Rangers Banter Archive August 30 2013

30 Aug 2013 22:30:15
Dear Fellow protestors

10376 on SCRIBD
1000 or nearly on the site the EDs do not let you mention a cheek in my book Plus thousands that are spreading the flyer on line.

I beg you now as the most important vote at an EGM in our long and continuing history PLEASE continue to unite.

IF my information turns out to be wrong and these charlatans win the EGM we have to take up the fight on behalf of the decent people that are struggling to save us on a business level.

Mr Malcolm Murray Sacked and Silenced.
Mr Walter Smith sacked effectively and silenced.
Mr Jim McColl moving behind the scenes to save us.
Mr David King moving behind the scenes to save us.
Mr Paul Murray warned us and trying with above men to save us.
Mr Alistair Johnstone he warned us, passed file on CW to SDM and then authorites trying to save us.
Mr Keiron Prior a man who started, for me to really ask the questions about the disgraceful wage structure and financial mismanagement this 'Board' has been the creators and perpetrators of.

IF as I pray does not happen and these grave robbers win then I will be pulling out all the stops I can to instigate an avalanche of protest in person and on the net.
I will endevor to list the emails of MPs and SOCA officers plus Fraud Squad and the Press.
If 50000 of us can lift our spirits to come out and support Rangers FC in its hour of need when deposited RIGHTFULLY in the 4th tier of Scottish Football then if you can all mail these people the POSTS I HAVE PUT ON HERE AND SCRIBD plus Craig's site. they cannot ignore us.

I will post on SCRIBD so they are published plus plans for peaceful protest in THOUSANDS not just an easy to ignore '10'. Please follow these posts IF we lose the EGM vote I will come up every weekend to lead with Craig and others that LOVE Rangers Football Club until they are chased from Glasgow back to where ever they came from be it Sheffield, Monaco wherever we we be there to chase them as Rangers Fans are EVERYWHERE. RTID SoS. george

George

All the best. I hope we all understand the real power lies with the fans. Catch 22. Support the team or starve the robber barons?

It's simple as that.

You say Mr Murray and Mr Smith were sacked and silenced. The reason for their silence is an interesting question, were they paid to remain silent? If so they are hardly Rangers men are they? And if not why have they not spoken out and laid the facts out for the fans?

31 Aug 2013 21:43:55
@2 Good question. You should post that one up every day. Might make a few pennys drop about the extent of the stitch up.

@2 Simple contractual binding agreement that if employment ceases with RFC then you are bound to silence and cannot reveal ANY information that would be detrimental to your former employers, these types of contract are common in many industries and especially in ones where there are lots of underhand dealings. Rangers is being run by a bunch of Professional Asset Striping Crooks so they do not want anyone that has been on board telling the facts. RTID. george

30 Aug 2013 20:52:04
I notice that Mather states that EDMINSTON house may be demolished and then rebuilt?

Can he clarify why? And also how much will this cost our already meagre income!

Will he confirm the real reason this might happen! As previously mentioned on here.

ASBESTOS!

Will he put any possible work out to public tender!

Will he get rid of Stockbridge and his quango and ensure they do not have any connection to any work planned in the future (if Mather is still here)

When will Stockbridge confirm how much has been spent on contractors and consultants?

Will Mather and Stockbridge hand back the bonus they took for winning the league last year?

When will the club start and move these "insider traders" from the club after all they have fulfilled there needs!

Will Mather check and see how many people really don't like him and his bull.

The names are getting released on the "insider traders" on and how they have been involved in the "great stadium robbery"

Stockbridge will be the number one up for discussion!

