Rangers Banter Archive September 03 2012

03 Sep 2012 21:14:42
I know some will say iam being stupid and childish but i for one will not be buying a ticket for the cup game against Motherwell as i do not wish to give a single penny to any SPL club. I will instead spend a little bit extra in the club shop for our next home game. I know i will be shot down for this but after whet the spl did to us i think that is the way i want to go.

What exactly did the spl do to rangers? They were liquidated and like every other club that this happens to, they have to start at the bottom. You got a poxy fine and a 1 year transfer embargo for robbing the tax payer of £120m. You should be dead and buried and would deserve to be for cheating continuously for a number of years. Its guys like you (and this does not apply to all decent gers of which I have many friends) that make us all glad to see the back of the club formally known as rangers.....martyc1888

OP you are being stupid and childish but that is your right to choose, by the way if you want to compensate the club for not buying a ticket then i reckon you need to spend about 40 quid in the shop, that is on the assumption that we make about 25% profit on anything we sell

JG

Get a grip mate! The SPL didn't do this to you, you're old board did this!

Grow up and get a life you make me ashamed to be a teddy bear
Bobby

Is this because your former club suffered the humiliation of liquidation and thus extinction?
Subsequently, SPL clubs and indeed the majority of SFL clubs decided to follow the rules and put the new entity, the Ibrox franchise, into the 4th tier where all new clubs start?

I really don't see why you're so butter , Rangers self destructed. No one else was to blame for the consequences but if it consoles your grief . . .

Why the big hatred for spl teams? The only ones to blame for rangers current situation are the previous owners- Murray/ whyte. If anything the other spl teams have taken the high road and retained sporting integrity.
Its time to take the blinkers off and stop blaming everyone else, get behind your team and continue to turn up in decent numbers as you have done so far- which is commendable - at the same time adding some much needed income to the smaller teams in Scotland. Maybe at the end of the three years in the footballing wilderness you might just regain a bit of sporting integrity and some honour for your down trodden team.

Jd

Sorry but I disagree with your view piont.
Yes both SPL & SFL clubs hung us out to dry and tried to use us as puppets.
But it was our so called leaders SDM & the other S#### that put us where we are now.
It,s a home tie and lets support our team maybe for the future boycott away fixtures to these teams but not just now when we are tring to rebuild.
We must be proud of the 46K of loyal supporters on Sunday Liverpool could not match it

Lets not turn out in numbers for this tie.

Support your team at home!
If it was an away game .. let them suffer!

A think that's fair enough mate. Your funding the club, can't ask for more. Ibrox will still sell out but haha, so you might as well come enjoy the game.

Dtp89

Time too move on rebuild forget just one thing u go on about us hatred of premier league teams .if you go their sites still spouting hatred of us and having endless digs so what do you expect

If newco was in SPL now... would they be able to compete and finish the season, they would have 25 point penalty to start....

And face beatings each and every week from real teams with real squads...

not bunch of free signings, and old boys...

Why do Celtic fans constantly say "YOU" cost the taxman £120m.
1. The case against the club hasn't reached a verdict and the fact it's taken so long will tell fair minded people that it's a very complicated issue.

2. Rangers supporters paid the VAT on their merchandise at the club shop and the players paid their PAYE. Whyte is the only person who is responsible for not paying any taxes and possibly Murray.

@1 since when did rangers owe 120 million get your facts right the taxpayer was owed 9 million

I'm going as I want to see the Gers smash em rotten!

@ 1),

Where did you get £120m from LMAO? How many more mythical numbers will you lot fabricate? Don't let your hatred for Rangers get the better of you bud. You don't have a Fleckin clue what your talking about.

Keep your interests on your own club. If you can't deal in facts don't bother posting your stupid comments.

TTG

For god sake m8 forget the spl and it's clubs,I for one shall be going to ibrox to support my team the rangers they need our backing and support forget the rest and leave them to squabble among themselves.

@13..."The Rangers supporterspaid the VAT on their merchandise" & "The players paid their PAYE"......Do you have a clue what you are talking about?
1st, once you've bought your replica kit the club then offsets the incoming and outgoing VAT, they then have to send that VAT money to the revenue...which your club seems to have failed to do.
2nd, The players dont pay their PAYE, the club makes a decuction from their salary and pays it across to the revenue...which your club seems to have failed to do..and dont even mention EBT's

@14: it was at least £16m. Then there's the tax and fines in the EBTs that Rangers appealed against, the verdict of which is still unknown.

