Rangers Banter Archive April 04 2013

04 Apr 2013 18:42:33
Personally I am glad rangers have taken action against sandaza, players have too much power these days and its about time the clubs started taking the control back. When a player signs a four year contract he is committing himself to that club for four years. under no circumstances can he open contract negotiations with any agent or club untill he is in the final 6 months of his contract, UNLESS an offer is accepted by his club and permission is given by the club to open contract discussions. I am sure this sort of thing happens all the time and unfortunatly for sandaza he's been caught out. He should accept his punishment and hopefully other players will think twice about trying to generate big money moves while under contract. Get the head down, play your best football and the big moves will happen on merit.

Spot on .

I agree 100%, but that is still not grounds for being sacked.
Imagine where u work being sacked for
Telling peeps your wage, and new wage rise.
Most of u need to understand that the days of playing for the shirt is over.
Sandy joined for the promise of spl football next season.
I think green has been signing players on these wages promising top div football, thinking that sfl and spl will fast track rangers up.
My last point is that if rangers no longer wanted him why did they not sell.
Even if got half a mil, littles better than nowt, and now a court case that sandy
Will win.
This club needs to get its house in order
And fast.

I think you will find that although many of the same rules apply to your average worker and footballers some rules ARE diffrent. Football has a governing body, FIFA, And all clubs and players must follow their guidelines, one rule they have is called the bosman rule which allows players to negotiate a contract with another club BUT only in the final 6 months of their current contract. Sandaza has broken the rules and in turn is breaching his contract giving rangers the power to dismiss him. {The Ed039's Note - Footballers have special dispensation from the EU in which they are covered by a different set of rules and regulations from your average joe soap. Now, one thing I have discussed this week with a colleague, if I told her how much I earned, which happend to be more than her, and she called out my management on it, I could be sacked from breach of confidentiality, easily as well, no questions asked. Anybody who thinks that such a clause isnt built into a footballers contract is very naive)

04 Apr 2013 15:16:35
Talking bout getting midfielders a would happily take back
LEE MARTIN and AARON NIQUEZ back because they never got a good chance but would good to see them back in the royal blue of the rangers SFL3 CHAMPIONS 55 AND COUNTING

Like either of them would return to play at the level Rangers will be at next season from where they are now. Niguez's club are 12 points clear at the top of the Spanish second division so he's unlikely to want to move away from the chance to play against Messi and Ronaldo next season, is he?

04 Apr 2013 12:30:05
WTF is going on at Rangers regarding Sandaza!

Ok, he is crap, but you can't sack a player for that! All employees have rights to stop this kind of thing happening!

I used to work in HR and the law can't have changed that much in 3 years!

You can only immediately terminate someones employment without comeback for one thing - gross miscounduct, which incorporates assault, theft! Bad employees can still get punted but the process is long and drawn out!

Now I don't know what has been happening behind closed doors at Ibrox, and I haven't even heard the taxi driver wind up! But from what I have heard he was discussing his salary! Hardly grounds for dismissal!

Im hearing Sandaza is taking legal advice and I would expect him to win and Rangers will have to pay up his contract in full (Unless there is something no one knows about)

No pal, there is nothing else, the hoax is there for all to hear on youtube. he told the taxi driver his wage structure for 4 years and said he'd be willing to play in america for the right money. if I work for x. and I tell z what my wages are and would be willing to cross over for more. is that gross misconduct. I think sandaza is a certainty to win an unfair dismissal enquiry. shammy

04 Apr 2013 13:29:48
mate gross misconduct covers loads of things. he asked an agent to approach him without the clubs permission that is gross misconduct. its against the laws of the game.

gers seen the chance to get him off the wage bill with no compo and jumped at the chance and who can blame them.

He not even in post for 1 year, rules changes two years past.

will get £100,000 payoff at most. Saves gers £1m

Sandaza has NO CHANCE of winning law suit against Rangers, he has EVERY chance of winning one against cabbie, although what that would be worth is doubtful.

It may be against football rules but in no way would that trump employment laws and there is no way in hell Sandaza can possible lose an unfair dismissal claim. Probable outcome is an undisclosed settlement but he would win if he does not want to negotiate.

