Rangers Banter Archive November 30 2013

 

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30 Nov 2013 18:41:21
Thought I would point something out today that after reading it made me consider my opinion regarding current board and the AGM requisitioners.

Jim McColl whom I have always supported with his proposals to replace the current board, said two specific things that for me sum up the biggest problem for the majority of Rangers fans.

Firstly while being questioned on his lack of investment in Rangers through shares he states;
""I have built my business, it has been a lot of hard work and I don't want to see that go.
"I am not going to upset my investors and say I am investing in a football club. "

But then on the future of Rangers with regards to in particular 2 of the current boards' appointments he then says;
"Colin Kingsnorth is a switched-on guy. He thinks this is a good investment, which I agree with.
"It is a very good investment to invest in Rangers. They will build up, they won't slip back again. "

How can he or PM and friends expect ANY rangers fan to respect them and trust them with this attitude and frankly double standard stance?

I am and always will be against the way previous boards including the last of the worst offenders Stockbridge, but I am also at a loss as to why a group of supposedly Rangers Fans that are extremely wealthy should baulk at buying up as many shares as they can afford? Firstly it would show a loyalty gesture to the masses of Rangers fans like me angry, confused and deluded by the goings on at boardroom level in the last 2 years. Secondly it would strengthen their position voting wise.

The arguement that it is lining the pockets of Green and co has run its course and was never in my mind that strong a case for not trying to seize control of our club.

Plus no matter how much people believe Duff and Phelps would only consider Green's offer they did not exactly give them much of a problem selection wise with their offer that"amounted" to £11m (why the f**k not just offer £11m ACTUAL cash).

Had they put in a decent offer they back then it was not lining Green's pockets and they would have recouped ALL their money with the share issue far less the fact seasons brought in £20m

This small minded penny pinching attitude has for me put massive doubts as to how much they actually do care about Rangers or are they just the same as all business men in it for how much they can earn? The offer of no salary/bonuses if elected is too little too late for me.

I would also like to say I do not like reading stories claiming victory before the AGM which translates in McColl speak to mean they feel getting some board members changed is a victory?
A victory is buying shares and winning the AGM vote which I feel is exactly what the Easdales have done.

Even the appointments they have made seem to be highly thought of in business and footballing circles, McColl/Murray included.

Are there any other Bears out there that feel the same way?

Happy we are still winning on pitch

george

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{Ed039's Note - eventually something we agree on absolutely 100% George)

@ OP agreed these rich Ranger's "fans" don't care as much as the pay at the gate or season ticket fans. Apart from their money they have probably got a better perspective on life than the rest of us on here who probably obsess about our club too much. But hey you are who you are. A fool and his money are soon parted and many of us on here would not be billionaires for long like Mr McColl but Rangers would never have been bought by Shyte if we had McColl's money

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30 Nov 2013 23:12:37
Pretty much agree with all that George.

I'm sure Jim McColl pretty much knew what Green and Ahmad's plans were from day 1 and he allowed them to take control when he could have made a offer that Duff and Phelps couldn't have refused and been known forever as the saviour of the team he supports.

He wouldn't even have missed the money. And another thing, why didn't someone like him or Paul Murray warn fans about buying shares in RIFC? As I pointed out myself at the time on here they were always a dodgy investment - unless like Ally & his spiv pals you bought them for a 1p a go.

Why was it alright for fans many of whom scrimped and saved to buy them just before Christmas but they won't put their hands into their own pockets to save the club?

At this moment in time I'm a very disappointed Bear.

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Op I think jm and people like myself are angree that guys like cg guys that didn't even know what ibrox was the same guys that had to use sat nav to find ibrox bought shares for a penny and now try to sell them at going rate they are conmen if jmc had got shares for a penny them shares would have never been sold kept in rangers family for ever

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Tmwnn Mate I am not having a dig at you honestly. Its just that term that a lot of football people use "family". Sorry but if I turn up at my families door short of money I would be helped out. Turn up at a football ground short of money and your shown the door. While I am on about words I wish we would get back to caller the players
" The Bears". Sorry for moaning.

