Rangers Banter Archive July 03 2012

03 Jul 2012 21:24:00
just like to say, i'm hoping we get into spl unlikley i know but you never know.... wonder what all they rangers fans ie mcgregor davis lafferty etc would do then? good luck tommorow rangers 1972 or whatever they will be called.. football always has a surprise and an away game at kilmarnock in 3-4 wks time could well happen.

There's more chance of Susan Boyle getting on Mastermind

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03 Jul 2012 20:53:36
Time for us to set the agenda. 3rd Div boycott those who have kicked us while we are down. Weed out Scottish football to a smaller sustainable format.
Fed up with the no marks throwing their "weight" about

Rangers support have voted 75% to go to div3.There is your answer Mr Green now get on with it or step aside.

Yet you want us all to bow down to rangers. Have you not learned any humility from the fact almost every Scottish team wants you to start at the bottom even in the face of financial uncertainty. Your attitude makes no sense if Scottish clubs die then what's the point of rangers rebuilding, England will never be an option btw

Like you have been throwing your weight around with your clubs will die nonsense?....green jhedi

Again ....bully the rest....Rangers are currently the no mark with no power, has the reality not set in ....no one cares about a cheating club ...EBTS yes are legal ....dual contracts in SPL are not

Our chairman has just apologised on behalf of the club, the fans are not to blame let's not blame others for the mess our club has caused Scottish football, and hope we come out of this disaster with some credit and hopefully some way back to what we once were.
Bobby

I would be bitterly disappointed if rangers fans go to away games once back in the SPL, think u can live without us...we will see!

Boycotts, marches and threats is that all this club has to offer? Not one ounce of contrition has left even the most fair minded of people feeling that you wont be missed.

This will be coming from tic supporters who were doing what exactly oh that's right they were planning boycotts of any clubs that voted to let gers back in spl , well that's fair minded, more like two faced.

03 Jul 2012 20:23:27
Still cant express my anger enough at the likes of lafferty, mcgregor, naismith n davis bailing.
Lets take Davis as an example, the club you grew up supporting offers you a basic of 15k a week, for 3 years you are paid your 15k a week to play week in week out infront of your loyal fans, as a fan yourself nothing could get better.......but then your offered a contract extension n the opportunity to captain your beloved rangers, oh n by the way you'll be pain 25k a week now!!
Fast forward 6 months n after recieving well over 2.5 million in wages n adored by your fans your asked to take a reduced wage to save staff redundancies n in turn help the club out. now you'll still pocket around 6k a week but you'll be doing your club a massive service here.
So no resolution was reached to save the club, the club you claimed to love. But we have a new start, sure we may be in sfl 3 but its still the same fans, the same stadium and a real chance for me to be part of making history. but f**k it, no intae it, i'm off!!!!
I would've given anything to play for rangers and even now i'd do the same to be part of the newco, an opportunity to be part of something that will make history for years to come, to be there at the very start n to win the first trophy for this new club is the stuff of which legends are made. Something money cant buy!!!
I respect the likes of big jig, wallace, hutton ect who have sacraficed certain stability elsewhere, to stay n build this club outa the ruins of rangers. lafferty, davis n co can settle for a mediocre career elsewhere, these other guys i mentioned will be remembered for years n years to come whilst you guys are nothing more than a distant memory.
J1985

Totally agree, When they decided to desert us, nothing had been decided as to where we would be playing.
The very least they could have done is to report back and then trigger the clauses put into their contract.
They claim to be Rangers men...No Rangers man i know would hurt the club like this.
I've said before, none of them will ever hit the heights they have had at Ibrox.
I agree with Greene that they chased the money. However it is the younger players i'm more angry with as even if we go to 1st Div, this would have been the making of them, for them to become the future of the club, How fkin dare they leave a team like us. They have made a mistake, in a few years they will be back with their tail between their legs playing with the St Mirrens and Motherwells as their progress will have been stunted, and for that we should all laugh, I may sound bitter but what a bunch of ungrateful little erses.
BR

Strolled away then ...you might get you chance to play,if you play part-time, many do in 3rd div

@1. Yer right mate. McCabe has a hand full of first team games n all of a sudden he fancies his chances in england. Ness struggles to play reguarly due to this ongoing complaint he has, oh n btw we've looked after the boy throughout, but he's off at the first chance he gets. Danny wilson headed for liverpool hoping to make an impact down south, 1 carling cup game being played outa position later n hes off on loan to the lower leagues. wouldn't be surprised if both mccabe n ness went the same way.
J1985

03 Jul 2012 19:46:07
I would not like to see rangers at this moment in time to be playing in spl or div 1 as the nearly all the players have ran off into the night who in the right mind would sign for us at this moment in time

build up from div 3 for me with youth and experienced journymen

With tens of thousands of supporters paying each week (or season) it won't take long to re-build the squad.

03 Jul 2012 19:31:43
Rangers to start in div 3

sky and espn to half there tv deals

one club to go bust next season in spl

rangers will become stronger

Really? Might take a few years...........green jhedi

Yes, another club might need to go newco. At least they'll know what awaits them by then.

The sky will turn green, the sea red, and you will stop taking your medication!

