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31 Oct 2012 23:05:42
more money lost by ally getting dumped out of another cup
You don't make a bean from this. Competition
What kind of bullsh*t you taking mate? You telling me that a possible home tie and then final a hampden wouldn't bring in ticket money. Go and have a word with yourself mate.
31 Oct 2012 23:03:49
quite clear to see youth not good enough and this result will do their confidence no good
Dont blame the youth. Blame the manager with his inept tactics and poor signings. Faure, Cribari etc all poor. I watched the reserves the other night. Stella to me looks a player and there was a young boy in midfield Andy Murdoch who reminded me of a young Alex McDonald, just what we need in the team instead of two sitting midfield players.
Caley had a younger average age team.
Give them a chance as last night's performance was woeful, the defence was absyma and ally do us a favour and drop black,play little through the middle and play aird.
We can only hope Templeton is fit to face alloa. {The Ed039's Note - He might make the bench, but he is only just returning to full training)
31 Oct 2012 22:54:16
any time i see green hes talking about shares and money and profit iv never once heard him talk about on field success apart from when celtic played barca he said he wants to bring it back to ibrox but again that was just the £££ signs talking
As green states he's a bussiness man not a football man that's why he wants to bring in Walter
@ 1 so where would walter be going ?? in the dug out where football men should be or in the board room where business men should be ?? talking about share issues sponsor deals profit margins and cash investment whats walter going to do set up the seating formation an put 2 coffees up front and four teas at the back ... walter is purely to raise interest in the share issue
Keep him out
31 Oct 2012 22:51:22
My brief foray into football punditry was prompted by the piece on the official Rangers website reporting on the match.
You can find it here.
The particular sentence which caught my eye was the first in the piece:-
"RANGERS crashed out of the League Cup as SPL side Inverness exploited their youthful inexperience to record an ultimately comfortable victory at Ibrox."
I know that one of the mantras chanted by the fans of Rangers this season is that their team has been disembowelled by the effects of administration, sale of assets, players leaving under TUPE etc.
Here too the official Rangers site attributes the outcome to "youthful inexperience".
I added up the ages of the players who made it on to the field for each time.
Rangers - 14 players - total age 355 years - AVERAGE AGE 25.3
Inverness CT - 13 players - total age 315 years - AVERAGE AGE 24.2
I looked too at the Celtic team from last night.
Celtic - 14 players - total age 344 years - AVERAGE AGE 24.
Fair point mate but Alexander, Jig and Cribari are all well into their thirties and they raise the average age of the team significantly. Stats can say what you want them to say. If your stats can tell me that Celtic and Inverness had more inexperienced under 20's playing in their first professional seasons on the pitch than we had (I don't honestly know the answer to that) then I will agree with you that we cannot justifiably be classified as a young inexperienced team.
Brian
Cut it , dice it , or slice it. Your team is just mince and I'm afraid ally aint no Michelin chef
@2 I didn't say we currently aren't 'mince', lol (difficult to argue against that just now). I simply asked a question. Which of the three teams mentioned had the most under 20's playing in their first senior seasons. That team would be the most inexperienced team in my opinion. Maybe there is a stat out there that gives you the aggregate amount of first team games per the players listed? That might answer it.
Brian
p.s. It was a fair comparison the OP made between Rangers and Celtic as both used all three subs. Average age given for Caley was only for 13 players though. Kyle would have bumped it up a bit too. Just figures at the end of the day.
31 Oct 2012 22:47:32
please dont get on ian blacks back tonight
as he has to be up early to paint and decorate a homer he has
....les
Ian if your reading this,do you remove artex i know its a messy job but i,d make it worth your while ..would like to get the walls skimmed i wonder if big kyle could do that for me....les
Someone's mixed up here. It's Rangers opponents in the 3rd division who are the brickies, joiners and sparks is it no?
