Rangers Banter Archive June 04 2012

04 Jun 2012 22:10:51
seems to be a lot of unlawful activity in scottish these days allegedly but dont see any criminal prosecutions being made. now we got FIFAtelling us that its against their rules to use the law of the land to protect yourself as an individual or company. a bit rich coming from a body who have been embroiled in corruption allegations for years. but then again a law court to them is like a cross to a vampire.

One problem with the governing bodies is they are untouchable.

No 2 legal systems are the same. To run cross border football a code was agreed by all participants. Otherwise there would have been chaos. Rangers have broken this. Scottish law is meaningless outside scotland. It looks to me like rangers are trying to burn the fields as they go. In retrospect you all hate whyte. Your future with green is worse hate than that.

04 Jun 2012 19:34:02
What I don't get is this. Why are Rangers moaning about being given a punishment that wasn't in the rules yet spared them they're membership in the league, yet they now want to meet the SFA and possibly propose punishments that also are not in the rules.

Rangers and Green should not even get a say in how they are punished and I believe they are going to seriously regret not taking the transfer ban now.

With FIFA/UEFA telling the SFA to come down hard on Rangers there really is only to outcomes that are hard enough, Suspension or Expulsion.

A Scottish Cup ban will surely be seen as way to lenient, there are teams who have been banned from the cup for simple paperwork errors.

Also if the SFA don't come down hard on Rangers then there will be repercussions for the rest of the league and national team; European bans, thrown out of World Cup Qualifiers etc, in which the SFA could possibly see some sort of backlash by clubs and players.

I agree the SFA shouldn't have broken the rules but I think in doing so they spared Rangers.

This has gone on way to long now and if it was a club like Kilmarnock, Motherwell, St Mirren or St Johnstone for example they would have been shut down long ago. No team should be to big for punishments such as suspension or expulsion

I am a Celtic fan and I haven't made this post to annoy any Rangers fans and I don't intend to wind anyone up either so I apologise if anyone see's it that way

If that's not meant to wind any one up , you've missed your vocation then you should have been in diplomatic corp.

We took them to court because the decision was unlawful. Do not blame Rangers for trying to protect their position. As we all know the players can walk at reduced figures and the concern is that they leave and we are left with a shadow squad, for a decision that was not in the rule books as a potential penalty. The SFA messed up and yet we will pay for their inability to read their own rule book. If the authority that runs football in our country are so inept then they should be exposed for that. The feeling of Rangers fans is that they will accept what is coming but feel that the rules are being changed as and when they feel like it.
There is no rule in place for newco, there is no fit and proper test, there is a change in rules for admin.
Now I for one would have no problem being penalised if the penalty is lawful. If the penalty is div three then so be it, but the SPL clubs are trying now to change the rules because they don't want to suffer, so they want our money but won't let us be competitive.

It feels like being done for speeding and you fight the charge, the judge then decides that your crime deserves a jail sentence despite the fact that the law does not permit that punishment. I can't spek for anybody else but am at the stage where I believe we should have taken them to court even if that means more severe penalties.
Let us expose the SFA and SPL for the incompetent organisations that they are, no wonder Scottish football is at its lowest ebb wit these clowns running it.
Everybody keeps saying we must be punished for going into admin, well I consider a ten point penalty, a ban fom europe, a £160k fine and an embargo to be quite adequate. No other business gets punished from four bodies for something that happens each and every day to businesses up and down the country.
We have been punished by SPL, SFA, HMRC and UEFA for going into admin. and we still hear the THEY MUST BE PUNISHED brigade.

I am at the stage where I'll take whatever is placed upon us, just do it and do it quickly.

Put us into div three well see what is left of SPL in a years time.

How have the HMRC punished you for going into admin, and the transfer embargo and the fine has nothing to do with being in admin, the ban from Europe was simply because you cannot get a European license while in admin. The HMRC have not punished you yet {Ed039's Note - Exactly ........... yet)

Keep you in the SPL and the world will see that you have been let off

Rangers are being punished for bring the game into disrepute NOT going into administration

3) we are in admin because we could not have paid or whyte chose not to pay NI or PAYE. The amount due was £9m , it is now £15m, I consider that a punishment.
The fine and embargo were for not paying HMRC which was the reason for admin.
We got banned from Europe for going into admin for not paying NI and PAYE.
No?

I am surprised by the amount of rangers suporters who cant fully understand what has gone on. the only punishment for going into admin was the 10 points.... not being allowed into europe is an outcome of being in admin and nothing at all to do with punishment.... the bottom line is if yous didnt go into admin then yous wouldnt have had 10 points deducted or not allowed in europe.... i suppose its the sfa and spl's fault for your admin too...

What amazes me is if whyte came in and done an amazing job he would be hailed a hero and rangers through and through..... now because he has done what he has done then no one wants to know him..... either way he is rangers as how owns most of it.... {Ed039's Note - But he didnt do an amazing job, so he is vilified along with his predecesor)

7) you said it, The only punishment for going into administration was the10 points..
Not being allowed into europe is an outcome of being in admin. so 10 points not the only punishment, your words.

9... if you read my post properly i never wrote "10 points not the only punishment".... this is another case of reading something then making your own mind up instead of what is written in front of yous...

Reply to 9..... not allowed in europe is NOT a punishment.... Rangers did not have the relevant paperwork done by the dealine of 31st of March which meant they could not play. EVERY club has to do this and if they dont then they dont play in the tournament.... Pretty simple really....
More can be found here http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17287929

Thas is just a typical blinkered opinion that yous have been punished enough... If all this carry hand not went on and they still did not file the paperwork then they would still NOT be playing.. Just one of the rules they have to follow like 11 players on park ect ect

Ed my point on 8 was that yes he is vilified but people want his actions disassociated with rangers because they don’t like what he has done and it is bad for the club. If he did actions they loved and where great for the club then it would be a different story....

