05 Apr 2012 23:56:50
david weir gets presented with a lovely 354 quid decanter signed by the squad for his sterling service,the manufacturers wish david all the best in the future but they havent been paid 354 quid for the said decanter.....what a shameful way to honor a club stalwart.its a pity rangers never paid some of their overpaid superstars 20p in the pound instead of trying to fleece creditors and the taxpaying public out of millions..
Rangers Banter Archive April 05 2012
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05 Apr 2012 23:47:53
foogie boogie bear 1872
Four men had a dream
To start a football team
They had no money, no strips not even a ball
But still they go on
And The Rangers were born
54 titles later
We still follow on
i cant hear yous
Why did it take so long for the fans to recognize the gallant pioneers?was it because nobody had written the book till lately?
05 Apr 2012 23:33:07
FOOGIE BOOGIE BEAR 1872
A finance professor has said Rangers’ potential total debt of £134m does not make any difference to club’s survival.
David Hillier, from Strathclyde University’s business school, claimed that the report released by administrators on Thursday meant that liquidating the club is "not needed".
Duff and Phelps report revealed that Rangers could owe as much as £134m, while the amount that owner Craig Whyte could be due is not yet known.
Professor Hillier told STV News that the Ibrox club could avoid liquidation by agreeing a company voluntary agreement of around £30m, financed by any new owner.
He said: "These figures don’t make a great deal of difference to the bigger picture. The fundamentals remain the same.
"Any bidder would have to pay off the floating charge and if they were agreeing the CVA, in total, the money any bidder would needed to be put into Rangers is anywhere between £25m to £30m, possibly £32m in total.
"It [a CVA] is very much achievable, these figures are workable and liquidation is not needed. Even looking at the worse case scenario for Rangers it doesn’t seem too bad, as long as a CVA is agreed, which I think is the most likely option."
FINGERS CROSSED MY FELLOW BLUES BROTHER
05 Apr 2012 23:05:55
Craig Whyte was right all along.
Whyte was duped by Murray.
When whyte got in, he only started to see the proper financial affairs that were going on. £666,000 salary for Bain? Incredulous. EBT offshore payments almost at will - criminal.
Ally out of 4 tournaments stuffed up the revenue for the first time in several years, it shoved the club into admin together with Bain and McIntyre ring fencing £900,000.
Then they all used their lapdog media friends to attack en masse Craig Whyte, utter b'stads.
05 Apr 2012 22:49:49
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17628749
Rangers £134 million of debt....estimated.
05 Apr 2012 22:25:56
I see Rangers owe "Screwfix" £77.01 - Is that where wee Craigy got his Burd ?
For 77 notes id pay that( p.s dont tell the wife)
craig+babybear
Bet his bird would trump your bird if you have one anyday
Not "any day" ma man , EVERY day ! That's why rangers CAN'T go bust , it's the only four times a year ma mother takes the kids and the missus let's me out NO questions asked ! Stroll on the 29th , I'm allowed OUT !
PaulRFC
Paulrfc,allowed out of where?just asking like.
05 Apr 2012 22:25:44
So even though brian kennedy has stated publically that he will bid for us if liquidation is the route any other bidder wants to go down......the tims still insist we'll die. kennedy must know what he would be taking on. i.e potential debt like the 124 million mentioned......but no!! You tims know better right???
J1985
The amount doesnt matter if we can agree a cva its only if we cant we are in trouble hmrc would rather they got something(maybe whytes head on a plate) than nothing plus if we start running a proper buisness and pay our dues hmrc are gonna start making good money.
craig+babybear
HMRC wouldnt get "Nothing" if the club were liquidated.........The considerable assets (MP, Ibrox etc) would be sold off and they would get a large piece of the pie! Question is......What do they consider more value of payback to the taxpayer... a tight assed pence in the pound CVA? Or an Asset Sell Off? We'll See!!!
Your wrong No2, It's true that HMRC would receive a share of some of the money after liquidation but only after all the secured creditors have been payed. We can guess how much that would be but it's likely to be less than what it's possible to recoup from accepting a CVA. It'll be the new owners job to ensure the CVA is the more attractive option. duccablue
05 Apr 2012 22:17:14
Waken up Ed lol.