I,ve got ian black and kevin kyle doing my hall tomorrow morning ,big kevin is just the man fur the high bits o artex. Ians a fair painter and decorater by the way...and big kevins great fur flingin oot the heavy bags o auld artex tae...he,s a big bit o a boy by the way....i,ll let ye know how they get oan.....les
31 Oct 2012 22:46:54
Ally should call it a day. He is ust not tactically aware and when things are going bad he does not know how to change the game plan. I would say big Terry Butcher is the man for the job. He has experience working with limited spending money, he has been abel to challenge the big guns and he knows what Rangers is all about. Ideal
Ned
Eck McLeish can walk str8 in.
Mcleish is the most boring most defensive manager. usless in the transfer market .hated manager everywhere he goes. jammy at first and then teams get worse year by year id rather have a paul le guen, berti vogts management team than that useless piece of sh
31 Oct 2012 22:35:18
We need to bring in a coach with vast amounts of defensive knowledge. The defending is by far the worst I've seen at Ibrox. Perry, Heggarty and Cribari are terrible! Ther don't communicate with each other. The defending for the second goal was disgraceful to say least. The less I say about McCoist's tactics and decision making the better...
TTG
31 Oct 2012 22:34:04
McCoist Cup Record
Champions League - Knocked out in qualifying rounds
Europa League - Knocked out in qualifying rounds
League Cup 2011 - Knocked out to Falkirk
Scottish Cup 2011 - Knocked out to Dundee Utd (at home)
Ramsdens Cup - Knocked out to Queen of South (at home)
League Cup - Knocked out to ICT (at home)
Ally has failed to go further than the quarter finals of any cup he has been manager.
Lost 15 point lead in SPL ffs no rangers manager ever has done that.
31 Oct 2012 22:32:01
All we have now is the scottish cup to finish of our dismal start I won't be surprised if Alloa knock us out how much more does it take for the penny to drop ally is clueless if he has any love for rangers like he claims he should bite the bullet and walk
31 Oct 2012 22:17:31
sorry ally your tactics are shocking . i thought broadfoot was bad but orged defence are worse .time to go
31 Oct 2012 22:13:39
Gents, through thick and thin we must keep the faith. We all should have know our team would struggle in the SPL. I know we only have one day or so for new signings next season but we will pull in more players then do that again each season until we are back in the top league. We are a third division team just now. As much as this is hard to take please get used to it. It was only six months ago we thought we may never have had a rangers on the pitch. Green is the only man to stand up for Rangers and get some money in. We have no divine right to win every game just because of our name. Lets just take one season at a time and climb through the leagues. Keep the faith! Iain
Signings for next season? Have a word with yourself mate.
31 Oct 2012 22:05:11
So bad!.. performance was woeful, we lack creativity, and the defence is rotten, Cribari and Argryrou Ally what were u thinking? Also u take off Hutton and Shiels and put on a donkey live Kevin Kyle who is clearly Finished! Thts look at the facts Gers Allys signings Ortiz, MacKay, Bedoya, Goian, Cribari, Argryrou, Black, Kyle, Sandazza, Faure etc... First season Knocked out of europe, and domestic cups through away a 10 point lead, this season knocked out of two cups and won away once all season.. LeJonWATP
They are the stone cold facts mate. You are spot on. The old pals act has to be stopped. Breaks my heart but I'm starting to think less of the man everytime he proves his inabilities like tonight yet doesn't go.
31 Oct 2012 21:58:01
Ally go now and take that fud black with you.
Nah, c'mon guys, he even got into the Halloween mood tonight by dressing up as a football manager, got to keep him for the entertainment alone :)
Not just black
take all the foreigners as well
oh and mcculloch and kyle and alexander
oh and all those so called excellent youngsters
oh and durrant and yes man mcdougall
oh and anyone else ive missed.
31 Oct 2012 21:53:53
cant believe how poor that perfomance was comsidering the support that turned up only the support thats performing time for changeo
31 Oct 2012 21:50:52
Problem is the 2 CBS. Perry amd cabari r nt up to it. Hegarty poor. Biggest let down... Ian black, drop him asap. I haven't seen one positive. Performance to date. N ally.. Cmon, little at rm, play aird, he's a winger. Trying to shape the team around jig.
