Rangers Banter Archive July 04 2015

 

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04 Jul 2015 16:32:56
Not sure if everyone will agree with this but wanted to gauge the feeling. If I won the lottery tonight and have enough for my family to be looked after and have enough left to maybe buy a player for Rangers I believe I would do so. With supposed Rangers fans with way more money than a lottery win in their pocket (i.e. the McColls of the world) would you in their shoes not be saying to rangers " here's £1.5m stop pissing about and go get Scott Allen!"

Appreciate it's easy to say but I genuinely believe if I had their wealth I would have done so already!

Sorry for the rant but I get jacked off thinking about the so called rich Rangers fans who have done diddly squat to help the club. Some have and I for one am very grateful

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04 Jul 2015 17:25:46
I agree to an extent mate. I've thought about this before. Doesn't even have to be one guy it could be a group of 3 or 4 rich fans chucking in 500k or so each which would get us allan and macleod back. I reckon if I won a few million I'd do it but at the same time it's probably not as easy as that.

At the same time the way our club has been rum the last few years chucking in a million as a fan may well be the same as setting a million on fire.

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04 Jul 2015 18:23:40
Nice that you're comfortable telling us what jacks you off. Very umm enlightened of you to be willing to tell us.

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05 Jul 2015 06:42:42
Balloch

In Scotland you could actually assemble an SPFL winning squad with a small lottery win so keep sticking the £2 on and playing with yourself you may end up owning a team yet.

Personally I would do the Euromillions and would buy Hearts for us to 1. Give us an in depth squad and 2. Remove a competitor. If I only won UK Lotto then probably I would buy Anya as a gift to Rangers.

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05 Jul 2015 10:00:46
I'm sorry but if I won the lottery, say it was a big one of 12mil, i'd buy a a league 1 or 2 side and move them up into the prem, Just need to get one in a reasonably populated area and go from there. Basically do a Gretna, but better.

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05 Jul 2015 10:39:00
I would just bugger off to stay in Ibiza and watch the Gers on a big telly

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05 Jul 2015 15:16:47
I'd consider recruiting 11 stunners to stay in my mansion taking it in turns to wear the home and away kits.

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04 Jul 2015 16:27:10
sitting on the train back to Ayr couple of Celtic fans just back from watching there team getting pumped and all there talking about is rangers who we are and who we are been linked to, talk about been obsessed by God they are

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04 Jul 2015 18:08:06
And they say they don't miss us! Well if you listen to Lawell they're missing another £10 million by us not going up!

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04 Jul 2015 23:57:29
They back playing friendlies - trying new players and getting ready for CL and riches there in.

We have just 1 possible friendly so far. ? WTF?

With our stadium and fans - some big European club should be welcomed. they only come for our training facilities these days.

King should get in a big club to lift our spirits.

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05 Jul 2015 03:44:39
Ohhh the Irony Ayr! You post about Celtic so who's Obsessed???.

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05 Jul 2015 08:19:04
JK74 - I'm also disappointed at the lack of pre season fixtures, great days at Wednesday and Derby over the last couple of years. However, I believe Warburton is playing it wisely, in that I mean he isn't advertising his formation, so when we get started it will be difficult for opponents to prepare, the element of surprise is ours.

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05 Jul 2015 13:24:33
Big teams will want big money to come, even to a championship side - I mean they're not charities. Also I love the notion that master tactician Warburton is not showing his hand. Hilarious.

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04 Jul 2015 13:25:13
gkk I know I keep banging away but billy b is continually rubbishing everthing that's going on he does not realise or won't the huge difference between revenue and expenses which king and co will have to fund plus what's spent on transfers repirs to stadium virtually every part of the club needs overhauled billy b statement that in days gone by fans bought there tickets and the owner funded the rest that has only happened I sdm tenure previous to that rangers were run for profit and none of the previous owners funded the club everything was paid out of club funds

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04 Jul 2015 15:28:01
BIGWULL, you want to read other poster's comments and not just what you want to see. You do not realise that your beloved murray did not put £1 into our club. Secondly, as far as company accountancy is concerned I could lose you with body-swerves, but I'll not go there.
Sir John Lawrence ran our club and funded it through thick and thin. This was all done behind closed doors and the punter paid his money at the turnstile and Sir John either made a profit or not. Yes things progress, as they should, but murray ripped the heart out of our club for self gain and what we see now is the remnants of his reign. I don't forget the great European events and the fabulous players we seen, but we are paying a heavy price for it now. Was it worth it? Maybe, maybe not.
Yes King has a difficult task but he should not make false promises. Prior to Green taking charge, I was so pro Dave King that I was even more boring than I am now, and my concern is that we will tread water until we sink.
I will not continue any further apart from to say, '' thank God you do not agree with me.'' FULLSTOP.

