Rangers Banter Archive August 04 2013

04 Aug 2013 22:56:55
Smith became chairman with a brief to unite the board.

Seems the exact opposite has happened. Has he failed?

Quite a few posts in here postulating him and ally are agents of McColl and P Murray. Fair enough. HK visited that possibility in SM today and asked if both had duped him in Germany.

But wouldn't that mean Smith is pro actively working against his own board? And therefore his appointed brief?

If Smith sees board as nest of vipers then he right to move against them.

Smith is weak on financial experience and strong financial backing, those being approached are strong on both.

Charlotte exposures showed whyte, green and stockbridge up to armpits in frauds and scams.

04 Aug 2013 21:51:02
i think wamts 2 go this will b his excuse worried bear

Are RFC shopping at the BBC again for non-playing staff and the like. Ally came from a question of sport now Jim McCall from BBC2s Beachgrove Garden. Out with the old in with the new. I hear Durrant is going back to play a wee shell suited ned in River City McDowell is the stunt double for Patrick Stewart and Greens doing VoiceOver for the hovis commercials

He may need to stay to earn his shares
Christmas? maybe

04 Aug 2013 19:00:52
Do you guys think we would have still sold 30k+ even if green had been a consultant through pre season I think we probably would

Green called team worst ever. would a celtic ceo ever saythat? and team lost next day

green should know to keep his racist mouth shut and his size 10 boots out of his mouth, but no day 1 back as consultant and on the press about non financial stuff. and next day we loose again.

history repeating and greens history is pants

ally has real history, in ally we can trust

green only hear for the money not the glory

Loyalty and progression don't seem to go hand in hand with Ally, Greig had REAL history didn't stop him being sacked. The "we don't do walking away' is blinding you!

@ 2, Ally was back stabbed, that should never happen at Rangers regardless of his form or even his mind blowing salary. And your right, just when we thought we would all get a crack at starting the season on a positive note, up pops green with his sabotage antics again. That was totally calculated, and is not how you treat a Rangers manager and the team right at the start of the season or even in the public domain! green will happily take us to the wall, that's how he makes a living.

Aye Ready.

Greens business history was known from day one, Ally didn't have a problem jumping into bed with him back then and I bet if that so called 25yr contract was on the table it would have been signed but that bluster was just to get you all on board and Ally was obviously happy to front that promotion!

You've got to admire Green in a way, no one's buying St's last season and he gets Ally on board and sales go though the roof.

He needs a helping hand to sell shares in the IPO and he gets Walter on board - more shares sold than many expected. Anothe success.

Then just before season tickets go on sale this summer he and his consortium give Walter an even more high profile position at Ibrox and sales now stand at a very creditable 34,000.

I'm beginning to see a pattern & it doesn't reflect well on either Walter or Ally.

@5 I too see a pattern, remove Smith and Ally and back to admin/liquidation as no st sales next year.

go figure. More moeny those two take, all the more for next recovery. and all the less for the spivs.

fill yer boots smith and ally

04 Aug 2013 18:20:02
My close friend at murray park told me this before Charles green left rangers in April and he's now told me it again now Charles green is back again, green doesn't rate our manager ally mccoist and was planning sacking him back before he left and now plans to sack him again and the manager he wants to replace mccoist is just like it was then is the ross County manager Derek Adams who green rates very highly and rates Adams a terrific coach who is very good with youths, which green sees as the ideal way to get the best out of Murray park, cheaply

04 Aug 2013 18:42:15
Your friend at murray park reads the papers then, or can put two and two together like the rest of us. What a rich source of info you have there, please make sure to share any further astonishing insider insights with us.

McCoist going is a must if the club is too move forward. McCoist is actually the biggest threat to Rangers very existence and has done more damage to the club than anything Green or indeed Whyte has done

@2 a tape which green has not challenged is on internet with green taking to whyte about uefa and corruption

a bank transfer shows green acepting money from dodgy sources. green has not challenged this.

why is green so quiet on these issues which could make his 7% worthless. unless he already sold it and does not care

ally cares

But green is following his previous history at Sheffield Utd, undermine the current manager, get in new one, then control signings and undermine the new manager, all the while making money money money

Sharks are circling, but better financial sharks who are playing green at his game, if green offered 35p per share and turned it down, what happens if shares crash thru 20p barrier.

fans can effect this, not by season tickets, too late, but by numbers.

04 Aug 2013 19:55:23
2) Derek adams working with youngsters? Then tell me why he and ross county went out and bought nine new players this season and shafted st johnston with brittin (spelling) so that's effectively 10 players brought in so how is that working with youngsters or even taking youngsters through to the first team. For me if ally goes it would have to be McCall or Butcher or better still the both of them as equal first team coaches/managers, the players wouldn't have got awy with the way they played on saturday if one or both was at rangers instead of ally, durrant and kenny Mac being there. Watp let's prove it!