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George
how long do you think stockbridge will hang about after his shares can be sold? will he wait for the big payout

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George - I can't disagree with you on this, think I have consistently said that green was the only option to keep us going back then, when d&p made him the nominated bidder that could have been challenged by the other groups who were threatening to buy the club back then, it never was,
green and co were only ever there to make money, they have made it with their original investment being returned, their year of crazy salaries and bonuses and the sale of their shares, it's water under the bridge, now we depend upon the shareholders choosing a board that can move us on from here

Naz

I bought shares in the ipo and encouraged bears to buy them as well I also bought more when the price came down, I still have my shares so what have I been robbed out of, if we can get the club run properly I expect my shares to go back up in value

JG

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Now you are talking George. I have never doubted Mr Muir's credentials but he does not have the desire necessary to make us successful again. You are correct about the investment and that is why I would never back the Murray's.
Green and co. ripped us off, but they kept us alive and gave us a platform. All the investigations and protests will not get that cash back but we do have the platform so hopefully we can build on that to take us back to the top.
By all means we must air our grievances about the football and I am sure the men in place will sort out the finances. [ They have no option. ]
I am sure costs will be cut and Ally wings will be clipped. As for Stockbridge, the new chairman and CEO will sort that out.
Hopefully, we can move forward as a unit, yes we will disagree, but if we stick together we will again be the mighty Glasgow Rangers.
billyb

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Stockbridge is the main player in all of this game, hence why he is still there.
Whoever is pulling his strings, are the ones who we should be finding out about, because their the ones who are taking the money.
Green and co are the puppets getting a payday ie Easdales too. from these people??

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Les I personally detest Stockbridge he seems a total creep, what he did to Malcolm Murray was pathetic and business wise he is a total crook in my opinion. It was afte rall him that has been caught trying to transfer £300k for "services provided" when none were in fact provided, just a money disappearing exercise. My thoughts are he has been a major player in removing the multi millions from Rangers over the period he has been in our boardroom. The sooner he leaves the better, I feel the Easdales will want this to happen as he is the last clear target for the protestors and should they actually turn this round, by chance a miracle happens, they need persons like him gone to help with their own image/cause.

Personally I am so tired of boardroom s***e I am close to not caring who is in the boardroom as long as they can keep Admin at bay and fund a quality squad WHEN we reach the SPFL.

Stockbridge will be long gone by then. I hope.

george

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01 Dec 2013 21:27:51
#JG Financially the shares were obviously set at a over-valued price. The FT and the Telegraph both advised investors not to buy. Saying that some people did make a quick profit in the first month or so.

I had no wish myself to subsidise spivs so didn't buy any myself despite Ally travelling the country to publicise the IPO and telling us he was investing as a fan, i. e given them for a penny a go.

Despite the negativity I do hope the price of the shares rise again.

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George. keep the faith.

mccoll cannot put his investors money into rfc as its too risky, his job is to find safe risks to invest.

but he has links to others with funds who will invest in football clubs.

nothing sinister, just mccols investors won't allow football investments.

stockbridge is the kingpin from zues. who warned by fsa for shafting tooo many investors. and fear he done same to more real rfc fans

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@11 why does he not put some of his own money in then?

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N11 I think that we will always believe the unknown people currently running rangers will always be treated as being part of a crooked team milking our club for every penny they can if they have nothing to hide why don't they allow one of jim mccolls financial advisers in to have a look at the books I will always think they are crooks until proven otherwise

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Good post George, the business models of Rangers and Celtic are at best high risk under normal circumstances, given the special conditions facing Rangers, it was a mug punt.
Any Rangers potential buyer knew it would cost 20 million or so to downsize Rangers and bankroll it back into the SPL. If this was not bad enough, everyone assumed a liquidated Rangers would mean the death of club and history, and they did not know the effect this would have on turnover. Now one can maybe call these men, " of little faith " but how many season tickets do you think would be bought for a brand new Rangers starting in div 3 with an affordable but s***ty team?
If the fans deserted by 25% Rangers would be back in administration within months, the scale of Rangers and their fixed overheads need a big turnover.

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30 Nov 2013 17:14:44
Will the person who threw the flare on the pitch at todays game. please stop following Rangers. you are a total pillock. you are a selfish child, you shame the club, I hope you get caught and punished. that is all.

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Well said OP 100% agree we will survive without clowns like him and their mindless actions.