The whole team is rotten
31 Oct 2012 21:50:10
That's Ally out another competition. Is that 7 out of 7?
Well at least Sally is consistent, unlike those other win a league/lose a league/win acup/lose a cup managers, you dont know if your coming or going with them!
31 Oct 2012 21:49:00
yous kept that quiet boys ... all the time i look on here not once have i heard you say your planning to boycott hampden
31 Oct 2012 21:40:19
Super caley go ballistic rangers are atrocious..... ALly must stay
31 Oct 2012 21:38:22
lose 0-3 at home to inverness. No surprise, considering we have the 2nd highest wage bill yet have the worst defence in the whole of Britain.
And you wanted to play celtic !
this is reality.
31 Oct 2012 21:36:26
It is no surprise about the result, as caley have something Gers dont have. A manager that knows what he is doing. Rangers are 0-2 down and he brings on the goal-scoring machine himself, Kyle. Joke.
Super cally knew what they were doing.super ally didn't have a scooby!
kenny shiels in charge plaese mister green pronto!
Only one man for job rangers legend and managerial experience terry butcher
31 Oct 2012 21:35:54
yikes.......that was murder!!
on the bright side at least we dont have to fear a potential old firm meeting where we would get humiliated,
getting humiliated from ict on our own patch is hard enough to take
31 Oct 2012 22:26:46
not too bad though only 28000 saw it ..think how humiliating it would have been had 49000 turned up....JohnnyG..ally must stay..2 cups down 2 to go ( 3rd div a certainty though)
31 Oct 2012 21:26:58
They used to talk about their history
Today they are history-liquidated off the park
Humiliated on it
Your basically contradicting yourself in your own post....
31 Oct 2012 21:23:41
Come on, thats enough playing around now. We have given them a 3 nil lead. 4 3 to the mighty Peeeeepppppplllllleeeeeee. Ho Ho. Shares anyone?
31 Oct 2012 21:14:07
Guys we are no good and can't cope at the SPL level teams. Lets face it if we were to get through then imagine playin C€ltic there would be a real hammering!!! Green and Ally must just bite the bullet and Walk away....
Nah if you dont win div 3 then ally will walk away.tonight just shows up the back room staff signing 'spl' players on spl wages cant beat a bottom tier team of the spl.
see green has been on /SSN on monday..wednesday wants walter on the board... whats next ?
where are these new deals like adidas etc etc ?
lenny
Cheer up you still got the scottish cup yhink of all the big european nights youll get out of that
What would Green walking away achieve? Does he pick the team/ arrange tactics? By the way McCoist doesn't do tactics by the looks of things either-quite simply there are none.
31 Oct 2012 21:08:19
Not one of the starting 11 looked like they knew what the game plan was or what if any tactics were being used.
Tactics? Ally know all about tactics. Oh, no, it was tic-tacs that he knows all about. Bet he likes the orange tic-tacs best!
Watched the match on RTV. Rangers were dire and more so as the game went on.Nothing up front and definately nothing at the back (apart from Alexander)
Question:What does Ian Black do?
He's apparently an entertainer. My wee bro fell aff his seat laughin when Blacky tried to keep a ball in and ended up belting the ball aff his own coupon lol pure slapstick gold. Pretty funny like!
31 Oct 2012 20:58:28
Doop Doop Doop. Another Cup Bites The Dust. Goodbye Sally.
Second most expensive team in Scottish football felled by the travelling highlanders.
Well done Butcher... Never did a McColl.
@1. Good job Inverness won then, otherwise you'd be accusing Butcher of 'lying down' because he once played for Rangers. Just because something costs more does not mean it's better, Flo cost us 12 million and he was utter cack. Give me a cheap grafter who will work hard and perform, to an overpaid useless t*sser who is more interested in his wages than performing on the football park and there will be no complaints from me or the vast majority of our fans.
31 Oct 2012 20:40:50
Half time here at Ibrox and I've just walked out.