@op a think that might have been true in April but not now green is only a consultant so has no power. to do that and ally know that or he wouldn't have been badmouthing green in the papers

@3 he can't sell his shares until December I think

@3 he can't sell ipo shares till dec, but he sold them before ipo and failed to mention this in ipo, ally nail this sucker.

green has tainted history, ally is not top manager we know. so. ?

will green man up and no attack ally, the legend. bring it on. as green will never be welcome back in ibrox.

green needs to apologise to ally tomorrow or else

@5.
what you need is a good manager! it does not have to be an ex rangers player, think outside the box for once.

Briggies!

05 Aug 2013 02:27:59
@9 the fact they used to be rangers players honestly didn't cross my mind until I read your text yeah you're right they are ex players but with out a doubt the top 2 managers in scotland you just have to look at the last 2 seasons and again this season it looks like nothing will change there apart from they will probably be in higher profile jobs, bigger clubs very soon and because of the cost to sack ally we will miss out on both of them, and no I ain't a ally hater I don't think any real fan is he is a legend and will always be a legend but look at his record since being manager NOT good enough, his record is up there with paul le Guen sorry that's a lie I think plg's is better! Sorry ally time is up now and you are to good of a man to be having to take all this stick but 4-1-4-1 against forfar has got to be the last straw!

04 Aug 2013 17:33:21
With money at Ibrox so tight, the deals with Blackthorn and Sports Direct are weighted in those companies favour, Rangers get a small investment.
So the cups are the only quick tangible way of earning more money for the club. OK the money for winning cups are not massive, but add on say 3 home games in both League and Scottish Cups of say 50,000 at £20 a head, half share to away club, deduct expenses Rangers could have made about £2m+ of much needed money.
6 home games impossible? Well even if that did not pan out 2 semis and 2 finals at Hampden would earn about the same.
Even the Ramsden Cup will earn good money if more home ties.
So losing out at the early stages of cups is dangerous to the revenue of the club.

? there's was £22m raised. how can money be tight this early.

if we can only survive with deep cup runs we dead again, need to survive on season ticket money which is rock solid, and full season of games - that's all. Then build from there.

04 Aug 2013 15:34:16
big Colin Beastie McAdam. R. I. P Big Man

04 Aug 2013 15:13:31
Probably 2 folk have the power to sack McCoist
Smith, who wont
Mather, who cant
Mather can't because he needs allies
So he brings back Green
Green causes another eruption on his return
Green is brought back because of McColl and Murray
McColl was previously an ally of Smith
So they probably don't want him sacked either
So only option is McCoist resigns
McCoist can't resign
Because "he doesn't do walking away"
So he has to be sacked
Probably 2 folk have the power to sack McCoist

And so it will go on and on, Joseph Heller's brilliantly inventive mind couldn't even make this up. A total, total shambles that could go on for ever. Another nine years of it and its Catch 2022

And he still has10 million to spend on transfers before he does do walking awa.

The club is a shambles, can't believe ally is on the wages he's on and says he loves the club.

Ive said before to wait till september the 1st then judge the man

The sparks are staring to fly, cause this game of chicken and whose the big baddie, will all be revealed when the books are finally opened. I'm not at all surprised it affected moral yesterday, and I'm expecting the heart strings to be pulled all over the place in the coming months. It's like it's a race to admin, I just hope Mr McColl is on board by then cause right now your dead right it's a total mess! We are just a side act now that s/tickets are in.

Aye Ready

@4 I've just the man on cups, and his record is shocking, he can't be judged on league form as a blind man could've won the 3rd division.

@3 why? Aren't you aware of his record in 8 cup competitions? That man will ruin Rangers and has cost the club a fortune. How bad does it have to get?

04 Aug 2013 13:54:29
A poster who seemed to have insider knowledge said club spends £650k a month more than income over a year and by jan2014 will be trading insolvently.

Surely it's already trading insolvently and using up capital share money each month to cover the excess doesn't make it solvent?

Pure guess work

04 Aug 2013 19:09:01
@1 Yep it's guesswork. But I have yet to see the calculations that guess that we're NOT leaking money like a burst colostomy bag leaks sh*t. Difficult not to guess pessimistically, unless you have head firmly stuck in sand. Or maybe you're suggesting the loyal thing to do is not to guess at all and just hope for the best instead? That gives me a horrible sense of deja vu. When you've found your trousers badly soiled before and you smell sh*t once again, only a crazy man would condescendingly brush off suspicions of another disaster as "pure guesswork".