God are Dundee going to go bust again sam eold then? as for espn and sky halfing money think you may see changeheart,,, when takes four years at least for NEWCO to get europe etc..... unless they go bust also??

How can a new company (football team) enter any of the Scottish league's without 3 years accounts, the rules state that they must be in place before being accepted. Also if Newco is accepted you may find that teams such as Spartans and Cove Rangers, who have been getting their accounts in order for a move to the third division may legally oppose Newco being accepted before them.

Vambo {Ed039's Note - Read it again vambo, they don't need that from a reformed company, airdrie united wouldn't have had 3 years accounts as they were a newco)

03 Jul 2012 19:06:29
every one stop saying we can only sign teens cause we can sign older players too , yous are so negitive towards your team makes me quite angry tbh .

The transfer embargo is at present still in effect so players under the age of 18 are the ONLY players you can sign.

03 Jul 2012 18:46:08
Nice to see the lone supporter outside Hampden today.Poster with bulldog and saying 'we bite back'.What an advert for the club.No end to the shame.

03 Jul 2012 18:31:28
green now resorting to desperation, should have cut and run long ago charlie boy......

03 Jul 2012 17:42:13
John Brown: "My plan will put Rangers men in charge of Rangers. The type of people who will not surrender to Peter Lawwell and Celtic the way Green has surrendered to them."

I don't like his language, with words like "surrender". Can't he see this is about negotiations and business?

Is this guy really what decent newco fans want?"surrendered to Lawell?" Jeeze,he sounds like that idiot Leggat.

Brown is a bafoon, and absolute fool, who makes a total @rse of himself every time he opens his mouth.

He is an embarrasment to Rangers.

Why would any investor with the sort of money required to invest in Rangers align themselves with this eejit.

Mac2.

Bomber really is coming across like the last person we need at Ibrox going on about Rangers men, well does he think the team he played in should just have been Rangers men?

Because guys like Gazza and Michael Laudrup weren't Rangers men but were ten times the player Brown ever was.

Sober yourself up Bomber and step away before you make an even bigger clown of yourself. Or at least watch Malcolm Murray speak and try and learn how to conduct yourself with some dignity and class.

03 Jul 2012 17:03:50
Ed all this talk of Green getting the season ticket money, but does he get the money from all the merchandise that is sold like the new rangers strips? Therefore is this money being used to pay the players right now and not his consortium? {Ed039's Note - I think the strip sales are part of the asset transfer, but the old deal was complicated so I dont know how much Rangers actually get from shirt sales)

Just spent £300 this afternoon in JD sports.
There was plenty Celtic stuff there but zero Rangers gear.
Has the 5 star gear been withdrawn? Or just sold out?

03 Jul 2012 17:01:16
STV "Charles Green says fans have to listen to the economics of “financial meltdown for the whole world” as the SPL prepares to vote on allowing newco Rangers in or out of the top league."

Right, so the whole world will crumble if newco Rangers aren't allowed in the SPL. Really. CG is either desperate or bonkers.

Am I the only onw here who thinks the debate should be about football? The question is: Is newco Rangers good enough to play in the SPL with the punishments that have been discussed? I personally think yes, so surely that's the win-win scenario?

McWulf

Green's last dance to increase the value of Gers when he sells in 5-10 months.
He has to deliver a profit for his investors and himself of a ROI min 100%.
Why should SPL chairmen deliver these guys millions?

03 Jul 2012 16:30:36
A question to all our visiting fans who come on to wish us well and support us in our time of need

Would this satisfy your bloodlust

SPL vote to transfer PLC share to LTD
SPL punish rangers with deduction of points for last season and we are relegated to divsion 1 in place of dunfermline

I think that resolves all issues of how to issue a punishment, how to get us into division 1 and the who stays up

JG

No.The share should not be transferable,and the newco should start by applying to division three. They have not got a licence yet!

You can't be relegated as you are about to be liquidated FFS.

OldCo will be expelled from SPL and Newco applies for entry to SFL. It's not complicated! It's not optional

You didn't help your cause by framing this as "bloodlust".

It's about what is costs Rangers to lose its "bad history" and keep its "good history". There is no formula, unfortunately, so everyone is trying to work out what's best for all and for the longer term. Remember it might happen to any of them sometime also.

Agreed. Division 3 is the only decent outcome. Too much to put this kind of
pressure on the SFa clubs.
No to SPL and division one. The only way is to work our way back up.

Dear JG and other Newco fans,

I'm a Dundee United fan, but am among the minority in my family as they are mostly Bears!

You use the word bloodlust, however I 'bear' no ill will towards the NewCo and am in no way trying to compound things for Rangers fans. Now if it was Celtic.. well, that's another story ;-)

I feel that the phoenix that rises from the OldCo ashes should apply to join the SFL along with other teams i.e Spartans, Gala Faridean etc, where each of these teams would present their case to the SFL.

The new company should demonstrate beyond doubt that they can harness the massive OldCo fanbase, and along with the assets they have purchased, provide a transparent plan of how the NewCo can and will be a positive addition to Scottish Football.

The important word in the last sentence is 'Scottish'. If I was on the SFL panel deciding who should get the berth now available in the 3rd Division, I would expect that club to demonstrate their vision for a modern 'Scottish' club.