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04 Jul 2015 22:08:24
sir john lawrence run rangers as a buisness not a money pit then the marlborogh came in started spending money with david holmes overspent and had to sell to sdm for £6.5m and the rest as they ssay is history but tell me billy if david murraay did not put any money in whatsoever how did we manage and if u are so clever and make out there has been no investment by king or the board how will we fund the loses for the coming season or covering the losses does not count as investment or even better count up the projected income and then the seasons running costs who if not the board will pay that u with your season book a pie and a bovril at every home game billy all u do is critise the board sdm but u never mention whyte green ashley or the rest of the circus to be honest it ust looks like your an all bitter and twisted we man I never have been a fan of kings but in the position we are in he has to be taken at face value and as far as agreeing wiith u your super arithmetic don't add up but I will bet when we were winning leagues andv trophies under morray and getting into champions league u would be there with the rest of us singing and dancing course that's where u seem to suffer a memory block

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04 Jul 2015 22:51:57
Sdm is paying the bank back and has lost a very substantial amount of money/worth

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05 Jul 2015 00:10:08
How is SDM paying the bank back? His company folded with huge losses and even their pension fund had £35m hole?

He got millions from us (£6m ebt alone, consession sales, salaries ) , and left our company stripped of its core values ( assets, £50m stadium, £14m training ground) all gone for just £1?

Whyte seems to have got least - not in long enough - and only a few million missing.

Green seems to have his chateau and left us with contracts negociated without lawyers?? , leaving us with ownerous contracts all over the place, and payments to Super and others we cannot avoid. Raft of expenses with aim to blow the £22m ipo money as soon as possible - in his time a further £70m gone?

Now King in charge - with Ashley holding the purse strings.

We worldwide brand - and if you follow the money BIGWULL you will know who to blame.

Murrays time was great ( English clubs out of Europe ) - but the costs he brought on our club were horrendous. He devastated us and the Scottish football scene and Scottish football may never recover.

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05 Jul 2015 06:45:16
billyb,

Board EGM vote victory. here's what has happened since:

1. Very sound Financial Appointments made to secure a knowledgable and experienced board.

2. Ashley's deals with Green all investigated forensically and ongoing still to make sure Rangers get best deals possible.

3. Ashley stopped from trying to take back £5m he may well not be due having been awarded very dubious deals that do not benefit Rangers just Sports Direct, some for 7 years.

4. The top rated Management team as voted for by the fans appointed.

5. Every hanger on old pal backroom staff member removed.

6. McCoist approached about cancelling his contract to save some money for his beloved Rangers, refused and McCoist being paid in full.

7. 11 out of contract players binned and correctly chastised by King as wasters.

8. Money assured for continued running of Rangers no matter what the Season Ticket income, no ticketus style borrowing and money promised to Managemnt to totally rebuild the squad.

9. Within 3 weeks since, 7 players approached with every player to date signing or trying out to be signed and all the exact type of player our manager described he would go for. Young, quality, with potential to develop, with Scots, English and some experienced. Loanees being sourced already.

10. Initiation of new backroom staff and scouting system by Warburton.

So billyb and all the other doubters, we are 1 week into the first positive signing window for Rangers in 3 years with a highly rated Management Team in place and almost definately a plus 30,000 season ticket sales target projected based on demand and sales plus time until season starts.

What exactly is it you feel that the Board has not done in this short time?

I am sure you will still moan and whine as that is basically your nature as negative people and non Rangers fans but the rest of us will just do what we fans should do, support the board, management and the team as we appreciate compared to what we had running our team and what we had masquerading as management and a team we are in heaven right now.

