Rangers Banter Archive October 03 2013

 

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03 Oct 2013 16:27:59
a quick question wers George or the SOS does the accounts backup your theory's or have you's got it all totally wrong seems strange that none of them has been on to give us there views on the accounts

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The only reason we got accounts is because SOS started, please don't start slagging their work, after all what have you done? {The Ed039's Note - The only reason accounts were produced was because of George and mates? Give me strength FFS)

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@1 aye mate the SOS protest on Saturday the board bottled it then rushed the accounts so they could get them out for Tuesday if you honestly believe that then you need psychiatric help

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Is George and McColl the same guy? Because they both appear to go quiet at the same time and pipe up at the same time.
Patey at Ernst and Young? reckons there's cash until mid next season. So no need for George bust by Xmas panic. Prior confirms no cash worries and is behind board. So it's financial expert and genius versus George. Take yir pick?

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@1 FFS get a grip mate, I hope that was your bit of banter

JG

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@2 and 4 you doing anything to help rangers situation? Just a question, or you both part of the everything is going be fine gang.

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@5 I will be going to cast my vote as a shareholder at the AGM if that counts

JG

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Is the op not a valid point? Read it again and there is no slagging off. Credit to George and SOS but out of interest what is their take on the accounts? Not being petty, just interested in every angle.

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To above posts george was right now that the board can't work out where millions went they are indly taken a pay cut and mccoist is also taken pay cut reason being this mob came in for a killing now they realise they can make a killin every year they are asset stripers ffs waken up

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I, ll give you my veiw
i was on here as george lit the flame that will see this mob of spivs sent packing it was only a small flame but I hope it lights up the dark corners of what's going on in OUR club

i was a oneinten

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Surely these guys saved it with their own money and kept it running for 16 months now? When the previous lot ruined it and now want back.

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Even if George was barking up the wrong tree at least he got some of the support off their apathetic woe is me asses and tried to spark some interest in fighting for the club. Keiron Pryor seems to be more enthusiastic about the board but Gers fans who are accountants are taking a very different view of Stockbridge and Mather's line that things are under control. Wastage is still staggering according to these chaps- the costs of the IPO-£5.5million were £3-£4 million more than the norm. Mr Green earned enough to buy a Chateau and estate in Normandy. Being wrong is not a sin in my eyes- we have all been wrong before and will be again it's not caring enough that is the problem and no one can accuse George of that

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George here to answer some posts.

I was not shocked remotely by the size of the loss.

All that has happened is they are still being completely non specific on where exactly £30million pounds plus was spent.

I still stick to the fact these people will bleed us dry and most likely sell Ibrox and Murray Park.

What did SERIOUSLY surprise me was keiron priors analysis of the accounts.

I have the utmost respect for this guy on an intellectual level and he does appear to be the real deal as regards finance and business.

However his reading of the accounts as not that bad? I think reflects a little on his understanding of how a football club should be run as opposed to a 'standard' business runs.

Football clubs in general are not huge profit making businesses, certainly in the lower regions like Rangers find themselves.

Most clubs are run as a labour of love by people usually who support the team concerned.

The way the Rangers Board have run Rangers has been to pay massively disproportionate wages and sign vastly over qualified players to win the 2 lowest Scottish leagues.

My and MANY Financial analysts views is that Rangers should have been ran with a far tighter financial rein in place. The wage and bonus cuts now being brought in through the HELP of protests and publicity SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN PLACE FROM DAY ONE.

Had the salaries and bonuses been halved and had 6/10 less players been aquired for the task of winning 4th and 3rd tier leagues Rangers would have cut the defecit by £5/7million and as such the books would be far better balanced.

I would also argue that there is to date no clear breakdown of how exactly they managed to spend £30MILLION PLUS in the lowest levels of Scottish football?

Payoffs to players, old co debts and inflated salaries from board to Ally & pals DO NOT COME CLOSE TO £30MILLION POUNDS.

Keiron Prior seems to wash over the amounts on his view of the accounts taken from his strictly mainstream business minded perspective.

I as always actually HOPE I am wrong but when we continue to lose hundreds of thousands of pounds EVERY month even allowing for super ally's FORCED agreement of wage cut and board bonus on hold (how long for?) we will have nothing left far sooner that is being predicted and sadly Ibrox and MP sale is almost inevitable if the current board stay in power.

Still supporting Team and even Ally till he gets found out OR shocks us all and CAN manage lafs. Still supporting Board out. Still supporting SoS. yours in Rangers. george

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@9. So that's your view on accounts is it? Very informative. For the record personally I was expecting worse but am still concerned that the right things that have been achieved have been done in an expensive manner.