As those who have already commented on your post have stated, OldCo/NewCo fans need to accept they are not being punished. Your OldCo has been liquidated and as such you are hoping to join the Scottish League setup. The NewCo have the same options that was available to Livingston and Gretna when they were liquidated.

To my mind, the existing rules must be 'followed'!

There are the obvious financial implications for the whole of Scottish Football should the NewCo be absent from the top flight for 3 years+. My club is one of those likely to be severely affected, but that's a price I am willing to pay. Lower quality football, season ticket price increase, but built on a league setup that treats every club as an *equal*.

The standard of our game and the clubs (I hope that includes the NewCo!) making up our leagues will move towards to their natural level. A level that can be built on for the future.

Arab Robb.

Ok thanks for the input - Arab Robb the reason l used the word bloodlust is because, when i see football supporters say they would rather see their own clubs go to the wall rather than have rangers in the SPL then they have some serious hate issues going on

JG

03 Jul 2012 15:22:10
Who is that person standing outside Hampden representing?
"Ranger bite back"
We don't have any teeth ya bampot What chance have we got of getting any support from other clubs, When you have idiots like that wearing our team colours making stupid threats. He might be a lone nutter but will be seen to be speaking on our behalf.
Jake.

If hes so interested in showing his support for Rangers perhaps he could have dug a little deeper into his pockets and bought an up to date Rangers top...every little helps.

Jake, calm down i think he will be seen for the nutter he is a not a representative of the bears
i doubt if he will sway the vote one way or the other and remember the thing that makes our country great, you may be a nutter but you still have the right to freedom of speech

JG

JG

03 Jul 2012 15:45:57
up to 6 spl teams at risk if rangers are demoted. stewart regan

I am sick of this if teams cant survive without celtic or sevco then they should not be in the league

@1 thats the fn problem, they wont be for much longer, your not happy with wanting us gone now you want more teams gone (sporting of you) still it would give you a better chance of winning the treble so no harm done there then

JG

U budget with the income u have not what u might have if a team cant run on its own steam then it should not run full stop u cant run a team saying well i might get money off that team this team we might get money from cup run. thats a sorry way 2 run a team u dont here teams in 1 2 3 divions saying that u run your club with what u have

@1 when will realise what is about to happen, clubs have stated publicly they will suffer. St Mirren/ Dundee United no signings possible redundancies, Motherwell administration.
So, why not take off your green tinted glasses and see what is actually happening.
Yes, Rangers are to blame but your pathetic attitude just compounds the state scottish football is in.
And by the way if you find it difficult let me type it for you, RANGERS.

@JG;What a stupid response.The poster is correct,if clubs are being badly run they will have difficulties.They will just have to cut back.simple.This scaremongering is ridiculous. green jhedi

@4:

Why would anyone find it difficult to type RANGERS.

Hoopey67

@5 they have publicly stated they may go into administration, people will be made redundant and they cant afford to sign anyone. Where does that leave the SPL, get real and put a business head on to look at this whole sorry state.
You were shouting from the rooftops about sporting integrity does that allow for other clubs to go bust because of the actions of two individuals?
Rangers should be punished but now it seems this is to appease all the people who have nothing but hatred for the club which is now evident.
By the way your own chairman is keeping very quiet, any ideas why???

@5 Scaremongering? you lot were scaremongering with threats to all the clubs about fan bhoycotts.
Clubs in the splc run their budgets tightly already, they have little spare cash and have players on long term contracts based on projected revenue including the TV deals and visits by CFCPLC and the oldco/newco fans. These will have to be reviewed.
They have to try and pay their players the best wages they can otherwise the players are off. If the players leave or they dont sign anyone there is the chance of relegation, which could be a case of no return as crowds would fall and their revenue also if relegated.
The 10 other clubs in the SPL now have the upper hand regards pushing new rules through, inclusive of share of the gate monies and TV revenue.
These figures of up to 6 clubs being at risk will only highlight the case for them to try and get more revenue, TV or gates or both? Remember there is now an Edinburgh derby and a Dundee derby(taking it Dundee are promoted) for SKY to replace the previous Glasgow derby.
I really do hope RFC go to the 3rd div as all the blame cannot be attached to a newco starting in div 3 and secure a TV deal for away matches. Of course CFCPLC don't need their TV revenue, but other clubs in the SPLC do as it accounts for up to 30% of their revenue.
CFCPLC because of their size will now be the main PLC that the other 11 clubs in the SPLC will want to hit financially.
There is no scaremongering there, just plain commonsense. There is no integrity involved when each club is looking after number 1.

03 Jul 2012 15:18:08
if rangers get back in to spl which of the players who left will regret they had not left ? {Ed039's Note - None, they have the opportunity to resurrect their careers and earn a good payday)

If CG is right, they haven't left anyway. Might be interesting and there could be some twists yet.

Let's be honest.

If they do get back in its just papering over the cracks,if rangers don't finished 2nd or don't have half a decent team then the 'old firm' games won't intrest sky which in turn will offer us even less money ?

