Rangers Banter Archive June 02 2012

02 Jun 2012 22:24:08
How does the EBT tax case get to 70 to 80 million just checked out the figures paid out which adds up to about 30 million if top rate of tax was 40% this only comes to 12 million in tax or am I missing something

Am the same the standin bill was 24 mill so how come as yesterday the bill is 78 mill broxibear

Aye the great un-washed aren't very good at sums and the red tops don't sell papers if they don't out exaggerate the competitors, they say it could be add on fines,what I find more annoying is the time it is taking to reach a decision, which by itself would Lead you to think what ever way it goes an appeal is on the cards,HMRC have the money and time , Rangers don't,w which takes me onto another point, you don't have many people de-crying the tax-man for going to court and spending millions on cases that they lose, which some-one should find out the win ratio in these cases

These figures being thrown about are nothing but speculation. Until we've actually been found guilty of being in breech of tax law, and there's no cert of that, I'd really appreciate it if the Green Brigade would just shut it. You're proving yourselves the be the wee naffs you really are. Typical of you to point enough fingers hoping that if you do it often enough it'll become the percieved reality. It's got Reid written all over it

No,2--- maybe nobody de-cries the taxman regarding going to court as win lose or draw joe public wants to see action being taken against tax defrauders and as tax paying punters are the ones footing the bills to take these dodgers to court it is pleasing to see these dodgers being brought to account...however as Rangers FC are a non tax paying institute ( this year) and a frequent manipulator of tax avoidance (past decade) I dont see why you are concerned regarding how HMRC spends the tax it receives from honest working people on......PaulG

@ no 4, HMRC does not spent the money generated by income tax, the money is used by the government to pay off the interest on the money borrowed from the bank of England. This is called a central banking system. This system goes right back to king williams days. The bank of england is controlled by private familys.

Are hmrc allowed to take a football team thru the courts system ( fifa/uefa etc)
;-) ;-) ;-)
bil72

The figure beimg high is due to interest an fines for not paying it


TB

When will it sink in.... it is well documented that Rangers were found Guilty in 2008 by the taxman of tax evasion to the tune of £24m and in fact Rangers FC accepted this however did not / unable to pay this bill..3 years later taxman once again came calling only this time had imposed non payment penalties and interest in the region of £50m and this is what Rangers are appealing against....regardless of the outcome £24m is owed and becomes due immediately the result is known because if HMRC lose the case and appeal all monies become payable to HMRC until outcome of any appeal..however if HMRC win then £24m + penalties and interest ( decdided by tribunal) are then due ....please give your take on this ed....JohnnyG

8) that is not the case at all. Rangers were sent a bill for £24m, they are contesting that bill. If rangers win it does not mean that they automatically face £25m. If they win there is no £25m. From what my accountants are saying they think the bill is likely to be £10 - £20m.
Incidentally it is ridiculous that the original £25m can rise to £80m with interest as it is hardly Rangers fault that this has dragged on for years and is now five months since the hearing and still no word. In delays not caused by us I think this level of interest and penalties is ridiculous.
There should be some cap when a bill is under review.

02 Jun 2012 21:45:51
ED039, well done on your Camelot
bet, did your 5/1 bet pay out as I think
distance was given as 5l and yours was
over 5l...
I had Astrology on at 9/1 Friday put on
£50 each way and got over £150 back
Timalloy
PS is the racing section updated on
a daily basis as I never saw any tips
for today? {Ed039's Note - I honestly dont know how busy that site is mate, it did pay out the bet was actually 5l and over, I was a wee bit worried myself but the money was there so happy days all round)

02 Jun 2012 19:21:50
Guys, let´s stop going on about transfers and all that. There´s a bigger situation to worry about and that should not be at the forefront of our minds

02 Jun 2012 17:12:57
Irrespective of what the SFA do, FIFA will impose a 3 year ban on Rangers playing in Europe, backed by UEFA, this is for breaking their rules and regulation about taking their association to court.
Rangers broke the rules, end of and have no defence on this.
Duff and Phelps and Keen clueless

What about Hearts, another member club of the SFA, in 2003 when the Hearts manager won an Interim Interdict against....against the SFA!