@4. yeah still deluded. the taxi guy asked him questions. he answered. how on earth can he sue for that. you really really need to wake up. what you are saying is if anybody asks you a question, you can sue them. just in case you give them a stupid answer, I really am starting to give up on you guys. shammy

I totally agree Shammy, the chances of a bringing forth a lawsuit against the Taxi guy is slim, but he could definitely push to have him prosecuted: the recording is/was illegal.

Although, I guess it raises another question: should the news (?)papers (websites) really have been showing the video, or offering links to it.

Incidentally, I've said it before- Sandaza was the victim, and the way Rangers have treated him has been appalling.

The Patient

Hel be sued for sure for deception

To OP and Shammy, just a point from a trade union officer, How in gods name do any of you know what his contract of employment says, are you seriously suggesting you have read a pro footballers contract of employment? at a major club the document is page after page of info and data, including rules which must not be broken, and will constitute gross misconduct, you can be assured that is the reason Green and his board have taken this decision, their hr and legal people will have gone over this with a fine tooth comb, a footballers contract, as with all high earners bears no resemblance to lesser contracts, they get paid a lot of money, and it comes with side effects, so please stop telling us he will win, you really know nothing of the sort, Tommyblue

Best post so far shammy now please give up completely and go away thanks

Nobodyknows what goes on behind closed doors nor would anyone need to know he breached the confidential rules on contract rangers know they won't loose ant appeal sandassa knows he is in thr wrong it won't even reach appeal stage end of

@9: as a union officer you will also now that, despite employers having HR and lawyers advising them on procedures, they still get it wrong and that employees win with the help of. union reps etc.

1903

5 and shammy do not have a scooby, it was not the asking and answering questions that was the problem, it was the making it public. You want to give up on us guys, please do and go back to your own site in keeping with your primary 5 discussion level.

@13: to be fair, that level of discussion often exists on here without their input.

I take it the guy that phoned sandaza was a Celtic fan? either way I reckon sandaza will have more chances of getting him done at court than rangers (quite rightly so)as this guy was deceiving him. But am sure rangers will have checked that he has breached his contract. either way its good we can get rid of another foreign donkey. maybe we should set up a telethon deceptive line, and see if we can get rid of 6 or 7 others. the realty is the scouting at rangers is amateurish at best. totally substandard for a club our size, and yet where we are at the moment this is thee most imgortant thing (along with our tarnished pr) to get right. as this is the way forward for us. so we must get it right now, and bring in quality for little money. the amount we have wasted over the years in overpaid players, and had to pay them off early etc is risiculous

04 Apr 2013 10:21:45
Sandaza's contract terminated, absolutely brilliant news 4500 p/w spent on this clown, he will never get a contract like that again in his career, that taxi driver has done rangers a massive favour.

And I actually think mccoist is doing the smart thing looking abroad, there are some cracking players out there at daft wee clubs that play for peanuts, Jelavic was only on 2500 p/w when we signed him (not saying we'll get another jelavic just pointing out there are bargins there to be found that would happily join us)

Also in no way am I trying to offend any Dumfermline fans that might read this page, but we should be looking at some of there guys getting let go, they would again be on peanuts and do a job for us in the 2nd division. jordan macmillian for example, he was half decent before we let him go in the SPL.

Jordan McMillan now at Partic thistle

I think you will find that Sandazza will win his legal claim. Listening to the recording the only thing he says that would be questionable is the details of his salary. The key in this is he was duped. He was telling one person, in what he thought was a private conversation, his salary details. I doubt if a disclosure clause in his contract would cover this event. What if, by phone, he told his Mother the details and the phone was hacked. It would not be his fault, same as the taxi driver, this was out with Sandazza's control. He and Rangers have been caught up in events out with their control, but only one party has suffered. The other point is the damage. These figures will not harm Rangers commercially, this is not nuclear codes here. It is a duped man conversing on a phone in what he thought was a private conversation concerning wages. I am amazed Mr Greens lawyers would advise him to terminate. {Ed001's Note - not true, he confided the details of his contract over the phone to someone he didn't know, he knew he was breaking the T&Cs of his contract when doing so. That is not in doubt, and your ridiculous comparison to him talking with his mother shows a complete lack of any kind of understanding of the situation. The fact that he was duped is neither here nor there, he should have refused to discuss details, end of.}

Rangers have obviously had their lawyers go through the fine details of this case with a toothcomb for the past few weeks so they must be 100% confident that Rangers are covered in this instance.