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30 Nov 2013 16:48:07
Hopefully we pay for the damage to the pitch from the flare today. Track the culprit down and charge and fine them accordingly. Took gers 2-0 @ 9/1 at half time.

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Good shout Gaz.

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Gaz, if you won your bet, why not give winnings towards pitch repair, nice gesture from you.

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{Ed039's Note - Why if he didn't do it?)

Id rather the loser who caused the damage was reprimanded and forced by a coudt of law to pay for damages.

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N2 why should gaz pay fine he had nothing to do with flare why don't you pay for damage to pitch yourself if you feel so strongly about it

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Sense of humour failure all round. Sigh, never mind. Some clown threw it though, get him tae.

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30 Nov 2013 16:42:40
As I've said many times on here I'm firmly behind our manager ally mccoist and always will be at least until we are back in the big time and then and only then will I judge him in what he does to challenge celtic but I can't understand why ally doesn't start the best winger we have at rangers david templeton, in my opinion temps should be starting every week because he gives the team balance & width and with one piece of magic can win a game on his own, what do other 'gers fans think regarding temps?BIG BOYDY9!

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Templeton is undoubtedly the best winger currently at Ibrox and gives the team another option going forward. , another win today but. Peralta is being played out of position.
Do we play Templeton wide left, Macleod on the right with Peralta dropping to the bench.
We look better offensively with both Templeton, and Aird.
Another win is the most important factor.

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30 Nov 2013 13:39:36
59 mins gone of cr. p, Sad state of affairs when a full back is our best attacker.

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Can anyone tell me what Peralta brings to the side please?

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Decent passer of the ball and has a bit of bite and work rate also. Better than anyone we have developed over the last 5 years. Well Idone Rangers good victory tonight WATP

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Nothing at right wing anyway, the guy is a holding midfielder. Would Celtic play scott brown at right midfield? Doubt it.

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@2 his passing has been very poor and he gives the ball away more often than not also you talk about bite well quite a few times he has been substituted as he was in danger of being sent off. As for work rate well that should be a minimum requirement for any professional. Having said that I agree with 3 he isn't a right midfielder and if he is to be played it should be central midfield

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Broon has played at rm plenty of times lol.

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@4 I disagree that his ' passing has been very poor' as compared to some of his team mates, I also debate that he gives the ball away more often than not.

how many times has he been booked this year?

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@1 nothing IMO! For Faure and Peralta I would have had McAusland (before his loan)and MacKay and I would persevere with them- give them a real run out in the team. We need more of a threat on the right hand side similar to what Wallace and McLeod are producing on the left currently. Clark is a good young striker but we need a bit more pace in the team. Good result again today but not great to watch. I would have Templeton instead of Nicky Clark but playing a bit deeper off John Daly.

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Agree Templeton for Clark, and with Shiels due to come back that gives us another option, but we do have limited options with Peralta playing right midfield
18 wins so far so keep it going.

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30 Nov 2013 11:49:31
Today's game is the biggest of the season IMO it tells us how good our team are, falkirk are no worse than hearts, killie etc.

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They are a division worse at least.

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30 Nov 2013 13:23:20
Not too impressed by either side in the first half. Fully expect Rangers to convert at least one or two chances in the second half though.

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No complainants about ally, made the changes at right time today.

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Sweep think you can add Motherwell to that list

Jg

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30 Nov 2013 11:04:45
Not forgotten ed was just wondering
now that McColl Murray and co have
welcomed the move if people would
get on there backs, after all its still the
same people they are fighting to get rid
of who employed him
billy h

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{Ed039's Note - This post is in response to a thread underneath guys. Thats a small point Billy about the board room tussle, but as I said there are many more issues with regards to Ally other than this. I have said so many times that Ally is a legend, and he always will be a Rangers legend as a goalscorer and ambassador but as a coach/manager, regardless of a 100% record in the league so far this season, he has been caught out)

Ed ally lost to Stirling Albion when Stirling were bottom of the 3rd division last year with a wage budget of 7 and a half million, enough said Billy.