I will not be back.
I've had enough.
Only so much that I can take and I've well and truly had my fill.
Maybe now the fans will speak out against McCoist. I have also had enough.
Please ally dont do a greig please go
how in g_ds name can you do an ajax
i,ve pleged £500 for a share but not if ally continues i,ll keep my money in my pocket till ally goes....les
Was it that bad op? Well done to Calley. CheltBlue
You are where you are but you should support your team always
You pathetic so called supporter,well,dont come back ,glory hunter,we got beat fair and square,take it on the chin,we know we are not that good,well done Caley,go all the way,well done,and good luck in the semis.
That was dross.total mince!
You weren't at the game Cheltblue ? Even I made it (freebie) and I'm a Jag .
Paddy Malarkey
If your a jag can't understand why you where there, even at freebie rates.
Just because you dont like the team just now makes you no less a supporter. just you support away blinkers.
31 Oct 2012 18:06:38
Is the game on tv anywhere tonight? I'm away so not getting too the game!
Yes, tell me is it on. I want to see the minnows slay the giants. !!!
Giants 3 minnows 0
Damn, the giants won!
31 Oct 2012 16:36:50
rangers oldco in liquidation....sad day.
Hopefully we'll put on a performance tonight though. Think we'll win by two.
BARNEY BEAR
31 Oct 2012 19:14:11
Look on the positive side, if any of you need a joiner, plumber etc.. you have hundreds to choose from. lol Timalloy
Could be worse big jig might have extended his contract ........... f,,k he has oh well maybe you will beat ict
Almost Barney. You were only 5 goals out
31 Oct 2012 16:23:26
Lee mcculloch sign 2 year extension
Wow thats really really.............fantastic and ambitious
That is funny
31 Oct 2012 15:05:35
inverness beat east stirling on penalties should be a close game tonight,i cant wait it is just like a big european night/
OP You obviusly have'nt been to any big european nights.
Just like to wish Inverness the best of luck tonight.Henke7
Yeah right. It's nothing like a big European night. But its where we are so well just make the most of it. No problem to us. Watp.
Both teams racked by injuries... will be hard game for both sides....
You sound like a kid waiting for Xmas.This is the nearest to a big european night ---get a grip.Better things to come.
Sounds like a big European night for Rangers under ally....les
Johnny Logan. Whats another Cup for someone thats waited so long? Ally Must Stay!!
Dyou enjoy your big European style night then lol
31 Oct 2012 13:19:51
Keep hearing tims on hear talking about external debt, DD has giving you lot over 40 millon, the day he calls it a day is the day you will see your great club go downhill.
And how exactly would you reach that figure? Laughable frankly.
Same could be said about abramovich and chelsea, but not hearing lots of folks pointing to directors or chelsea or celtic being linked with 10+ liquidated companies...
cant say that about green, lots of posts in this regard... ?
Yep. Nice to have a rich benefactor. 40 million, and it was not a loan. Think about it. Chico Verte speeeeks mit vorked tung.
You just worry about the ongoing saga about your club .I would think Celtic ,above everyone else will have looked at your debacle and put things in place to make sure we never get into a mess like your continuing to go through .
You clearly have no clue how Celtic are structured financially.
Green said at end of season gers balance sheet would be better that celtics...
now we know thats only due to creative accounting, double season ticket income, as late this year,....
green saw this coming 3 months ago...wow he really understands making the best financial case in floating.....
maybe thats why he floated so many companies........ but if only they were successful floats for all shareholders.... most seem huge failures...... odd
hes smart, too smart
31 Oct 2012 12:53:07
is the game on tv tonight
No mate. Utd Hearts on council tv. Espn and Sky aint showin it.