Onwards and upwards as a team ignore the haters

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05 Jul 2015 09:51:44
KT I agree with a lot of your posts but with this one you are just spouting the Traynor-led MSM spin. There is a different take on all of those points - not hate-filled, just sensible objective questions that as rangers fans we really should be asking.

With reference to your numbered points above:

1. Sounds just like Graham Wallace who also came in with the red carpet treatment due to his reputation. How do we know these new appointments will work out any better? We don't.

2. There's no actual evidence of any "forensic investigation" or attempt to renegotiate contracts with Ashley, just a lot of hot air in the press. Notably no actual legal proceedings to challenge the legality of the contracts. How long does it take to "check" those contracts - the new board's been in since March.

3. That's one way of reading it. Another is that neither King nor the TB are prepared to call Ashley's bluff to pay off the £5m and immediately secure a much improved retail income stream for the club. Perhaps King can't afford to. We simply don't know.

4. Agree it was great to get the fans preferred management team in. But beside saying "Top Rated" we must add "promising" rather than "proven beyond doubt". Is this doing " whatever it takes" to secure automatic promotion, as King said he would? Davie Weir is "whatever it takes"?

5. Yes staff removed. But is that out of prudent financial management, or because we are downsizing because the working capital investment King promised is not being delivered? If the idea is to send out a good signal that the gravy train is over, the clearest signal in that direction would be to pay off McCoist in full right now and send him packing in disgrace. The fact that the backroom staff are being sacked while he stays in the garden suggests this is more a matter of us being skint than clever signals being sent out.


6. Not sure how you are reading this as a positive. If ratbag Ally won't do a deal for his beloved club then surely the positive thing to do would be to pay him in full now and remove his uncooperative #ss from the premises for good? The fact the new board hasn't done that, despite sacking other less well-paid staff, only suggests they can't afford it. How on earth is it a positive result that mccoist's bad greedy smell is being allowed to hang around?

7. Agreed we are all glad to see the back of these players. But to end their contracts in a way that has allowed them to bring more legal claims against the club is a mistake. Making sure they went quietly was a priority at this juncture, but here we are again facing court cases from ex-players like it's a routine thing.

8. "Money assured"? Are you sure? Why the emergency loans since the new board took over then? No ticketus style borrowing - maybe, but emergency loans still the preferred option under the new board. And as for the money "promised" to the management team, King "promised" a 3 year overspend frontloaded to this year. Any sign of that yet?

9. It's too early to judge the signing policy and actual signings of the new manager. But many will be suspecting he is just doing his best to talk a good game while scrabbling about with no money trying to find out of contract players in the lower echelons of the game. With Eustace also being talked to. It hasn't struck me as the masterplan funded by King's trusting blank chequebook that we were promised a few weeks ago.

10. Scouting system initiated? Talked about maybe. And way way too early to judge if it's any good of course. How can you claim this as a success at this point?

Look, I want the new manager to be a brilliant success too, I want us to be moving onwards and upwards. But please, let's be realistic. Regurgitating spin like it's actually good news is not the best way forward. We have to keep asking questions.

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05 Jul 2015 10:18:08
KT I agree with the majority of your posts and understand that I will be in a minority of 1 but points 4 and 5 I have difficulty with.
The fans - top management team etc. David Weir spectacularly failed in his only managerial appointment at Sheffield United.
Did Mr Warburton succeed at Brentford because David Weir was his second in command or would he have done the business on his own or with someone else?
Are they an essential and unbreakable partnership or is Big Davie there because he "is a Rangers man"?
Is David Weir a motivational talker? When you hear David Weir does it raise the hair on the back of the neck or do you think this is a typical ex footballer who wants to stay in the game but is perhaps not really cut out for people management?
Point 5 agreed the very costly non - affordable and unsuccessful old pals act seemed to being consigned to the bin until David Weir told us that all 11 might not be away totally some might make a return?
If the rumours are correct then McCulloch will be making a return. His qualifications for the job 2 number (A) He is a big friend of David Weir and (B) He is a Rangers man

Haven't we tried that cr@p before?

Otherwise I agree it is early doors and a few of the correct pieces of the jigsaw appear to be placed in the correct position.

