Rangers Banter Archive May 31 2012

31 May 2012 21:27:33
I'm a rangers man. However, we should take our medicine. We are in the wrong and to risk the wrath of fifa (right or wrong is inaccepable). I don't give a s**t about the big corps but whilst the newsagent,florist et al don't get paid then we shouldn't dream of paying for.new players . If we drop down leagues then let's take it on the chin..... I never questioned the old regime because he was scotlands leading businessman at the time. We all take the learning!........ Snm

Your comments are correct, but the only area I disagree is that murray and his band will escape unscathed. Surely he must have a responsibility for the legacy he left. He is not a man as if he was he would defend himself. Even Perry Mason would not take his case. We all have opinions but surely it is time to talk and the common sense factor says hit us hard, then do so, but deliberate and don't just jump in.

31 May 2012 19:30:37
Scottish FA will not challenge Rangers court ruling
The Scottish FA will not challenge a Court of Session ruling which overturned a 12-month transfer ban imposed on Rangers.

The Ibrox club were handed the embargo after being found guilty of breaching SFA rules.

Rangers' initial appeal was unsuccessful but Lord Glennie ruled on Tuesday that the ban was unlawful.

"Football must always operate within the law of the land," said SFA chief executive Stewart Regan.

"In light of Tuesday's decision by Lord Glennie at the Court of Session, it is necessary to clarify the position of the Scottish FA in relation to the disciplinary sanctions imposed on Rangers FC.

"It is regrettable that a member club has sought recourse for a football disciplinary matter through increasingly costly civil court action.

"The right of appeal is now open to the Scottish FA through the Court of Session. However, by so doing, the very principles on which the Scottish FA - and, for that matter, Uefa and Fifa - are founded, namely football disciplinary matters being dealt with within its own jurisdiction, would be fundamentally compromised.

"Therefore, it is our intention to accede to Lord Glennie's request and refer the matter back to the Appellate Tribunal, which will consider the remaining sanctions open to it.

"Details of a new hearing date will be confirmed in early course."

Rangers, who have been in administration since February, were charged with bringing the game into disrepute over non-payment of tax and fees due to other clubs.

But the Ibrox club felt the SFA's judicial panel did not have the power to impose a ban on signing players over the age of 18 and exercised their right to appeal the decision.

A different SFA panel upheld the decision and Rangers took the matter to the Court of Session.

"The Scottish FA is bound - as are all other decision-making bodies in this country - by the Supervisory Jurisdiction of the court under Scots Law," added Regan.

"The Scottish FA's senior Ccunsel represented to the Court of Session that it had no jurisdiction with reference to article 5.1(b) and (c) of the Scottish FA's Articles and Articles 4(2), 62(1), 63(1), 63(2) and 64(2) of the Fifa statutes.

"This representation was rejected by Lord Glennie, who considered that the provisions of the Fifa statutes and the provisions of the Scottish FA articles did not oust the supervisory jurisdiction of the courts to deal with questions of the powers open to the tribunal.

"It is important to reiterate that the additional sanction of a registration embargo was imposed by an independent judicial Panel chaired by a leading QC, Gary Allan, and upheld by an appellate tribunal chaired by a Supreme Court judge, Lord Carloway.

"That in itself vindicates the robustness of the Judicial Panel Protocol, which has been questioned in hackneyed comment in certain quarters this week.

"It should be noted that two vastly experienced Supreme Court judges, Lord Carloway and Lord Glennie, arrived at diametrically opposed viewpoints on the same issue.

"With our annual general meeting taking place on Wednesday 6 June, it will be appropriate to remind member clubs that by very dint of their membership of the Scottish FA, they accept and abide by the Articles of Association."

31 May 2012 19:17:56
Just wondering what people think of why jordan Rhodes isn't in full team for Scotland, he's scored another goal for under 21s tonight, I for one an sick of this mentally he's not old enough, this has happened for years in Scotland, why play Kenny miller in a friendly? The guy is nearly 32 and we know what he can do.

