Rangers Banter Archive December 02 2014

 

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02 Dec 2014 21:15:48
To Boycott or Not to Boycott,

That is the question!

Fellow fans what should we do?

I think EVERY rangers fan is sick to death on what is happening at OUR great club, some do something about it some moan and groan some do nothing.

Let's look at who runs our club, the sleasdales, Ashley, the trust funds, green and probably shyte they all have one thing in common!

Not one of them IS or HAS been a rangers supporter the only thing that interests them is CASH MONEY
If we continue to keep propping the regime up with our CASH they will continue to take, take, take.
How do we stop this rot?

I personally have refused to spend any of my money while this bunch of " great stadium robbers" are in control of our club, a small thing but a personal decision I hope escaletes and goes some way to preventing this mob from profiting anymore.

If we do nothing and I mean continue to support the team buy merchandise, a pie tickets and maybe a pint ( in bar 72) then NOTHING will change.

Please don't think I want the club to go into admin2 or worse liquidation again, nothing is further from my thoughts I just want to get OUR club back to where it rightfully belongs.

We must try and get back control of our club.
these guys are professional and they think they are due something for buying shares etc, there is some merit in this for some of the initial investors but Chico has ripped. The piss and now it's a free for all I think the only way is join one of the schemes and try and get proper ownership through the purchase of shares.

Just my personal opinion and having been a supporter for more than 28 years I can't see any other way?

SUGGESTIONS FELLOW BEARS

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I posted earlier about boycotts mike ahley now being involved with men on the board say what u like he has made newcastle into a viable buisness neither him or sports direct will do anything at ibrox that will tarnish their reputation he has put cash in when it was needed twice bought shares and h at least he has a repputation d king repute is not exactly the stuff choir boys are made off if u want to take over the club join rangers first and make a donation every month they operate openly and fairly putting everything to a vote but as far as boycotts go its the time to end them all and give ashley a chance because he would not think twice over walking away if the boycotts get worse and starve the club of any more funds think hard we may not have many choices or chances left

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02 Dec 2014 22:42:17
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Put money in no he has loaned us money which is secured. When he could have put money at the share issue he did not he did buy shares from another share holder so Rangers would not get his money that we required urgently. He did this so we needed his LOAN

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02 Dec 2014 22:58:35
does ashley merit a chance we have gave to many chances to people and look were that has got us we need to see action from ashley I agree he will run us at a profit but rite now he is taking the micky out us loans us 3 million then similar amount in the retail contract can not be touched board should explain this but yet once again they refuse to answer questions same will happen at agm do not expect any answers

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Do u think there is a huge clue to lend us money get real he has at least he has bought shares king hasn't he only wants to takeover with other bears money by pulling the strings of the u o f

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Posts are saying let's starve the club of finances through the boycott and force the Board out but let's not go into administration or worse still, liquidation.

I wonder how many of these hold business degrees or own businesses because that's the only likely outcome. You don't have to love Ashley but in my opinion he's done nothing wrong, conducted his business affairs as you'd expect from someone who's amassed his own billion quid. He's now being mentioned by some here in the same breath as Whyte and Green and I think some have lost sight of who they actually hate and want out.

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@4): Ashley is no savior. He has loaned £3 million against two major assets to claub which has stated that it needs an injection of £8 million to see it through to the end of the season.
I can't remember the terms of the loan, but repayment in 6 months rings a bell. Some time early next year he is going to be looking for the money back. If he doesn't get it he has two very desireable properties to do with as he sees fit. Sell them, rent them back to the club? Who knows, but one thing is clear, Ashley will be rubbing his hands in glee at the thought of more money coming his way.

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02 Dec 2014 19:16:38
How deluded have the uof become? A spokesman is now claiming that their embarassing attempt at a protest in Sports Direct shops caused the naming rights of Ibrox to be withdrawn. A total joke, but he was serious, and now we are to stop buying all merchandise because the return is not good enough. Please tell me when buying a ticket for a game enables you to dictate policy? I cannot believe that they are still getting 'air time', but the one consolation is that they will not get their way. I, for one, will go to games, if I so desire, and my grandkids will get their Rangers tops, from Santa, as promised.