RR

I heard he is building a Bomb Shelter to hide in with the rest of the 'persons' on the board when Rangers Fans take back the Club from these 'f*****g persons with allies Mr McColl and King, I hope they read posts on here and other places we are spreading to weekly, and realise that the true loyal Rangers Support (the people that used to be there till the END of every home game. mind the 4-1 Motherwell game and John Brown scores goal of the season plus Ally in his Rangers days too, bothin last 6 mins I personally loved when they 'hame early miss the traffic mate' brigade missed great goals. The Tide Is Turning Bears. the only reason they doing all the press and DEEDS show all of a sudden their time ifs runnng out . george

Sometimes posts ramble on and cover old ground. Repetition does not make things happen quicker and as far as asbestos is concerned the most difficult way to control removal is to demolish a building.
billyb

@2 that is my point Billyb that even more costs will be incurred when this should have been a simple upgrade to the new shop and museum! Until they found the dreaded ASBESTOS and then the company that was slung the work didn't know what to do about it all of a sudden Mather tells us it might come down at a vast cost and probably another PREFERRED contractor! As for the repetition it is my belief that we must keep up the pressure and tell "the people" what is really happening right now! So not really trying to make thing go any quicker just keeping the facts alive.

Ok for starters mate, I agree with a lot of the stuff you post but, you do know that any building built before 1992 will probably contain asbestos, in 1985 the UK banned the import of blue asbestos (crocidolite) and brown asbestos (amosite) then in 1992 it finally banned white asbestos (chrysotile ). It's found in all sorts of stuff from roof sheeting, pipe lagging, gutters, right down to toilet seats and irons, the list is exhaustive. Asbestos is not a problem until it is disturbed and removed by the proper procedures, it's only when it is broken smashed drilled etc that the fibres become airborne and become a health hazard, if removed by the proper procedures such as wetting it down when removing it doesn't cause problems. When it is removed it just ends up in landfill anyway. Any works that happen on a site being upgraded or demolished will be tested, holes knocked in walls floors lifted etc and there will be an asbestos register for that building. So anyone who is doing any sort of work would know what they are facing and have budgeted for its removal and disposal. It's not a huge insurmountable problem that everyone makes it out to be.
I do agree with you that we have been taken for a ride by lots of people who don't care for Rangers and that we need to know who holds the deeds and who owns what. Someone needs to tell us the truth about all the shady companies set up in the background creaming cash from us, they are robbing us mate. They might as well mug us on the Paisley Road West for our wallets, at least that way we will know we have been robbed for sure.
I just think we have to forget all the unimportant stuff and concentrate on the money/ assets mate. Follow the money and we will get our answers. How we follow the money I don't know, I will leave that to someone who knows better about the shady world of finance and how companies operate. Surely there's a trustworthy bear that knows about this.
And also mate Stockbridge and Rangers can't be involved with a quango, a quango is an organisation that is funded by the government, that works independently of that government a sort of arms length organisation.
Seriously though well done mate on keeping on asking these questions, I just hope for all our sanity you manage to get some clarity on all these questions before its all to late and these scummy spivs kill our club for good.

@4 hi Billyb thanks for your comments and thanks for the lesson on quango's I did actually know what it meant but I liked the sound of the word and thought it was appropriate! And you are quite right about the money and keeping track of it, hence the the continual reminders about contractors and consultants, if you get a chance you will see some of my previous posts naming and shaming these very companies and individuals who have removed vast sums from our club! But listen billy let's not be downbeat and keep the truth in the media platforms available especially FB because that is the KEY to exposing this "great stadium robbery" and the individuals involved, so thanks for the info on ASBESTOS (very informative) and let's all stick together and get our club back.

RR

30 Aug 2013 15:04:53
So is this dday to get a date for the EGM, please hurray, we need these thieves out now, do not give them any more time. And where is BDO, I hope we go into administration to get shot of all these toe rags, from green to easdale one crook to an another

Administration is a 27 point deduction.

Person!!!

Who are you?

Why would you want your club to go into administration!

Tosser!

Matt Crozier

PS - I really get peed off by these so called supporters wishing the worst on our great club.

We have had enough put upon us without simpletons wishing more grief! FFS!