31 May 2012 19:02:51
If the sfa take away our registration, then does that mean we have to apply for another football association?, or was this the plan from the beginning?

English leagues have already said there's no way.

31 May 2012 18:31:03
Evening all, I was wondering ED if yourself or any of the good people out there could point me towards a solution, Neil Doncaster is quoted as stating that himself and the spl board are concerned with the club itself and that they had no business with who runs the various clubs, how they can they then turn around and fine (penalise) owners of the clubs then ?

Its up too previous chairmen to do the fit and proper test the sfa just set the guidelines. they are not nannies a club should be able to look after itself . then again its always someone elses fault {Ed039's Note - So why do other associations have A fit and proper persons test then?)

31 May 2012 17:32:10
I believe Rangers were right to take the transfer ban to court. After all, that wasn´t in the options of punishment was it? They basically said, we´ll just give Rangers a ban. Why not remove our licence which was one of the options. A - Because they would lose out on sponsors, fans, money etc... They´re punishing Rangers for something that a "man" done simply to strip the club of its´ assets and make money for himself. Therefore, I believe that Rangers should be punished for crimes in the Murray era, not the Whyte one.

Craig

I think the sfa were trying to be fair all round by given rangers the 12month transfer embargo because rangers would have no money to sign anyone anyway...as it is with rangers wanting to get off scot free FIFA will demand the sfa throw the book at them,the threat by FIFA is they will ban all Scottish teams from European football and national team to...surely rangers wouldn't want all of scotland to be punished for their failure to pay bills and tax etc as well as taken players of teams and failing to pay for them.....gujo

,Whyte did not pay tax for 9 months, so you think he has done nothing wrong ?

Whyte has done plenty wrong but it seems to go with the job. are all chairmen this bad?

31 May 2012 16:11:37
The SFA are upset we went to the law courts to fight our corner. Is this the same SFA that hung Duncan Ferguson out to dry with the same court for his headbutt on John McStay?! And FIFA acting so shocked? The endless corruption and hypocrisy coming out that cabal makes me seeth! What is gutting, is these cretins get to be our judge, jury & possibly executioner! :O(

WTF are you on about. It was the police that prosecuted Duncan Ferguson for an assault! The only thing the SFA are guilty of is trying to assist RFC in staying alive.

With Duncan Ferguson the police got involved not the otherway about

Would you prefer it if the sfa expelled rangers from the league?what punishment fits the crime may i ask?

One that is set for the crime committed and not just made
At the end of the we all just want to watch football and might I add we the rangers fans want us to pay our debts

@4: how could they have set a punishment when this crime hadn't been committed? - not this type of disrepute anyway.

@5 if there's rules in place to be followed there is always penalties in place if rules are broken but they didn't give those to rangers
It's not rangers fault the sfa have not changed this yet that is why they are all scurrying about trying to set up new rules for clubs doing this in future

Unfortunately the next team who have the misfortune to go into admin are going to be totally screwed as there will be no way of anybody helping them with the new rules going to be in place

31 May 2012 14:53:10
i think rangers fc have opened a huge can of worms taking the sfa to court,the sfa have a lot to answer for also for their ineptness but a 12 month transfer embargo surely wasnt such a great deal considering we dont have any money to sign any players anyway,rangers should have taken their medicine and written next season off....instead...they will be made an example of from uefa or fifa or both,possible expulsion?....might not be a bad idea to also expel scotland from playing after that embarassment against the usa,under levein we are going backwards,scottish football is a joke and we are the laughing stock of europe with what's been going on

ian

Hey ian...when you think or know your right about something and i do feel the gers were right , then you respond and feel good about the response...the sfa had no ruling on the transfer embargo and made it up....we can still do the youth thingy mind you...deecee

31 May 2012 13:58:40
I was just wonderung could someone answer something for me, pardon my ignorance.

Why are FIFA so pissed with Rangers for challenging the SFA decision in a legal court and not Court of Arbitration for Sport? If SFA legally acted outside their remit, surely this Rangers should be allowed to challenge.