Your posting ......b's rediculous posts twice!
Stevie-A-Bear {Ed001's Note - must have been posted twice by him and then picked up by different editors is all mate. It happens sometimes.}
05 Apr 2012 22:12:13
Looks like Gers are more skint than UK.
The figures are frightening, there is no way the club will survive anything but liquidation.
Dont talk pants as before amount doesnt matter if we can agree a cva.
craig+babybear
Your club could have funded schools, hospitals and our injured troops for decades to come with that disgusting debt.........and yet the amount "DOESN'T MATTER" ! Rangers should never die......but they should pay their dues in Full, if it takes 5 years or 50!! Sure you'll take the cop out though eh? D.I.G.N.I.T.Y
05 Apr 2012 22:07:11
Celtic are owed over £40,000.
Geeze wur cash.
I bought a round the other night which included a couple of celtic fans so u can make that £39.994 2xpints at 3 quid a pop
craig+babybear
05 Apr 2012 22:02:26
administrators are running up a bill of £26,000 a day or £180,000 a week. these administrators stink from high heavens.
And any other administrators would charge less? If the club had been run properly, there wouldn't be any need for them.
05 Apr 2012 22:02:14
Don't you understand a CVA is cheating,if you continue as a football club.But you talk about honesty,dignity,respect,So even if you manage to get your CVA i hope every football club around the world remember how rangers cheated and are still cheating......b
What planet are you on mate , seriously ?
PaulRFC
Spot on lad....and they still claim that scotland needs rangers.
Why is a cva legal then, and scotland does need us why dont u ask the other clubs when we fill stadiums for them. get a grip
craig+babybear
instead of wanting our club to die try enjoy ur team winning the league, its not gonna happen for a while after
Think you may be diabetic, all that melted ice cream has made you delerious
@1 planet earth. If the CVA is only pence in the pound then you never paid in full so in my book that is cheating someone out of money to enable you to carry on.But it must be different on planet ibrox........b
You dont pay other clubs. and yes it is legal but is honest. If you loan someone £100.00 and they only paid you back £20.00 that would be ok with you (in a cva legal).....b
So why did lawwell come cap in hand to us? You stupid bhoy!
05 Apr 2012 21:56:56
I have no idea what this means / nor the inclination to read it... Anyone else want to summarise it in a couple of sentences: http://www.rangers.co.uk/staticFiles/fe/a8/0,,5~174334,00.pdf
Its the full list of people we owe money to.
though saying that it is supposedly a few months old
05 Apr 2012 22:02:14
Don't you understand a CVA is cheating,if you continue as a football club.But you talk about honesty,dignity,respect,So even if you manage to get your CVA i hope every football club around the world remember how rangers cheated and are still cheating......b
Obvious if you say so must be true.jog on
05 Apr 2012 21:35:56
People should not look to much into the 134 million figure quouted tonight, this includes a pPOTENTIAL tax outcome and every club in the world is the same when it comes to owing transfer fees and wages to other clubs, this only seems extra grimace for us because our financial situation has been well documented. Its actually the most positive vibe cming from Ibrox in a long time and its actually good to get some sort of clarity would you not agree?, once we get a CVA agreed we can get out of administration and begin to rebuild.
Liquadation is NOT happening, much to every celtics fans despair! we'll keep the SPL and celtic alive dont worry!!
Cant wait to cheer the lads on sat! WATP
Sandheeds are still alive and kicking, raise your head and look at reality.....Stevie
Well said mate,I posted same message earlier
Well said mate,I posted same message earlier
Liquadation won't happen but liquidation might.
Just how deluded are you? Keep the SPL and Celtic going... PMSL!! Scott
Haha belter you keep Celtic and the spl alive, doubt it mate but it won't be long until we find out, my moneys on Celtic and the spl.
Bman
05 apr 2012 21:29:08
over 200 companies owed did i not tell yous that the list was like a yellow pages ......ohhh wait i was a timmy liar .....go read the companies owed,its a role of dishounour!!!from bumping scottish power,then jumping to eon,lol,bt,daily record,pmsl..cocacola,catering,your own wee newsagent,numerous clubs,including rapid vienna...ohh theres another timmy lie eh,lmao..absolutely shameful//stevo...p.s, lets hear your pr spin on them facts wounded bears...........mabe daddy warbucks be wearing a bunnet& come in& save the day..have a good easter........