@1&2 well in December Neil patey from Ernst&young said that rangers wer losing about 750k a month so how can it be 650k a month now when we have brought in 8 new players and got rid of one so probably losing about 900k or 1 million but until we see the accounts we will never know

@1, 2, & 3 the interim accounts in December last year recorded a £5 million loss this after 33,000 season tickets were purchased. This is why there is only circa £7 million out of £22million IPO. All of which makes any bear with a modicum of intelligence cringe when Super Ally talks about yet more players yet more expense. We needed a cheap young intelligent coach to build a cheap but talented young squad with high sell on value but Green had to keep a man of many words (mostly repeated several times in successive sentences) to help with season ticket sales. 4, 1, 4, 1 buy your way to success Ally truly is the reincarnation of Walter - except Walter did win more often than his pupil. Except buying success brought us disaster last time around and it seems the RTID, WATP clowns supporting Ally are determined to see us drop into the financial abyss again. We might not see the season out guys unless there has been a huge cash injection we don't know about- but Ally will soon spend it if it's there

@3. You are correct in your quotation of Neil Patey last December. However the net trading loss has actually reduced by approx. £100K per month to the £650K I quoted - due to a combination of Blackthorn and Sports Direct contributions which are new income steams in the second, current financial year. The Club has also removed a couple of high earners from the payroll (Alexander and Sendaza) and although have bought a number of new player additions these have been brought in at a lesser wage. For example, the two mentioned ex-players were earning £21K per week whereas Bell and Daly are on a combined £13K. that alone is a reduction in costs of approx. £100K per annum.

During July the Club (unfairly) cleared out an entire line of middle management who were all earning annual salaries of approx. £45K to £65K each. all of these "redundancies" were hushed up but for clues to some of the casualties look at this season's first home match programme and see a very prominent (and loyal) figure missing from the match-day programme for the first time in at least 10 years! All of these factors have reduced the monthly cash flow by approx. another £100K p. a.

So trading deficits had been improved by around 12%. modest but a sign of progress. therefore I am astounded by the decision to bring Charlie back in a 'paid-consultancy role" as that will only undo part of gain from the recent cost cutting measures!

SPM

04 Aug 2013 13:43:50
Some people won't like this but it must be said. The first day after liquidation was announced green should have stated what he already said, the history of the club has gone and we are starting afresh as a new Rangers. Even Walter wished him well with the 'new'club. He then should have outlined the facts. No credit line means living within the income streams. Ally should have been given the chance to leave if he felt he could not coach young players, with a few older experienced heads, to compete in the third division. This would have meant a few barren years and maybe not returning to the top league for 5-7 years while young players grew up and finance was strong. Last year every team who played Rangers had someone who stood out, these should have been cherry picked to strengthen the team. The wage bill would have been lower and a fit, young squad would have emerged through time. Instead the myth that this was the club who gave your top European teams a game was still playing. It is not. Ally needs to take the blame for this. He signed Shiels and Black on big wages and they have done nothing. He tried, in administration to sign Cousin on £8k per week FFS! True Rangers fans would have accepted the situation and followed the club, there is no doubt of that. Instead Green changed his story to the bought the history nonsense and seen the money rolling in. Ally backed him, as he had backed Whyte. A big question is Ally's shares. Did he buy them or did Green give them to him? The reason this is an issue is Ally did not back Green till he had those shares. Is Ally in the 1p per share club? One last point on Ally. If he really puts Rangers first why did he not sign Boyd? This guy would score fifty goals a season in the first division, but he fell out with Ally so that was that. Is that putting Rangers first?

What a lot of cr@p!

RTID
GDog

Rubbish the history of club is still there bottom line is the young players r not good enough the team that gets back in the premiership will have to b full of internationals to get back in champions league and win old firm games won't b long now loyal ranger

Also Boyd never started old firm games because he wasn't deemed good enough could score against the rest but not celtic overweight and lazy and miller didn't want to come back to play 2nd division football we r where we r I accept that but the kids r rubbish and have no skill Ross perry is rotten thank god he's out injured

@op mate a don't give a toss what green said rangers history is unbroken newco stands for new company not new club and until somebody can show this is wrong or until uefa or FIFA come out and say different then rangers are 140 years old

From a total football perspective I just don't get the debate about McCoist. Rangers legend yes. manager never. speaking from the opposition camp I will be absolutely devastated on the occasion of his demise. debate over.

@1/ To you maybe but your attitude will never change anything. Start saving for the next IPO because it will come.

Green bought in lost £20m in player via TUPE (so he screwed WHYTE, then players screwed GREEN - tought world). and he was shocked.

and then offers appears to invest in rangers (£2-£6m) from dodgy money lenders and all looked rosy, Green then rushed IPO and hit his gold mine (£22m. !)

Green back to continue to hide accounts, and close the subs before they due to announce accounts, so all subsiduary startup costs lost in the mists of time. no wonder £12m is reported as gone for the IPO.