Rebel_Red

Like the ST Mirren boss said - is every sending off going to be challenged in the courts now?

The rules of the game are the rules of the game. You can't have each country with their own version.

Whats sending offs got to do this what a moronic pointless statement


tb

When did the last red card end up in the CAS? The legal challenge was on a technicality in the rules so was deemed suitable for Scottish law? Also its got rights of employment written all over it so could be the biggest can of worms ever... CheltBlue

Read section 99 of the SFA articles of association. No club or person is allowed to take a football matter to a civil court. It is against the articles of association which Rangers and all other SFA clubs signed up to. Rangers broke that rule and have to be punished for doing so.
Doesn't matter the outcome of the civil hearing. How many civil hearings did Sion win and still got punished.
Al

31 May 2012 12:55:58
Watch the SFA simply do a deal with Ibrox to uphold the one year ban. Cowardly and zero moral courage.

The more appropriate harder option is now mandatory and unavoidable.

All the worlds clubs are now watching this situation. Everyone has said rangers are wrong. FIFA, UEFA, SFA past president, sports lawyers, former rangers players, SPL chairmen, ........

I would take a points deduction, being kicked out the SPL and Scottish cup those are within the current rules, but you cannot take a punishment that has simply been made up on the spot.

How the f*** can Rangers be wrong, when the highest court in the land 'the court of session' says they are right...that's you getting sucked into the big bubble that football and FIFA and all of the real corrupt individuals are above the law....i have news for you,,they are NOT.

@2 in that case you can expect the more serious punishments that are stated by the SFA - suspension or expulsion. This isn't about law - it's about the rules of football governance.

I also suspect a deal will be done as per the OP.

@2 Check the facta before you post. The CoS did not prononce that Rangers were cleared of the charges, just that the punishment was inappropriate. Rangers are still guilty and still need to be punished.
Al

@2: I think OP meant with their conduct in the first place that warranted punishment.

Correct we did not go to court to try and overturn the guilty verdict the year long transfer ban was not in their remit to hand out but as seems to be the case here people want rangers kicked to death even if the punishment is illegal i have followed rangers for the last thirty odd years through good and bad times home and away i will not be going to away matches anymore not in a boycott just had enough of this whole thing i dont even know if i will return to ibrox hurts me to say this but true and dont give me glory hunter bit i was a season ticket holder when we only qualified for europe on goal diff from dundee still i was there 13 thousand inside ibrox but this has went on to long and the outpouring of hatred towards us is beyond me yes we did wrong yes we should be punished but to make that punishment up as you go along is against the rules so the sfa have broke the rules as the court found if taking them to court means we are out of the spl so be it a year long ban we all know that is the end of rangers no income no club but i think a lot of people will enjoy that but i fear more clubs will follow us is that not why the other members failed to come out with a rule regarding newco spineless lot i have said all along i would go to third division and start again but others need our money cooperboy

Regarding 4) we are well aware that we need punished but the teal reason behind the court decision is simple not inappropriate as you call it,pit simply it was a made up sanction by group of incompetent people who call themselves the governing body of Scottish football.they tried the bully boy tactic and failed misserable,as a real rangers fan I would be quite happy to start again in div 3,and take our punishment as a said we broke rules and should be made to pay.but try applying sanctions that are in the rule book FFs.

31 May 2012 12:36:37
Would mr green not of halted dnp action,as a ex of sheff utd must of known road going down for a major investment which could be banned or heavily punished further,
Me personaly would of acepted it,taken it as a chance to get house in order ready for 2013/2014 season with cva in everything could of been sweetish!

31 May 2012 10:49:56
STEWART GILMOUR fears Rangers� court battle with the SFA could lead to ANARCHY in the SPL.

Would-be Rangers chief Charles Green has called for peace talks with SFA supremo Stewart Regan.

