Rangers Banter Archive July 02 2012

02 Jul 2012 21:54:24
Hi Ed and posters.I have a few points to say so let me know what you guys think.

Firstly that some of the fans have been getting on the players backs for wanting to leave. I dont blame most of them for leaving however. Most of them played well and gave everything while with us and when they signed for rangers they signed not just for the money but also to play in the spl, play in old firm games and also maybe in europe. So the fact that they are now being forced to play in the 3rd division on a lesser wage, I dont blame them for walking away. Some of them Im glad to see go like Whittaker as he was one of the highest paid and I honestly dont know why. If my boss said I was having to take a 75% wage cut and I knew someone else was willing to hire me, would I stay?! I dont think so.

My second point is that some of the fans have been saying how guys like Lee McCuluch are Rangers men because they are staying. I agree that Lee bleeds Rangers but the only reason that some of the players are staying is the fact that no other team really wants them and not the fact that they are being loyal.
My last point is that I feel that we need to get behind Charles Green. Fans are having a go at him and asking him to sell up, but I feel that we should just be glad that he is willing to put his own money into our club and is trying his best to sort us out. I feel if we dont all get behind him as long as he is doing things right, then we will destroy ourselves from the inside.

Just a few points guys, let me know what your thoughts are. Tully

This is the most sence I've read on here for months.Great post

02 Jul 2012 21:42:59
http://blogs.dailyrecord.co.uk/jimtraynor/2012/07/if-spl-sfl-kick-gers-out-of-fo.html

don't normaly agree with jim traynor but good article

Guys a complete kn*b, a gutter scum journalist, doing his best to rattle up support for sevco 5 088. , but it's doing opposite, making more dislike sevco, more he writes, the bigger the hole

Ska bhoy

Yes only because its pro rangers /newco
no other reason.

Is SDM still vetting his work. And does he get brown envelopes?

@2 there was me thinking the article was a plea to save scottish football as well, before it delivers a killer blow to itself

JG

02 Jul 2012 20:07:51
everybody talks about greedy rangers cheating rangers . the SFA, were happy to take evil rangers money for years , as were the SPL ,where do all you haters think money comes from? must just be the innocent clubs , GIVE ME A BREAK ,money talks and always will ,any club in the SPL could be looked into tomorrow and be found guilty of the same thing and you all know it , FAULTY TURNSTYLES ,? do you really think toilet rolls cost hundreds of thousands a year? maybe it was trophy polish , its about time you idiots took a good look at yourselves , coz you could be next . i am a rangers fan and i never stole from anyone. thank you and goodnight...

You also must be a nutcase.How do you know how much clubs spend on loo roll and trophy polish? Get an early night i think you need it.

Sorry have I missed something? I thought the money was stolen from not paying the tax that was due. {Ed039's Note - Stolen is not the right word to use)

There's 276 creditors who think their money was stolen.

Hi Ed taking money out of some ones pay packet for PAYE and using it for something else is pretty close to theft in my book

02 Jul 2012 19:46:18
Charles Green claims Rangers manager Ally McCoist will be given funds to strengthen this summer and says those who have left the club were driven by money.

As chief executive of the newco at Ibrox, Green is attempting to bring stability back to the Old Firm giants.

He has, however, seen a number of players refuse to transfer their contracts to the newco and supporters contest the arrival of his consortium in Glasgow.

Green intends to see the job out, though, and is adamant that Gers boss McCoist will be backed in the transfer market.

02 Jul 2012 19:36:40
see tbh? i think we should just take our punishment and go down to the 3rd div, then 3 year time we will have a good experienced young squad that will wont a shot at europe and we might even have some money by then to build on the team:)? Watp

Mate, i posted something very similar a few days ago. Bring it on. Thats what i say. Rtid.

Is there no end to your arrogance?Ever heard of one step at a time?Let's get into a division(any division)and see how we do.Talk about Europe is stupid---we all need dreams but that's a step too far at the moment.

02 Jul 2012 18:04:21
malcolm murray refuses to meet brown after agreeing to meet him,maybe they something to hide ?

Why should the chairman of Rangers be ordered to produce documents to a loud mouth former low level employee? If he had done it, he would've been the weakest chairman ever at Ibrox. Losing all respect.