Am i missing something here ??????if D&P didnt know what they were doing why didnt someone within ipox keep them right as Sally always says he talks to them and he is kept up to date . so he must have known . bunch of chancers the lot of them

The only comment that this post needs is----- we have human rights courts etc. so please tell me what law covers FIFA in dictating what individuals or clubs should do in questioning a ruling made by their local association. They are within the law and not above it.

02 Jun 2012 15:04:06
My dear fellow Bears, surely it is now time to cast off the unfortunate adage 'we are the people' ?
Our recent past demonstrates that we are clearly not the people. It is divisive. It states we are elevated above all others, that we are better than all others. It is not politically correct nor polite.
It is provocative and disliked. It has no place in inclusive 21st century UK. It is anathema to Traditional Scottish culture. A man's a man for awe that!

This is a huge turning point in the existence of Rangers. All institutions need to change to survive the ages. Rangers clearly didnt change enough. We need to change considerably, this much is apparent and true.
Corporate governance, finance and integrity but also how we view ourselves and how the outside world views us. The latter is paramount today and we should work hard on it.We need to improve our domestic ANC international reputation.

WATP does not mean we are above anybody. Those who hear it interpret to mean that because it suits their cause, because they do not know nor understand the meaning. Which I am afraid to say do you.

1# Enlighten us..please

?? but clearly we ARE the people. I don't get your point caller. We may not be the only people. but that doesn't stop it being true.

OP Get a life what a waste of two minutes that was writing that post. You have gone PC mad

bye the way

we are the people :)

JG

We should have been listening to Graham speirs for the last 15 years instead of listening to David Murray.

02 Jun 2012 16:33:15
we are SCOTTISH. we are in the SCOTTISH premier league. the blue square wouldnt even take us so get the idea of goin to england and working our way up out of your little heads. rangers are in dire need of help. and thats even before financial help. if fifa are getting involved then theres somethinh wrong, very wrong. im a bear till the day i die but lets be honest guys, nobody rally wants to help us. money doesnt seem to be the thing we need right now, its a great team of lawyers. murray done us, and white followed route. if we get through this then i will be happy just to have a team i call 'mine' again.

But if we don't get through this I'm going to switch to follow Motherwell. That may sound disloyal - and it is - but no point in sitting at home on a weekend feeling miserable forever is there? I'll have a few weeks of mourning and complaining but then I'll be donning the yellow and claret scarf.

Motherwell play in claret and amber

02 Jun 2012 12:05:49
Hi to all Rangers fans and Eds, Everton fan here. I just want to wish you guys all the best for the future! Supporting a club with finance problems is never easy (granted ours aren't as bad as yours) but hope you come out of it a better club. I have heard rumours that we are after Naismith for around £2m, is this right does anyone know? Whats he like as a player? I seen him a few times on youtube and he does look good but i know that youtube can be diceiving! I was hoping that some of the Ibrox faithful could fill me in.

Everton Al.

You don't need to worry he won't be moving to Everton he's a Ger thru and thru

1# Your gonna look awful stupid when he moves mate.His agent has been hawking him for two months in england

Maybe if the everton fan knew everything that has been going on he wouldnt have the same opinion!!

Re .. everton Al.
naismith is an excellent player,lots of energy and can score goals,hopefully he will recovery fully from his latest knee injury and if fully fit im sure he would do a great job for you guys....just like jelavic

ian

@1 just because he is a 'gers man' doesn't mean he wouldn't jump ship to a better league and a bigger pay packet, the trouble your club are in if everton did come in he would go but I think january is more realistic given he is recovering from a second cruciate

OP - do you post this once a week?