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05 Jul 2015 12:22:15
kt 100% billy b rubbishes everthing the board has done (in my opinion for what's its worth I think they have done well and things are progressing nicely )it appears he would rather have ashley and co at the helm whether that would have been ok we will never know but now its king and the bears we must give them all the support and help we can to get us back on the road to recovery and with the way things are being handled I am confident this will happen as donald sutherland said no negative vibes billy b or we will get kojak on your case

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05 Jul 2015 12:32:17
the bear82 sdm did lose a fortune through rangers but never complained and if had not been forced to sell to whyte we would never been where we are now the club was operating profitably and bringing bank debt down year in year out no doubt this post will bring billy b out from below his stone

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05 Jul 2015 14:14:46
KT, I like your stance but disagree with how you interpret what is going on. My thinking is more on the line taken by Paulineblue as it is a more reallistic appraisal of what is happening.
As far as you are concerned wull, you are becoming a bit too personal but that's what happens when you run out of argument in the defence of a lost cause.[murray.]

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05 Jul 2015 16:17:04
billyb and bigwull whilst your spat is very entertaining and between you there is a very substantial knowledge of our club- I worry about your blood pressures. So calm down and take your tablets.

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05 Jul 2015 18:40:47
Thanks for the thought, mannering, but the blood pressure tablets are taken in the morning. It would take more than this to worry me. Cheers mate.

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05 Jul 2015 19:02:12
They have put £1.5m each in emergency loans Pauline that will be converted to equity at the share issue, your supreme wisdom missed that. King and the 3 bears will ha e to invest further millions to get through this season too. The share issue will happen during the season to raise funds for substantial further investment for the SPL, King and T3B are under writing that so I don't see any more they can better apart from bring in a billionaire sugar daddy, which is the last thing we need, Chelsea owe Abramovich £1 billion.ThrThe mistake most make is they think these guys just give millions or billions, they don't. We experienced it on a smaller scale with SDM and its fine until the merd hits the fan or they get bored and walk away, we can vouch for that. I never want my Club in that position again and like the fact the Board are taking a measured approach.

Having read a large number of your posts, all negative about our current Board or Chairman, which is fine, its only your opinion, which will be proved right or wrong in due course, the really annoying part is the lack of alternative suggestions you make.

If King and co, listened to you and the like and pulled the plug right now and resigned, what would be your solution? Do you think we would ever het out of this league? If its yes please tell us your plan, I'm sure I'm one of many who would like to see your idea of a solution, and at least one positive post from you about Rangers.

I wait with baited breath.

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05 Jul 2015 21:46:02
Gers68 please leave your breath out of it, I'm sure no-one on here wants to imagine that. I certainly don't.

Let's pause for a sec here. I raise a sensible question as to what the reason might be if players have indeed not been paid holiday pay as they allege. You come on all foaming at the mouth, shouting some crackpot ignorant idea that people on fixed term contracts aren't entitled to paid holidays. I point out that you're completely wrong on that. And now you're trying to moan that I'm always negative?

Bud you should be looking yourself in the mirror and asking "why did I jump to the Boards defence without thinking, and on the basis of a completely imaginary provision of employment law?" If only you and others like you would seriously ask yourself that kind of question before banging the drum - THAT would be the positive change I'd like to see.

I'd like to see our fans thinking for themselves, instead of doggedly sticking to the hero worship narrative as soon as anyone raises an awkward question. If ever fan ownership is to become a reality, for example, we need a fan base that can think and decide things for itself. Until I see that happen I will keep doing my bit to point out things that really should make us fans think twice and ask some questions.

That's the positive contribution I'm making. Sorry it's not the poodle yapping, mouth foaming, brain empty cheerleading you like to indulge in. But I can't see how that's positive in any way at all.

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04 Jul 2015 09:30:56
billy b u continually post about kings millions not invested murrays legacy it s time u u wake up and smell the coffee king and the bears are the only team in town the loss for the coming season will have to befunded by king and co whether u approve of way they are doing things or not no one else wanted to put there hands in there pockets and more importantly fight ashley or billy would u rather have ashley at the helm ant the club trussed up futher with onerous contracts leaving us with season books as the only for revenue

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04 Jul 2015 10:48:38
That's aboot 4 times you've posted the same thing BIGWULL.
And its the only SHOW in town mate.