Thanks mate i will, p.s if we get a cva it doesnt really matter p.p.s no wounded bears here enjoying the fact u actually read that document its nice that u can read.. sleep tight dont let the treble bight.
craig+jellyeaterbabybear
A cva?so can not pay your way& everyone else suffers at rfc expense,no dignity scruples morales,the club with no shame,GLASGOW TAX DODGERS 2012..STEVO
05 Apr 2012 21:28:22
rusty ring sting the tim here...are all you fans thick?even if you's are (the big l) everything gets sold ie ibrox etc all the money gets put together and given out.so hmrc etc do get money!!o theres going to be a new asda in govan with good deals,buy 1 player get 1 free!!!hail hail rusty the dancing tim p.s twinkle twinkle 5 little stars how i wonder where you've gone!!
Well rusty you know what they say about crying wolf itl might come back and bite your ass big time soon if gers go tims will go down hill too mark my words from somebody older and wiser than you then youd be back at home again in the old jungle with corragated tin roof with holes in it bargain brollys for sale doon the barras lol doug
Rusty
You cannot put a price on history and memories my delusional friend.
Okay so we're not proud of the way the blazers have ran the club into the ground, and all true fans are fkn gutted for being taken for mugs.
But do you know what, i was there through the bad times(John Greig) and the rebuilding of Ibrox. I was there during the good times with Sir Ripusoffalot, and they were magical moments that nothing can ever take away. so you do all the ranting and spouting of nonsense you like, because the 9 in a row days, i seen them,the calvalry charge to the world record 54 league titles, i was there, and i partied mate. You can hope,wish, and demand all you want, but you'll never take the memories mate, and i'm privileged to have been a Rangers supporter. It wasn't the players, it wasn't the fans, it was morally corrupt businessmen who did this to our club.
So embarrassed?...yes, for having been ripped off financially,embarrassed for being a "Ranger"?...Never mate. So jog along, think i hear nurse calling you.
Stevie-A-Bear
Great post mate,from a tim,stevie67
Spot on stevie-A-Bear, very well said...
You can put a price on your history Stevie. £0.00. That's all it's worth. Rangers are a business and will be treated as such, so yes your club can die.
05 Apr 2012 20:59:57
Here is a prediction and a question.
I predict that a CVA is agreed, an injection of cash into Rangers 1872, then Whyte refuses to sell his shares and the administrators are forced to sell the trade and assets out to Rangers 2012 Ltd. This will be sold in the press as all Whytes fault and a necessary step to eliminate his presence. The question is, will you then support that club, Rangers 2012, formed because Whyte wouldnt walk away? I think that would be an easy sell to the fans with headlines screaming from the DR.
Nevis
05 Apr 2012 20:49:27
I see we owe Murray Group some £200k. If there was ever a reason to go into liquidation, this is it.
I have read so much on this case and am sure that I read that Rangers paid Murray Group £6m a year for advice and consultancy fees, which included advice on EBTs. So much for Murray taking nothing.
As much as I detest Whyte, Sir D M you are a disgrace, in truth you are nothing more than a sheister. You stated on numerous occasions that you were merely a custodian of this great club. Well thanks to you the club is on the brink. You should be ashamed , and you should never be allowed to forget your part in this fiasco.
Frankly I would like to see you stripped of your title, and would like to see you in the Bar-l, along with Mr Whyte as your bum chum.
Let me make this clear, fans have died supporting this club and you put our club on the line because of an over inflated ego.
If we survive Murray Park should be renamed removing all references to you, because you don't deserve it.
Totally agree, Yes he tried to live the dream for a while, but truth be told, for most of his stewardship has been all about cost cutting and pulling the wool over the fans eyes.
His attempts at clearing his name have been laughable and embarrassing, his name should be nowhere near the gates of our training ground.