02 Jun 2012 02:47:54
Forget about Rangers for a moment, because your thoughts on what happens depends largely on who you support. That's the truth of it.

I want to question the whole system, it is unbelievable that the governing body, the SFA have no written rules in place to deal with administration.

There have been several clubs in this situation, I can think of Airdrie, Livingston, Dundee, Motherwell.
Not one of them have received the same punishment as another. If I remember correctly Airdrie went newco and got hammered ( don't know if that is correct, its getting late)
Liv got demoted, Dundee got 25 points, Motherwell got bugger all.

Why are we in a situation where there are not clear rules in place, it just seems to be making up rules as and when it happens. You know if there were clear rules and say for example it was div three, then everybody knows what they face, if it's ten points deduction then it should be ten points, not twenty five or nothing.

As a Rangers fan I would happily accept div three but it seems to me that the SPL want us in whether a newco or CVA. Would it be the same if it was st mirren for example (no disrespect to St Mirren just an example.

It seems to me the SPL still don't get it, they announced in midweek that every case dealt with on it's own merits. I think if I was a killie fan or st mirren fan that that means if it is a smaller club that may not have the financial clout that Rangers bring to the game, that they may be demoted.

It's a bit like the fit person test, when they admit they don't have such a test? It just seems the easiest thing in the world to write a rule book and stick to the rules in that book.

The court case which is causing so many issues, and I am not arguing whether we deserved more or less but the simple point is that the rule book did not have this sanction included in it. Why? And if it didn't then how can that be the punishment.

The SPL are the same, they don't have rules about newcos or cvas, why?

As a Rangers fan , who wants his club to survive and flourish, I feel that the authorities are making rules as they go along but I have no doubt fans of other clubs feel differently, I cannot be bothered arguing the point any longer because you won't change people's mind, but is it too much to expect that rules are in place. If there was a rule book that said in admin there is a ten point deduction, that has been changed I believe to ten points or a third of last seasons points. But these rules cannot be changed when a club is in that situation.

When this case is resolved then is the time to make the rules crystal clear so that everybody from Rangers to East Stirling knows the rules and that those rules are the same for all. The unknown factor does nothing but harm, whatever the outcome some will be happy, some will be disgusted. If there are clear rules, and all clubs sign up to those rules then surely that is better than this farce.

I think the SFA and SPL need to do their job properly, if they are the authorities who write the rule book then let's have a clear rule book.

The SFA didn't have rules to punish what Rangers did because they probably never envisaged that type and amount of disrepute case ever occuring in Scotland. Whose fault is it that it did? The SFA's?

Therefore, when it did, what were they meant to do? Hand out punishments for offences they did think might happen (which might have resulted in Rangers being kicked out) or try to set a precedent by coming up with something they felt fitted the crime?

The bottom line is that if Rangers hadn't brought the game into disrepute to this extent, the SFA wouldn't have been put in this position. It's all very well blaming the SFA for 'not knowing their rules' but this isn't the case: they did know the rules and tried to adapt them to fit an unprecedented case. Rangers didn't like this and we all know what happened so it looks like this week's 'victory' could be a phyrric one.

1903

As far as each case being dealt with on its own merits; the SPL clubs themselves voted that in. St Mirren (to use your example) would have been well aware that they may be treated differently to bigger clubs in the same situation. I'm in agreement that each club should be treated equally.
Al

1903 - the world is a financial mess, there have been several clubs that have gone into admin, there has even been a newco, so surely what rangers have done (admin or newco) this surely should have been thought about. These are all things that have happened before, I think the authorities should be prepared for every event. I work under the control of FSA and know exactly what happens if I go into admin, why SFA different?

1903 I know you will correct me if I'm wrong, were Rangers not charged under some section ie rule 35f and the punishments in that section whilst some have been mentioned ie banned from cup or expulsion, the actual sentence handed down was not in there, thank fook they did away with capital punishment, well I can think of one or two that I would make exception for