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30 Nov 2013 09:39:34
To all the people who slagged ally off
for endorsing appointment of ceo wallace
to the board how do they feel now that
the men fighting for change McColl, Murray
etc have also endorsed his appointment
and said he was one of the people on
there wish list to have on the board
source: todays paper p. s McColl will
no longer be involved
billy h

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{Ed039's Note - Thats OK then, the endorsements of Whyte, Green, Mathers, Imran etc etc are all forgotten Billy, oh and his salary for a poor manager is now fine as well. There are alot more concerns over McCoist than who is cool for now and who isnt mate)

I hope the fight for change continues
i was at the meeting, i, ve no trust in Ally or anyone else for that matter at this time. remember these people will be asking ME for more money shares/season books in a wee while
what should be my reply?
does my money go to garrison, Allys wages or things that should have came of last share issue. and in all this Ally can only think off himself, with the if I don't vote for present board with his penny shares given to him by green i, ll lose my job my very very well paid job given to him by these people with our money
Ally grow a pair

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@ OP with the report that Ally is wanting yet more players to help us out of the temporary injury crisis in spite of us having no money should the manager not manage with what he has?

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{Ed039's Note - This is him trying to look after himself in terms of results, we are enough points clear to be able to say to Robbie Crawford to play midfield no problems, or if another striker gets injured, Law can move forward, Temps can play there, Barrie McKay, Tom Walsh, Lee McCulloch. But Ally thinks we need more players. Its a joke and a disgrace)

30 Nov 2013 13:30:07
Listened to Kenny Sheils the other night on Radio Scotland talking about young Scottish talent like Ryan Gauld coming through and how Lennon & McCoist should now try and bring some youngsters through themselves as both have already won their leagues.

Spoke a lot of sense but predictably I open my paper this morning and both are whingeing on about needing to spend in the transfer window.

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Ally mcoist is the only man who would have taken the managers job at ibrox sure the man has made mistakes and as for his salary he never asked for mega money

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The money lennon has wasted is ridiculous and ally hasn't bought anybody surely you know that

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Here here ED well said

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Ed, you got it right at the start of your reply @ 2; this is him, (yosser mccoist), trying to look after himself!
spot on.

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N4 totaly disagree with your point I think most managers would love to get ibrox job even with situation as it was most would have loved the opertunity to get us back to the top of scottish football

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Agreee with the ED, Ally not settiingthe heather on fire in fact he is extremely poor as a manager.
As for only man who would take job? think you would find there was lots of ex managers who would jumped at the chance to show their skills.

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Am was a club legend as a player but his comments since he got manager job have changed my thoughts on him in my eyes I now see him as a man with no self respect whatsoever

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30 Nov 2013 06:38:43
Correct me if i'm wrong, but the impression I get from the jim mccoll statement is that they are washing their hands and conceding defeat, as long as stockbridge is removed. it's the only way I can read it.

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Yes hughphil

i was at the meeting, and one guy stood up and asked, what do you want US to do
the answer was to continue with the protest
today its support Wallace?
WTF are we to make of that someone please tell me
myself its. never relinguish, even if there, s seem to be empty words

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30 Nov 2013 00:07:25
been reading with interest many posts from fellow bears, here's my take on things.
the club seems to be rotten to the core and I ask the question which will shoot me down in ignorance,
where were all these "so called " sugar daddys, aka king and mcoll etc when we were in aministration?
they could have bought rangers for the same money as green?.
more to the point. all these so called legends like numan, amoruso, gough, mcoist,. the list goes on. and on, who protraited their love for our club, surely they could have found a consortium to to save us, seems that nobody could be arsed and now we are bled dry by any and every charlatan that walks past edminston drive,
meanwhile rangers fans get bled dry lining these scumbugs pockets,
total disgrace what has happened to the Rangers Football Club

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DnP wur only gny sell tae green. If we had got a normal admin team in things wudve been different

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100% correct, dry them out, there only in it for the FANs money, all persons

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Shilo unfortunately rich people didn't get rich by being nice and stupid with money. They got it through being ruthless and in many cases corrupt one way or the other. Unlike me and you they don't have the same love for the club as they do for money.

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@3 spot on fella- well put

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Spiv maybe I am wrong but a season ticket does what it says on the tin, gets you in to watch the rangers for all home League games at a discounted price and the same seat guaranteed, it always has and always will, so if you buy one how the f@ck are you being robbed, cheated, swindled,
Tell me exactly how much you have been robbed out of in the last two years?

JG
JG

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