Stewart Gilmour fears Rangers� court battle with the SFA could lead to a total breakdown of the SPL.

The seething St Mirren chairman let rip after Gers had a 12-month transfer embargo overturned at the Court of Session.
He insists the crisis-torn Ibrox club had no right to take the action and fears other clubs following suit.
Asked if it sets a dangerous precedent, Gilmour said: �Very much so. Sport should stay within sport.

Sport should not be treated any differantly from normal life when millions of pounds are involved. A job is a job. Just shows how out of touch football in general is and how easily sport can be dictated. FIFA are corrupt and the SFA are unfit for purpose. Weve had idiots running our club but lets hope we get a good one next time. The idiots ru(i)nning our game will still be there though. Who does FIFA answer to? CheltBlue (not me obviously lol)

REF 1)
Cheltblue this quote fromyour comment above (Sport should not be treated any differantly from normal life when millions of pounds are involved), you then spout about sfa not fit for purpose .
if that is your argument then rangers should be dead and buried by now, as they are/were definitely not fit for purpose with everything that has went on . rickster

And why is Mr Gilmour 'the seething manager of St Mirren' so upset by what is going on with Rangers? Seems he should be more concerned with his own club as should all of these no marks with their non stories filling the papers.

@2. Your right that Rangers have been run terribly and IMO illegally. The current bidders have the chance to save one of the jewels in the SPL crown and the governing bodies are making the rules up as they go along. As proved in court. Thats the unfit for purpose part. The same as hoopy is always complaining about refereeing etc. Nothing is perfect but at least get the punishments in line with the rules. CheltBlue

31 May 2012 03:41:28
anyone else think maybe the SFA were playing a sneaky game of impose this 'improvised' punishment, knowing Rangers will appeal - as the SFA decisions are final they would have to go to court of law which is against FIFA rules - let Rangers shoot themselves in the foot & then expel, let FIFA be the bad guys

No I think the SFA believed this punishment was in their remit. The wording of the rules suggests they can dish out anything they want - Lord Carloway agreed but but Lord Glennie thought otherwise.

So now its the SFAs fault that Rangers appealed,this is comedy gold guys ,keep it up

Dannybhoy

You credit the SPL/SFA with too much intelligence there

No. More like D&P, Whyte and Green want liquidation.
Green has been working with D&P on all issues for weeks. He's an ex premiership football chairman. He knows the UEFA and FIFA rules.
D&P said they were trying to overturn the ban for his benefit.
Why didn't green advise them you can't go to court against SFA? He did!
They all want liquidation. The CVA is a weak bribe.

Strangely, the SFA didn't have a transfer embargo option at the original hearing. However their statutes allow for ANY sanctions at the appeal stage so the Judge ruling at the first appeal could impose a transfer ban (he upheld the ban).

@2 why do you bother? your mob are bending over backwards to get into the English football league. Give it a rest with caring for Scottish football. Every season your mob have a go at the SFA.
Love it when some posts on here come up with another conspiracy theory as if it has been a board game all along. Every time something new happens it's ahhhhh now where does that fit in?
UEFA and FIFA will know what they are doing while the SFA/SPL don't.
UEFA and FIFA are rotten to the core per BBC documentaries and will make a decision regardless of damaging the SFA, Scottish Football or RFC. Scotland is a backwater of an Association and is viewed as being in bed with the English FA. If either the UEFA/FIFA can get their hands on any of the voting rights or the allocation of places in competitions, they will.
As for McBeth - if you look after the sport the money will follow - having a laugh. The sport is following the money, just look at advertising and TV deals worldwide and clubs who boast global support and sales. The best players follow the money and always have been.
Football lost its way decades ago.

I demand to know who is this lord glennie {Ed039's Note - Google him)

@7. Is that to get another hate campaign going? Its pathetic on both sides. Just let the qualified(?) folk get on with their jobs. Hes probably putting criminals in jail as we speak... CheltBlue