02 Jul 2012 17:26:20
I doubt Charles Green showed John Brown the title deeds to MP and Ibrox, so guess Brown has to come good with his threat to reveal what was said or else Brown is just all gas.

Has brown not said he will release a statement within 24/48 hours

hail hail

Marco1888 {Ed039's Note - When his hangover subsides)

And if Green did show the title deeds then Ibrox has the weakest owner ever to step over the threshold. Who is brown, but a disgruntled former employee at a very low level.

Drunks cannot keep dignity or secrets. He knows nowt!

02 Jul 2012 17:24:40
RANGERS newco could be facing potential cash flow problems after one of Scotland's biggest banks refused to back financing plans.

Reports claimed that the Royal Bank of Scotland refused to underwrite a £2.6million overdraft which would have paid out season ticket money to new owner Charles Green's Sevco before direct debits were recouped from fans. evening times

He should try Lloyds, they're always good for a loan. Or what about Ticketus. If he's really stuck theirs this guy soon ma pub .....

Shug

There will be an administration on Thursday.

The money's in the land. {Ed039's Note - What are you talking about?)

This cannot be. Green has twenty million pounds of investments from 20 investors begging him to take their money. He told that himself

Green for a wee bed in ward 1 wishaw, psych ward, guys a Walter Mitty

Ska bhoy

Is that two war chests of £10m each? Or one war chest of £20m?

02 Jul 2012 16:53:46
The high jacking of every Internet site continues by the rangers haters they wil stop at nothing .the amount of hate I have read in nearly every newspaper makes me quite sick .they all talk of integrity these people have none .we all know who is responsible for the mess at our club and they should be taken to task not the fans and most of all the people who earn a living from the club.

Supporters of other clubs wanting Rangers to go to Div 3 is not hatred. It is supporters seeking the correct outcome to the current situation.

Mac2.

The fans are inextricably linked with the club. It is impossible to punish or impose sanctions on Sevco without affecting the fans. No one has ever suggested that the fans are responsible for the mess that "Rangers" are in.
Liah Smit

Division 3 would be okay but it seems to me that some fans want us obliterated and we are supposed to just accept this?

Why should a new owner be liable for the old one's misdemeanours?
P.O.B.

To stop people like craig whyte performing the Good old switcheroo.

02 Jul 2012 15:45:30
Some false accounting allegations about to emerge.
Don't think this can make matters any worse than they already are, mind you.

Criminal charges for those involved if true resulting in custodial sentances.

Mac2.

Well given that false accounting carries a jail sentence it could make things a lot worse than they are at present for some people.

Great news at last!
DMurray, MIH and their accountants deserve all that's coming to them.
P.O.B.

02 Jul 2012 15:23:40
Hearing some crazy figures about as many as 50 Scottish clubs threatened with administration. SFL 3 could be a very busy place!

Would that be 50 out of the 42 clubs.

That is crazy.

Mac2. {Ed039's Note - Lol, maybe junior clubs included in this figure)

Nobody can threaten a club with administration. This is just nonsense.
The clubs themselves are responsible of whether they enter administration, not the SFA/SPL/SFL.
So all this talk of "threatening " clubs with administration is fabrication!

TTG

Ive heard that there are 3 school teams in the 50 lol

02 Jul 2012 15:55:29
I like how Celtic fans come on here claiming Rangers cheated their way to the title in a vein attempt to justify their paranoia over the last few decades. Rangers still won on the park; do you really think EBT's spurned them on to win games; I don't think so. Rangers have paid ridiculous wages to numerous foreign has beens and it didn't improve their performance. Get it right; the club intentionally evaded tax they didn't cheat on the field. Referring to them as cheats just doesn't hold water.

I can't believe the authorities have wasted so much time; Rangers should go to the 3rd Division like any other club would. As for them trying to change the setup it is a clear manouvre to safeguard other clubs; but I'm sure in the end most clubs will find a way of managing their finances without Rangers gate money etc. And let's be honest there are a lot of fans out there who won't renew their season tickets if playing in a lower division; however I would be delighted if the blues fans proved me wrong!

