Rangers Banter Archive July 04 2011

04 Jul 2011 21:57:03
thomas hitzelberger would be an amazing bosman... Trying to whore himself back to villa tho, would be nice to see another German with a thunderous left dig again...
hees also nicknamed the hammer lol

Injury prone hasbeen

He would be a "marquee" signing and Mccoist has said that wont be happenin im afraid... but im the same as you, as soon as i seen he was available on a free I automatically thought Rangers should go for him.. Same with Matthew Upson but wages would be a huge factor.. In this day and age we simply cant afford these type of players im afraid. {Ed001's Note - you really wouldn't want Upson, forget the fact he is made of glass, he is awful, one of the worst players I have ever seen play in the English Prem.}

Hitzelsperger is better than steve davis who you lot claim is the best midfeilder in the spl but fortunatley for hitzelsperger you lot cant afford him

Id rather have him over davie weir and kirk broadfoot any day of the week

04 Jul 2011 21:13:43
Dpnt really get tge santa cruz thing??, this is a guy who was full of promise when he was 18 ar bayern, , not really done much since

04 Jul 2011 20:11:13
Juan Manuel Ortiz anyone know what the fee is?

04 Jul 2011 19:18:19
Rangers supposedly getting Livermore and khumalo on loan from tottenham and that ortiz guy from almeria. I can't believe how things can improve so much In a matter of days and that these guys are actually really good.

Monk

No1 signed yet

I dont know why we are all happy that we may be getting 2 players on loan from spurs and assuming that they must be good. From what I hear neither of them have kicked a ball for spurs - well sorry livermore has played one game. Not rated by spurs fans at all. Surely we should be buying players and not relying on loans otherwise we will find ourself short at the end of theloan deals again

We wouldn't have won the league last year without our loan signings so i don't see your point, i think we could rely alot on loanees.

To the guy who said no ones signed yet that's why I used the word supposedly, not official but looks likely.

Erm because we can add decent players to the team without paying a fee. dooooh?

04 Jul 2011 19:13:36
Harry Redknapp states live on Sky Sports he met with Craig Whyte last week, Jake Livermore and Bongani Khumalo, the players mentioned by Harry that he wants to send on loan under Ally

04 Jul 2011 18:05:39
Evening Bears,

Great news today with Whittaker and McGregor and now the possibility of Davis.

There are a few rumours flying around after McCoist had said he needed a squad instead of a huge money signing. Was wondering if anybody else had heard that we are looking to pick up players with SPL experience who would cost huge sums, the names I have heard so far are;

Ricky Foster- Obvious Link after last season
Murray Davidson- Been linked for a while now
Dougie Imrie- Rangers mad and would cost buttons from accies
Mark Reynolds- Went to Sheff Wed and done nout, we were interested previously too

All 4 fit into that criteria like broadfoot, mcculloch etc where they are versatile and can play different positions.

Personally I think all 4 would be decent squad players for us.

Ed, what do you think?

{Ed010's Note -I agree that we need to bring in squad players and due to the crazy money, both wanted and being offered for players in the EPL and the Championship, the english lower leagues and the SPL/SFL are certainly the place to look. If any confirmation were ever needed that there are quality players out there, we only need to look at players, who were playing with clubs in the SPL and SFL, not that long ago.

Players like Robert Snodgrass, James MacArthur, James McCarthy and Leigh Griffiths, all moved to England for relatively small fees, only now for some of them to be worth ten times what was paid.

Just looking at your list of four, there are two players who may still have the potential to fall into that category and they are Davidson and Reynolds. Even if they dont, for the fees that are being speculated, they are well worth a punt. The other two players, in my opinion, could do a job for us but they are and always going to be no better than good solid pros, in my opinion.

04 Jul 2011 19:00:40
Saddens me to read the regard a former treble winning captain of our great club is held in. Barry ferguson is the best Scottish/rangers player of his generation, mculloch himself would tell you he couldny lace barrys boots.

Totally agree cosest thing to a footballer scotland will ever see again people like commons brown etc. cant play football johann cruyff said he couldve played fr anyteam vision teamwork passing unbelievable

Very good point my friend. The guy was different class. Well, in his first spell at the club anyway.

Sadly, a player's career ends at some point and I would see it as a huge mistake if we went for him again.

No doubting what he has done for us though. Brilliant player.

RB.

Why name commons and brown? i can name about 15 players who are better than bazza backpass

04 Jul 2011 18:22:38
some spanish player called juan manuel ortiz at murray park, a fee has been agreed. know anything about him ed?