You all seem to think admin is the answer to your problems but it wasn't last time and it wouldn't necessarily be this time Green and co could appoint their own administrator prob D&P They could and prob would give preferred bidder status to Whyte/Green cronies and the merry go round begins again.

Rangobango

Matt every fan allowed an opinion an just because they don't agree with you don't go abusing them people like you that slag others just for a difference in opinion make me sick


KJA

@4 good call! Well said!

@1. Better to do league1 again than put up with this board. It's that simple. A clean Ibrox at any cost.

@4 and @5 I've not met a single Rangers man who wants us to go back into admin! Its not about differences of opinion more about telling enemies of our club what they are.

@6 so your quite happy for more people to lose money? It was bad enough going into admin once but to want it again is ludicrous. There is also no guarantee things would get better

@1. Why would it be a 27 point deduction, you are a new club with a new registration. Now before you all burst a blood vessel I am not saying you have no history etc etc Rangers then Rangers now is my opinion as a Celtic fan. However that being said the newco had to apply to join Scottish Football with a new registration therefore the previous admin/liquidation is surely irrelevant as you paid the price at that time with all the sh** that went on. The real irony here is that we may have Gers fans arguing for the higher penalty and Celtic fans arguing for the lower penalty all to appease the pathetic did they or didn't they argument. I so hope an insolvency practitioner can come on and clarify this.

Exactly num (4) Mr Crozier appears to be one of our support who only like listening to?. themsleves.
His way or no way. it seems.
Please try to understand Matt, everyone is allowed to have an opinion and not be hounded by people like you.
Why would you need to know "who they are"? worrying term of phrase, from a form of bully.

Apparently its 27 points because the registration was transfered from old rangers to new rangers and isn't classed as a first admin/insolvency event though the irony of the situation would be the humour involved in both sets of fans and teams arguing the opposite of what they believe celtic saying same old team rangers saying we are not the same team (suppose that bit would depend on how many points ahead if and when it happened)

Rangobango

30 Aug 2013 14:03:56
I read Mather in today's Evening Times saying club will not go bust and senior wage earners will be taking a cut.
I will only believe that last bit when it is written in black and white and cannot be altered.
But if ALL the top earners do take some pay cut or defer bonuses, it is NOT out of loyalty to club or some altruistic motive, it is because YOU the fans have SHAMED them into doing this.
So to all the "Georges" on here keep up the pressure because the fans are now having their say. Timalloy

Well last time around the supposed paycut was nothing more than a deferrment and they were repaid at a later date eg Ally through his free shares.

Okay I have listened to my new friends and I am holding back on the 2nd 10000 flyers (against my instincts) but 2 things I will say one of the things on the 2nd flyer was the simple facts of money brought in and money they have spirited away through massive wage/bonus structureand 100% bonusesplus contractor monies to be seemn in the accounts, IF they appear, based on my figuers prepared by an accountantwe are missing £32MILLION pounds since 2 x Season sales and share issue, HOWEVER giving them the benefit of using their confessed figures of £22MILLION in 7 months that works out at £105000 being lost A DAY, (my figuers show it is nearer £222000 A DAY).
So if any bears out there are convinced by the stalling tactics then please look at these numbers whichever way your trust lies with the Board or our saviours I hope Mr McColl and King. the incentive to drag this out is there at £105000 A DAY.
Secondly let me put the DEEDS ownership in context, I did confirm on my recent posts and flyer information from my man inside that he 100% said the DEEDS are in RANGERS FC name. However as the Board can do as they wish until voted out, there could be a floating charge over them or a legal contract switching to another company owned say by Mr Green and Mr Stockbridge THEY HAVE ENOUGH OF THEM if you care to check with companies house.
To simplify this I can show my kids that I own my house and my car, however if the little toe rags (joking kids) think they will end up with them no chance I will borrow 100% against the house through Equity Finance = House SO NOT an asset and my car I will either transfer the V5 log book to my fiance or just sell it in the next few weeks before my kids force an EGM to force Emancipation (kids divorce me in law) through and dump me as a parent.

