Rangers Banter Archive January 03 2014

 

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03 Jan 2014 21:48:53
Guys, I really believe the way we are looking now we would not win the next league, unless 1 of 2 things happen, 1, new players, which I believe would be a scandal in our current financial situation and particularly as we have players capable of doing so, or 2, a new manager, so it I obvious where I am coming from, for the life of me I cannot believe anyone cannot think that such a change would not improve the absolute dross we are watching right now.

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Lw, get a grip, we are 14 points clear with a game in hand and have dropped only 2 points so far and you want to sack the manager, tell ye what why don't you just boycott Ibrox save yourself all the pain of watch us throw away our lead you won't be the only one that thinks this is a good idea.

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@1 the OP is making an honest assessment of the state of the club just now and it's wrong for you just to dismiss him. I think Rangers will struggle in the championship next season as it will be a bigger step up in quality. It's most likely to contain Hearts and although they are struggling in the top division they do have some good young players and all will have had plenty of first team experience. Add to that another possible Premiership side plus Falkirk who gave us a tough game in the cup. I am concerned with the lack of youth coming through in favour of overpaid journeymen players with no longterm future or sell on value. Why were players like Foster and Smith signed? Is our youth side so poor that no one could have stepped up?

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LW- You are referring to The Championship and based on some of the current squad leaving Ibrox?
To date we have only dropped 2 points so you must surely keep supporting the team, and back McCoist.
Lets see the outcome of Allys Meeting with CEO Graham Wallace.

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@1, ok jyf, be honest and tell me if you believe that with the same players and manager we would win league when we go up. My point is quite simple I do not think we would so something has to change.

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Our whole structure is wrong from the board through our management team and therefore the set up of the team.
We will scramble through the leagues but will never be a major force again, unless Dave King[ or similar] buy the club lock, stock and barrel and clear the debris, we are in deep sh***.
We should have enough to see us through this season but unless there is a radical overhaul, I fear for the future.

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OP I think your jumping the gun you've already got us losing the championship before a balls kicked if we don't win it we would be up there so at the very least were going to be in a Play off spot no? Plus I don't think that's even a worry player for player were better than most SPFL teams so get a grip even without Wallace there's not many better left backs than Steve Smith in the SPFL let alone Championship & that's really saying something about the quality of Scottish football. It's not the English Championship or the Champions league we will be promoted into we will be fine lol. I agree on Ally he's not and never will be a manager but that's another story.

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@6 are you joking about Smith? He is rank rotten and his signing typifies what's currently wrong at Rangers. I couldn't see him getting a game with any team in the Premiership and he isn't the answer going forward. Again the OP has been slaughtered for giving an honest opinion on Rangers and I don't think he is far wrong. It will be difficult in the championship and that's before the cuts start. Do you really believe Ally is the man to lead Rangers back to the Premiership once the squad is cut?

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Lw we don't have to win next years league with this team we have to win this league with this team are you seriously saying we should sack the manager because he won't win the league next year? that's a new one.

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Re 8, fgs jyf, read the post it says that we are unlikely to win the next league with same team and same manager, bottom line is we would have won this league with no manager. So does that mean we keep everything as is for next year.

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Billyb if we will never be a major force again are you saying Celtic will win the spell from now till eternity. Don't be so silly man where do you come up with this p, sh it is honestly no help what so ever. We still are a force in Scottish football and always will be.

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03 Jan 2014 20:35:10
i will be having my own personal boycott in my own way. I will not be renewing my season ticket in advance but I will pay as you go. The institutional investors/shareholders basically told us fans that they will decide who is on the board of directors of Rangers regardless of how us supporters feel. well that is their right but if they want to call the shots then they can put their money where their mouths are and invest in the team. once I see their long term financial commitment to the club then they can see mine.

before anyone starts bleating on about these muppets buying shares remember the money the Easdales paid for shares never went into the club they went into Greens pocket and the money the institutional investors/shareholders paid for shares has been filtered out of our club under the watchfull eye of Mr Stockbridge the very same guy they were so keen to re-elect back onto the board.

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Each to their own my friend. As for me, there will be no s. t renewal. The board are running rangers like a dictatorship. Until we get the necessary change. I won't be back.

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It's all well & good holding out on them like that but it's flawed unless everyone's doing it come renewal time, realistically lochaber bear it's only going to be one big inconvenience. If you go through with it youl need to either order all tickets online one by one or a trip to the ticket office unless you have someone on your supporters bus or whatever who'll have them every week or wait in the queues before the game or buy it outside the stadium in turn this is going to be an effort every home game & by the end of the season you will have gave the "SPIVS" more money.

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LB that is your freedom of choice and I respect it. I don't want to be part of something which may force another admin but like you, I am frustrated like most of the supporters. Is a boycott the answer? Maybe, but the supporters have don't have the stomach for it. The board will understand financial starvation and if the supporters band together over a sustained period it will send messages to all potential sponsors and shares purchasers. won't happen.