04 Aug 2013 12:59:42
read so many texts saying enough is enough not going back 2 ibrox etc how can u walk away just becuase we lost 1 game but 1 goal yea its not a good enough result ant we have 2 listen celtic fans but most people were optimistic preseason and now he's the worst manager ever I watched the match yesterday and it was a tough watch but we need to drop the we should beat everbody mentallity and be more realistic no team wins every game even if they better players did bradford not reach league cup final n the teams they beat along the way didn't sack manager

The guy ain't up to the job mate its been clear to see he's had his chance wi always be a hero of mine for his playing days but end of the day he's a football pundit not a manager it hurts me to say that but its how I feel he just ain't cut out for the job we need a change

Exactly, show some faith. It's not like he's not even good enough to get up to the premiership and like so many people keep saying ally is a legend, so show him some loyalty (or atleast give him time to use his full squad before calling for his head).

04 Aug 2013 12:49:21
would it not be ironic that the side that meated out the worse defeat in our history could be in line to end this sorry affair tues 21st ramsdens cup Berwick Rangers?

Did Berwick Rangers beat you last year.? or do you refer to your predecessors.?

04 Aug 2013 12:07:06
Other managers get better results with less resource. So excuses McCoist doesn't have facilities or budget or pre season is illogical and doesn't stack up.
What budget does the Forfar manager have? What facilities? What training and club backup staff? What advisors? What size of support? 50,000 fans?

There are no excuses, none.

Green is not an excuse and did not effect performance at all.

One of the strikers templeman is a primary school janitor and lolly pop man when school finishes!truly embarrassing! Ally out!

Ally is a playing legend but sadly, like so many, can't do the same as manager. We could look at the signings unable to play but this was not unexpected and the manager should have been planning his tactics accordingly. He does not even have the 'last minute preparations' excuse he had last season. Greens return gives Ally the perfect reason for walking now - undermining the team which has to be unacceptable. Go with dignity now Ally

04 Aug 2013 11:37:28
I agree with all my fellow bears but as Barry ferguson says 3 words anger speechless dismayed all people who just see rangers as a bank balance increase please leave our club doesn't want or need people like you we need people who have blue blood running through there body's ie us the fans let's do what bayern do they manage to sign top quality players and win champions leagues is that not something we should try in emulate and stop that mobb across the city laughing at us cause that's what there doing trust me a work way 100s of them it's not good am ashamed to be a rangers fan right now please leave comments we need to protest or something (ed please post need all fellow bluenoses to get involved)

Glasgow true blue

Yes its ok to be inept at Rangers
manager
players
backroom staff
board
all not fit for purpose
and on and on the Rangers cash cow rolls, just like the banking industry they say if we don't pay them what they think what there due they, ll go elsewhere. let them
the only one I would keep is Mathers
who I think shows some merit
Christ we got a new fitness coach and by all accounts Forfar finished the game better
as I say NOT FIT FOR PURPOSE

I don't believe anything football wise in DR. BF surely gets his stuff written for him. I've never known him to be eloquent, more like delinquent.

McCoist and Smith were supposed to have blue blood, look what they've done to Rangers. We need directors NOT investors and we certainly don't need anymore unqualified inexperienced ex "legends" bleeding us dry. We should protest to get rid of McCoist for obvious reasons, but this may also serve as a warning that we will not accept this incompetence any longer. If we don't spend our money these investors will soon find a more profitable investment and f**k off, but getting rid of McC**t is the first step in getting Rangers back for the fans.

Smokey Bear

And how would you do this? Bayern? Millions from TV and Champions League every year. The season tickets were the key to getting rid of the spivs.

@op agree with you mate but there was a celtic fan in the paper saying they missed us last season and that most of them felt sorry for what was happening to the fans also if we don't get rid of the people who are just there for the money we are going to end like the Pompey fans and they have only just got control of their affairs and to be quite honest a don't want outer situation to go that far we missed our chance when it came to renewing the st now I think we have another chance now and we should grab it with both hands and get rid of them because at the end of the day there would be no money if we didn't put our hand in our pockets
thebear82

04 Aug 2013 11:00:29
I would urge fellow bears to take a step back, breath and think for a minute. Try and look at Ally McCoist and Walter Smith with a little bit of reality, as humans and as Rangers supporters. Can you imagine if you or I were in their position? We'd no doubt have let our emotions get the better of us and lost it by now achieving nothing but the sack and being left with no ability to influence the goings on in Ibrox.
John Brown anyone?
You see, like John and us Ally and Walter are Rangers supporters. They are steeped in the history of our club, they have brought glory to our club and they love our club as it is their club too. Granted they have made mistakes but who doesn't? There is no way these men and Durrant have suddenly become the heartless, selfish thieves they are being made out to be by some on here. In my opinion they have done what needed to be done to retain their position so far, although Ally may have finally cracked yesterday. People need to realize that in the nest of vipers that is Ibrox just now they have had to be very careful to retain influence. So Ally has backed a few chairmen, so what? What else could he do? If we are going to get our club back it will be because of men like Ally and Walter being prepared to blow a bit of smoke up the ar53 of the charlatans to keep them onside. Walter and Ally may have just bought us the time we need for others to do their work. Granted Allys coaching has left a lot to be desired but his love for our club I have no doubt. There are a few who will have to eat humble pie and should be ashamed of themselves for the accusations leveled at Walter and Ally.