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04 Oct 2013 10:24:05
Why is everyone seemingly so "relieved" with the accounts? OK it looks like dave king was wrong and we've got enough to get us to the end of the season rather than the end of the year. But it's plain as day that a very very risky strategy has been adopted as we are going to need at least one if not two more share issues to raise cash before we get back to the top. Seems like russian roulette is still the game in favour despite the fact that the last board that played that (SDM) got the clubs head blown off. What makes me sick is that the boatd obviously think they can rely on the fans to dig deep to bail out the club, but they can't believe that the fans would buy STs unless we field a team of overpaid players. The comments on here since the accounts came out tend to confirm that sadly. "We're awright for a year, and jeez didn't we enjoy that 8-0. " Pathetic.

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@ George op here thanks for answering my post but everybody knows we should have been doing things cheaper then we've got patey from e&y who knows about football finance who said the money that's in the bank would take us to Christmas next year and he doesn't think there will be an admin 2

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Did this board announce in the prospectus that they would be using Wonga to bring in money
it has to be asked now who are blue pitch holdings ect ect
they brought in lots of money but shipped out a lot
from who? to who?

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@16 how wer does it say rangers used or are using wonga and how much have blue pitch holding brought in why pipe up with a post like this but no figures to go with it

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Maybe Prior like Charlottes fakes was all a big con to dupe us at all stages in the great robbery. I think Green and his masters are extremely good at what they do and are still in some respect pulling the wool over peoples eyes as they take the final monies before leaving. Who is the mastermind in all of this? doubt we will ever find out. the puppet masters dolls are getting their large pay checks as he takes the larger millions without becoming a face.

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I'm not 100% on this! but I've heard they have deferred the tax for last year! I agree with George I feel the experts opinion doesn't make sense.

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N10 these guys used season ticket money then ipo money to keep things ticking there is nowt to prove they put their own money in money came from investers that are not happy with how its working out get these guys to answer questions about our history then we would find out they know nothing about football greedy baserds only

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03 Oct 2013 15:53:34
Ed see my post about K. Prior
interview in paper has been
removed any reason for this?
billy h {The Ed039's Note - Because I didnt understand it, it said something about a Korean?? Repost again)

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Sorry ed must've pushed wrong key.
Was asking what fellow fans thoughts
were about Kieran Prior interview in D. R
were he says annual report was better
than he expected and mather should
be given a chance
billy h

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Prior has come out supporting the board. He also criticizes McColl saying Plc model means u need to buy shares to have a say. Hence priors 2. 5% not with McColl.
Neil Patey came out for board also stating money won't run out until mid next season when board might need to go to shareholders for more money. So no worries for a year?

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It was a good question billy and I noticed it had gone, repost I bet those who said he was the best thing since sliced bread back then may have a different opinion because of his assessment now

JG

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Dont know how Neil Patey has done it, but somehow he has created an image that everyone [particularily the media] believe he is some kind of guru and the only guy in the country that can discuss football finances.

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Just playing devils advocate here but I also wonder why all the belief in this Keiron Prior fellow? He appeared from nowhere as others have, had a lot to say early on then went quiet for ages until now. Not saying he's dodgy but why does everyone seem to have so much trust in him? I don't know what you all think but intelligence and being honest are not mutually exclusive. Has anyone even questioned his agenda?

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N5 I agree he came out of nowhere but I know he usually works as asset stripper that was what he done for a living before he turned up at ibrox

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If the board have rangers at heart why don't they work for say a year without wages after all they have took twice as much money as any other board at ibrox

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Why would the board work for free? They turned up with the intention of making money. They are not rangers fans nor do they have rangers at heart. Wake up. Glazers, gazidas levy Bruce buck all work for money. It's a job as well as an investment for these people. The amounts may be high but who works for nothing. Not me.

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Thanks for opinions lads, the way
I see it is as Rangers fans because
we have been done over once or
maybe twice in some fans eyes
its always going to be the case no
matter who is at the top that doubts
will always be there and god knows
how long but it will be a while before
we trust anyone with our club. only
my opinion.
billy h

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N8 there is 30 million pound unaccounted for that's not about investment that's about theft

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@10 so again. Who works for nothing? No one. And why should they?

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N11 they have facked rangers for 30million are you not worried about afairs at ibrox if I fecked someone for 30mill ime sure I would gladly work a year for nowt

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03 Oct 2013 15:37:36
How many fellow shareholders will be attending on the 24th? If any votes are on a show of hands your vote will count the same as all the others

I thought someone would be trying to rally the small shareholders vote considering the fans hold about 8%

JG

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03 Oct 2013 12:16:12
ally has got dunfermline game cancelled because he has 3 players on international duty

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That can't be serious? If that is the case then shows preferred treatment and shows that ally is no manager if he thinks he needs 3 players to play a game. Fans need to wake up!

