Rangers Banter Archive March 03 2012

03 Mar 2012 23:45:33
ally aint no manager ghbear

03 Mar 2012 22:53:00
Just like to say well done to paulo sergio. Even though his team just ended their win drought e refused to put the boot in to the gers..billy the bear...

And why would he put the boot in?

I've heard paulo interviewed like 3 times an each time he's been asked he as always said something positive about us, fair play Paulo "nay brooz"

03 Mar 2012 22:30:19
Ed what's your take on liquidation by that I mean does our trophy count start at zero if a newco is formed and I heard the 5 stars would be removed from our tops is that true? {Ed001's Note - it depends on how it is done. Leeds seem to have managed to do it and keep their history, though usually it is a completely fresh start and everything is all fresh and new.}

How did Leeds manage it ed? Where they given leeway somehow mate? {Ed001's Note - I am not sure, the hows, whys and wherefores got lost in the dirty dealings of Kenneth 'Master' Bates. I am not sure what exactly happened there anymore, it is very murky, I am not sure anyone knows, possibly someone in Bermuda might have a better idea!}

Well, if murky dealings are what is the orfer of the day, then Rangers will be well prepared given their last two owners.

Was it also publicised in the media that Fiorentina managed to buy their history as an asset when the newco was formed? {Ed001's Note - no idea, I try and avoid looking into Italian football, the corruption involved hurts my head. Nothing is as it seems there.}

I don't think Leeds went into liquidation therefore they didn't cease to exist. {Ed001's Note - actually they did cease to exist as the old Leeds United after failing to reach a CVA in 2007. The parent company was bought out by a newco called Leeds United 2007, who were allowed to take over the previous club's entry into the Football League, but were given a 15 point penalty due to their closeness to the previous administration.}

To add to Ed001's note, remember that Leeds were dealt with by the Football League in England: there's no guarantee that the football authorities in Scotland would deal with Rangers in the same way. Same goes with the Fiorentina case - different legislative bodies will deal with matters differently, just look at disciplinary procedures for on-pitch offences as an example. Therefore, it might not be a good idea for Rangers fans to get their hopes up based on the two aforementioned cases.

1903 {Ed001's Note - good point.}

03 mar 2012 21:51:08
i'm rangers till i die!!
and if we end up playing on the streets-
i for one will be supporting from the paths!

w.a.t.p!
jk-denny-

Well said mate. With u 100%.
dtp89

This type of triumphalistic language is ridiculous and totally laughable. Have a good look at yourself ya tube.

Yous would bump the road tax for that aswell

03 Mar 2012 21:47:55
Just a point on the Dumferlime issue. Lets suppose that instead of Rangers, St Mirren had visited East End Park, how much would have they made from visiting fans? Certainly no way near £80k more like £8k ( if their lucky) so whose fault would failure to pay their wages be. Instead of blaming Rangers other clubs should look at their own finances first

So if you were a tradesman in financial difficulties and had done a job worth £800 and the client didn't pay you wouldn't blame them but prospective clients who might only want smaller jobs worth £80?

Use your brain.

The difference is St Mirren would of taken 500 tickets and paid for them Rangers took 4000 and didnae pay for them. Wake up and drag your head out the sand , tick tock.....Stevie

What a stupid post

Point being made here is the other clubs rely on Old Firm fans money to survive not the money owed by Rangers. Were Dumferlime relying on the rangers fans to pay their bills

The other clubs would just cut their cloth accordingly without Rangers - they expected that money and had budgeted for it so are struggling without it. If they hadn't budgeted for it, it wouldn't matter.

Ffs Dunfermline gave you 4000 tickets that the club asked for and sold to yourselfs but didnt pay Dunfermline, stop looking to blame every f****** but youselves.......Stevie

" Instead of blaming Rangers other clubs should look at their own finances first"

DAFC's finances depend on projections that include RFC paying up . But you kept the cash . Disgusting behaviour by your club .

Eh Ed001 ?

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jimi88 {Ed001's Note - the worrying thing is that they are not budgeting for any shortfalls, they are living hand to mouth and that is a serious error on the part of a business that has been going that long. This is why so many football clubs are in trouble.}

" they are living hand to mouth "

Yep , just like all scottish clubs . That , in its self , should be enough of a reason to pay other clubs what their due . RFC helped to kill off Airdrie , surely morals would prevent this from happening again , unless the club are bereft of said morals .

jimi88

03 mar 2012 21:03:57
listening to radio snide today what is it with mark guidi never anything good to say about our club total doom and gloom merchant total t**t.