Lenny

03 Jul 2012 14:57:25
Barry Ferguson has been talking to
the Evening Times. Wish somebody
would tell him to button it . JK

03 Jul 2012 14:48:20
Ok im firstly devastated for the fans of rangers football club who have been nothing but fantastic in these bad times. I want to ask peoples veiws on where it all went wrong. Looking back at the history of Rangers, the period when Dick Advocat was in charge. Do you think this period is vital in reagrds to your financial situation now?

Sam Adzii JFT96

03 Jul 2012 14:36:56
Direct from an aquantence fo greens, he is campaigining for SPL re-instatement vigoriously as he wants to sell the club on as an SPL club, hence why he is willing to accept all sanctions imposed by the SFA. if Newco are put in division 3 or even in div 1 but fail to get promoted then he is shutting up shop, selling the stadium and murray park to the highest bidded with the clubs logo and brand merchandise being donated to a rangers fans group.

spl and sfl and sfa are putting across that its the long term future of scottish football that they are looking out for, butpeople need to realise whichever division rangers (newco ) end up in they will struggle to adapt and win it....i wonder how long the fans and players will stay loyal when celtic are playing european football midweek while newco are travelling to brechin on a wet winters night.

Utter rubbish.The logo has gone,it cant be used.and so has the brand rangers.

Celtic European football winter no m8 that does ring any bells.Another bundle of laughs for us bears in a year of turmoil.

@1
Your talking utter rubbish
I've had the misfortune of being in a company liquidated
The new company had the same logo and the same customers staff used the same overalls and the same paperwork

@3; Well you are lying or the company were not liquidated.Read the rules,you cannot operate in a style to similar to the liquidated company.

Year of turmoil, mate i think youll find it will be 5 years of turmoil at least.

even if celtic dont make it past winter we will still have min of 6 european games whil the newco head to cowdenbeath. how loyal the hounds be when there team is getting kicked up and down semi proffesional pitches on a weekly basis.

@5. Celtic won't make it past August in Europe, never mind mid-winter.

03 Jul 2012 13:26:33
Honesty!

Raith director: 'We are being bullied and the Scottish game is corrupt'

03 July 2012 12:30 BST
Raith Rovers director Turnbull Hutton says clubs in the Scottish Football League are being �lied to, bullied and threatened� by the Scottish FA and Scottish Premier League to accept a newco Rangers into the First Division.

Hutton says the attempts to force teams to bypass a formal application process for Charles Green's company are "corrupt", following threats that finances from the SPL would be cut off and a breakaway league formed.

�It is not an SFL issue,� he said. �We�ve been lumbered with this. There are rules we feel they should be followed. They [newco Rangers] should apply for the Third Division.

�[We are being] bullied, railroaded and lied to. We are being lied to by the Scottish FA and the SPL. We are being threatened and bullied. It is not football as I know it.

�It was a ridiculous document which came out last week whereby the threat was there that if you don�t vote for an acceptance into the First Division, a breakaway SPL2 will come along and those who didn�t vote wouldn�t be invited.

�What kind of game are we running here? It is corrupt.�

When asked if he agreed with the SFL�s assertion that Sccottish football would face financial meltdown without Rangers, he replied: �I don�t believe that.�

The 30 member clubs of the SFL are meeting at Hampden on Tuesday to discuss proposals which would see Charles Green�s newco parachuted into the First Division, as opposed to applying to enter at Third Division level.

A presentation sent out by the league to its members last week warned £16m could be wiped out from the Scottish game if Rangers had to play in the bottom tier.

It promised an additional £1m would be divided amongst clubs in TV money if the club were to participate in the First Division, with play-offs and a change to financial distribution also proposed.

03 Jul 2012 12:44:45
Ed - Can you explain what income sources Newco has at present? {Ed039's Note - Very little, it has been difficult to sell season tickets with the uncertainty of the club and sponsors wont be banging down the doors to throw money at the club and obviously without knowing which division RFC might or might not end up in there is no TV income)

It would be interesting to see what terms are being offered to those opting to sign for Newco! {Ed039's Note - For players under contract to the oldco it would be the previous terms and conditions of their old contract)

03 Jul 2012 13:52:56
Barry Ferguson has joined the latest mantra, "be careful what you wish for." He is talking of Division 3 up to a point. Isn't this the wish of a large number of Rangers fans? I read as high as 80%. From the Rangers supports point of view this breaks up into two categories, those wishing for a clean slate, an appreciation that in no way can a club be parachuted and neither asking for nor seeking favour in whatever decision is made. They see the bigger picture and know full well anything short of a consistent approach similar to Livingston will be a cop out that Rangers fans will have to endure criticism for years to come. The other part of the Division 3 brigade within Ibrox, are of the screw you mentality, presuming that meltdown will occur to teams in the SPL and elsewhere. Should it be Division 3, what do Rangers return to when finally reaching the SPL then? Very forward thinking that bunch. The rest of Scottish football fans leaning towards Division 3, possibly have two camps also, those desperate for a kick at Rangers/the old firm, they'd be similarly minded if it was Celtic too. And the second faction of what I'm one, simply want consistency and the closest example in Scottish football to date is Livingston.