No just bankrupts cup. Dudu v hearts on bbc1
Inverbear
What ?? a big european game like this and its not on tv ?? shocking
Go on to front row sports they have the game on it
SM
31 Oct 2012 09:01:29
Hi Ed, just a quick one i was on the rangers website today and it mentioned something about the tax case. is it true tht if we do owe millions then its the oldco's debt? So realistically the only penalty/fine we can get os stripping titles? I am a bit confused with it all lol {Ed001's Note - impossible to say, that is one of the things the tribunal has to decide. After all Woolworths set up as an online business, after they folded, still the same Woolies, but they are not paying previous debts. Though there will be a debt to the club, Green made it plain his input was in the form of a loan, so that would explain the talk of external debt. Similar situation at Bolton, their owner has lent them tens of millions, their external debt is only around £10m though.}
The oldco debts be it £5m or £93m cannot be claimed from newco. The debt dies with oldco. If we lose BTC then less for other creditors. However if we win the case then essentially we have put into liquidation due to the threat of a big bill. If we win there is a question of being put into liquidation for nothing. I know Paye and NI not paid by Whyte was the reason but I believe he only did not pay to force admin.
How is it the same Woolies?
Joeshmo1888 {Ed001's Note - still selling the same products, under the same brand, just online not in a store. It even uses the same logos and calls itself Woolies.}
31 Oct 2012 15:18:31
Afternoon ED001 I think you meant INTERNAL debt as RFC say they have no External debt lol...
Also a wee phrase has now crept in that you may have heard of "Gratutious Alenation" where Mr Green buys club for one figure, but knows the value to be higher. I suspect that the liquidators BDO may be looking at this.
Also ED001 are RFC still "OLD CO" or "NEWCO" or
"Nearly Newco" your bears are wanting to know before 50million of them put their money into this entity in time for Mr Green to have a very nice Christmas. lol Timalloy {Ed001's Note - that was my point, he talked of no external debt, meaning there was nothing owed to anyone outside of the club.}
@1; what a load of rubbish.Liquidation occurred because there was no money to pay the numerous creditors.It seems that the liquidation has hit a snag on the first day in court,gratuitous alienation perhaps the reason for more evidence being required?
@3 you really are a joke, have a read at your own post, in fact do you read your own posts? The big new phrase and you cannot even spell it right.
We know what we are, it's you lot that keep opting for newco and oldco only when it suits you.
Your meaning of GA is strange to say the least. But batter on in there Sherlock!
Although you answered your question yourself Tim RFC are still RFC. The company that is running us at this moment in time are called new /co according to you sure it was sevco but never mind as long as the club is still called RFC we don't mind.Nice to know you still acknowledge us as RFC.
The Woolworths analogy is crazy. Woolworths were liquidated and some businessman bought the name and image to squeeze every penny out of it. No one in their right mind believes its still the same company they remember with the pick n mix from their childhood - its not.
On reflection great example ed!
31 Oct 2012 01:48:11
I think Green deserves some credit rather than the constant questioning him at every turn. I read today that it is suspicious that he wants Walter on the board, and the reason is to improve the share possibility. But Green said he wanted Walter when he made his bid, he asked Walter a position. That was months ago.
The other question is that we don't own the ground or
MP. But months ago Green had to prove to SFA, he showed them the documentation, and SFA confirmed he had done that. Why now is it being dragged out again.
Green has been asked for explanation of one financial deal to the next. The share issue offer HAS to give all the information, why can't they wait and see. A business has to declare financials annually, not weekly. Give the guy a break.
It is the same as saying that millionaire investors were in place. He did not say that , he said he would try and attract them and had some interest. He also said he believed a deal could be done with HMRC re CVA, that somehow became he promised that deal would be accepted.
There may have been a few exaggerations and a few stupid statements made but so what. He said he would save club and he has. He said he would stay even in div three, he did. He said from day one that there would be a share issue as soon as possible, that's what he has done. And over and above that he has fought our corner pretty well with SFA and SPL.
And his crime, is that he wants to make a profit. Hello, why would you buy a business to lose money, he's a businessman for goodness sake. Perhaps you think he should work six days a week for nothing?