But would it be OK if it was only £9m?

18 you are a real knobber for starters jjbs sold rangers kits and they paid the tax on this and the customer automatically has vat paid as part of the price as for players the tax is deducted from there wage by the owner of the company if he is corrupt that ain't anyone else's fault but the owners so let go of the hate and figure out this is the reality of the situation

03 Sep 2012 16:42:59
The Transfer Embargo imposed upon Rangers is if anyone
considers the Law Courts the ultimate decison makers ILLEGAL but if applied by the SFA deemed perfectly
LEGAL and its also fact that Rangers had two choices either accept it and get a licence to play football in the SFL or reject it and not be able to play football,really only one decsion
that Charles Green could make, with the reality being
that the SFA consider themselves above the Law.
What's the bets in the near future the SFA will list a
new rule proposal for inclusion in their ACTICLES OF
ASSOCIATION to include a Transfer Embargo being a
possible punishment for any club that defaults,because
it certainly does not exist at the moment.

OP aye but lets not drag up that dark episode for the SFA, we had to accept it so lets get on with it, lets stay focused on the football, could have been much worse if some parties in scottish football had got their ultimate wish

JG

We all know who the real power behind the throne at the SFA is. It's certainly not that useless tool Regan, thats for sure. Lawwell and Riley control the SFA, along with their 'pal' - Rod Petrie. That's where all the retrospective bright ideas have come from.

I think you are mixing up a soft punishment they tried to impose on OldCo (was not in the rules and overturned even though it was better than the other options - Bit dodgy) with the new made up rules for allowing a brand new, no accounts or nothing business to jump the queue and take their Place in the Scottish league ahead of good and honest people (very dodgy).

Hey ho, it's Rangers. Does nobody ever think about the creditors anymore? Sad.

Shuggy

The SFA can impose any sanctions they like for the licence. Therefore, it is not illegal. It is a condition of entry and the club has to accept or reject it. In the past clubs have been asked to post a bond to cover costs in the event that they are unable to fulfill a seasons worth of fixtures.
It wouldn't be a bad thing if they brought in a range of sanction and punishements to meet a range of things that could crop up.
Al

N0 2 ... i agree we all now who is the power in the spl its lawwell ...AND DONT YOU FORGET IT ...we are the spl

03 Sep 2012 17:09:14
Emilson Cribari Must Go. They Guys Noy Gona Make The Grade With Us. Like A Rabbit In The Headlights

Gee the guy a break offs, he didn't seem bad on Sunday, give them time

Bigjy

Enough with the piss take eh, where's he to go and who is replacing him, the guy is just settling in a new country, with new team mates, give him a break. Everyone is complaining about lack of depth in defence, and your shouting one of them must go. If you are a genuine Rangers supporter you should be ashamed. We don't need your type, we need to be strong and to pull together more than ever. Coz this is what all the other clubs fans want, us turning against our own, in fighting and bitching. They would love that, to be able to crow, look your attendances are dropping, look we told you so ha ha.

The guy has played over 200 games in Italy for Empoli, Udinese, Lazio, Siena & Napoli. I think the Scottish 3rd Division is well within his capabilities. Give him time to settle to the pace of the game here.

Give him a chance ffs.. What about amoroso,craig Moore, they started like donkys and end up great players

Give the guy a chance. The guy has played all of his career in countries where players get the luxury of time on the time, he's having to adapt to the hustle bustle of the Scottish 3rd division.

He has looked suspect but you've got to give the guy time. He looks a lot more composed than Ross Perry though.

My only fear is the lack of cover in defense. If both these guys get injured we are in trouble.

TTG

@3: if he has that experience why does he need time to settle to play third division football?

03 Sep 2012 14:52:32
we have drawn motherwell at ibrox in the league cup.... that should be interesting. hope we go as normal and not start this boycott talk cause its an spl side. should be a good match they'll be happy they have drawn a div3 side so it will be even sweeter cause our boys will be right up for it,

It's at Ibrox, why would Rangers fans boycott a match at Ibrox?