We have been treated like mugs for far too long and any new owner must be scrutinised and second guessed in every decision that affects our club, the fans need a say in the way we are run, end of.
The decision D&p have to make may well be the most important one Rangers will ever face. I hope they get it right as I couldn't take this again.
BR
Its murray groups lawyers doing the tax case.
craig+jellyeaterbabybear
If paul murray takes over just keep the name murray park. Duh!
05 Apr 2012 20:29:59
Trade Creditors £5.545m
Ticketus £26.7m
HMRC £14.372m
HMRC small tax case -- to be calculated
HMRC big tax case ------to be calculated
Debentures £7.736m
Football creditors £1.063m
Employees--------to be calculated
Total Non Preferential unsecured Creditors £55.42million
Plus tens of Millions to five listed secured Creditors which has to be calculated.
Plus three large figures above to be calculated.
Small tax case estimation £4m
Big tax possible £75m
All on page 32 of duff and phelps document.
Craig thomas whyte 4 bedford row london wc1r4cf director of glasgow rangers football club post that to him
05 Apr 2012 20:21:16
Heard a rumour humble pie was being offered to Timmy on this side, may I suggest keeping a hold of it?
JELLY N ICE CREAM
Jamie Mac(getting ready to PARTY)
05 Apr 2012 20:12:55
Anyone know which of the four bidders was rejected?
Ya ich wissen..........Stevie
The German one.
It was rumoured that Mr Whyte wa involved, but D&P were aware of it.
Might just be more pr for D&P though.
Stevie-A-Bear
05 Apr 2012 20:12:07
speaking to a season ticket holder today . him and his friends are cancelling direct debits at bank for next season tickets which will be due soon anyone else thinking like this
Thought you didn't do walkin away.....Stevie
Away you go the part timer, this will sort ye blowy hunters from real fans
J
05 Apr 2012 20:00:27
all these people saying we owe them money,is there no monies owed to us from anybody,,anybody know?
I Craigie Whyte still owes you's a pound....Stevie
05 Apr 2012 20:00:02
let me post a question, do you honestly think duff and phelps would be saying that a cva is now possible if they hadnt already cut a deal with hmrc? its blatently obvious they have because no one or no consortium would bid on anything with a 75mil bill waiting in the background, hmrc are like the other creditors, all of them would rather see ten or fifteen percent of what they are owed rather than walk away with nothing, if we are liquidated then hmrc would be out of pocket to the tune of 3mil just in legal costs, as for ticketus they have already agreed to lose 17mil and accept 10mil just to get something back. i agree its an embaresment to our club, but david murray should have the "sir" ripped from him and wee whyte should be in saughton for a wee while.....col.
While they're ripping titles away how about ripping a couple of those stars on your shirts off for frauduently won titles....Stevie
Stevie, you lot are getting looked at as well behave yourself.
Why should rangers have titles taken off them?
05 Apr 2012 20:00:01
Just heard on Radio Scotland, that the £40'000 D&P said Rangers owed Inverness C,and listed on their latest statement has already been paid! Inverness confirmed this.
What's going on D&P?
05 Apr 2012 19:53:15
Well that's the first week of April near gone so how much longer is this big tax case gonna be man? We must be close to a verdict, surely to f£ck !
PaulRFC
05 Apr 2012 19:49:07
After D&P's latest report it would appear it's a billionaire or bust.Big decisions need to be made but does any true fan trust the same old supporters groups? Liquidation will soon be announced and a strategy for moving forward developed.Does the core support want to follow a newco or be in at the start of a true fans club like AFC Wimbledon? If Rangers as we know it dies,why not start a true supporter based club led by the Blue Knights? There are plenty grounds that could be rented when fan numbers were known,realistic wages and ambitions during rebuilding.Would it be morally right to follow a newco? not for me.
Not for me neither ma friend
Ben & Lad
05 Apr 2012 19:41:29
remember you can add this debt to your 140 year history. AND STICK IT IN YOUR TROPHY CABINET......B
Have Celtic paid of their 7 million and rising debt ? Must of missed that news
The trophy cabinet might be an asset that's sold to service the debt...
Celtic's debt is totally manageable given their finances. It's stupidity and the lamest of attempts to score points to try and compare it to Rangers'.