Smith and McCoist are undercover secret agents now. Ffs I've heard it all. Just when it can't get more embarrassing and ridiculous, it does.
Those two are there to sell season tickets only. Which they do. Others would be better chairmen and managers. McCoist is arguably the worst manager in clubs history with second best resources in Scotland. What resources does the Forfar manager have? Give that guy the job.

Baybear it's time to wake up and smell the coffee, the only reason Ally's there is the money he is being paid, would you walk away from that kind of cash, don't think so, put your brain in gear man and face the fact's, the only people who have Rangers at heart are the supporter's get off your ar$e$ before it's too late
Tam

Good post Baybear. Reality check for some. Smith has openly admitted he is not a businessman but he is trying to do what is best for Rangers. Let's not forget he walked out of a fairly successful Scotland squad set-up to sort out the mess before. (I follow the 'Tic but can see what some blinkered supporters don't want to) true, Ally is not the man for the job but has been both a good guy and target for the fans who were wondering if there would be a club last season.

@1 deary me mate, who said anything about 'secret agents'
I'm merely pointing out that unlike you and me they are still in a position to know more about what is going on.
I'm not disputing your assessment of his management skills. I think we can all agree that he is poor but quite frankly there is nobody else who would want to be anywhere near our club at the moment.
This situation is like your family turning on you when you need them the most and I think there are others we need to focus on ousting before Walter and Ally. I'd take winning f8*k all this season if I knew we had rid ourselves of the 5cum that are tearing us apart and have no connection to our club. We've got bigger fish to fry than Ally and his 5hite tactics.

04 Aug 2013 10:20:50
McCoist calls Green an embarrassment! pot, kettle, black springs to mind, funny how its always someone elses fault when McCoist humiliates us, he has lost whatever credibility he had, is totally inept and should be sacked immediately for gross incompetence, 2 years late, but better late than never.

04 Aug 2013 09:55:39
PLG got six months in the job got sacked having a better record than mccoist its over 2 years and he's still in the job. go ally please.

04 Aug 2013 09:42:50
Charles Green is a bit eccentric, I think we can all agree on that. Like it or not there is a distinct possibility that he is back for good. He is what you would call a character, something that we need in football as we were constantly told with regards to Gazza and George Best etc. Off the wall and a laugh. As long as he is not at your club.

One thing that he did say that I thought was interesting was the one about the club playing the same entertaining football system from the under 10's all the way up to the first team. If you take out the bit about Cruijff, Rijkaard and whoever else this is in fact a great idea and something we should be seriously considering. It is in this area i. e. player development that I believe the club should be investing heavily.

I know that a club like Rangers MUST win and there is no viable alternative, especially in the lower leagues, but there is an apparent short sightedness at the club at the moment.

Jim

@op mate green never came up with that idea a lot of clubs do that but it would take a long time and we haven't got that we need to be back at the top asap then

OP What entertaining footbal.
Tam

04 Aug 2013 09:13:24
Just seen that Kenny Miller wasn't in the Vancouver Whitecaps squad for last nights game with Portland Timbers. I know that Scotland are due to play the auld enemy on the 14th of August, do you think this is why he wasn't involved? Or is mccoist been given the thumbs up to sign him? I would personally rather see miller or novo sign rather than that sidibe guy.

Agree with No2, no point in sacking at moment, kneejerk reaction to yesterdays result, wait until September 1st when the new squad is together, from that point his players, his formations and subsequently his downfall if it fails, no place to hide, no one to blame.
I also think that Ian Mcall and his group would be a good move, they appear willing to leave Mathers in his post, as he has done a fair job, but he would no longer be a directer.
AJM.

04 Aug 2013 09:02:06
was expecting this start to the season. after all this was the same guys as last year. they had no idea how to raise their game then so why expect anymore. but if they want to strip dead wood, must have some list now after that

04 Aug 2013 08:09:58
-----Sorry in advance for the long post Ed-----

I said after the first Berwick game away last season that I wouldn't go back to away games until things improve and I didn't until the new season started. So, I was at the game yesterday and I have to say it was one of the worst games I have ever been to. Forget the trialists not being able to play, forget the artificial surface, forget the Charles Green factor, forget all of those pathetic excuses. That performance yesterday was a disgrace to Rangers Football Club. There were a few things that really stood out for me though.