Give the guy a chance because after all the McColls, Kennedys, Murrays (Paul) are nowhere to be seen, and with no Green, no club. I think he has done what he said he would, and yet the Rangers fans still don't trust him. Wait until he does something that deserves criticism before giving him grief. He has not yet shown himself to be Sir DM or CW so get off his back.
31 Oct 2012 09:47:22
Mate, i agree. I posted something of similar a few weeks ago. Green has not gave me any cause for concern. I agree that every Bear should be guarded given whats happened but Charles Green was the only guy to step up like it or not. Without him, where would Gers be now?
The guy is a businessman and hes not hid the fact hes here to make some money. Fair enough. If he leaves Rangers in a sound financial footing with a profit then its win, win.
They said this about whyte, even ally came out and said beleieve in whyte..... doh!
Op totally agree with you but according to our dhim minded friends this makes us gullible ah well so be it. I'd rather be gullible believing a man who has saved my team from certain extinction than be silly enough to listen to every piece of scaremongering from our dhim friends. Yes we do have to be cautious but at the same time we need to support the team in any way we can. In fighting and splits between our own support will only damage the club further
Re reply 2] So by your logic everyone is the same as Whyte .....DOH
The only good thing to my knowladge that green has done was dish the money out from the league last year to all 12 clubs. i still think something funny is going on whyte is still there somewhere i couldnt belive he would walk away that easy. hope im wrong.. Steven
2) ridiculous point, I don't remember Whyte promising a share issue, Whyte's only interest was to force admin, well he succeeded but it went further and HMRC insisted on liquidation, green is left to pick up the pieces. Your comment that McCoist was backing Whyte. He is an employee of the company, what else could he do? Ally also made it clear that he was not happy with events and his concerns were aired.
To 6) whyte promised £30 million investment, did green not promise similar investment.... ? whyte was dodgy, is greens any better ?
to 2) logic shows if alley says back this person (green or whyte take your pick) in time its a poor decision ? no ?
logic is black and white remember, true or false, 1 or 0.
green and whyte defies logic.
6. To be fair Ally could have did what John Greig and others did, i.e resign.
And he was wrong to say only a week or so before administration that he had a good working relationship with Whyte. He will regret this bitterly now.
OP He did not save your club.your club was liquidated, you are now supporting a tribute act.
Tam
31 Oct 2012 01:28:13
I keep seeing the question "why would an institution invest in the share issue. These shares are being offered at the best possible time for investors. The club are in div three, still with a massive following.
I am buying shares for two reasons, firstly because I am a fan and want my club to have no more financial worries.
Secondly there is a good chance that the share price
will rise. When back in SPL and Europe the income increases significantly. Providing the board do not authorise stupid spending, and after what we have gone through and with Green in charge, I think that unlikely. There is a good chance that a profit can be made, although I don't ever seeing me selling them.
Nice opening post Charles, think many will fall for it?
Lol a third division club valuing itself at £50m !!
With Ahmed/Stockbridge/Green's track record in business/AIM floatations you're in safe hands!
Look at the Hearts share floatation which makes perfectly clear little or no chance of any increase in share value......
Green/Whyte involved in many share floatations where many companies liquidated shortly after, and all share value lost.
How can there be "good chance" of share price rising if no real sign of increased revenue in div3/2/1?
Gers running £10million per year defecit - this still seems to exist..... even with less salaries (balanced by less income).
Miller said too many people, on too much money, with no cheap way to get rid of them..... you in div3 - dont need 200 people to run club in div3 - and cant afford to.....
Green's tactic of appealling to the baser WATP instincts of his customers might well be his undoing should he have to choose between being Rangers FC 1874, or The Rangers FC 2012. By using this No Su**ender hype he has backed himself into a corner and can't be seen to accept the loss of all that history and titles just to avoid any penalties, no matter how severe they might be. He's created this siege mentality that so many of the bears seem to be revelling in and it's that, more than anything else (certainly not reasoned argument), that has created this follow follow him without question mentality, without which his plans seem destined to fail.
Well! An official statement from the clubť and no mention of historyť!