03 Jul 2012 13:16:46
Integrity and Football now there's an oxymoron if ever there was one. Football is the only sport I can think of where players openly cheat to get penalties and fouls or to get opponents sent off. Yet we are reminded every day that Rangers have to be punished to maintain " integrity" .As a life long Gers fan I understand the previous regimes have done wrong but what have we the fans done to be kicked , kicked and kicked again by everybody and anybody and wants to take a shot at us.

Ah the old Integrity eh, you can see it everywhere in society cant you, I mean you only needed to look at Bankers,Politicians,Celebrities,Footballers,ect.
we live in the perfect world according to some.

THE SAME CAN BE SAID FOR MANY EMPLOYEES OF MANY COMPANIES THAT GET PUNISHED WHEN THINGS GO WRONG THAT THEY CANT AND DONT CONTROL.

IAN

A great post !! Not for the content but for the fact that a SEVCO fan can understand the word OXYMORON and utilise it in a constructive way ! Well done, Sir ! Wish there were more like you !

The powers that be cannot possibly go easy on rogue clubs because of how fans feel. That's just being silly.

03 Jul 2012 12:52:01
green is trying to put a secreat deal together so we remain in spl but it says transfer ban will stand well am afraid with our squad we will strugle anyway so whats the point he was just saying yesterday that mccoist would be backed in the transfer market now he is trying do a deal where transfer ban stands mr green u need grow a pair and tell the fans the truth

03 Jul 2012 11:53:45
On tomorrows SPL vote, shouldn't we do an Ayr Utd? and abstain from voting on the grounds of conflict of interest?

No, why would we want to do that, if we are entitiled to vote, as we obvioulsy are, then vote,

JG

03 Jul 2012 11:44:15
just off the phone to the ticket office about my direct debit for season ticket , nothing will done just or no money will be taken from bank account till the decision is made which league division we will be in doug t.s.o

I see someone doesnt agree with me ,well phone them 0871 702 1972 ,thats the info i got from english girl on the staff ,by the way my seat is gf2 row s ,i made the call at 1130am today doug t.s.o {Ed039's Note - Doug ignore the agree and disagree buttons mate, they are a pain the jaxie)

03 Jul 2012 10:05:35
As a Celtic fan id like to thank SDM/white. If it wasn't for their mess id have to get on with supporting my own team.

No rangers games this season and ur tickets went up in price ,lawell's conned you's

And no new players in just out celtic will run away with spl but there average team will suffer the good players celtic have will leave to play in better leauges

03 Jul 2012 09:19:21
Are the wheels already grinding to a halt on the sporting integrity train as they tried to railroad rangers out of the SPL. I can�t believe Green is even thinking about accepting terms to clubs who are thinking about a u-turn on kicking Rangers out of the SPL, only because now they realise it�s their clubs that may face extinction. This has been scenario Rangers supporters have had to endure for the last few weeks. We would have to agree to a six point plan that includes a point�s deduction, the transfer embargo stays, and they two are enough to kill any chance of Rangers being competitive. We have already lost most of our team and wouldn�t be allowed to replace them, only 13 players turned up for training first day. We are out of Europe for three years but our gate money is to help other teams that are in the various competitions in Europe, some of the very teams that have been battering the Ranger�s naughty boy for weeks. Why don�t they give us clarity we all know the answer but they won�t come out and say it. We hate you, we don�t want you ever having a chance of winning anything, we would like to continually kick you in the teeth, but can we still have the money you will generate. The bullied become the bullies. Charles Green should tell them to go forth a multiply. If he does that I for one will be backing him. It may be a totally different SPL we find ourselves in if we move up from third, and I for one will laugh.

03 Jul 2012 08:34:07
If Rangers have to accept a transer ban then we will have 2 subs all of next season.

And go without injuries all season.

That's why rangers should go to sfl 3 , I would not be happy accepting those penalties. If green goes with those penalties I will not be re-newing my season ticket .

OP this was our squad last season, think we could get 11 plus some subs out of this even counting out those who have gone. If there is no decent young talent among that lot then we need to ask WHY?

RANGERS SQUAD: GOALKEEPERS
•Allan Mcgregor •Neil Alexander •Scott Gallacher •Grant Adam •Alan Smith •Sam George

RANGERS SQUAD: DEFENDERS
•Dorin Goian •Kirk Broadfoot •Sasa Papac •Lee Wallace •Steven Whittaker •Carlos Bocanegra •Kyle Bartley •Ross Perry •Christopher Hegarty •Tom Skogsrud •Kim Skogsrud •Anthony Marenghi •Adam Hunter •Gregor Fotheringham •Josh Robinson •Jordan Wilson

RANGERS SQUAD: MIDFIELDERS
•Lee Mcculloch •Maurice Edu •Steven Davis •Matt Mckay •Alejandro Bedoya •Jamie Ness •Gordon Dick •Andrew Mitchell •Rhys Mccabe •Kamil Wiktorski •Ewan Mcneil •Robbie Crawford •Adel Gafaiti •Lewis Macleod •Jack Werndley •Robbie Mcintyre •Matthew Clarke •Callum Gallagher •Andy Murdoch •Darren Ramsay

RANGERS SQUAD: FORWARDS
•Kyle Lafferty •Steven Naismith •David Healy •Sone Aluko •Salim Kerkar •Andrew Little •Kane Hemmings •Kyle Mcausland •Callum Wyllie •Freddie Espling •Jamie Burrows


JG

After tomorrows vote it's div3 and 12 more players walk. Then the players will be div3 freebee guys.