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I have posted this before but here we go again. If a large number of season ticket holders paid their ST renewal money into a "fighting fund" which was held by trustee's such as Sandy Jardine, John Greig etc then the board may well be persuaded to answer the questions we all want addressed. Hopefully there would be no need for a final day game of poker with a standard letter signed by individual shareholders to the effect that unless the questions were answered then hopefully millions of season ticket monies would be withheld.
Now post absolute rubbish to the suggestion if you want but come up with a better solution please.
All of us want to support the team and these guys who hold power know without the fans and their money the club will fail again.
That thought will convince a lot of us to pay up for season tickets again irrespective of our feelings about the board. But unless there is "political" action by significant numbers of bears this arrogance of ignoring the fans will continue. If enough of us won't buy shares this is our biggest/ perhaps only other negotiating tool.
I repeat better or more workable solutions sought-please? This has many flaws but its the best I can come up- so come on bears -use the grey cells!

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04 Jan 2014 06:44:58
I Agree with nearly every single Rangers fan, action needs to be taken. It also looks like the renewal of season tickets is an issue that divides us nearly 50-50. To be honest, both sets of arguments are understandable, but what we all agree on is that the current regime is abysmal and has taken us for a ride for far too long.
I for one feel the time to act is now. If we wait until the summer when season tickets are due then this will be too late. We need to unify the support and get every disgruntled and angry fan on the same page. Some people are 100% behind the boycott, others loath the idea. Surely a compromise would be to call for a boycott of 1, 2 maybe even three home games this season. The ones who still want to go to the games can hold their own protest, at a certain point in the match every single rangers fan who is sick of what is going on and wants some answers and a voice, turns their back on the game for 5 minutes. Since that fateful Valentines Day, the people running our club have taken full advantage of us fans and they have done this solely for one reason. The money men have leached upon our blinkered passion and support for our great club. We need to make a statement, and it needs to be a big one that everyone can see, the media, the rest of the fans and in the end, a statement that can't be ignored.
If we do this now then it gives them plenty of time to rectify the problems by the summer and if they still chose to ignore us fans, then sod them, turn off their life support and don't renew your tickets.
There's no point sitting on our hands until the summer and hoping, let's sort this out now. Yes it would be an inconvenience but not attending 2 home games or turning your back is a compromise and not a very difficult one.
It would also force the democratically elected (I have seen fairer elections in 3rd world, communist totalitarian regimes!) board's hand. It would make them show their true colours.
This is just one suggestion, I would love to hear what you guys think as we need to discuss this and formulate a plan. rapidly.

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That sounds a decent ideal nbear2. Why don't you get the remains of the first fighting fund and use that to hire a decent solicitor to hold the monies in escrow - with a guarantee to return to the individual fans if their specified demands are not meet (less an agreed deduction per head for fees - any surplus to charity)

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Sorry HHJoe but you can't honestly believe there's any money left in any sort of "Fighting Fund" or surely the good people in Charge would have bought shares with it before the AGM?

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Well said Dunc. Completely agree

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HH_Joe- sorry I forgot we are Rangers fans- what will be done? SFA. We are the undisputed kings of moaning but feck all else. Some will buy season tickets- many less will boycott and some will pay at the gate- but an organised effort? Nae chance. This board knew if they could survive the AGM the rebellion would be squashed or would peter out. (In typing this I am secretly hoping someone will come up with the Eureka solution and all fans will rally behind the game changing idea- but I'm not holding my breath.
If boycotts which imperil the club further is the best we can come up then we ain't got much hope.

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@ 7. Surely there must be some cash left? - and why doesn't anybody seem to know or care? That's ordinary decent peoples cash! I do wish you bears would man up a bit - tell me when before a group of Glaswegians have been royally shafted (repeatedly) and done sod all about it? You seem to walking sound with your trousers at your ankles. And before I start to catch pelters - I miss rangers and the OF, and my very real concern is that if you don't do something soon it will be game over good and proper. If you think rangers can survive another admin you're sorely mistaken - even if I team emergies it will be hamstrung for years. Your board are playing you fans (expertly at times). Baybear is anyone on here that talks a lot of sense. Seems nobody listens right enough. Ffs don't make it so easy for us cause its boring. ATB.

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Bears, biggest problem in implementing all of the above ideas is a lack of unity among the support. Good intentions and ideas about how we change the current situation. no leadership however, as long as there are 4 or 5 supporters groups, no single fan group will bother the SPIVS.

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John greig was slaughtered by jack poisen irvine why does nobody get in touch with john greig and ask him to arrange an account for season book money to be deposited until we get the problems looked at and sorted out just a suggestion

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