TTG

Good draw hope its a full house could be tough but the steelmen should do it

Well that is a great draw for the 'Well. The gate money is a bonus and should help off set any loses with the demise of Rangers.

Why on earth do you's want to boycott any club.....no club has done anything to your NewCo.

The SFL allowed your new club into the league. The old club was/will be, liquidated and couldn't play in any league! Lets just be happy Green recreated RFC and gave you a club to follow!

DazzaBhoy

@4 seems you have a short memory, when Rangers were reapplying to the SPL Celtic supporters were up in arms boycott this that and the next thing and orchestrated a campaign to put pressure on SPL chairman.
Sporting integrity have you forgot that already!

Binman says

Your memory that is suspect.
Rangers died and Sevco reapplied to join the SPL as a new entity

This was against SPL/SFA rules.
A special case was made to get you past the fact that you had no accounts or history and were allowed into the fourth tier.
You should have had to wait for the three years before even applying - and you got in front of three other worthy teams.
Dont believe the pish - you know what the truth is.

5) We would onl y have boycotted if a newco was voted into SPL......Cumock Juniors...Cove Rangers.......Sevco! No-body put pressure of Scottish Football. You weren't forced to spend £12m on Flo or £4.5m for Ferguson so why blame us when you eventually go5t caught and liquidated. You didn't get demoted or punished.

We are not the reason your new club IS a new club. Think before you type mate.......

DazzaBhoy

03 Sep 2012 14:45:22
Players wages £7million per year for a third division side!operating costs etc,i can see this all ending in tears,do yous think will make a full season before admin again??stevo

If yous don't win this year and move up then it will be along time before anyone thinks of rangers again. That is cause after your expenses being more then any other div3 team you will cut back a lot fans will drops out again and owners will walk.

And you forgot to say third division ticket prices with an spl stadium to support Hope someone is good at stretching those purse strings

Nae problem Stevo ma man.
Do you think you'll make it past dinner time without another bout of leccy shock treatment? Nurse is looking for ye.
P.O.B.

Stevo, serious question here bud, do you ever go a day without posting utter nonsense?

Think before you speak. Do you honestly think Rangers are going to repeat past financial wrong doings?

Try and just get on with your day-to-day life and stop constantly wetting your knickers at any prospect of Rangers going into administration again, it's not going to happen.

TTG

Correct.

Plus Ticketus will want to see that Charles Green is starting to recoup some of the money he was put there to yield.

You've then got BDO & their forensic accountants about to go in.

CG doesnt seem stupid so no I dont think admin will be on the agenda. Ok? Do you think this years SPL is kinda dull? Seems to have a bit less excitement, I mean you draw a game and, well, youll only win by 28 points this year...

Considering season tickets cover the wages, plus a full house or near enough every 2nd week, a think we will be fine.

P.O.B a little bit of respect mate,

"leccy shock treatment", is called ECT and is only given to people with severe and enduring mental health problem......severe bout of depression for one! I certainly hope you aint attempting to ock people with severe and enduring mental health problems?

Take a step back from your laptop/PC/Phone and have a look at yourself!

DazzaBhoy

@4: it's a possibility. Where's the money coming from other than the ST money? Green hasn't said yet. He's in it to make money but look at clubs all over the world and tell us how many make the owners a huge profit...

Rangers turnover should hit approx £20M with a decent run in all the cups.

£7M is only 35% of their turnover which is low. The high cost of running Ibrox and MP will wipe out the majority of the remaining £13M.

Rangers will be fine plus I think there is money behind CG but I don't think it will be splashed about. It will be used to return the biggest and best club to the top.

@7: you cannot sell out seats twice, 40000 tickets sold for the season means they seats are taken & paid for the year.
I agree with the OP, the running costs alone for the stadium & murray park, police, electricity, rates, wages, etc etc, and is the £7m per year wages gross or net? because after employer contributions & ni could turn that figure to £14m.
No-one in their wildest dreams would have seen the original rangers going into liquidation, so before you slag somone off for an opinion, sit back and think it through before doing so.