02 Jul 2012 23:38:04
Fellow bears I suggest when we get back to spl all fans and fans groups get together and agree to take only 200 to away matches as this would cost clubs more than wat they would receive in gate receipts as they would have to provide policing, section of stand, catering etc...just a thought? What yous think?

I just wish for once somebody would show some compassion for the impossible position Rangers have put the SPL clubs in. What's the point in wanting your once great club back in the SPL if you will simply use it as a catalyst for your bile. Grow up.

Shug

So the next time we goto parkhead we take 200 fans, can't see that happening.

Disagree, i would not like to see us organising boycotts against other clubs, i would rather the decision whether to buy a ticket from e.g dundee utd, should be left to individual bears, who can then decide if they want to stump up more than other clubs fans to visit tannadice, by the way if they send us down the other clubs will have suffered by the time we come back up, make no mistake about that.
One thing does worries me though, i really hope that all the animosity that has been built up over the last few months does not escalate when the football begins

JG

JG

How about this for a way out idea. If rangers fans want to follow their team home or away they do it?

Very intelligent I don't think

Whose fault is it that your Club is in such a mess?

You remind me of the child and lollipop syndrome

Well up till now threats and boycotts have only made us more unpopular and have had the opposite effect from that foreseen by the likes of Sandy Jardine and co, so while I can see where you're coming from, I strongly disagree. BB

Would you please stop posting stuff like this?
We are turning all the other clubs against us with plans like this just when we need their support to stay in football!

I'ts SPL fans(as well as the others)that don't want you.How you going to get them together?They are together-they don't want Rangers in any form.

What makes you think you'll ever get back in the SPL

The reason that all SPL games involving Celtic and Rangers(IL) were ticketed were so that an appropriate level of policing could be arranged. Clubs will not be losing out because they paid for enough police for a 3,000 crowd and only 200 turn up. Get real.

Oh my god? do we ever learn ? lets boycott etc etc etc no wonder we get such a hard time from others . Just for once look at this in an unbiased way and get on with the real matter which is a game of football. We have been punished for what our owners/managers/players have doNE over the years in OUR NAME without a care for others. We think WE ARE SCOTISH FOOTBALL but unfortunatly we were wrong and as they say THE CHICKENS HAVE CAME HOME TO ROOST. So lets do the right thing for once , ask for a place in the Third as is per the regulations and then take it from there. Lets build the broken bridges on the way with the rest of Scottish Football.
If not, i can only see disaster staring us in the face, because lets be honest everything no matter what MOVES ON and in time they will move on without US they may struggle for a time but within a short number of years they will re-bulid and just get on with the game, where will we be then ,,,,,, sitting in our IVORY TOWERS still passing judgements i hope not.

02 Jul 2012 22:17:00
CHARLES GREEN says any questions about his stewardship of Rangers and the direction the club is heading in under him will be answered in the next seven days.

SPL clubs are due to formally vote on whether the club is granted access back into the top flight as a new company at Hampden Park on Wednesday.

Several have already announced they will rule against Gers and with an eight-to-four majority in favour of the Ibrox outfit required, acceptance looks highly unlikely at present.

Should the Light Blues be unsuccessful, it will then be determined whether the Light Blues will be admitted to the SFL instead and at what level.

Green knows he hasn't told supporters everything they want to hear as yet but maintains that has been with good reason and he has chosen his words carefully.

But he admits the time is coming to speak clearly and at the right moments and is looking for fans to remain patient for a little longer.

Green has this evening spoken exclusively to .tv and you can see his interview for free now by registering at the website if you have not already done so.

He said: "People who know me well say I talk too much but in reality the fans are angry here because I haven't said enough.

"It's because I haven't answered all the questions but over the next seven days, all the questions will be answered.

"I will always understand why the fans are worried because of the Craig Whyte situation and issues before that with David Murray. That's not going to disappear overnight.

"It is still frustrating, nevertheless, but there are times when we can't say anything because it could prejudice what is being discussed and what is talked about behind the scenes.

"There's far too much of Scottish football being played out in the media rather than being played out in the boardrooms.

"Having come through the pain Rangers fans have in the last four months, having to wait another seven or eight days isn't too much to ask in my mind."

Green has spent much of the last fortnight speaking to chairmen of other SPL clubs to outline why he feels Rangers should be kept among Scottish football's elite.

And he feels people are now in a better position to make decisions with an enhanced understanding of the economic effects relegating the Light Blues would have.

Green added: "I know the chairmen will listen. The problem some of them have to a lesser degree than I have here is fan pressure.

"I said to a number of them over the weekend that if they're concerned about their fans, they should come to Ibrox for a week and sit in my chair.

"Fans are the lifeblood of all clubs and without them we have no product so we have to engage with them.

"A lot of the decisions that are going to be made in the next seven days are going to be made by other people.

"Rangers have clearly got some input into the decision-making process and the team and I are going to present to the SPL chairmen on Wednesday.

"We'll put forward our case that we think needs looking at. We think the important thing is Scottish football and we need to draw a line and move forward.