Would do mate, but its full of trophy's, maybe you's lot could keep hold of it in your trophy cabinet, i'm pretty sure there would be enough room...
@1
"Have Celtic paid of their 7 million and rising debt ?"
Celtic FC could raise that by selling 1 or 2 players . What would Dodo FC raise if they sold ALL the players , Ibrox and Murray park ? 50m tops , that's about a third of the debt
Good night Dodo FC
jimi88
No room next to the big trophy Rangers got into all of this mess trying to win...
05 Apr 2012 19:40:28
Think we should all calm down boys
HMRC £15 mill Ticketus £28 Mill
The debentures £8 Mill this is £51 Mill
yes i agree a lot of doe however the
Debentures if they are bears will
accept a loss to see the club do well
ticketus have agreed to come on board with
the Blue knights a CVA for HMRC and
who knows we might win the tax case
so bears F*** D&P we are the people
and as big marvin said keep believing
The Taxmans taking all there dough,and left me in my stately home. yours, Minty Moonbeams
05 Apr 2012 19:30:02
Next season rangers will be alive and kicking , and celtic well they will just be normal finishing second and blame the refs. what do you think gers fans.....trueblue.
I think you must be quite mad.
Cuckoo land is calling on you
I,m the one that disagree,s pal
what the hell are you on
Amazing how you can send a post with a straight jacket on.......DH
05 Apr 2012 19:05:48
A finance professor has said Rangers’ potential total debt of £134m does not make any difference to club’s survival.
David Hillier, from Strathclyde University’s business school, claimed that the report released by administrators on Thursday meant that liquidating the club is "not needed".
Duff and Phelps report revealed that Rangers could owe as much as £134m, while the amount that owner Craig Whyte could be due is not yet known.
Professor Hillier told STV News that the Ibrox club could avoid liquidation by agreeing a company voluntary agreement of around £30m, financed by any new owner.
He said: "These figures don’t make a great deal of difference to the bigger picture. The fundamentals remain the same.
"Any bidder would have to pay off the floating charge and if they were agreeing the CVA, in total, the money any bidder would needed to be put into Rangers is anywhere between £25m to £30m, possibly £32m in total.
"It [a CVA] is very much achievable, these figures are workable and liquidation is not needed. Even looking at the worse case scenario for Rangers it doesn’t seem too bad, as long as a CVA is agreed, which I think is the most likely option."
source stv
Aye but he's perhaps just a talking head, the worrying bit of the whole statement is the 85% shareholding, the administrators admit they are exploring ways of forcing a transfer of shares and have made a formal request for this to be done. This means Whyte still in the driving seat and that without him transferring the shares any potential bidder would want a transfer out of trade and assets meaning a new company which would mean a new reg number and all the history problems. Just read the full statement, what an unhholy mess, feel for the true fans.
Nevis
Of course it doesn t make a difference. W e will only be paying back a percentage of it anyway, unless they want to liquidate us, and get nowt.
05 Apr 2012 18:15:22
the figures being quoted are actually not as bad as they sound,that is every single pice of debt and the worse case senario from the taxman,most major clubs in the world have debts that equal that and a lot of them are in an even worse state,even at Celtic do you honestly think that they have paid for all the transfers and it been a lot in the last 3 years no they will be on the never never like most clubs,dont worry the bidders who are in for us will know near enough to exact penny that it will cos to put us back on our feet and compete on a level playing field for the first time in a number of years,so dont despair at long last there is a glimmer of light at the end of a very long tunnel.
But Rangers aren't a major club and cannot afford in any way to have similar amount of debt to clubs in England and Spain because the income just isn't there in Scotland.
Are you serious?Take the big tax case out and it's still unworkable.Rangers operate at a 10m loss with no europe,none this year and next means 20m gotta be found to add to this number.Glimmer of light? Do the math {Ed001's Note - which is why they reduced player's wages drastically, and other costs too, all of which should save the necessary amounts. It is far from unworkable.}
With the support that Rangers get they should be a major force in world,football should not be so reliant on tv money,and its only a matter of time before other teams suffer the same fate as us,so be dont be too smug we didnt know what was being swept under the carpet and maybe your club whoever they may be are operating in a Delbhouy like manner and not everything in the garden is as rosy as you are led to believe,I honestly hope not as this is not nice its like a never ending nightmare.