Oh yes all the false audits rangers put into sfa over the years is not cheating wake up and start accepting your club was cheating {Ed039's Note - Where is the false audits?)

Do you really think that EBTS spurred them on to win games?NO.....do you really think that EBTS spurred them on to actually sign for Rangers?Oh yes.....could rangers actually afford these players wages without using EBTS?No a chance.

Of course it makes a diff the players were getting paid with ebts and had duel contracts witch breaks sfa and uafa rules so players were not eligible 2 play so wake up your club was cheating simples

Every club gets into debt buying players borrowing money including top english clubs but they have more money in their game sdm borrowed and got out quick ..its the ebts that we need to answer for if proven

Dealing outwith the rules and beyond our means to an extent that the arse fell out of our club surely gave us an unfair advantage so lets be honest , we wont lose our titles but they have got a point

02 Jul 2012 13:35:47
bears, reading your page , still the same old , kicking us when we are down, let them rot without us, let them all go bust.. old rangers 1872 got one punishment 10 point deduction for going into admin, and the big one , history frozen for being liquidated, further punishment { for 1872} could be stipping of trophies won. now forget miller, ng, the blue knights or whoever , lets just talk about mr. mccoll because he is a man of real wealth, a billionaire. he could have saved you , pay all the debt and stay as you were. or at least put a sensible amount into the cva pot. even if the total debt was as reported by duff and duffer £135m he would have been paying what it is valued at ie ibrox,murray park, albion, and the player values.. but he didn't want to do that, he waited til mr. greene did all the dirty work and now wants you on the cheap.. newco have not been punished in any way and nor can they be , they have done nothing wrong. but no other newco has ever started anywhere other than the third division. do any of you honestly think it would be fair to allow newco { debt free} with a huge investment from mr. mccoll or even your good selves via a share issue , to play against teams that are servicing debts , and to celtic thats £2m a year for the next four years .. . i read you guys posts quite a lot and i''''''d say that the majority want to start in the third, and rightly so. but get it into your heads , that is not a punishment , it is simply the rules .shamrock

Dont you understand they are not punishments they are results of your own actions they are rules that are there to try to keep clubs in line with the law

Well thanks for enlightening us all to what we were already aware of Shamrock!
Speaking for myself i don't need to........ " get it into my head". There are no rules regarding this unprecedented scenario,so therefore logic dictates there can be no punishment. Outwith the penalties that have already been meted out.
So what is the point of your post,and why are you appealing for an argument against something that is all too bloody obvious?
Technically there is no difference between a shamrock and a clover,although a popular misconception is that the clover has four leaves.
You appear to have a leaf missing as well.
P.O.B.

No, I don't think it would be fair at all and yes, I think we should start over in Div 3. Mind you , if what HK is reporting is correct, we could very easily be joined by another 20 clubs. Question for you, that 2mil a year your talking about, is that not giving you an unfair advantage over the other clubs in the SPL who aren't in a position to carry such a dept ? I'm joking of course but it will be interesting to see what rules are put in place in the name of sporting integrity. If they are as serious as they make out, would it not make sense to create a dept ceiling for every club in order to allow smaller clubs to be and remain compeditive . The 2 mil you mention that Celtic service may not fit the guidlines created. Now , I'm sensible enough to know that Celtic at present, could certainly dominate Scottish fitba by operating with no dept at all but what about Europe ? IMHO, the question Celtic supporters have to ask themselves is if any, new, fairer rules to deal with dept actually do come to pass....will you embrace them and accept the fact that Europe will be all about qualifying rounds from now till the cows come home ??

To be fair the other clubs demand fairness i dont think they are getting at the rangers fans its the way our club was run

02 Jul 2012 13:13:18
Posted by Ron Scott in "The Sunday Post".....

"The way the Scottish football authorities have allowed the Rangers scenario to unravel is nothing short of disgraceful.

The whole sorry episode should have been nipped in the bud.

Instead we're now in the situation where it's not just the survival of Rangers that's at stake, but the Scottish game itself.