Okay,the floor is your's,say something good.

Its been a long time since I've heard anyone say anything good about your club! What exactly do you want to hear? Get a grip man...!

What is there good to say.

Err..it's handy for the motorway? thats all i got.

As a Jags fan i didnt go often to Babylon....but the pies were reasonable as I recall. Not as good as Falkiks though.

03 Mar 2012 19:39:28
ED what happens to this forum if we go under? {Ed001's Note - I have no idea, I have never given it any consideration.}

It will be a good opportunity to start an antiques forum. {Ed001's Note - I did deal in antiques for a while....}

It will become the ex rangers forum where you can gather and remember the good old days.

Or there would be a pheonix forum.

Or a Tesco, Edmiston Drive forum

Or an asda edmiston dr forum

We'll still be here. Hopefully the Celtic fans will be gone elsewhere. Probably on conspiracy talk about how they havnt been invited to the EPL yet. CheltBlue

03 Mar 2012 20:31:11
To all you so called rangers fans! you all make me sick get of allys back! do you think any manager could have got a win today, all the players are s**tting themselves that come monday the will be out of a job. could you put that fear out your head and give what it takes to win a match! i think not! i personally couldn't give a s**t wither we win or loose all that matters is the survival of our get club! your negativity is not helping any and you have the cheek to call yourself rangers fans! a fan is someone who sticks by the manager and players through the good and the bad! they certainly don't get on the mangers back when at a time like this results aren't going the way anyone wants them! its not the mangers fault, its not the players fault! of course all this background mess is going to be affecting what's happening on the pitch, once we get through this i cant wait to see you eat your words when ally goes on to be one of the greatest managers in rangers history! Support our manager, support our players and support our club in there time of need! do not make things worse with your pathetic criticism! those of you who are..... your not true rangers men

IN ALLY WE TRUST......... RANGERS TILL WE DIE

Totally agree with you m8 kenny bluenose

He aint good enough an in ally u trust it shd be

TB

Rubbish.they are paid to play football.and ally is paid to manage.none of which is happening at the moment.le guen was hounded out for less while he was trying to change the whole system at the club.legend or not ally should not be exempt from answering questions.the players? what is the worry? another club,another big signing on fee,you really think they have money troubles? young players exempt of course.

Well said poster at this moment our survival is more important than anything else and Ally is toiling true but can anyone blame him he's even offered to work for nothing. The season is finished, and to be honest I think it would be an achievment equal to nine in a row to just be kicking off on the first day of next season in our present guise, that should be our aim and think about it that would really stick in the craw of our enemies both football and journalistic. Best quote I've seen from last week was
"I am wounded,but I am not slain.l shall lay me down and rest a while,and then I will rise and fight again " .

This is when all that empty kissing the jersey bulls**t comes into play, the team and management has failed the supporters of this club ,they should be apoligising to the fans, and taking the wage cuts offered to save the club, if they dont they are as culpible as whyte murray and the rest of the old board !

Do you not realise that the reason you are in administration is mainly down to McCoist?

the fact is, if he was good enough, you'd have been in europe, and the 10m 'black hole' would never have been an issue. whytey boy didn't pay tax because there was no money from europe coming in, and by not paying tax, ensured that the club could continue till today.

so, everyone backing 'super' ally...remember this, and he had a title winning team to start with as well.....not so 'super' eh?

taco

03 Mar 2012 19:45:34
Right 'peepel' let's put this "we don't do walking away" p!sh to bed now it's a clear fact that you do not even turn up to walk away 3000 less fans than your last home game and at a time when your need the money! And a half empty stadium at full time what a joke.

Aye, but 300,000 worldwide are all going to chip in £100 a head to save the club. You've just got to laugh.

I thought it was 3 million worldwide chipping in £10

03 Mar 2012 18:01:19
As if we are not in enough trouble most of the fans make it worse by singing all tho old sectarian bile. I,m afraid we are a lost cause.

Just like Inverness last week it is not a couple of fans singing. This is the way our fans feel about things. Not saying it is right but if you where in Manchester most of the fans songs that day where the same. Also its the same fans we are asking to save our club.