1) Ally McCoist hasn't got a clue. That's the long and short of it. I've known it for some time, but yesterday was yet more confirmation. I was interested to see his reaction when we went 1-0 down, and he stood there with his arms folded and didn't move a muscle. He eventually turned to his two yes men, Durrant and McDowall, who surprisingly were equally as clueless as to how to motivate the team to improve. Every time McCoist opens his mouth after a defeat I dislike him a wee bit more. It's been the same lame excuses for nearly a year now. He simply does not have it and needs to go before he ruins his legacy even more.

2) Some of those players are simply terrible, terrible footballers. Chirs Hegarty, Sebastien Faure, Ian Black, Robbie Crawford, Andy Mitchell and Andy Little. None of them would get a game for my Saturday amatuer team if we were a man short. Absolute imposters who can't even do the simple things like control a ball, play a five yard pass and move into space to try and make things happen. Embarrassing.

3) Our youngsters will never, ever be good players. They are earning four figure sums at 18-19 years of age and I have no idea why. McKay and Aird were warming up right in front of me and there were fans round about me singing their names and begging Ally to bring them on because they're so great and would instantly change the game. I actually heard one guy compare McKay to Davie Cooper! What is going on? Anyone with an ounce of football knowledge can see these guys are absolute dumplings who are only playing because of the position we are in and even then they can't stand out against part-time opposition. Please stop saying these kids are remotely good, because they're not and anyone saying otherwise is embarrassing themselves. MacLeod is decent, but again nothing special and probably won't be around long after we are back in the SPL.

4) The few players we have who are any good, namely Wallace and Templeton who played yesterday, are being consistently dragged down to the awful "standards" of their teammates. Templeton is the only one who goes looking for the ball to at least try and make things happen, but he has to do too much due to the shortcomings of his teammates who don't understand the concept of moving in to space and inevitably loses possession. Wallace nine times out of ten is our best player, but it's obvious he is disheartened at times with what's going on around him. I can't help but think his talents are wasted here.

5) Our supporters, for the most part, are fantastic and deserve so much better. We sang from half an hour before kick off until the 120th minute. Although, the "Union Bears" and "Blue Order" are mindless little boys who haven't a scooby about football. They go for the drink and to shout sectarian obscenities. I told the guy in front of me twice to shut his mouth when he was singing the Billy Boys. These guys claim to be the voice of Rangers, but they are dragging the club down with the drug and drink fuelled rants at games. They are in the minority though, it has to be said. Another thing though, while people hang on to this tag of being so loyal etc and always turning out in huge numbers, things will not improve. Blind loyalty will get us nowhere.

6) Everyone is bleating on about how much we need our new players and how everything will be alright after September 1st. Please stop. We have not signed Messi, Ronaldo etc. We have signed some good players, better than what we have certainly. However, if you think that come September everything will be rosey again and we will suddenly be entertained and enjoy going to games, I suggest you think again, because that is not going to happen.

I left the house at 1130 yesterday to head up to the game and got home at 1930. I was actually sat last night talking to my Dad about the game and thinking about how many other ways I could have spent my day other than going to watch the team I love. That sums it up for me. I have never felt that way before and it's actually really sad. The football is so bad that I don't want to go and watch Rangers. I hear people saying it's glory hunting if you don't go for those reasons, but the fact is, it's called sense. I am a Rangers man through and through, but I am also a football fan and I want/expect to be entertained and get value for my money. If people want to keep going simply to keep up this facade that they are fantastic supporters, despite moaning for 90 minutes about how bad it is and continue with their blind loyalty, then fair play to them.

I can't remember the last time I came away from a game thinking we had played really well. I'm sick of it and I won't be doing it anymore, it's a waste of my time and money.

WE DESERVE BETTER.

GRD

Fair post, no-one could argue with anything that you said.

I remember the last time I came in from a game feeling like that. Early 80's John Greig was the manager. John Greig, Rangers icon, hero to tens of thousands, Legend. Over the course a couple of seasons he became the laughing stock of Scottish football to the point that even his legendary status could not deflect the flak focused on him. The similarities are astounding. Sound familiar Ally?

It truly is a sad state of affairs GRD and nothing you have said is anything other than the truth.
Really honest post and although things seem hopeless right now the future looks much brighter knowing there are supporters like you willing to tell the truth.
It is a sh1tey state of affairs and no amount of mindless chanting will make it any better.
It's about time we got together and told the club what we really think about the future of our club.

04 Aug 2013 01:37:07
What's your thoughts on the game ally?

I don't like Charles green.

Why did you get beat today ally?

It's Charles greens fault.

Will you ever win any cup matches in your managerial career ally?

Eh, I hate Charles green.