{Ed010's Note -I have published on the banter page, a well written article by a fellow fan, which explains all about the player. Personally I was only aware of the name from watching La Liga on Sky.

04 Jul 2011 18:27:10
Spanish utility man Juan Manuel Ortiz is at Murray Park holding talks with Rangers, STV can reveal.

The 29-year-old, who is currently contracted to Spanish second tier side UD Almeria, predominently plays on the right of midfield. The versatile player has also featured for his club on the left flank and in both full-back positions.

An agreement is already in place between the two clubs for the transfer of the player, with Almeria subsequently giving Ortiz permission to travel to Glasgow.

Speaking to STV, Almeria's sporting director Alberto Benito confirmed his player was in talks with Rangers. "I can confirm we have had talks with Glasgow Rangers have reached an agremeent over a fee for Juanma, " he said. "He has been with Almeria for four years and he is a very important player.

"He can play in several positions. He can play on the left or right hand side of attack, but also defensive left and right. He is also very quick."

When asked if he was happy for his player to leave the club, Benito replied: "No we are not happy. But for him, who is a very good person and player, this is a good move.

"It is important for him to play at a big club like Glasgow Rangers, who have the chance to play in Champions League.

"For me it is a big problem because I now have to find three players to replace him."

Ortiz, also known as Juanma, started his career with Atletico Madrid, making five appearances for the club while also spending spells out on loan with Osasun and Poli Eijdo.

A move to Almeria followed in 2007 and he has gone on to play 126 times, scoring nine goals.

Almeria were relegated from La Liga at the end of the 2010/11 season, finishing in 20th position. Ortiz was subsequently told the club would not stand in his way if an offer came in, along with a host of other first team players at the club.

04 Jul 2011 18:03:23
It was interesting to read the comments around Rangers failure in the transfer market. Surely seeing our existing talent sign long term is a good thing (naismith, whittiker, macgregor, hopefully davis and emerging youngsters). I am happy this team looks to be staying in place since it performed very well in recent seasons and held its own in Europe. The tough times seem to have cemented their team spirit (ignore the media and agent talk).

I do not care if the likes of danns or hemed did not sign. They were probably not happy at being squad players. Signing a squad player will be difficult since the championship would provide more chances to play on equal wages and the epl offers more money. Obviously, it is frustrating, but I am sure rangers are working on signing the few quality players we need to add (left wing; central defence). I am impressed with Whyte signing up the existing team and trust he will do us proud even with the media spotlight telling us otherwise.

4 in a row easy

04 Jul 2011 16:50:27
Would people please stop lieing about how they know that Santa Cruz is joining. I'm a Rangers fan but there's just absolutely no way.
Especially after McCoist saying he wants to go for quantity over quality. You guys just don't realise the cost of wages over a year even if it was only a loan.
Davie

Erm diouf was on higher wages than what santa cruz is

No chance santa cruz is on 60k plus diouf was on 30 to 35k plus look how diouf worked out

Diouf was on 50k per week and we picked up 25% off his wages (12.5k) because keen wanted him out due to falling out and the incident with jamie mackie.

04 Jul 2011 16:29:05
so greegsy has signed a 5 year contract the guy loves the club and plays for the shirt he cud have easily doubled what we offered him in england thats what its all about playing for the mighty glasgow rangers cant beat it

6-year contract, £26,000 a week, highest payed player in the SPL

We Are All Allan McGregor

Yesss Lock up your daughters and keep you wifes at home McShaggers staying in Glasgow. Glad he's staying. One of the top 3 shot stoppers in Britain for me

6year deal doesnt mean he stays FACT

All this means if hes leeving we get more money.

Timmy alert enough of the FACT s**te ;) atleast this means 15million or more for the him best goallie in britain , boughie best defender in scotland davis best midfielder jelavic best striker ohh saddays for scumtic

More desperate timothys... here we go, 4 in a row FACT

04 Jul 2011 16:08:14
Evening Times - Big three contracts pretty much concluded over the wknd there, that is Sha**er Mcg, Whitty and Davis, seems davis penning 5 year contract also.

Durrant says that securing current squad was priority i.e, sasa, kerkar, healy, sha**er, whitty n davis. That 6 new contracts for the disalusioned bears out there. Durrant also says now switching to recreuiting plays and trying for at least 1 new face this week.