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04 Jul 2015 10:57:33
I'm with you mate. The stadium and MP need repairs we need a scouting network. Just because your not seeing money spent on paying transfer feed in the first 5 days of the transfer market opening doesn't mean Kingco are not puting the funds in. The snobbery of some of our fans needs to end, this is 3 year plan.

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04 Jul 2015 12:41:03
while I agree with most that has been said above surely use must also see why some fans are sceptible king said he would give the manager the season tickets money to spend on the squad so fans are holding him to this he has made a problem for himself by making that statement we all no that is not going to happen as it will be small fees free players and loans so far I am impressed with the quality of these signings we should have been targeting these type of players before now but we never atleast we are now king made the problem with his stupid statement and so far has failed to deliver on this and I serious doubt he will this is why some fans are not happy its not them that wants king to spend it is that he promised he would so some are holding him to that

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04 Jul 2015 13:17:09
craig8688 so far we have spent money especially danny wilsonswages until the team is built we won't know how much has been spent till then but at the minute things appear to be ticking away not to bad only time will tell

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04 Jul 2015 14:33:15
Not every decent player commands a transfer fee. There's nothing wrong with signing free transfers aslong as they are decent. I'd much rather sign Wes Foderingham on a free than a shite goalkeeper from the SPL for £500k for example. I'd also rather sign boys who have performed well in the league one in England who have attracted interest from teams in the championship for free rather than sign the likes of Adam Rooney for £500k for example.

If we can build a solid team who could potentially make us money on free transfers and spend a wee bit extra doing up the stadium and MP then I'm all for it. Throwing money at success is part of our problem after all

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04 Jul 2015 16:54:35
no there is nothing wrong with free signings like I said they are good quality but personally I would be making Scott Alan my top priorty and to get him we will have to spend money this is why some fans are frustrated as we are yet to see any serious money put in for a player surely we can afford 1 quality signing time will tell for now I am happy with the squad need get wabara signed up for right back slot these are good players but I understand where fans are coming from regarding no money being spent
bigwull am sure the saving on big jigs wages will be covering Wilson wage no problem squad is looking good at the back get midfield sorted next hopefully

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05 Jul 2015 00:14:14
if king said look there is £8m on table, and fans can add to it by ST and sharescheme in October that would be a start.

But he is not, in power for 3 months now and no substantial money on table. just need £10m, £20m, £30m . back in CL in 5y, 3y .

Put fixed plan on table, and follow it for next year so we know we can now trust him to deliver.

Otherwise will go way of recent in charge, short-term get-rich-quick merchants.

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05 Jul 2015 09:33:26
How can a man take on a Club who lost £8m last season alone get rich quick? We had to get loans of £5m from SD, £1.5m 3 bears and %1.5m King to get through the season and that's with 24,000 season ticket holders.

With 21,500 so far, even if we hit 30,000 King and co will loose £6m without buying a player, get rich quick, more like loose riches quick. Why do fans come on and post such crap? King and co are willing to finance us and no doubt spend at the right time which is surely next season not this one, what would have happened if they did not step in you shower of ungrateful, expectant spoiled children?

Possibly never getting out of this league and Ashley owning Ibrox, Murray Park, Edmimson House, the Albion, probably 100% of Retail and all our Trademarks for £10m. If that sounds better you are either a tim , a troll from another club who hate us or a gets fan with very little brains.

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04 Jul 2015 09:30:09
Any news on any strikers being signed

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04 Jul 2015 14:18:28
other forums seem to think none will be signed!
We definitely need min 1 proven goalscoring striker
(And min1 experienced centre mid)
In addition to any new youngsters for development

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04 Jul 2015 15:03:57
there will be strikers and midfielders we would win nowt without them

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04 Jul 2015 08:57:38
Former Rangers player Lee McCulloch in the frame for a coaching role at Rangers.

Personally i'm not sure if I like the sound of this or not. He brings a lot of experience and was a very good player through his career.

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04 Jul 2015 09:44:22
It wouldn't surprise me if this was written into his last contract that he signed personally I feel we should get rid of him and bring in someone like Neil McCann but then again maybe Davie Weir might have had a say in it either way I hope it doesn't happen sorry guys just my opinion

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04 Jul 2015 10:23:11
Big Jig is a Rangers man through and through, been a very good player for us and was the first player to say he was staying when most of our top men were opting to leave. Deserves a bit more respect than he is receiving from some of our supporters and if he is being offered a coaching job by the management then they must rate him. I hope he gets the job.