05 Apr 2012 17:53:56
ED i asked you yesterday will we see the extent offf rfc creditors....well them figures & the amount of football clubs owed might open the wounded bears eyes..some sying want 6p in pound for a cva,what a red neck and embaressment ....stevo {Ed001's Note - I think there are bigger issues than creditors right now. The directors seem to have colluded together at every turn, and not just against the creditor's interests, but the club's too. Seems to be a case of them all finding more and more ways to line their own pockets at everyone else's expense.}
05 Apr 2012 17:51:36
There is no way that all interested parties have not had discussions with HMRC! It is clear that despite what our friends from the other side say, that a potential deal has been agreed. Whilst it is not ideal that we have failed to pay our debts, a CVA is very much a possibility.
If you look at current debt about £50m, then £27m is ticketus, which if BK are successful is written down to £10m, payable over ten years, that leaves £23m, and surely bid of £15m would give creditors a decent amount.
Everybody is naive if they think that HMRC will not take 10p in the pound or similar, they either get that or nothing if liquidated.
That may not be ideal, and I am one that believes we should pay our debts in full, even if that means ten barren years, that is clearly not going to happen.
The bottom line is that we must get a decision on the BGT as soon as possible, but this theory that we may come out of administration and be back in it after the tax case is ridiculous. If that was the case there would be no bids tabled at all.
It is beyond belief that this tax case has taken so long to get a decision, get the finger out urgently please.
Nonsense.If anything has been proved it's that Rangers are in a bigger mess than anybody thought
05 Apr 2012 18:57:22
Dont like to say it but I told you so. I estimated debtot be around 100 mill and I was poo poohed. I said liquidationis best option and again yous disagreed with me.
Now in cold light of day. a new club, remt the groumd from the debots and walka way fromt he debt its the only option anytihng else is just draggin out the inevitable! Any new buyyer is gonna do it cause its no the fans club its the oweners and thier aint gonn pay 134 million. The sooner this os voer the b etter, its crazy draggin it out. Whats takig so long, let get the new club going the old one as dead as a dodo.
New club same name no debt what more can a man ask for !
It won't have the same name if that happens.
05 Apr 2012 19:01:12
Right im fed up with the amount of Nice But Dhims coming on here and shouting about how they will never let us forget this no matter how it turns out. they want us Liquidated. well initially i wanted Rangers to pay their way out of this regardless if it cost years of winning nothing. but now because of all these morons who cant see by there hatred and bigotry. i say F**K it lets liquidate, pay no one, reform debt free and start winning everything. ok we wont do anything in Europe because we wont be allowed in for three years. but lets be honest neither will the Dhims not because they wont be allowed in, because they are 5hite
Pad
Start winning everything? You obviously have no understanding of business as the club will not have the money to do what it's been doing recently. Any Rangers/newco of the future will be a shell of its former self because of the financial situation. Remember the reason for the wage cuts etc.? The fact the club was losing £1m a month - no new owner will underwrite that so the business will have to be downsized.
@pad
" i say F**K it lets liquidate, pay no one, reform debt free "
Where is the dignity , pad ? You only owe Celtic FC 40,000 , most of the rest is owed to Hector , he needs it for Doctors , Teachers , Ambulance drivers and military personnel . A poppy is too small to hide behind , our troops deserve to be paid .
pay your taxes , you owe the people
jimi88
Continual dishonesty will not be tolerated.
Pay people what you owe them or hang
your heads in shame.
Pad you are systematic of the way Rangers fans think, you made over £280k at least from a charity match which you kept, now two of the debts you owe are to Scottish ambulance £10k and a wee newsagent £500,no thoughts of paying these debts back, hope you enjoy spending the £280k... Timalloy
How ironic with talk of bigotry than spouting bile about Celtic fans.
Why should any other clubs football fans have sympathy for cheats?