Like av said previously today Mr Whyte only in doors and up staircase to blue heaven for 10 wks, he doing his job, sorted LTSB stranglehold resigned players upgrading statia, murry park to follow, and got rid of all the old board members who critisied him, that alot in the short time he been here, have faith the future Whyte n Orange n Blue, ha ha ha ha 4IAR

04 Jul 2011 15:19:15
Thats greegsy n whitts signed up fur 6 years n 5 years just wee davis nw it wiz on radio clyde sport. Brogie 82

04 Jul 2011 14:46:15
Rangers apparantly wont be buying anyone big at all. Dont expect anything big it will just be loans when the english clubs cant fit players into their squads, lets hope some decent players get left out cause thats the only way rangers will get anyone decent this season.

04 Jul 2011 14:15:24
does any1 have any good rumours/gossip apart from the usual gattuso etc.....

glad were signing out bigger names on long contracts

now lets get some new faces in :)

BALLYBOY1690 (FOLLOW ME ON TWITTER)

04 Jul 2011 13:49:18
fans can't be too critical of the new regime, I think. Whyte has said from the start that McCoist will get around 5million a season over the next 5 years, but it's the sheer volume of players required that is causing the problems. They've lost 4 loan players (Bartley, Veiss, Foster, Diouf) from a squad that was pretty f***ing bare to start with. They need at least 8 players imo to get the squad competitive.

The owners/management team were probably hoping to get 2 or 3 players in on a free transfer (Danns, Conway, maybe Gomis?), supplement that with 2 or 3 loans (Bartley and Wilson) and then a couple of players for as cheap as possible (Celluar, Goodwillie, Wallace). Clearly hasn't worked out that way. Failure to land their original free transfer targets mean that they now have to budget for buying players, which reduces the amount they can offer for each player. The fact that they're not the only team going for these players also complicates things, as clubs can play hardball knowing that they don't have to accept the s**tty offers that the old firm have historically put in because there are a bunch of championship clubs who have realised that there is good value to be had in the SPL transfer market. Years ago, Dundee Utd would've accepted the original bid for Goodwillie, and Wallace would've been sold a lot quicker, too.

The main thing the new owners can do to get the fans onside is to not sell anyone. If they can tie up the likes of Bougherra, Whittaker and McGregor up on long term deals then that'll go a long way to keeping them happy. That said, if the club continues to have problems attracting players, I can see Bougherra, McGregor and even Jelavic getting moved on to free up additional funds.

Good value for championship clubs my a**e, most of them are total garbage down there and end up wanting back, what the hell has boyd done? tommo hasn, t kicked a ball, all that duds the dhims put to boro havn, t done nothing, the dons have gotten rid of heaps that are never heard of again. The championship just a get out for money grabbers and ends up being like the bermuda triangle of the football world

04 Jul 2011 13:33:11
Well fellow bears can we finally get off Mr W and Ally's back. Lets look at facts. Debt all but taken out our name no longer under LTSB strangle hold. Ibrox upgraded, Murry Park next.

Players
Short deals - Sasa, Kerkar, Healy all 1 year deals, with no surrender davie wier next.
Long Term - McSha**er and Whitty both bumper deals 20k + with Davis to follow.
We have not sold any players so got 3IAR champs still together.

So what we never got a few bosmans and a guy from the middle east wat the problem with that. And would u waste £2 mill on wee bad news willie who would become well aquanted with Strathclyde police if he came to Glasgow?? So lay of Mr Whyte.

The man only been in the door 10 wks or so and some bears are at his throat. Give him a chance. Also Let see Ally get a chance too, just cause he taking his time in signing some players dont mean he a puppet on a string, the man has won 12 league medals as player and assist manager so lets all get behind him for 4IAR and his 13th Lest u all forget that WATP and we shall not be moved.

I am very confident that the signings shall come in due course, bosmans, loans or your average joe who cares we got the core from last year and various youngsters who will all shine. Were is Seliks youth?? They Dont have any they feel good enough so will keep getting themselves in debt to catch us Add rather be in our shoes that that manky lots Lets keep it together fellow bears

Spot on mate.It was always a priority to keep Mcgregor, Whittaker and Davis and if these players are making more money than Jelavic then no problem, they deserve it for their service.Jelavic has already said he will stay for one more year then he will be off for big money.He is only using us as a stop gap and the sale of him next summer will boost Ally's war chest.hopefully have a cracking season, win us 4 in a row then make a cracking profit.I expect moves in the transfer market over the next week once Davis has signed his new deal.Would love us to get King Carlos back as it looks like he will be match fit in august.It might be he comes in January if Weir signs a 1yr deal.The future's bright, the future's Orange.Bougy needs to extend his contract once he realises no one else wants him.