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That's it mate feed the Sharks pal go ahead Rangers are not getting a penny its people like you that's hurting the club for the good

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Ssb, I take it that you are a major shareholder and, if so, then you may have a point. If your a supporter, then support or otherwise and don't try to influence individuals with your crap. The people that are hurting our club are sos, rst and whoever else speak for us. [ my ass. ]

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Southside bear that's crap dave shouts jump the u o f shout how high they do represent the majority I said I would not go back because of macoist but changed my mind because the club needs the cash and as I do every xmas I will buy the grand kids away strip as they got first strip in the summer irenewed there tickets in the summer but not my own but the time has come to pull together if u want change donate to rangers first rather than go along with the pied piper king and the u o f because they will finnish the club forever

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Don't say m talking crap son If I ran my business the way Rangers was getting run then God a would be homeless

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@4 you ARE talking crap, Rangers fans go and support Rangers it's what we do, we have had posters saying that they hope we lose the next four or five games, posters saying that you don't have to go to the games to be a supporter well who would you chose to support your business us or them? The boycoters are winning and do you see a single spiv running for the hills, tail between his legs? The money is in the assets and they get closer to their goal with each passing week no fan group has asked my opinion on anything and no newspaper either and if they did I would tell them that I will go to every game that I can because I love going and I love Rangers and if I want a new top I will go and buy one!

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@billyb - Do you have no concept of how a business is run? There is only 1 goal, make money buy selling a commodity or service. To make a statement such as 'only share holders make policy' is appalling and my 5 year old daughter understands the basic rules of supply and damand better than you! No fans, no money, no business, simples! Lastly, I'm at a lose to why there is no conflict of interest with Ashley having a controlling stake in both Rangers and Sports direct as the contacts appear to be favourable to one and not the other, personally that's the route I'd be going down to remove him from power!

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To 6, I must have been hell of a lucky then, having run a successful business for many years and then sold it, giving my family a comfortable life.
Where I totally agree with you is the ''controlling stake'' comment. There is no doubt he pulls the strings at Ibrox.

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@5): ". you don't have to go to the games to be a supporter. "
I assume you are referring to a comment I made.
Lets forget about the world wide fans base. Based on average league attendances this season (I'll miss out the cup games as that makes the situation worse) the club is no bigger than; Fenerbahçe, Shakhtar Donets'k and slightly bigger than Brighton & Hove Albion.
Is that a fair representation?

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Jaf. yes it was me who said I hoped we lost the next 4/5 games. the result on Sunday is exactly the reason I said it. the hysteria after the game was well over the top. its a bit like tough love. that's the only way we are going to get rid of mccoist and the other two. until mccoist is removed I will no longer attend matches. simple as that. so the quicker he is sacked then I can have some sort of respect for the board and end my boycott

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03 Dec 2014 16:07:09
Attendances don't decide how big your club is!shaktar are super rich we are super poor right now!would be nice to have there owner

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@8 who would you rather have as a supporter, 50000 who pack Ibrox every second week or 250000 who sit at home talking about it? And anyone who uses the OED to define a supporter has lost the plot! @9 you'll be sorely missed I'm sure, a " fan " who wants us knocked out of the Scottish cup to get his way is no real loss.

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@11) My original response was to a post saying people who don't attend shouldn't be called supporters with the comment look up the word supporter. So I did (I like to have facts before I make comments). What do you use to define a supporter? You can't make claims about being the biggest club in the world and then only call people who go to games as supporters.
Out of interest, when exactly was the last time 50000 packed Ibrox anyway?

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02 Dec 2014 17:20:34
Hi fellow bears am getting really angry every time someone new comes in there's always links to Craig whyte or Charles green why can't the Bears who go to the games don't wake up and smell the coffee we are all being taking for mugs we want an end to all this heartache and grief starve the spivs out only way we will get our Glasgow Rangers back

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02 Dec 2014 17:58:36
OK mate suppose nobody goes to the games,we starve them out.In your opinion what will happen after that?I keep hearing this starve them out.
Do you want admin again.?Liquidation?
I'm just asking the question.I not thrilled myself the way things are,but I want to read what you want after we starve them out.