Its not "there hatred and bigotry" as you say that people want you to fold, it is because you are CHEATS! what dont you understand, your club is the most corrupt club. and we are not th ones who are known for hate and bigotry it is your club that is known for that around the world. sdm and all your legends made your club go towards liq and tainted tittles for years where as you fans helped out with the image of rankers as having the worst fans who cant control themselves and who cant think from a level head. bye bye rankers=fair play and proper football, site back and enjoy the years to come as you see Celtic get bigger and better and more successfull. we can all hear the hate and anger in your message but were that should go is to your own club for they did this to yous as well as you did it to yourselves.
Offt that's a bit aggressive pad, it's a banter site don't let it to get to you mate go and have some jelly and ice cream that'll chill you out
Bman
05 Apr 2012 18:56:48
Rangers owe Greggs £18 under an account belonging to a Mr.A. McCoist.
Add the tax for hot food onto that
No tax on takeaway food
There will be soon if it's hot.
05 Apr 2012 18:33:47
No wonder Celtic wanted money up front, the club even owe them money!
Is there anyone you don't owe money to,And remember you all said,celtic should pay up front for the ibrox tickets,they should have deducted the money you owe. But then again celtic are an honest hard working club, And you's dont know what that is.........b
No wonder blackbeard wanted Whyte to do his dirty work..........murray f@ck of tae france and never come back
Ya, so cant say next time cause yous wont be around but dont you think you should have lisen to us when we were trying to help and let yous know just how bad of trouble us are in. but yous just had do disagree/dislike everything Celtic and just put your heads further in the sand. the sad thing is sdm is going to get away with it because you fans think he and walter, ally and former members are legends, well your going to be right about that for they will be the legends that ended your club...but im sure yous just like the spl/sfa will spin the truth to try and make things look better for yous.
It says we owe Dundee utd and Dunfermline but both have been paid already. The figures aren't the latest they are from last month. Celtic will be owed money for the game on the 26th April...
Heid RTID
@1 'honest hard working club'
Aye right! Kelly/White dynasty with the 'estimated attendances' tax scam, ran it for years.
Even when you started out as a club you stole players from Hibernian, a real charity. Paid the players to walk away from Hibernian. Messrs Welsh and Glass put the money up.
Jock Stein your best ever manager was he offered a Directors position on retirement? no he was offered a job in the Celtic Pools. Wonder what that was all about.
05 Apr 2012 18:22:57
Stevo, you boring me now, understand the facts before you start your constant drivel. £134 million is an estimate and until the BTC result is known the debt stands at £55 million. Remember your 8 minutes from Armageddon and a little bloke in a bunnet saved you? Will you still be spouting c**p when someone takes over and by chance we get a CVA, new tab at the top of the page and do one PB
Lmao.your boring me with your pie in the sky take overs..at least the bunnet was honest had integrity & done what it says on the tin....drivel?see craig whyte or all the onwards & upwards,be bck richer& stronger..watp 10in a row with mastermind billlionaires,pmsl..priceless..tick toc..stevo
Your gonna give me a CVA (ANOTHER TERM FOR A STROKE) WI ALL THE PI@@
YOUR TALKING
@PB
"when someone takes over and by chance we get a CVA"
Utter fantasy and wishful thinking . Mr Whyte has still to be paid and , if internet whispers are true and they have been spot on for a year or so , he will be deservedly asking for 30m . Add that to the 134m and you're fast approaching a 1/5 of a BILLION ,yep , thats BILLION .
Good night Dodo FC
jimi88
Jimi88,
Dont be so gullible. In case you have not noticed, Rangers are in admin. Options are a CVA or Liquidation. Either way, total debt does not matter. Percentage will be paid in CVA, or fook all in liquidation.
@3 you say Craig Whyte will DESERVEDLY ask for 30million..... Even as a Celtic fan how can you say that guy deserves anythin apart from a boot in the baws?
@4
No CVA will happen . Why accept pennies in the pound when liquidation , followed by an asset sale , will profit Hector more .
Gullible ? No.
jimi88
@5
How much is the stadium worth ? 20-30m ?
How much are the playing squad worth ? 10 -15m ?