Ally, enough is enough. Your not even good enough to be coaching the under 12s never mind the first team. No excuses, stop deflecting and just go. Please on behalf of anyone who is a rangers fan with half a brain, please do walking away!

Your last paragraph sums up your ridiculous rant, any rangers fan with half a brain? get a grip, as for charles green I agree with allys comments that man was brought back the day after a egm was requested and I would like frank blin to be appointed as his remit is going to be to go through all finances at rangers with a fine tooth comb and then finally we will get the answers and more importantly the truth we are all due and entitled to, pardon me for the rant. BT

He won't walk and there is no money to pay him and his team off.

Must look after that salary and bonus.

Ally said, "The worst Team in history, the worst CEO in history, that's bad luck". what about the WORST MANAGER IN OUR HISTORY ALLY?

Just read on rangers website. Ally not blaming green, but the conditions. Certainly not his fault, but he is confident rangers will improve. I'm taking it that this is when he's gone.

Blueice

Last season he blamed the players, lack of friendlies, acclimatising to the new league and just about anyone or anything except facing the blatant facts, McCoist is a total liability to Rangers and will never walk, its up to us to force him out, and I for one cannot wait to see that smug smile wiped off his face, when he is labelled the worst manager in our history and kicked out of Ibrox like the disloyal self serving charlatan that he really is.

Smokey Bear

@1 after yesterday's first round exit in a cup competition that could have earned more money for the club those of us who have not witnessed anything in Ally McCoist suggesting management ability are entitled to rant.
I agree Frank Blin with his background should be able to forensically dissect the accounts and see where exactly we are off the field. But on it we are out of yet another cup.
You do not need to forensically analyse Ally as a manager the performances and results tell you- nil points. And I don't apologise for the rant I pay for a season ticket every year not for McCoist, Smith, Green Mather Ahmed or any of these characters but because Rangers are my team. It is a curse and a disease I inherited from my Granfather, Father and uncles but I wouldn't have it any other way. Just whoever is in charge give us a team and a manager to bring us some success please

BT, your are proving my point and listening to super ally again! We just got dumped out of another cup, this time by Forfar and you are saying that super ally is right! I apologise for using the term half a brain when you clearly have no brain! Wake up stop eating everything ally feeds you. I'm taking about football, not finances or boardroom trouble. Football, and ally is not the man. We get beat and it's Charles greens fault? Grow up.

No8, if you want to read my post again I at no point blame green for yesterdays result or performances and I would like to think a fair minded fan would concede that all 8 signings will walk into that team and enhance it so the te to oust mccoist and co is when he can't get all of them playing proper football and if he can't I will be first to say goodbye and green is back to protect his money and all I wish for is real rangers people to take over club and let us progress forward, wishful thinking? Sadly probably. BT

04 Aug 2013 00:49:18
Dear Fellow Bears

I am a HUGE supporter of Walter Smith. I get angered by many of the posters on here who constantly criticise WS for not telling fans what's going on and/or claim he's only interested in the money etc, etc. Why can't these people see the BIGGER picture.

Right now WS is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't in his role of Chairman. It's an unenviable position to be in and takes a very strong willed individual to take on such a role against the backdrop of what is still clearly a divided management team and business.

WE fans need WS to remain in position. NOT resign. as it gives McColl and whoever else in the latest Blue Knights incarnation their "inside man". as well as us fans.

I've read on here posts from fans saying how WS could /should leak information via his media contacts to prove he cares etc. Sure WS has a certain influence within the Scottish Press Corp but he now holds a position where he cannot risk such actions. He now holds corporate responsibilities and liabilities as Chairman and must adhere to a set of rules as outlined by the Stock Exchange. If he was to breach these undertakings, it could lead to criminal proceedings against him. For example. (and hypothetical of course)

The Daily Record run an "exclusive" story claiming only £5M remains of the £23M floatation and after all season ticket money has been amortised across the year there still remains a cash flow shortfall of approx. £650K per month. There is serious risk the company will be trading insolvently by Jan / Feb 2014 and thus risks re-entering a second Administration.

Now let's just agree for the sake of argument this was real (and perhaps it is). and the media get hold of the story with some well supported facts. once that's in the public domain, the share price will tumble. That is great for a Jim McColl or suchlike to come charging in and snap up the club for a song. but if it was ever discovered the story was leaked by someone on the inside, that person could become the subject of an investigation by the SFO (Serious Fraud Office).

So Bears, please trust Walter. He DOES care and he DOES have the club's best interests at heart.

My opinion. my guess. is if McColl's EGM fails to materialise and/or fails to get the required backing to remove the targeted Directors, WS will resign. We will know that outcome by the end of this month. If the worst happened and WS does resign, let that tell you we are in very grave danger of going to the wall (again)!