Thats why we will never get into any other league or gain decent sponsors,etc,and that goes for celtic aswell. Wish the knuckle draggers on both sides would grow up

Sponsors?.. Have u heard the racist abusive chants that EPL fans sing?
Dtp89

There wasn't anything sectarian getting sung today.

I have to disagree - my mate was at the game and texted to say there was sectarian singing amongst other distasteful songs.

1903

Dtp89, you make it sound like racist chanting is commonplace in the EPL. I know there have been some high-profile cases of late and it remains a problem but it's not like the sectarian singing up here.

1903

03 Mar 2012 17:37:04
Just want to say guys, we the gers are really just human! once again they will be bears out there that will curse and moan but we are not a DOMINANT force (ANYMORE) be lucky to finish 2nd now, but guys if liquidation happens then all fans should get behind the newco! cos am thinkin it will be called GLASGOW rangers so we will still be rangers after all guys, liquidation is sounding the better idea to solve our problem! financially, division 3. our youth players can handle it am sure so we will not fork out money for new players. stewie

What about the 140 years.

Am sure there will be somethin that the new owner can buy the rights for our name badge and history like leeds done, but it maybe not be a good idea or would it ed? . stewie {Ed001's Note - there are ways to do it, but I believe that the creditors get some input in the decision and the buyer must be closely connected to the original company in some way. I am not 100% on that, or what the connection has to be if so, but that might end up leaving the club in the hands of Whyte, which I am not sure any of you would want would you?}

Obv not ed mate, he's hurted this club in so many ways so what makes people think that he won't do it with the “newco“ because i think once he thinks he's not goin to be makin more money he will end up doing the same again to make a quick buck, i dunno maybe a fresh name, fresh finance and a clean club which if it was fan owned it would be one of the most supported club in scotland by getting run properly (LOYAL BEAR) {Ed001's Note - if it was me, I would either want the club to stay as it was or start a fresh new one. Obviously the best solution is for the club to stay as it is, cut costs and pay off the creditors. But a fresh, all new club, owned and run by the fans along the lines of FC United or AFC Wimbledon, well it is not such a bad thing. It would give everyone a chance to actually be a member of the club, to get involved in building it from the ground up.}

03 Mar 2012 17:19:30
We,ll miss you Glasgow Rangers,and the stories we will tell: Of how Celtic came from heaven and you lot came from hell: And when they pull down Ibrox and I think it's going to come: It's hectors way of saying you should have done your sums: As brick by brick it crumbles and your iron gates crash down, Just think of our wee Fergus and how he turned us round: when every brick has fallen and and nothing more is left, You'll hear the taxman whisper that's the price you pay for theft!

We won't crumble. And in the unlikely event that we do. We WILL be back. We don't do walking away.
Dtp89

Many Rangers fans did walking away today. Maybe they couldn't bear to watch...

You do realise this walking away stuff is making you look very silly?

Some ppl are really thick. Im not even going to justify this by explaining how youse are wrong. We look stupid? In the words of you're very own NL.. Take a good look at yourselfs!
Dtp89

You look stupid claiming you don't do walking away then your stadium begins to empty after 80 minutes - that's funny because of the not walking away guff.

Take a look at yourselves? what are you on about?........green jhedi

Lol nothin really GJ just at the wind up still a bit hung over. We dont do walking away = it just means I'll amqats support them, obv ppl have to physically walk away at times haha. And yes you're right ppl did leave early which I'm not particularly happy about. No arguing there

Dtp89

03 Mar 2012 17:11:55
another dire result today against a team who are in similar circumstances. ally is clueless and the squad is minse. i will be glad to see the back of some of these players.

Well onside ring the preparation ths week was just ridiculous, how can you pick a team and prepare when only yesterday at tea time you knew who the players are. Also these administrators are enjoying the limelight do we really need a press conference before every home game.

Here we go, another one to add to the blame list: it's the administrators' fault!

Well Lennon is blaming the schedule for his teams draw, I thought they had a big enough squad to cope, guess not.

Lennons well in front and only said it was not ideal.........green jhedi

03 Mar 2012 17:05:36
So it would seem money can't buy you love after all, no spirit, no faith and no hope, players might be up for the chop, but are doing themselves and our club no favours by playing as poorly as they did today, seems like the fight is over for some people already

03 Mar 2012 16:51:31
In ally we trust.henke7

Lennon must go. NO WE ARE ALL NEIL LENNON. Lennon must go, I always said he was too inexperienced. NO WE ARE ALL NEIL LENNON. Hypocrisy?