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04 Jul 2015 12:07:23
Big Jig was ready to sign for Celtic from Motherwell and his father told him he would have to look for somewhere to stay if he did no matter how good the contract on offer was. Maybe that tells you more about what matters to Jig, money. That's the only reason he stayed and the guys on big money who "jumped ship" done it for the good of the Club, surely it was bad enough over the last 3 n a half years without having 4 times the wage bill to pay?

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04 Jul 2015 12:08:36
I'm sorry, he is rangers through and through, so was McCoist, doesn't make you a good coach. Too many times we go for 'Rangers'' men. David Weir is an exception because he comes in the package with Warburton, proved that they have worked well together previously

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04 Jul 2015 15:07:28
whether he would make a good coach or not I don't know but the fact about him staying when the big bang struck was he knew he had a lengthy contract with money he could not better anywhere else

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04 Jul 2015 17:25:37
Dunbar

Aye right McCulloch signed up for £2.1million wage package he would never ever have got off anyone other than that fool McCoist

He was past it then and him plus a few other cost us the promotion.

He will be in the press slagging Rangers same as the rest when he realises the cash cow has dried up.

No more old pals we just got rid of our amazing fitness guru and Durie plus I am praying Durrant is finally gone too.

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04 Jul 2015 17:53:24
Dunbar Blue

Here is another way of looking at McCulloch and his loyalty to Rangers 3 years ago.
At 34 years old he will be getting the same amount of money as he was- or maybe slightly more.
He will be made captain by his friend Ally McCoist who will now be his manager.
Written into his contract and legally binding, it is alleged, was the stipulation that if he was fit he MUST play.

Now when you are just about on the scrapheap and are not a specialist midfielder, striker or defender but are simply willing to play in all 3 positions it is probably quite an easy decision to make to stay.

It maybe the reason he hasn't grabbed Gary Locke's offer is they aren't paying him enough money and he thinks he may get another few years of higher money with Rangers.


What or who would he coach? - strikers, midfielders or defenders- remember he is a specialist in none of these positions.

When you are as far down as Rangers currently are and money is as tight as it is for us you have to ask the easy questions
(1) Do we 100% need him as a coach? If not why splash out money we don't need to
(2) Will he motivate the players as a coach to greater endeavour? He certainly didn't as a captain and player?
(3) Has any other individual earned more from Rangers over the years? Probably only McCoist.

So I say to you we don't need him, we can't afford him McCulloch should sign for Kilmarnock or any other team on the planet but our club has helped him enough already. IMO

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04 Jul 2015 08:40:07
not getting carried away or anything like that but our club certainly still has some pulling power. once again we beat off a host of english championship sides with more money to spend than us but wes fodringham wanted to play for a BIG CLUB. come on my son,

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04 Jul 2015 14:34:28
Broxthe bear hahahahahaha big breath hahahahaha your funny

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04 Jul 2015 06:04:26
I am serious if mcculloch gets a position at ibrox I will ask for my season ticket money back honestly we need to move on not back in the past mcculloch mate just go no one wants you anywhere near ibrox again

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04 Jul 2015 09:54:48
I agree bluenose in my eyes it's like he would be getting rewarded for complete failure although I would say over the years he has been a great servant for us but he got paid handsomely for it especially since it all went pear shaped but I also said in another post Davie Weir might have had a say in it. I wish him all the best wherever he ends up but hope it's no ibrox

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04 Jul 2015 10:39:54
Good luck with that bluenose. I think you might lose that wee argument

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04 Jul 2015 11:01:30
Nonsense Big Jig was a hero but so many judge him on a few bad performances. In midfield and upfront he did the business. Ally moved him to CB. If your going to boycott over this then I would rather see your seat go to fan with more passion for the club. You sound like Sturgeon threatening a second referendum everytime she doesn't like what the torries say.

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04 Jul 2015 17:50:05
Mate I ain't no torrie or snp fan but Christ sake mcculloch again my god why can't we move on there is better up new coming coaches than this clown seariously people are deluded giving this mug a job

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