04 Jul 2011 12:50:04
There we go, many have criticized Mr Whyte. Today Whittaker and McGregor have signed long term contracts. The most important thing was to keep our squad together, we have almost done that. Just Weir and Davis to go.

04 Jul 2011 13:18:34
Well done mr whyte u made the best signing any of us could possibly ask for and tied up allan mcgreggor
Off this mans back
Larky bear

04 Jul 2011 12:22:41
Mcgregor signed a 6 year deal. Whittaker signed 5 year deal. CONFIRMED SSN. Press conference at 1pm WATP. STEVE DAVIS OFFERED 5 YEAR DEAL

04 Jul 2011 12:20:09
come on whittaker and mcgregor, another title in the bag. about time they agreed contracts

No its not

04 Jul 2011 11:42:08
with a run of the mill player like whitty holding mr whyte to ransom with the reported 25 grand a week on the table, what kind of message does this send out to guys like davis, jelavic etc who are on less cash than what this guys been offered, never in a million years is he a 25 grand a week player, how much does davis think hes worth a week after this?very foolish move imho

I think this shows how much u know about football and it's workings, whitty never held mr whyte to ransom because SUPER ALLY has a budget to work with if he thought whitty wasn't worth the money he would have sold him or let him see out the final year of his contract. So it has f*** all to do with mr whyte all to do with SUPER ALLY but u r also a mr whyte detractor so it suits u to say this, davis has been offered a new contract so we will find out if he is the RANGERS supporter he says he is and I don't think jelavic will be on peanuts but if u read his interviews I don't think he will see out his contract with us so, I don't have problem with that he has told us not like f***pigs who kiss the badge and f*** off like they do at the dark side but the point is whitty will probably now see out the best years of his career with us unless a big bid comes in for him also so stop talking s**te

So why did he knock back the 2 or 3 previous offers?

04 Jul 2011 10:49:55
Everyone on here stating how worried they are about McCoist's quantity not quality quote. . You all need to stop and think about this logically, Yes we need players . . but we need strength in depth and not just 1-2 marquee signings, Our starting 11 when fit was good enough to win the league but when we had injuries / suspensions, the cover coming into the team wasnt of a high enough standard. Thats why we need Quantity several good players to ensure consistency and not so much a few quality marquee signings that will destroy our transfer budgets and still leave us short in the event of injuries / suspensions

Thats me had my rant lol

WATP

04 Jul 2011 09:46:20
So Celtic fans, Rangers are still skint eh? 26k a wee would suggest different. Highest paid player in the SPL.

Gary.

So a mediocre pklayer gets £26k what is that going to do to the team balance when the rest renegotiate.

Kayal and izzy will be on more soon

04 Jul 2011 09:10:50
OMG, i read McCoist says Gers fans shouldn't expect big signings, he has said he wants quantity rather than quality, if this is true, we can expect another season of mediocricy.

Another season? We've won the league 3 seasons in a row.

Mediocricy u daft we won the league last season thats the biggest price available to us as we know we will never win a europen competion

No u fanny if u would listen to what he is saying it is that the quality is already there he said in the interview that the last 8 to 10 games we played excellent football which is correct the problem we had in mid season was that players like davis, naismith and lafferty were not performing to there best, so what he is doing is adding numbers to boost a threadbare squad but if u beleive he is not going to try and get the best he can for RANGERS because he has tried to get good players in so far but has not for whatever reason then as I said at the start u r a fanny

Are you trying to tell me you were/are happy with all the (quality) players we have at Ibrox ? i think it's u who is the fanny. McGregor, Davis, Naismith & Jelavic are the only decent players at Ibrox, the rest are basically squad players. We had been told already that any additional players signed, will be to strengthen the team but it sounds now like whoever comes in will just be an ordinary player who will be on low wages. I have already said, we should have signed certain players who were on a free transfer (which means we didn't have to shell out money for them, just for those idiots who don't understand) & give them something like £20,000 - £30,000 pw, after all, we have given Greegsy £26,000 per week (but he's worth it).

Disagree about the mid season bit mate, the problem mid season was Walters negativity against that shower of sh*t, that almost cost us the title and deffo cost us the S.cup.We took a while to recover from those games, last ten we were strong, determined and really very good.We need to take this on into this season and qualify for CL, and hit the ground running against the Hearts, IMO
Rangers 'til I die

Give danns, hemed and conway between 20 and 30k a week your no a fanny your a rocket away and play fm2011 give them how much u want thats it give squad players a fortune to sit on bench of course shagger is worth it because he is a first team player but u don't give players that sort of money just because they r on a free they have to justify their wages

How can you brand Whittaker mediocre when he is the highest scoring full-back in the SPL? Are you really a Gers man?