As for Sandazza I wouldn't be surprised if an SPL club snapped him up and under a good manager he started slamming in the goals again.

@ED001; With respect mate, none of us know the actual conditions and wording of his contract. The fact he was duped must come into it surely? It will all depend on the actual contract no doubt, but I think the fact the call was released without his permission will sway it in his favour. This is moot of course as I believe Mr Green will not let this go to court. As an addendum, where he night be on a sticky wicket is trying to cut Rangers out of the equation, possibly more serious than the wage disclosure as he was under contract at the time. {Ed001's Note - no, I have just been having this discussion with Ed007, who was questioning me on it too. Employees are not allowed to discuss their pay with anyone, except if they feel they might be discriminated against because of their sex or other protected characteristics. None of that applies in this case. It is simply a matter of whether the employer is bothered about the details being discussed or not. Duping is irrelevant, he shouldn't have been discussing his pay, end of. He has now breached his contract, which means Rangers are perfectly within their rights to terminate it.}

Jelavic may have been only on 2400 a week but he did cost 3/4 million!
Can see green going for that

Jelavic was £4m.

Again a pro footballers contract is long and goes deep, especially one which has a lot of cash involved, he broke the terms of said contract, no employer would go down this route without taking advice,? now stop saying he didn't do it, he did, end of, Tommyblue

04 Apr 2013 08:21:30
Y aren't rangers lookin at stevie may from st jonstone? He was on loan at alloa last season and scored for fun and is on loan at hamilton this season and is scorin for fun there too. he's still only about 19 aswell. can't c him costin much? Anybody agree?

Is he out of contract in the summer

if not then what's the point?

People on here think because its alloa or Hamilton he has played for he's not good enough for rangers, which of course is complete and utter nonsense as rangers are playing in a division 2 leagues below than hamilton, 6 years ago Gary hooper was playing non league football look at him now.

Regardless of where he plays or what his form his like it doesn't matter if he won't cost much

unless he costs absolutely nothing he's out of the equation

we can't buy players till January

Hooper is overated ok against donkey defenders

What about just signing everyone who, s scored more than 5 goals this season? then signing all the defenders who made a decent tackle or two / then we could get all the keepers who saved a penalty,, that sounds like a plan doesn't it? get a grip please tommyblue

04 Apr 2013 01:03:09
like I said from day one, the axxe who says he drives a taxi has cost someone his job, utterly despicable and I really hope he suffers similar fate, doesn't matter what you think, he was set up by a complete,, well you can add your own word there, what a man u must be eh?, have a nice life you total dxk, tommyblue

Tommyblue, the taxi driver fooled him. the rangers sacked him, what's worse?. shammy

At 1) the taxi driver cost the guy his job what for?, a nice wee laugh with his pals get real.

@2, I say again, the rangers didn't have to sack him. that was YOUR CHOICE not the taxi drivers. shammy

TBH, feel a bit for Sandaza as he was tricked and is now being sacked. Remember the nurse who "topped" herself for disclosing details about Kate Middleton. May be funny to the caller and his pals, but not to the person being punished.

Can't help think that Rangers where embarassed by the details he revealed on the back of the financial figures coming out and are now using it as a easy way to get rid. I would imagine any lawyer could quickly tell whether it was legal or not.

I just hope the taxi driver is inundated with fare dodgers for a while as a wee bit of karma (and am a Celtic fan).

Shuggy {Ed001's Note - the nurse that topped herself was just the one who put the call through, not the one who revealed details.}

04 Apr 2013 20:39:09
Shammy again m8 you have no idea what detail is in a pro footballers contract, which is long and weary, also you have no idea how sandaza conducted himself during the investigatory hearing nor disciplinary meeting, I unfortunately have to sit through many of these, I know you don't because of your lack of understanding of contractual matters, particularly when large amounts of money are involved, a club, or organisation employs people to protect their brand and repuitation, they will have protected themselves here, how do you know he wasnt sacked for his conduct after the dxxks fone call? tommyblue

The guy exposed Sandaza as a total mercanary. Is that the kind of person you want at your club. The fact he was idiotic enough to go into a conversation like that with a complete STRANGER!?!? Honestly the guy doesn't deserve to play for Rangers even in the 3rd div and that's from a celtic fan.

Chris bhoy