04 Jun 2012 17:08:13
Scottish teams to be banned from Europe next season

Whats you source?

Das Shadow

Source? too much cheese before bed.

Yes after they all get knocked out inthe first rounds were that bad doug t.s.o

04 Jun 2012 16:52:41
Unpaid HMRC (PAYE/NI) debt for 2011/12 was reported in February as £18m by D&P but in the CVA proposal sent to creditors it is now listed as £21m. Rumour that D&P haven't been paying the bill since Admin kicked in and SFA potentially could bring a further disrepute charge. This one to start to blow in the coming week.

Does anyone else think Craig Whyte along with D & D have conned Charles Green.
Greens money covers costs to inevitable liquidation,
Then Whyte & Double D walk away with millions each.
Serious question?

04 Jun 2012 13:49:58
Rumour floating about Sir David being chased by the South African Gov. something to do with Dave King : have you heard anything Ed ? {Ed039's Note - First I have heard anything about that one)

That rumour been around for a few weeks now.

Das Shadow

I'm still trying to get my head around how BOS managers in Edinburgh had such a great relationship with David Murray that they gave him £980m quid of Scottish depositors money on loans? Loans that LloydsTSB say they would never have made.
It's a no brainer for me but shouldn't the authorities check these guys bank accounts, assets, lifestyles to see if they have more money than their basic bank managers salaries? {Ed039's Note - Banks have more strict policies since recession but in the 90s it was a done thing, it wasnt just SDM that they threw bad money at)

More money than their basic bank managers salaries?

I doubt they would have been on basic bank managers salaries if they were handling high end corporate accounts

Hi ed there's been a email doing the rounds for a week or so now from someone in tax office that SDM was using some of his company's to launder money through for Dave King and ints not been disclosed in papers due to a injunction.

Injunction itself can be on the news.

04 Jun 2012 13:11:27
Charles Green says Rangers could make next move in legal battle with SFA

04 June

Options considered:
Rangers might make the next move in their legal battle with the Scottish Football Association to prevent a "disaster" for themselves and the Scottish game.

Charles Green, who is leading the consortium in place to buy the club, said the Rangers legal team would consider the options over the holiday weekend.

What can Green possibly do? Even this article and his recent interviews are damaging to the club and not warming anyone least of all the SFA to the Rangers situation.

Rangers are a bit like grannies old treasured vase. Fallen off the shelf and smashed, everyone is trying to piece it together, big mess everywhere, but it's hopeless it's worthless and ruined. Rangers is ruined, it cannot be pieced together. Someone needs to be brave enough to pop it in the bin and buy Grannie a new vase.

Cant you see what Green is up doing? A CVA that has little chance of being accepted,all the litigation and threats added to his twenty investors nonsense points to one thing.Liquidation.This allows him to blame every one but himself and D&P,then raise a flotation among fans and raise a load of cash! The alarm bells should have been ringing when it was exposed that the CVA pot is a loan, payable,with interest,over the next ten years.

Wrong Green has more or less told SFA Interim Interdict is next move to stop the league starting untill CAS case is heard(if one is needed) takes time to go threw that court

2. If he does that rangers are finished.

04 Jun 2012 11:49:25
Green! Suspension from Scottish Cup = Newco

condition of the CVA as folllows - why is this not reported in the press

Green wants the newco route - its a fact

4.22.6 all consents or other requirements of the SPL and SFA having been obtained or complied with so that Rangers Football Club can continue to participate in such domestic leagues and competitions as it currently participates in.

I wish people would stop posting rubbish like this. Why would Green want a newco if Rangers were banned in the Scottish cup for one season?

A newco would then be banned from Europe for 3 years costing the club as much as £30m, 100 times worse than not being in the Scottish cup for one season.

If the Green had a to pick between a ban from the Champions league or Scottish cup you don't have to be a genius to work out which one he would take.

And in the next paragraph he gets all the assets - book value in excess of £100m for £5.5 m in a deal which has been agreed but is confidential. Then he leaves nothing for he creditors. Why are HMRC or Ticketus not buying the lot for £10m?

04 Jun 2012 10:55:53
Good morning all

As a football fan I appreciate how fans of RFC-IA feel regarding the penalties being thrown at their club and I sympathise with then when they say it was'nt us who cheated, it was SDM or CW or even others, and the fans did not get any big pay days via EBT's - the players and other staff did. However,

RFC was run as a business and the fans were taken for granted all along, despite being told by numerous representatives of the club that the fans are crucial and the number one asset you have all been treated terribly bad. I therefore find it difficult to believe that you can have trust in guys who were part of that era, even allowing for Walter Smith being a great coach he got out when he realised the situation, but he is one of main men in the fighting fund and that campaign is really now doing the fans no good wht so ever, the statements from MR Jardine have been made and have created more enemies for the club, the money has not been used properly and only the man above knows what will happen with them after the new punishments are handed out. Get a grip Rangers fans, you may not like out but I feel you need advice from your old enemies - McGlone and Lowe saved Celtic until McCann arrived with the piggy bank - Rangers need the same organisation now before its too late. Do not have anyone running campaigns that was involved in the club and knew what was going on in previous regimes !

Diamond Geezer

I don't actually believe Walter Smith was ever a great coach. He always had more than double the money of his nearest rival and when the money stopped he walked. Even up to his final season he had twice the money on the park than his nearest rivals. He said if himself 'you could see the money on the park'

Good sensible post.I also think that the rangers fans have been played by mccoist and jardine for their own ends.Plenty of spokesmen in the rangers fan ranks but no leaders.