team would have got into many of these teams.
Which might say more about McCoist & Co, that they were able to tie up the league 20pts clear and 6 games to go.
Credit where its due this week & hope it gets better

Bill, its a good post, I believe maybe we don't fully understand how dificult it has been for rangers, allys won the league easily, and if he hadn't, god knows whmat would happen, so he deserves credit for that, but I think his problem is the poor performance of the experienced men he brought in,, they've been dreadful, but he got them through,, he will hopefully replace them now, ltho I would prefer a new management team I think ally will have another go at it, who knows, even fergie was sacked,, maybe we havnt fully grasped the seriousness of the situation, the league was all important, he got this team across the line,, just maybe he will improve us now, tommyblue

02 Apr 2013 00:06:40
Here's a question for my bear friends.
Would you be happier now if you didn't spend farcical money on duds, (consequently not haemorrhaging money )had got local boys in, they played their hearts out for the jersey but you lost a very close league?

Quite obviously NO, the winning of this division was seriously important, even critical, so many gers don't understand how much so, tommyblue

Right I'm going to whisper it, but I one hundred percent agree with Tommy lol. Winning the league was absolutely imperative.

Gaz