04 Jul 2011 02:26:41
The amount of fans on here spouting the same old bollocks about weiss and novo are idiots. I am so fed up hearing fans sing the praises of medi-okre players all because they say they now love rangers. Same goes for the fans who like signing N.I. players such as Healy etc. Step out of this sectarian bulls**t and lets start signing quality players if we can.

I am slightly worried about the goings on at ibrox just now. No signings, losing out on players, paying diddy wages, its quite worrying. We need about 7-8 players AT LEAST. Loanees from Chelsea as well will be players fairly unknown, not Kakuta or McEachren. Seriously the amount of bulls**t lies on this site from "fans" who claim to know "rumours" says it all. Be realistic.

04 Jul 2011 01:09:52
Seen in one of Sunday's papers that Durrant said he guarantees Fleck will fulfill his potential and that he feels he had too much too soon at 16/17. Also said the coaches have to take some blame as they hadnt found his best position (which i believe is behind striker). I really hope he's right as I like Fleck he has real ability but now is his time to get a run in the team and show it. He still has more than enough time to become a Rangers legend, but thats the key word 'Time'. Lets not pressurise the lad, let him get some games, ease him in then he will show what hes really capable of, Im sure of that.

Whats your thoughts on John ed?


{Ed010's Note - let's be fair, when John Fleck first broke through, all Rangers fans thought we had a "superstar" on our hands, the world was his oyster as it were. Then, over a period of 5 years, something happened and as you quite rightly pointed out. Other players who were not even considered as capable of "lacing his boots", from nowhere, overtook him in the pecking order and quite rightly so. The question is what has happened to John Fleck.

Perhaps Ian Durrant is right in his observation and his hopes for Fleck's future but how much "time" do Rangers give him. If Fleck had demonstrated his potential in past years, he would have been gone by now and in my opinion that may be the route cause of his problems. He knows how good he can be, Rangers fans know how good he can be and the Rangers coaching staff know how good he can be. John Fleck is under so much pressure at Rangers, living up to these expectations, that he is unable to relax and therefore cannot perform to those high levels.

I have serious doubts that he will reach the heights that Durrant believes will come his way this season. That is not to say that he can't in the future but in my opinion, in order to get the best from him, Rangers should loan him out for a season, even though we are "short staffed". I know it's different positions but look what happened to Allan McGregor, after he returned from loan spells at St Johnstone and Dunfermline.

Although I have made my feelings known, it is quite obvious that Rangers will be keeping him this season and since that is the case, I am in total agreement with you that we need to make sure that he is under as little pressure as possible. My opinion is that he should be played in games against the St Mirrens, Dunfermlines and Kilmarnocks of this world, games where he has the potential to "express" himself more easily.

Only "time" will tell if our superstar returns, like a phoenix, out of the ashes.

Good luck John !

Totally agree Ed, hopefully Ally lets the boy show what he can do

Good call on loaning him out. If he does not improve after that then get rid of him as you rightly put it, he has been with the Gers for 5 years now and not done anything. He has a bit of a poor attitude also which has been questioned at times. We need to get a fitness coach who takes personal responsibility in the players. It is clear to see he does not eat well, which is a joke when you look at the amount of money they are getting. I am sick of seeing players who are either, too fat, not fit or too slow. All easily sorted by a good fitness coach.

Ed010.. he broke through 2 maby 3 years ago the lads only 19 years of age and ur talking like hes doomed lets not forget hes showed alot of promise i think it would be absalout madness to loan him out knowing what he can offer to our threadbare squad and as for durrants comments, he watches fleck day in day out in training, so obviously he sees a real talent there to make them accuasations its not all doom and gloom ed010 lol

{Ed010's Note -I didn't intend my reponses to appear as "doom and gloom", I was merely trying to suggest that in my opinion, John Fleck would be better served to go on loan for a time, in order to get his confidence back and by doing so, will come back to us a far better player.

I have sat at Ibrox and at away matches when Fleck was "ridiculed" from the stands if he misplaced a pass or lost possession. That cannot be easy for the lad and no matter what Ian Durrant thinks, it's all down to Fleck. The minute that he pulls on the Rangers jersey, he is going to be under so much pressure to succeed, that it may be counter productive. By going to another club on loan, he will not have that pressure, will gain confidence and most importantly get match fit. Even if the loan is for only 6 months, I think that would be the best option for him and for Rangers, threadbare squad or not.

04 Jul 2011 00:30:32
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