What we have is the acquisition of assets of Rangers ¦ including its honours.ť
Are they now saying they have acquired the trophies as assets only, and have no history of actually earning them?
Shares in football clubs are worthless, you have no chance of making any money.
How come the better the news for us bears the worse the reallity touted by our former rivals? CheltBlue
@4 if titles are stripped then there stripped the thing that rangers fans are happy about is green isn't just keeping his gob shut and letting rangers be kicked then kicked again unlike whyte green is more than prepared to open his gob and stand up for all things rangers. Titles may be striped but memories can never be erased
3) op here, what a load of rubbish you spout. The hearts floatations wants to raise £1.79 m but have a tax liability of £1.75 m.
What has hearts got to do with rangers flotation, two different things altogether. Rangers are in div three with the income the lowest league, as they progress the income improves, the merchandise comes on board. So increased income. When they are back in SPL and Europe the income rises significantly.
You say still a £10m shortfall. The wages have been reduced from £27m to £7m, what are you talking about, there is no shortfall now. Income has not reduced by £20m.
Who cares what Miller says , his advisor said costs need to be reduced and that has happened. Think we were all aware that was required.
2) did you just pull £50m from thin air? It is valued at £27m. Why lie?
9) ...??? as they progress in divisions income may rise,
.....unlikely much difference in div1/2/3 income,
but players needed in each will costs more, there will need to be millions in bank when and if a return to spl ever happens, where does that come from...may need £40million just to assemble team to compete in spl, let alone win it.....
will sponsors ever pay huge ammount upfront given this a team that could go into admin again, pompey is not riding high on sponsor money noone will touch it....
pie in sky.... finance...
why did gers not go into div3 years ago if its so financially successful.... ???
millers people said you could not cut salaries fast enought to turn around before another liquidation/admin event..... who would want that..... green might...
Op income has not reduced by £20million.....???
well
a) £6million less season tickets
b) £3million less matchday sales
c) £5million less euro games income
d) £1 million less spl tv income
e) £2 million cup run income
f) £8 million less sponsorship money
easy £20 million less simples.... are you counting non-players in your salary total... think not...
if gers situation now sooo good they would publish accounts.... not signed accounts for years..... why not.... cos they so bad...
I'm sick of hearing this "sticking the boot into us" the spl and sfa are not there for rangers, or any 1 club, Celtic had problems for years with farry and co, and we were paranoid, the latest rantings from green, has caused me to visit this wonderful site to see what the supporters are saying about it, and it strikes me that (in all due respect) the rangers support are either very gullible or so desperate for something good they'll believe anything.
@12 rangers are run by a new company and have no obligation to issue accounts at this moment in time. As for losing 8 mil sponsorship money how you get that one Einstein as for season ticket money who cares match day tickets sell for more individually and ibrox is nearly full every home game as for 2 mil less cup money we are still in both cups so more lies. So there you go person just wiped out 16 mil f your deluded thought that some how rangers are twenty mil worse of. And even if we were we have wiped 20 mil of our wage bill from last year so away you go and get a grip
To 14) did one sponsor (just one) not pay £18 million upfront payment, run that over 3 years of contract , at least £6 million per year... that was one contract in oldco ?
simples.
Dont see big cup run... ? do you ? which cups?
@14 ... and ibrox is nearly full every home game ..
28,000 last night, is that not only half-full ?
Where were the 37,000 season-ticket holders, note only up 1,000 in 2 months.
30 Oct 2012 22:10:05
Things dont seem right to me.....when starting a new company you need cashflow.....to me all this effort to try and generate cashflow scares me. If your serious about building a business you need to be prepared to lose a few quid to begin with......I really dont think there is money there. Hope I get proved wrong
Charles says all the season ticket money is in the bank untouched. Herald two nights ago.
But season ticket money is cash flow,
and there is circa £12 million of it, the bampots claim £10 million defecit - so this still leaves £2 million ..... ? concerning.
Ally is rich - did he put any money in ? Even £1 million would show he trusts green and whyte a bit ? that would be leadership.