SPM

P. S.
And regards WS's salary, I think you will find non-exec officers of company's tend to receive a standard fixed salary which would range between £30K to £60K per annum. which is absolutely nothing compared to the ridiculous salaries (excluding bonuses) being taken by McCoist, Mather, Stockbridge and Traynor. These 4 alone account for £1. 6M per annum!

UUmm if you have the potential story I bet the MSM have it. they jus need the b***s to print it.
Good luck with the return of Charlie Chuckles

Thank you Ally. and we do trust the cardigan.

Your loyalty to Walter is admirable but misguided. Your points about staying inside the tent are valid but you miss one point. Walter could easily leak information through a third party, something I believe he has done already, to inform fans of the situation at Ibrox. The shares are important but this seasons uptake of season tickets were the key. If the company burn rate is as bad as the mid season report suggested these were needed badly. Then there was the Malcolm Murray situation. After the disgraceful leaking of him to a tabloid the gloves should have been off. Walter should have backed him and threatened to walk. this would have let all fans know that something was very wrong in Ibrox. As for the latest 'Blue Knights'? why would they be willing to pay as much as five times the amount they could have got the club for ahead of Green? The whole club is a shambles in a business sense and Walter should get out quick as he will be dragged into the mess further should he stay.

£60k out of a club who are financially insecure is still a lot of money.

Good post and agree with almost all of it. I think also on balance although a lot of bears will question Paul Murray's track record - wrongly in my opinion there will be a majority wanting Jim McColl, Frank Blin and Paul Murray to succeed. Our problem with that is we will then have a playing legend as our manager who is in an even stronger position with the boardroom whereas even his strongest supporters in the fans are beginning to question his ability to manage. Being old enough to remember John Greig's unfortunate 5 years as manager I hope we will not have to suffer a similar period with Ally. John is a legend Ally is a legend but both are legends as players- management is something else.

04 Aug 2013 11:42:37
So Walter can't leak information to the press but he can pass on sensitive information to his pals from a rival consortium and act as their 'inside man'?

I don't think you know as much about corporate governance as you'd like us all to believe, mate.

@op see if Walter and ally wer rangers men they would tell the fans wtf is going on but their silence is deafening and to make matters worse they are getting their share of the money and also if they really wer rangers men like the fans the real rangers men they would come out and tell everything regardless of the consequences just look at the green situation he leaves in may and the fans think all is ok because of ally and Walter then so buy 34 thousand season tickets and then two months later greedy green returns I honestly wish it was another club because I would kill myself laughing at this situation we find ourselves in

04 Aug 2013 00:15:38
Dear Fellow Bears

One must admire McCoist's modesty when ripping into Charlie in a sad, blatant, embarrassment of an attempt to deflect attention from the serious shortcomings of his own performance as Manager of our club.

To say it has to be. "unfortunate to be the worst Rangers team in history at the same time as having the worst Chief Executive (dig at CG) in history". was pathetic!

Now I am not a huge fan of Charlie but putting all his showmanship and playing to the media stunts to the side, as a CEO he DID perform. He raised the initial investment to buy the club's assets. He (along with Malcolm Murray) raised £22M and a successful share flotation on AIM after only 6 months. amongst other achievements. As a CEO and based on his "job remit" I has to be acknowledged Charlie DELIVERED.

So for McCoist to refer to CG as the club's worst ever CEO is quite remarkable. Not only does McCoist clearly fail to recognise his own, many shortcomings as a Manager but he has also just publicly slaughtered the club's single largest shareholder!

Regardless of my own feelings and contempt for CG, McCoist has well and truly overstepped the mark this time. If his performances and constant failings in cup tournaments don't get him sacked, this stupid statement to the press may just get him it!

It puts Craig Mather in a very difficult situation and the attention shoud now turn to see what - if any - action Mather takes to discipline McCoist for this outburst!

SPM

04 Aug 2013 00:39:25
Charlie Green must be the worst CEO in Rangers' history.


Claiming he wanted to put Ally on a 25 year contract being proof of his stupidity.

Seriously welcome back Charlie. Please sort this mess out, you're prob the only guy capable of making the big decisions. Like sacking Ally.

Is Charles green not the only ceo in rangers history? :-)

The whole club is a f-@rse and should be closed put all the board and sally out on the street the support should turn their backs on this shambolic rencarnation of a oncr huge institution form a club of their own they can follow and br proud of because what green and hus coherts have botched together from the remains of rangers is only there to serve the money hungry spivs and to hell with the fans the best bit of propaganda spouted was by sally the don't do walking away nonsense was engineered to make sure thr loyal support continued to turn up and empty it's pockets in some sort of proud defiant stance we'll good luck because this rangers will never amount to anything because there will never be two directors pulling in the same direction and none have the supporters intrests at heart
thommyj