@9 - around 3m from league ticket sales over and above ST's, 250 k from league cup game against well and a few more home draws in cup competitions could bring in 1m in ticket sales, then merchandising, catering, sponsorship, (tennents did not do walking away by the look of the big T on the pitch before every home game) investment from others wishing to buy in to the biggest story in town etc etc etc, with wages greatly reduced and some sound management we should be ok and thanks for the concern shown by all

JG

@12: but you still haven't explained how Green and the other investors (yes, investing to make money) will make money from the club. They'll want a fairly good return on their investment and all of that won't provide it when running costs are subtracted.

Commercially I dont see how a profit can be turned with the existing structure.

No extra left after wages and overheads.

Does the business model rely on selling our players. Who do we sell and how do we replace them as we go up the leagues.

Does playing in the fourth tier not adversley affect our players values - we have to be careful not to get into the trap of buying dear and selling cheap

Is some additional sponsorship deal about to be unveilled.

If Green wants to turn a profit, where is it coming from

Bad Feeling about this.

@13 ok what is a good return on an investment for you, 8% 10% 20% 100%


JG

@14 buying dear! remind me how much we spent buying our current team.The investers may be lining up a share issue (remember the bunnet) to realise their investment

JG

The share issue is the way I see Green looking to make his profit at, but for me its a non starter, its an expensive thing to start with to set up, and how much can you honestly see the share price being?
We might not have paid transfer fees, but there is signing on fees, bonuses and big pay packets being paid, a player costing £1m usually costs a club on average £4m over 3 years.

03 Sep 2012 14:20:55
we have to work on passing and defence need to start working together hopefully get dundee in the cup team should gel by then n hopefully get septic in the next round and show them week are going nowhere watp

If yous had drew celtic,would get hammerd big time,as your defence is rotten....................

So is celtics, id take them in a sec.
craig+babybear

Craig I like your bravado, I would only like to play them in a cup final as we all know the bottlers are dodgy when it counts ;) CheltBlue

03 Sep 2012 14:10:29
Hey ed can you clear something up for me. Rangers are banned from europe for 3 years right but is that only the champions league? A read the paper the other day n craig burley wrote rangers are banned from europe for 3 years (unless they win the scottish cup) those were the exact words cheers. {Ed001's Note - they need 3 years of published accounts to be eligible to compete.}

Wow keep believing the papers and media that only show rangers in a good light and not tell the truth. Is this the same thing as last year when everything was alright with your club and that liq will never happen? Yous still fall for the pro rangers media, have you not learned from the past? But then again everyone is against yous eh and that burnley guy always tells yous what you want to hear and he dose not say a bad thing about yous for they want all to forget how your club came about.

Op - i think he meant that three years from now we will only be getting back into the SPL (hopefully) so it would take another year to qualify for CL or EL through the SPL route unless we win the scottish cup in the season 2014-15

could be wrong but thats my spin on it

JG

03 Sep 2012 13:30:06
some angry celtic fans on here,who are obsessed with our club,let us enjoy our new chapter in peace and we will see yous again in a few year,its good to see spl clubs still look at rangers and are jealous of how our fans have stuck with our club,ibrox 95% full every league game,maybe rangers and celtic apart for a few seasons will be good for scotland as a whole and its bigoted minority maybe see it diminish a little bit more

Nice too see a wounded bear admit its a new chapter,new club,new beginning,see yous in 4years if yous still around..stevo

I dont think yous can let anything go, for when there is something positive about Celtic and anything that mentions nl you come out in hords to shout hate. I mean did you not read some post last week all because yous saw nl whereing nikes jacket celebrating the clubs history with Irish colors on the neck. All yous came out given him and only him a hard time as if he made the jacket himself saying how it is a Scottish club and all of europ will think its a Irish club. What ppl need to do is look at themselves before anything else and change first and hopefully others will change and in this you should be putting those ppl ideas and what they say down even more so if it's your own club to get rid of the hate for one man.