As the fans and clubs become hysterical about how the Light Blues should be punished, it's worth remembering the Ibrox club has done nothing unlawful.

Employment Benefit Trusts are legal. That's why HMRC wants to close this particular loophole.
Informed sources suggest, at worst, Rangers will receive fine, and there appears no danger of having to pay back-tax on the system Sir David Murray implemented.

The SFA then decided to impose severe sanctions on Rangers after awakening to the fact that Craig Whyte was not a fit and proper person to own the club.

Yet the independent Ibrox board set up to look into Whyte while he was still negotiating with Murray decided themselves that [he] wasn't fit and proper to own the club.
They told the SFA that at least fifteen months ago, but the powers-that-be decided in their wisdom to take no action at that time.

Now the situation is like a runaway train full of explosives that's about to be derailed and blow up the whole of Scottish football.

Let's face the obvious here. Not even Celtic will be able to sustain their present level for long without Rangers.
So if they end up having to make cuts, how is the rest of Scottish football going to survive?

There are already whispers that other SPL clubs will be forced into administration.
There is even talk of part-time football at the highest level, never mind the First Division.

It's all very well to bleat on about sporting integrity. But why risk the entire future of Scottish football especially when the facts clearly show Rangers have done nothing wrong !
At the end of the day, the main villan of the piece remains Whyte, with Murray a close second.

It's totally wrong to run the risk of losing Rangers altogether and sending down the entire game with them.
It is especially wrong when the facts show there is absolutely no need for the authoeities to treat Rangers the way they appear hell-bent on doing."

Just want to see what people on here think of what he has to say.

The problem with this, is he,as usual with the Scottish press,is working to a different agenda than the fans.He is correct in one thing though,the whole sorry episode should have been nipped in the bud.The rangers scenario,as he puts it,is they are being liquidated.As such they should lose their SPL place and apply to the SFL for a league position in the third division.No one is hysterical about punishing rangers,you cant as they wont exist in a few weeks,and sevco cant be punished as they have done nothing wrong.As for losing rangers altogether,too late,it has already happened.Rangers as we knew them will be defunct in a couple of weeks,It,s time these reporters understood this instead of fuelling the fires of denial.

Nonsense. Drama queen stuff.
I'll informed guff.
A better read was the article in the Scotsman about shoehorning Rangers into SFL1.

This was not from The Sunday Post - there are no 'michty me's', a complete absenced of 'crivvens' and I failed to spot either a 'jings' or a 'help ma boab'. Please only post real Sunday Post stories Ed. {Ed039's Note - I never have or never will read the Sunday post so I don't know if it's real or not)

@1 give us a break You have not read the tim posts on this page for months, continual and repetitive.
'fuelling the fires of denial'. The man is clearly referring to the Rangers brand be it old co or new co. What is the proper name for Celtic? Celtic F.C. or Celtic Football Club Public Limited Company? You dont hear that being sung in many of your songs. You dont see it listed as that in the football coupons along with all the other clubs or see the abbreviation of CFCFCPLC. You dont go to watch your favourite PLC football match you go to support your team, a football team.
The man is clearly refering to the Rangers brand as is by the way the SPL, SFA and SFL hence the reason they appear to be trying to get the newco into a higher placed league for early return to the SPL for numerous reasons. They know the potential for the newco and they want it, may even need it, but they want Rangers back up there.

So your the guy that reads the Sunday Post. Thouht about signing Fat Bob for centre half.

If its in the Sunday Post then it must be on the nail! A shugglywan.

Poster 3 here.......why sign Fat Boab when 'the big house must stay open ' guy is playing for us.

02 Jul 2012 13:11:18
Former Celtic chairman Brian Quinn has been appointed to the new UEFA group which will decide on whether clubs comply with the governing body�s licensing and financial fair play regulations.


A former deputy governor of the Bank of England, Quinn, 75, was chairman of Celtic from 2000 to 2007. He is to become a member of the Investigatory Chamber of the UEFA Club Financial Control Body (CFCB).

Quinn�s initial appointment is until June 2015, which means that he would be unlikely to be involved in judging any future application by Rangers to be allowed to return to European football as the club�s liquidation debars them for three years.