"There is now a clearer understanding of the implications of football without Rangers because remember, this is not just about Rangers not being in the SPL.

"Lord Carloway may even just withdraw the licence to play at all if we go back to the tribunal.

"There are some big decisions and none are more material than Rangers being excluded from the league and the financial incomes this club drives for the benefit of all Scottish clubs."

J

Ps well put by green, he seems like he has been doing a bit of negotiating with other spl clubs, you never know

Whats he gonna do about a licence? As of this moment sevco dont qualify.

"There is now a clearer understanding of the implications of football without Rangers because remember, this is not just about Rangers not being in the SPL"

So Charles Green is suddenly a Scottish footbal guru and has all the nous to tell the rest of the SPL exactly which way its bread is buttered. Charles Green the saviour of Scottish football.

02 Jul 2012 22:10:10
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THE shape of things to come will be decided by close of play Wednesday. We should know by then if Scottish football has been big enough to edge back from the brink.

For months now there has been a savagery. The game has been ripping itself apart all in the name of fair play. Or was it sporting integrity?

Forgive me, the reasons for the crisis that threatens to destroy Scottish football have been lost somewhere in the lust to tear and shred one club. It's as though a century of hatred and probably jealousy have erupted.

And the handful of reasoned souls left in the game are fighting a losing battle to cap the flow.

The trouble is too many men with influence have been working not for the good of the game but to selfish agendas. They've done bad things in the name of morality.

They've abused their privileged positions and if there was any decency left in the sleazy, tacky football world they inhabit they would not be allowed inside Hampden this or any other week.

The dishonourable posing as protectors of the game's integrity by making up laws and punishments as they go along.

By arguing and pressing for more severe punishments and demanding that Rangers newco be stripped of titles and trophies won in the EBT years by another business entirely, they are inflaming and prolonging an agonisingly painful and damaging period. Anyone who believes that stripping the old Rangers of baubles will help solve this meltdown should be ignored, pushed aside because we are way beyond bragging rights.

We, Scottish football, are on the brink of total collapse.

Those who are consumed by petty matters and the settling of old, ancient scores have made it harder to find the solution, the compromise agreement that's badly needed.

One day the truth about the subterfuge, deception, and downright spitefulness used to prolong this saga might be told but right now those who are trying to save what is left of the game need to be given space.

And hopefully the right and sensible decisions will be made when the SFL and SPL meet tomorrow and Wednesday respectively. Everything, the game's fate and Rangers' chances of survival never mind revival, depends on these leagues of gentlemen, if of course they do meet tomorrow.

The situation is critical yet it seems we have two clubs threatening to block tomorrow's meeting. Stenhousemuir and Alloa have an objection. God help us.

Hopefully the meetings will go ahead and if honesty and common sense prevail we might just begin to emerge from the darkness and see clearly who is working for the game and who is working for themselves.

We might also notice that in our rabid rush to condemn and stone Rangers we have stumbled to the very precipice of catastrophe.

Another misguided step or irrational utterance and Scottish football will be in total free fall so tomorrow the SFL must do one of two things.

Either they decide to let Rangers newco - who already know they don't have the support of enough SPL clubs to get the share that would let them begin again at the top - kick off in the First Division or the way is cleared for them to start in the bottom tier.

But research has shown the game will lose £16million if Rangers are dumped in the Third Division and frankly that would be too great a loss to an already impoverished business.

Supporters, of course, are entitled to be heard but the question is this: Are fans - forget the ones who can't see beyond their own hatred - willing to see what they believe to be justice done no matter the cost or consequences?

What if their justice means Scottish football would be reduced to a truly moribund state that would make recovery impossible?

What if their idea of fair play meant our game would be forever locked out of the big boys' playground?

Morals and integrity are fine but we must all be sure we can cope with the fall out, which would be considerable.

Clubs will cut right back on numbers as we're already seeing with Hibernian who have just paid off Pat Fenlon's deputy Billy Brown.

Players and wages will be next, although the first real casualty is more likely to be youth development.

Mark my words, clubs are already being squeezed by their banks who have seen Lloyds get out with all of their money back from Rangers. The other lenders also want shot of their football clients and they'll be imposing tougher repayment plans on clubs, who will use these demands as excuses to make swingeing cuts on their budgets.

If they are asked to reduce spending by £300,000 a year they'll make it £600,000 and blame it all on Rangers.

But even by making savage cuts, a number of clubs will still go bust. This will be the true price of sporting integrity.

And when the doors are being padlocked let's have no wailing or tears because too many clubs saw Rangers' insolvency as an opportunity to promote their own agendas.

Yet what good has that done any of them, apart from allowing them to invade the moral high ground for a short while. Now, though, as they hobble down having broken their toes through kicking Rangers they are suddenly confronted with reality.

They have the power to deny this new club any chance of life but they'll be condemning themselves to a miserable, empty future. Without the millions a healthy Rangers and their fans help generate, Scottish football will decline rapidly. All credibility at home and abroad will be lost.

If this is what we wish then fine, deny Rangers an SPL share on Wednesday and SFA membership when the Appellate Tribunal sits again to decide a punishment acceptable in the eyes of the real law. If this is what upholding fair play means then let's go for it.