Well said OP. But diminish bigotry? Haha don't kid yourself mate.
Dtp89

Started full of usual self importance but finished well. Not obsessed mate, think of it like ye olde freaks shows. Everyone wants to see the strangest show in town... Wait till this bloke that got cheated out of money with failed CVA complains about you passing yourself off as old club. Legal challenge ahead. Take no pleasure in this at all, You should be forgotten about for a few years to allow you to rebuild in peace. BUT you are selling papers so stories will be made up for years yet! Scott

@2 easy tiger where did you get all that NL stuff from, slow down and take your time with composing your post

JG

@1 maybe you should read that OP again, i dont see half the stuff that you read into it there, oh the great obsessed at it again

JG

@5, did you not see what a lot of ppl were saying about him last week? You are quick to say to me why am I talking about nl, so why can't you say that to your own supporters? And all I said was the truth and what I saw on here and if you can't admit that then I guess we will just wait till next good thing to happen for celtic and nl for yous to contradict yourselves some more.

03 Sep 2012 12:25:15
Rangers rumours :

Ally McCoist has admitted that midweek training was cut short

.. after one of the players kicked the ball into next door's garden.

Youve won an award worst post ever,rangers training facilitys are world class

03 Sep 2012 10:59:32
Levante plan to sue Celtic over the signing on their latest signing, what's the buzzword? "Integrity"

Did not no a hand shake counts as signing now. grow up u siily boy

Just read the report. Don't see what Celtic have done wrong. If he signed for them before Celtic it will be easy to prove. If he verbally promised them and then went to Celtic and signed, that's up to him.

Infamy...infamy...they've all got it infamy.

Shuggy

Mo jo anyone?

bil72

03 Sep 2012 10:22:02
We are going to get drawn against either 5 of these teams this afternoon, Celtic,Motherwell,Hearts,StJohnstone

We have been drawn at home to motherwell, another giantkilling me thinks

JG

Five?

BigBear1873

Celtic v barcelona THE rangers v motherwell two massive games and we are both taking on clubs thats well out of our league this is what its all about

Thats a bit harsh motherwell beating rangers wouldnt count as giant killing surely

#3 - I think you are confused and mixed up the teams - you should have said Rangers v Motherwell and THE Celtic v Barcelona - don't take my word for it - look at the badges on the strips

5.)
not that sad really!

bil72

No 5 sorry mate my mistake but in fairness its not really your badge is it ??

03 Sep 2012 00:23:55
player ratings for the match

Alexander 7 -
Argyriou- 8
Cribari- 5
Perry- 6
Wallace- 7
Black-7
Mcleod- 7
Little- 6
Shiels 8
Templeton 9
Jig 9

subs
Mckay 7

Thought we played well, Perry looks like he is still catching up with his injury so id give him time to get better and cribari looked good aswell but needs more confidence. Little did good aswell and should have scored.

Arygriou was terrible in the first half. Think your being generous with his 8 rating. I'd give him a 6 and Cribari a 7. The rest of your ratings are bang on though.

TTG

Come on pal it was Elgin city, no one should get over a 7 yesterday.

What's with the disagrees am confused?

We are winning at home,the biggest factor is we are fitter.these guys only train twice a week,at night because they are working,they more than match us for about 20 minutes of each half,then they run out of steam,so dont get carried away,templeton done okay but i would score against elgin and i am 79 OLD BOB,

@4 Old Bob first congrats on being able to work a laptop at your grand auld age mate, my father is the same age and he hasny a clue, second i have been thinking about the fitness advantage we have, i have been expecting the authorities to come out with a rule that would make us play the second half with a couple of bricks down our socks. Ok its not in the rule books currently but that has never stopped the authorities before has it?

JG

03 Sep 2012 01:08:34
Few players out of contract on Match of the day 2 tonight,

Klasnic
Owen
Hargreaves
Reo Coker
Craig Gordon
Owen

To name a few, I know unlikely

But any thoughts?

Looks like a BUPA wish list to be honest.

None are under 18 so we cant sign them

Aye some of them might be a good help for the groundsmen, or selling programmes, coz they sure ain't going to be kicking a ball for us , unless they have one of the Nigerian passports mentioned in a previous post.

Thoughts? None of them will be headng to Ibrox.

Why do so many posters have unrealistic hopes?

What is it you do not understand about signing ban? Cannot sign anyone even if they are free agents. Unable to register anyone.

Are any of them under 18? We can only sign under 18s during the transfer embargo, doesn't matter if a player is out of contract or not.

We cant register players where have you been ?

One word answer
EMBARGO

Aye all on the way out with over inflated wage demands

We cant sign anyone that's over 18, how many times? Where have u been?

When will you realise you can't register any more players