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So what that's in the rules ac milan had to play celtic with 9 players out {The Ed039's Note - Were they out on international duty?)

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What the hell are you on about that is our right to have the game cancelled if we have player on international duty for god sake get a grip call yourselves Rangers fans it more like Rangers moaners

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Why is it preferred treatment? It is in the rule book, nothing to do with paranoia. Whether it was required is another matter.

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The rules allow teams to apply for cancellation if a number of players are away on international duty.

Rangers will be missing Wallace, Peralta and MacLeod and Andy Little & Dean Shiels are on standby.

Don't try and make it something it isn't.

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03 Oct 2013 17:38:37
no other team goes ahead with a game if they have players out on international duty so why should we?

tbh I feel people on hear just complain about anything its no big deal all that happens is it gets move so get a grip

MANDERSON 1872

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Jesus ed we are playing against joke teams are you for real or are you also sticking your head in the sand? wouldn't blame you though rtid {The Ed039's Note - And what would happen if Rangers lost? Do you not think there would be a blame game?? I am not saying the game SHOULD be called off, all I am saying is that the reasoning is there and should be respected)

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I am pretty p122ed of abot this, I live in Muir of ord paid for ticket £19, train £60 and hotel £40 all I will get back is my £19 for match ticket, I know it's in the rules but that's £100 down the drain!

Muir bear

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I don't see the point in explaining that teams with players on international duty have the right to have a match postponed as they have players away, too many of the people won't understand despite it being a simple logic, similar to all div1-3 teams were able to play trialists but we had preferential treatment apparently.

Gaz.

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Anyone with a brain will realise this game has been cancelled to stop the protests expected at the game which is at ibrox live on tv.

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OP, are you really sure ally got it postponed? I am not so sure as I think the current board would have heavily influenced the decision to cancel game because there was going to be more demonstrations at the game and the last thing they wanted was to have that at the last home game before the AGM also think some of the terminology used in the statement tonight towards malcolm murray is an absolute disgrace. I have been a supporter for 40 odd years and I despair at how low our represenntatives are stooping to preserve their jobs. Very sad. BT

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@10 what a load of rubbish. Why look for a conspiracy theory when one isn't there? If u had bothered to go on the clubs website a week or so ago u would have seen that when the club announced the sale of tickets they did state that the game may be called off due to the internationals. This was before the accounts came out and before the game at the weekend.
The manager has exercised his right to have the game cancelled as there are 3 players missing. The ED is right. If we had played the game and lost Ally would have got in the neck for not calling the game off. So it's a no win situation.

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@10 & 11 steady up, you are getting a bit carried away with those statements

JG

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What are we gonny do about that?

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@11 exactly which one of these is demeaning Murray

These are the facts:
Mr Murray was appointed by Charles Green on June 14 2012 to Sevco Scotland (now Rangers Football Club Ltd). There were no institutions in the Club then. The Club IPO was on December 19 2012 so it is grossly inaccurate to say Mr Murray was put there by said institutions to oversee corporate governance.
Mr Murray proposed Craig Mather to the board.
Mr Murray agreed Brian Stockbridge’s salary and bonus.
Mr Murray agreed Mr Green’s salary and bonus.
Mr Murray negotiated Mr Green’s compromise agreement and signed it off.
Mr Murray was removed from the Pinsent Masons investigation by the board after leaking information to a third party.

JG

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@12 dear dear people like you will never learn, are you still believing everything the board and club website say after the last 2 year's?

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So Ally does not apply for a cancellation and whoops. 3 points are lost. One lot will be slagging him for not being able to beat a load of part timers and the other lot will be saying he should have caancelled the game because some of his first choice players were on international duty. Can't win either way. Do I think he is the right man for the job, NO. Has he done the right thing, YES.
WeeMan

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@16 no I don't believe the board and I want to see them all removed I just don't buy the conspiracy theory about the Dunfermline game. The QOS game was cancelled weeks earlier due to the international call ups and no one complained then or weren't you aware of that?

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Take a look back the qos game was cancelled so bbc alba could show it.

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@19 no it wasn't it was postponed due to international call ups. Ally has already confirmed that this week when asked about the Dunfermline game. He is on record as stating he wanted the game cancelled as there could be as many as 12 players missing through international commitments. Don't know why people need to come on here and just make things up

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