31 Oct 2012 09:31:54
So would you rather Gers' sat on their hands and didnt bother bulking their finances? I think its great. Its one positive that says we're not going to experience another year like we just did! RTID
ST sales = £12 million. The clubs main cost is wages which is >£8 million. Add on other revenues like match ticket sales, sponsors etc and tell me where the other huge cost is.
@4 exactly and this is what is killing Celtic fans they thought for sure we were dead. Now they just can't come to terms with the fact that we are going from strength to strength in div 3. 12 mil in season ticket money 20 mil share issue 10 mil shirt merchandise and hospitality. Plus another 8 mil from sponsors and advertising that makes 50 mil. Outgoings 8 mil wages 4 mil paye and Ni 3/5 mil running costs policing and other bills. That makes 17mil outgoings that leaves 33mil surplus. So guess what things don't look bad to me. PS if Celtic fans want to disagree don't just press disagree comment on where my figures are wrong about and what you think rangers figures are should be interesting
4) TAX/NI, Power, Rates, etc etc
none of this free. Note £10 million hole running before, did this just disapear ?
sponsors... what sponsors... who has signed any deal of any significance.. Adidas ??? you kidding right ?
Look at the adds on tv at gers matches, local hotels, and season ticket ads... ? no income there then.
5) for ten years ran at £10million loss per year, not £33million surplus.
Green noted this financial year will be two season tickets incomes... how often does that happen....eh just the once, year after income drops 50% at least if not more.....
pump... and dump.
Inflate share value before sale, then reality is loss of all value.... easy.
just count st money twice, why not.
@5: how much do you think the club's making from shirt sales?
Yes as I thought the dhims disagree but don't answer the question to prove my figures wrong why is this maybe because they can't because they know they are correct and they don't like answering questions where they actually have to use there brains because they know deep down that rangers are doing fine and ain't about to collapse again at any given moment. Oh and by the way another simple answer to a question you lot like to keep asking. Why is green trying to do a share scheme just now. Em so that money is in the bank for the next year earning interest meaning when we can buy players again we have even more money. See unlike you I have no problem answering questions in a rational and realistic kind of way
Lol money in bank to earn interest...what interest bank rate at 3% lol ... what a joke.
so green floating shares to earn interest..what a larffffffff
inflation will eat 3% interest... so money in bank pointless.... ha ha
@9: what says the most about you is that you believe anyone disagreeing is a Celtic fan. You'd probably believe Green if he tells you that UEFA have invited Rangers into the Champions League next season because it can't manage without them.
@9: how'd you know your figures are correct? You don't so you can't accuse anyone else of what you do. You haven't answered any questions, just typed out some guesses onto a forum and claimed that they're correct. You know nothing about the finances or if Rangers are really doing OK financially. No-one but Green and the board do and if things are terrible, do you really think they'll tell? Get a grip, read what you've typed and try to see your own flawed logic.
@8 2 mil from shirt sales 4/5 mil hospitality and 2/3 mil merchandise now before you go trying to rubbish that there are around about 250 thousand rangers supporters in Scotland and you could easily double that world wide and that's being modest by the way these figures are easily achievable no matter how much you believe otherwise
@10) 'Money in the bank pointless' - don't let the bankers hear you say that! They need your money for their next Ferrari or Porsche lol
JMG
@5. did you not even wince a little when you wrote.. whats killing celtic fans.. is we're going from strength to strength in div 3 ?
read it again.
what we want is spartak to draw with benfica and something from our game with barca. div 3 is beyond irrelevant apart from the regular comedy value from the rangers. read these words carefully :
we come on here for a laugh.
thank you.
@13: the club will not be making that from shirt sales. Clubs make a minimal amount from the shirts themselves unless they sell millions and millions of them. The money is in the initial shirt deal with the manufacturer.
@13 are achievable maybe? but are they being achieved ?.You are quoting figure's but it is abundantly clear you do not know what your talking about because you have not once said where you got the figure's.
Tam