No, just fickle fans - most football fans are the same.

03 Mar 2012 16:47:59
IS IT ANY WONDER WE ARE BITTER WITH REFEREEING LIKE THAT W.A.T.P ...jsm

As you used to say to us they will even out over the season

03 Mar 2012 15:20:26
Couple of points to make, firstly Celtic fans did NOT step up and save Celtic in 1994, you really should check your history. Celtic was owned by the Kelly and White families, shares changed hands between family members or were passed on to a chosen few. Ordinary fans could not buy any, the club eventually suffered due to a lack of investment by the old board and were on the brink and Fergus McCann stepped in and not only took over the club, he threw out the old board and used his own wealth to restructure its finances and got it into a reasonable shape financially. Fergus however openly stated he would recoup his outlay and leave; he shrewdly put the club into the public domain and offered ordinary fans the opportunity to own a piece of the club similarly as existed at Rangers with a share issue. Fergus made a handsome personal profit over and above his outlay but he should be applauded, he did step up and play. Celtic had already been saved prior to the share issue so any claims that Celtic fans stepped in to save the club are false and Sh@te.
As for Rangers, the stark reality is the debt surrounding our club, Whyte knew the scale of it and I believe his game plan from day 1 was to eradicate it by admin then liquidation. The debt mountain not including the big tax case was and remains unsustainable, Whyte did and still does I believe have a game plan. He ensured the pieces where in place before he took over, hence the lengthy time of “diligence”. It is also inconceivable that other parties where unaware of his game plan, and I mean OTHER. Similarly to McCann he ousted any who stood in his way. What he did not foresee I believe was the scrutiny he would be put under by many and this I also believe may ultimately thwart his plans. Sadly, Rangers will be reborn now as a newco with no debt, new owners and a new share issue there is no other alternative. As for the saverangers.co, this is a non starter and would only delay the clubs demise, the current debt and liabilities are as I said unsustainable and do not include any further costs such as the big tax case which to be honest is now an irrelevance as the damage has been done. No one will invest in the club currently due to its current and potential liabilities. So to you Celtic fans, you really need to check your history and Rangers fans need to get a reality check, we are doomed

True,except that Brian Dempsey convinced Fergus Mccann there was a groundswell of celtic fans who would buy in(no pun intended) to a share issue.This was used to move the club forward,stadium,players etc.For me Rangers need a Dempsey figure to rally the fans and organize cash for the inevitable,as we both think,liquidation and share issue to follow.....green jhedi

03 Mar 2012 11:00:30
Guys there are still around 1500 tickets unsold for todays game, thats is around 30k in revenue. If you still not got a ticket get 1 and help support the club.

03 Mar 2012 09:32:24
Is it just me or should we not be doing more. I hate to say this but if this was happening across the city the fans would be protesting outside anywhere involved in this affair. Now I'm not advocating unrest as we have to much dignity but the time is now to get off our butts and save this proud club because NO MEGA RICH SUIT is going to save Rangers, its only hope is the fans. I was in manchester and watched 200000 fans come together for a match, now thats a crowd that CANT be ignored. If we are LIQUIDATED every one of you will NEVER be allowed to forget it by our opponents. My grandad took me to my first game and was proud when he told me of the history, i hoped to one day do the same with mine. Im afraid we might have to say WE were the generation that watched it die. I say again I don't want any fan to behave in a manner that would bring shame on our club but I think its time we took back the headlines and took back our club. In times of crisis people will try anything if the cause is worth it, bloody hell we have a fifty thousand seater stadium sitting empty for 13 days out of 14. Is there no one out there with an idea to make money?

If celtic were in same situ, they would still have a big ta case hanging over them. No- o ne will come near us until that is resolved one way or another.