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If there is much more starving the club of cash there will be no club they made money out merchandising the starve them out brigade are now playing a very dangerous game all being organised by king who still suffers from short arms and deep pockets need I say more

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If they see us no going to the games they will have no option but to leave with there tails between there legs am telling you they won't invest a penny they are all relaying on our hard earned cash to live off they need to be starved out am not a fan of king tbh but we need someone like jim Mccoll or Brian Kennedy in now Asap we are sitting pointing the finger at different people we are not United on this there's all different opinions by for the love of God and our Glasgow Rangers please let's get our club back and vote with our feet and voices but don't put any money into Rangers as the people who are running it aren't doing us any favours either so I urge fellow bears to boycott the games and don't buy any stuff from sports direct we are getting nothing in return

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02 Dec 2014 19:42:31
we are not all organized by king we all have our own views if we were to starve them of cash then they would need to come to the table and discuss things with the fans and show how they plan to move forward its clear ashley is looking after himself say we get the 8 million share issue to see us threw to end season then what if we get promoted we will have players needing contract renewed signing on fees ect for this then we need sign players for transfer fees to compete in league we need new scouting network ibrox needs upgrading were is all that money going come from because we blow 8million of share issue by end of season ashley is only loaning us our on money because we should really have merchandise deal in house not lining sum else pocket

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02 Dec 2014 20:17:35
To be honest a don't think not going to sports direct is going to make a difference to mike Ashley he has stores all over the uk making him a mint so find that stance pointless am still waitin to see what Ashley has done wrong so far am not backin him or anythin just wondering everyone has am opinion what his intentions are but do we really know??the man never says anything to the public or press so only time will tell!and again king don't say much either to clarify his intentions

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OP: This is the thing pal, I'm all for changing this set up we have right now it obviously can't go on, somethings got to give. I thought by not renewing my season ticket the matchday money has to cover the players wages, they don't get their lump sum and I get to watch my team. I want something constructive other than starve them out, you commited yourself, I don't know, maybe you left the house after you posted. I want to know what YOU want when they are starved out. An idea, contingency plan what?

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It's a joke how can you back someone who doesn't say anything to me if someone had the best interests of Rangers at heart they would come out and talk and speak up no one has said boo so your better getting a pair of ear muffs and a blind fold for Xmas and going about your business like the shady people that's running out club into the ground the spivs are winning turning us against each other

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OP: The ed is running a bit late tonight I think. So you want to starve them out and pray McColl or Kennedy step in?
That's all I wanted to know, is what you want to happen.

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{Ed039's Note - Whats that supposed to mean?)

02 Dec 2014 21:46:50
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When we need money at last share issue Ashley did not put any money in instead bought nearly 1 Million in shares from another source, Instead of helping rangers with the cash he helped himself and left Rangers in a worse position. He also threaten the board when he thought he might not get his way with the loan to put him in control.
He can not increase his direct holding as still owns Newcastle so why not come out and tells us his plan (other that make as much as poss out of us).

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Well there's only one way that's gonney happen if we stop filling these persona pockets then yes mccoll or Kennedy will come in don't doubt it for a min they just don't want to give any these crooks money why should they a think personally they have had a enough

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Ed I was waiting on SSBs answer to my first post and then the two came through at the same time. I genuinely thought you were otherwise engaged, no offence intended.

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{Ed039's Note - No offence taken, just wondered what it meant, I have been editing all night)

And a fine job too.

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To ALL above ---- I am no spring chicken ( and methinks a few of you are in the same category as myself) but to get our club back again to people like ourselves --- true blue, dyed in the wool, big bears ---- I personally would be willing to go through, once again, all we have suffered in the past few years to rid ourselves of the muck which now has permeated the very fabric of our club.
We need to be cleansed of the bile emanating from those now sitting at the top table ----- NOW.

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02 Dec 2014 02:49:00
SDM sells the club to CW for a pound.
CW f**ks it all up and the club goes into admin (CW appoints the administrators)
So JJB deal gave the club 4.8 million pounds a year.
Ashley deal gives 580,000 pounds a year.
Green buys the club and gives that deal to Ashley including naming rights.
Green did not make the biggest offer (of course the large group of supporters he forced the yank to step back were astute businessmen and knew the Green deal was better) but got the club.

Now, eventually, the police see that maybe, just maybe, there was something amiss and perhaps not quite legal in all of this. ?
What a sad state of affairs we have now. Every other club in the country is talking of team news, players in and out, cup runs and what is discussed at this club?
Bail-outs, boycotts, arrests, police investigations, corruption, stock-cutting, take-overs, redundancies. Merry Blo&*y Christmas right enough. I'm off to support Third Lanark!

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Well said Wee Man

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