Bears and fellow protestors this is what CAN happen, I knew the DEEDS were IN RFC name as told a week ago I also know it could mean nothing. BEWARE. RFFR SOS and Action not Apathy. george

1st pay cut should be allys wage, the wage he's on is a disgrace.

Mather is saying players etc going to take a pay cut? why if we are not in any problem money wise? Ally going to take pay cut. why according to him no one has stated in anyway that the club is in trouble,, in fact he still wishes to keep buying players?
This nonsense has to stop, will the September signings not be allowed to come now then? due to the need for balancing the books? or is this a signed deal? because if it is? then must be the strangest contracts ever written up in football. Start your official carrear with us? but unfortunatly we are having to ask you to take pay cut? God that's a great signing on inducement? What the heck have we became? this is a complete and utter mockery of our clubs name. if its like that now what's the future really going to be for us? renting our ground back from "robbers"?paying through the nose for security etc? renting training ground, owing nothing but the players contracts? what a complete shambles. come on Mr Mcoist let's see you out there now! like last year shouting for honesty and integrity from others ie names etc. why are you not doing the same now before the whole lot collapses? because if it all does, your one of the main culprits this time. and lots people will be very annoyed.

George, the point you are making is the most crucial of all our problems. It is imperative that we find out if there are any secured monies tied up against the property and land we 'own' and my gut feeling is that murray and ellis are lurking in the wings. Audited accounts are critical to clarify this.
I applaud what yourself and others are doing but I still hope that Dave King takes the reins of our beloved club.
billyb

I have read Mathers statement in the herald and quite frankly it is full of holes and this guy should get the next academy award for best supporting executive! There is still no clarity on the missing £22M there is still no absolute proof that RIFC own our assets with no second charges on any of the properties.

When will he (Mather) stand up and be counted along with the Kay twins and get rid of Stockbridge and the rest of the "insider traders" and also the consultants and sub contractors who are bleeding the club dry? This message will continue to be aired and I will be using as well to spread "THE TRUTH" they will all fall on there swords and guess what Mather this has been done on your watch and you have allowed Stockbridge and Angus, Morgan and the few "insider traders" you have sourced to carry out your "great stadium robbery"

SONS OF STRUTH TELL THE TRUTH

RR

I'm told Dave King still has plenty of tax problems in South Africa and is going to have to pay out a fortune.

Can anybody confirm is this is true?

George go and speak to the Vanguard Bears.

Dave King's tax situation is being resolved and he puts his money where his mouth is.
billyb

30 Aug 2013 09:45:42
HELP! Fellow bears uefa recommend close
transfer window on 2nd September as 31st
Aug falls on a sat but the sfa in there
wisdom say they will close at midnight on the
31 st. surely this now means as our embargo
ends at midnight we cannot register our
new signings. thoughts
billy h

No that is not the case. Our signings are all free transfers therefore they can be registered after the 31st, hence why we are signing free trasnfer and not payings fee's.

Boy blue

Maybe Craig mather and co already knew this? Make it look we are active in transfer market to sell books then try blaming the sfa for not being able to register the players.

And your point is?

They will register them on monday or when ever as they are all free agents!

Funny how every other transfer window scotland closes acer England but the 1 time rangers have a transfer embargo they want to close early, if they stop rangers registering these players its embarrassing and a shambles.

Cheers blue boy hope
your right
billy h

An unattached player can be sign up until november the something. Have none of u ever played football manager before :P

As the first reply has stated this does not effect Rangers registering players, we could wait until next week and still be able to register them because they were/are free agents, stop the panic.

@6 lol some of us old ones don`t even know what football manager is, but I know there`s a guy at ibrox trying to play it right now, he thinks because you get £40mill transfer budget in the game you can spend it on real players in real life. someone should shove his joystick where the sun don`t shine.