Let's take decisions tomorrow and the next day that will chime with whatever our notions of integrity are and kill the game.

After all, we can't put a price on justice, especially in football where justice is something to be kicked around without finesse or direction.

Of course justice should be about fairness and handing down punishments that reflect the nature of crimes committed. It should always be about observing the law according to the rules and principles written down. But that's the problem with applying justice in a morally bankrupt game.

Nothing seems to be written down. If it is there in black and white no one can understand it.

The SFL have called in lawyers to make sense of their own articles ahead of tomorrow's meetings and, of course, the SFA spent a couple of years revamping their own codes, leaning heavily on the finest legal minds. Yet, when a transfer ban on Rangers was imposed it was kicked out in Edinburgh's Court of Session.

It's a grotesque farce and one club chairman had to remove himself from the entire business yesterday. He had to plod along a west-coast beach in the wind and rain to try and clear his head.

The game is pulling itself apart because some want to settle old scores with Rangers while others strive only to make the most of the problems and strengthen their own positions.

Okay, but what's the point in being powerful within a game that will soon have no real significance beyond its own boundaries?

But here are a few questions those 'just' men should ask themselves as they file into their meeting rooms on Hampden's sixth floor over the next couple of days:

Is losing all credibility, standing in the game, SFA licence, SPL share and being treated with the utmost contempt not punishment enough?

No?

Then ask yourselves this:

Is going out of business, struggling to emerge as a newco without fan support and being banned from playing in Europe for three years and being branded pariahs not punishment enough?

If the answer is still no then there is no justice.

And there is no hope. The game, and not just Rangers, will be doomed.

Traynor scaremongering because Traynor is scared he won't have a job. No more exclusives from Rangers! Traynor doesn't get exclusives from Celtic!

OP, should you not make it clear that these are Jim Traynor's word. Otherwise it appears that you are passing them off as your own and there is a name for that.
Al

While well written and fairly pragmatic the fact remains that you are pleading that Scottish football turns a blind eye to a club that had nothing bar contempt for a number of rules within the Scottish game and AGAIN, will you please all stop blaming the two big boys that ran away (Murray and Whyte). You all cheered merrily when they both unfurled league flags at Ibrox. "They have done things in the name of morality." True, but it's an improvement on "they have done things in the name illegality." "They've abused their privilege" (We are still talking about Rangers ex-chairmen here aren't we?). I don't think stripping Rangers of titles will end this fiasco either but if it is good enough for Juventus then if it is seen as a fit punishment (and I think prima facie suggests there is) then so be it.
"Subterfuge, deception and downright spitefulness" (again I'm thinking more Rangers here than anyone else.)
I am amazed that countless Rangers fans either ignored or didn't heed the signs regards Murray's crumbling empire nor didn't take on board suggested concerns over Whyte. You sell a company for a £1 it is not going well. You hear endless rumours of Whyte being not fit for the job, again not a jot of concern. Yet suddenly, the entire Rangers fan base are experts on the running of not one but forty two clubs in Scotland, remarkable! There are numerous reports regards the impact of this to Scottish football, The Scotsman said a £5.8m loss for the SPL clubs using a very rational criteria. I have no idea what the impact will be, the truth of the matter is neither does anyone else. The extremely fickle Scottish football loving public may well respond favourably to Rangers being seen to be punished to the full extent for their misdemeanours. I know lots of non-old firm fans who never set foot in either Ibrox or Celtic Park when their club play at either, it's fair to say Dens Park would perhaps profit from that. A potential six horse race for second place, that cant be bad for the SPL. So the money issue is certainly not nailed down to the penny regards the overall loss.
"No matter the cost of consequences". My question is, how much worse would Scottish football look if it did nothing? Pragmatic or not, it gives Celtic a green light (forgive the pun) to do the same in a few years time, knowing full well that along with Rangers we are indispensible and therefore can do what the hell we want. And I say that as a Celtic fan and I would be ashamed if they were tempted in that regard. For all their dominance I cannot for one second believe that La Liga would not come down appropriately on either Barcelona or Real Madrid under similar circumstances and lets face it regards dominance and impact on the domestic game Spain is about the closest model to Scotland that there is. Sadly the football bears no comparison.
Regards the justice part at the end and the three years without Europe sentence, not one club, not one chairman inflicted that on Rangers, well I lie actually, Rangers did it and Craig Whyte did it. If Charles Green had a pound for everytime it has been pointed out that these were not punishments but consequences of Rangers financial mismanagement then it's fair to say a bid for Messi would be forthcoming from Govan.
Long before this fiasco it has been said Scottish football was on the path to oblivion, so clearly the current model doesn't work, who knows maybe something as extreme as this might just be the shot in the arm that it needs, I don't know but what I do know is it is utterly doomed if a club, any club, can be seen to be too big to punish, despite their already brutal self-inflicted wounds.
Gaz

Agree with Traynor for once, i think he has called it right this time

JG

Going out of buisness and struggling to emerge as a newco does not equal punishment. Its a consequence of your clubs own actions, brought on yourselves by those that ran your club. Punishment for what now apperas to be at least a decade of cheating should and will follow.