Source: Scotsman.
Celtic have had a deputy chairman of the bank of England and latterly Lord John Reid, former government minister of state as chairmen of Celtic. Is that quality of leadership ultimately the difference Rangers never had?

You are winding us up stating John Reid as some kind of Paragon of virtue, behave.

@OP having a laugh, you obviously dont know John Reid.

02 Jul 2012 12:02:49
Can I ask all you disgruntled and bitter bears out there, would you be caring about the welfare of Scottish football if this was not happening to you? And were you caring about 1 sided leagues when you were outspending everyone and buying top quality international players? VEGIEBHOY

The epl wasn't as strong in the 90s, demand for Scottish football is at a all time low and doesn't need 1 sided leagues, plus Celtic are a very average side to the rangers 1 in the 90s.

OP Nobody was caring about the welfare of Scottish football until this happened. Your name says it all mate.

It's already looking great for the SPL, Jon Daly saying in the paper it will be exciting just to see who is going to get second place! Cant't wait myself!!!!!

The MSM have had the pr spin on overdrive that scotland need this newco& how our domestic game will be in turmoil,they all seem to forget it was the defunct club RFC that has caused this turmoil& all small buisnesses who have went bust& large creditors have been brushed off& forgotten about..The season starts on 4th august(for spl teams)& the 11th august for sfl teams,so i hope the sfa,spl,sfa sort this sorry scenario out asap& let the newco entity know where they stand!

What ever happened to "No-one likes us, we don't care" ?
Bit embarrasing wandering about with the paper cup out now isn't it ?

Yes i do care about scottish football, and did not the rest of scottish football benefit, by selling more tickets to come and see the big name stars coming to their grounds

Veggy,

And would you be interested if it was st johnstone?

Why don't you come up with something
original instead of something that was said ages ago you narrow minded fool

Big difference there though,
1- everybody else would cope without the diddy teams anyway
2- we forced yous all into signing a better quality of player, the likes of di canio, larsson etc etc etc wouldnt have been at your team if it wasnt for us

Hypothetical and pointless questions there Vegiebhoy because it is happening to Rangers. If it was not my team I would be disgruntled by any other team creating this mess and causing upset to Scottish football, BUT it is happening to the team I support. Let me ask a quick question, why are you commenting here? I find it very interesting that some Celtic fans are even on here commenting on a Rangers website, however I'm sure it is welcomed banter! To state though there is no point asking what IF scenarios cause this is the situation and it's in real time. And to answer your other question, did I care about "one sided league when you were outspending...etc". Of course I cared that we were getting top quality players in and winning trophies. I thought SDM had the money to fund his project! Forgive me for thinking a multi-millionaire had the money to bankroll these top players. If what you're asking is if I knew SDM's reckless overspending would ultimately lead to my team's downfall, would I be happy to go along with it. Then I ask you, do you really need an answer to that! Even I thought 12m was crazy spending, but I was duped into thinking Rangers had the money. Sorry!!

Response to 10. Great post and imho, one that speaks for all true Rangers supporters. None of us would have tolerated cheating had we known

Sorry (3). It will also be interesting to see who the first casualty is. Without being as smug as you that's an event which I'm certainly not looking forward to

02 Jul 2012 08:56:27
Solution to Old Firm match finances:

Often stated that Scottish Football needs Rangers in the SPL because of the money brought in by Old Firm derbies. Now it looks like Rangers are going to SFL - possibly SFL3 - there is still one way these derbies can happen. Celtic must also go into the SFL!

Aye Celtic will give champions league for division 3, get real, what planet you from? P.S. I'm a rangers fan worried for the sanity of some fellow fans.

No they dont and i for one will not agree to playing them in any sort of make shift cup to accomidate sky...mark.

01 Jul 2012 23:52:05
Why is it the the players are able to use employment law and therefore exercise their right to walk away and sign for another club it's all peachy , and when gers go to court to overturn a unlawful decision in the usage of SPL rules they are castigated for not going through the proper channels

Because on the first, Rangers are probably wrong. And on the second they are also probably wrong. It's not personal.