We will wait till its to late

Celtics problems were of a different kind.We had to remove directors who treated us like a piggy bank,but we were a private company in debt.Rangers are accruing massive debt on a daily basis and have the nightmare tax case unresolved.We only needed a get out for the crooks that ran us then,and a wee guy in a bunnet cleared the debt and gained control.No massive potential tax liabilities,no escalating debt and no administration.More importantly no con man working to an agenda most fans dont want.good luck,i think you might need it...........green jhedi

Rangers situation is far more complicated than the Celtic issue from years ago,there are revelations on a daily basis ,plots, sub plots , missing money, claims counter claims , until some sort of clearer picture emerges how can you expect any Rangers fan to come forward and make a financial gesture, the way things are panning out that would probably end up in the pockets of an administrator ,liquidator or exterminator.To all Gers fans sit tight keep your money in your pocket until we get some guarantee of where its going .Finally, Hugh Adam I hope you can sleep well in your bed at night , a well paid member of staff who could easily have blow the whistle if he knew something was wrong but no he waits to our football club is on it's knees and then aims a well polished brogue to the rib cage , for his sake he better have the evidence to back up his claim.
RS

This is nothing to with Celtic's problems this needs to be about what RANGERS, OUR CLUB means to US. In recent weeks I have paid for people who wanted to go the games to show their support but couldn't afford it, to go to the games. I have pledged what money I (my family) can afford. The truth is it all adds up to nothing and the feeling of helplessness is overwhelming. For the time being the quality of the football can take a back seat, results can take a back seat what needs to be to the fore is the fan's support and loyalty. 200,000 people in Manchester - where are they now? What we need is an opportunity to rally again to show beyond all doubt the strength of the fans feelings about the systematic betrayal of this great club and all it symbolized for the ordinary fan. Support the players, they may not be the best we have seen but they are OUR players, support the TEAM, support the CLUB and BADGE, support ALI and let Craig Whyte see what we think of his endless lies - We are the people, not him. Let those who have brought the club to it's knees hang their heads in shame but let's not let this Great Club die in shame. Let's let everyone know how special RANGERS are and let's not let a 140 year old dream end as a nightmare because of a few unscrupulous, unprincipled men who fell far short of the standards RANGERS were founded on.
Sit in at Ibrox, old footage on the big screens, sign a wall, nominal priced tickets to cover costs and a collection plate?

03 Mar 2012 02:06:43
why did rangers need to 'officially' go into administration? i mean the board members are obviously knowledgeable enough and its not like they dont have accountants etc, why couldnt they just make all these cuts and business transactions without declaring administration? what difference does it make to cut someones wages etc being in administration or not? something to do with contracts?

Cause HMRC was going to force Rangers into Administration.

Because CW tried to play chicken with HMRC. CheltBlue

....because Craig Whyte ran up a £9m PAYE debt. The guy is a fraud. His duty was to save the club, instead he ruined it.......

02 Mar 2012 23:53:42
When Rangers were winning trophies the Rangers Supporters Association, The Blue Order, The Rangers Supporters Trust want to bask in the glory of Ranger's success and take part in radio phone ins, give interviews, etc.

Where are these people now. We see them pop up on the occasional tv programme and hear that they are meeting with the administrators, potential investors, etc. But waht folows this, nothing.

Where is the engagement and communication with the fans. Where is their leadership in pulling the Rangers fans together under one umberlla and taking meaningful steps to help turn the club around. Where is that coordinated approach.

The last statement we heard from one of these bodies was for Rangers to keep all the tickets for the Old Firm game and sell them to Rangers fans. Is that the best they can come up with. Any punter down the pub can come up with that one. Pathetic, absolutely pathetic.

Rangers need leadership amongst the fans to bring the fans together to demand change and to help in any way they can. These bodies are failing to give this.

Who is there to challenge the next "billionaire" that wants to own Rangers. The fans need a representative to do this on their behalf, and not simply cross their fingers and hope it's all going to be okay.

Rangers fans are waiting ............. where are you so called representatives of the people when your leadership needs to be demonstrated and your voices heard.

Well guys was it worth trying to buy 9 in a row?
Hollow victories indeed.......and as for all the misguided fools buying tatoos of little stars on their arms etc.....how stupid do you look and feel as your stars have burned out .....oh dear.
A once proud club now destroyed by envy and greed, however, the bigger picture could be disaster for the SPL THANKS RANGERS for making a s**t league worse.

Typical of the kind of half wit voicing an opinion at the moment , Rangers are to blame for every ill in scottish football.It looks likely that we will go into liquidation but memories will last long and the weasel words of all that have taking advantage of our plight at the moment will be answered in the usual way by collecting more trophies,we have a 140 years of trophy winning to back that up and this is the reason behind the envy and jealousy dressed up as morality.

Your trophies stopped in 2012! We welcome the chase.