Doesnt matter how much debt there is or how much Whyte paid for it , that is the value , in my opinion , that is there .
jimi88
05 Apr 2012 17:38:13
So where's all the angry bears that said Rapid Vienna had been paid in full for jellyfish?
05 Apr 2012 18:10:39
as much as you all hate whyte,surely hes only done what had to be done.only difference between him and murray?he had the balls to do it,cos he knew there was no other way to go.yes,i think you are fecked,but its murrays fault,not whytes.you may have to rebrand to come back,but isnt that better than sod all?artybhoy
05 Apr 2012 17:46:58
As in the immortal song of Roy Orbison.....
IT'S OVER.
No it isnt the bidders know what the debt worse senario will be
As in the immortal words of Roy Orbison
A light shone in the night somewhere ahead Blue turned into green, then it was red
05 Apr 2012 17:42:20
With all the evidence emerging of the EBT tax evasion case it is likely to land in its entirety for £75million. Very highly probable.
But let's say, for relaxed fairness that it's a 50:50 deal that would mean a debt of75/2=£37.5m and hence plus £55m a total debt of £92.5million!!!!
All increasing every day!!!
D&P cost alone more per month than monthly revenues!!!
No other income to pay all the bills, wages, fines, fees,......
Fans can only raise £200k......not even a scratch...
05 Apr 2012 16:34:34
Ed what's going on mate ? Where's this 55 mill come from ? I take it our bidders all knew about it ? If it wasn't a workable debt no-one would of bid for us? Any chance you could kind of clarify best you can please ed ? {Ed001's Note - I am trying to read through the full statement now, it is heavy going through! I will post up my understanding as soon as I can get through it, but 55mil could easily be racked up in operating costs over a season, especially when the club has sold off most of its income streams. It amazes me the club has lasted as long as it has the way Murray was running it!}
05 Apr 2012 17:27:55
How many more skeletons are there
in the cupboard. As a fan my patience
is running out. Feel we have been lied
to by people we respected. Jai
05 Apr 2012 17:25:34
holy moaly....check out em figures from duff& duffer!!!!!thats without the big tax case!!!!looking like armagedon now wounded bears...stevo
Dig intae that fighten fund and gee us our 40 grand.....Stevie
05 Apr 2012 17:14:58
Now you have been told the size of your debt, and thats not counting how much wee craigo wants, Are you still all EXITED ........b
No, but we can spell excited
Do you still think you can survive without rangers lol, trying to wriggle your way into the english leauges lol, if rangers die celtic will follow.....jsm
Nan mate I've no left yet , I'm still here !
PaulRFC
Exited???. Firstly debt is potential liability as BTC not decided as yet. Why not be excited, the whole process is to take the club out of Admin. Taxman and ticketus haven't a lot of options, accept very low p/£ rate or get nought, if it comes to liquidation then what that does is make Rangers a very good investment as we would be debt free. I appreciate the history angle but its the future that is important, the past history are memories. The best part will be Celtic leaping to save us and keep us in the SPL, ehh how would that vote go again, Lawwell has already played his hand, mmm looking forward to that succulent lamb again.
Not excited, but if you read the full document even afte all the tax cases have been settled there is a still 58million pounds worth of assets left for the new buyer. So it is not as bad a business move as you are
L trying to make out. If you believe the level of debt from the report you must also believe the good bits.
No change Stevo...
You and the rest of the East end financiers have been telling us it's over £100 million for weeks mate. So go change your undercrackers,it's old hat.
Stevie-A-Bear
Old hat..pmsl,rfc the club with no dignity,shame morrales..hypocrits you lot,murrays blue kights eh? paul?murray doing a craig whyte,trying to buy the club with other peoples cash!!oh & the small matter of ripping of numerous clubs,police,ambulance services& a creditor list like a yellow pages,so you think its ok to screw the lot by tring for a cva at 6p in pound??hang your heads in shame.....stevo..p.s. the frontdoors are falling of at ibroke& hectors coming with his wrecking ball after easter!!!!!
05 Apr 2012 17:09:46
Haahaa! Jelly & ice cream all round!
Tesco must have made a fortune with the amount that's melted in last 3 weeks. Ha.
Could I have green sprinkles on mine.?
Price of ice cream set to rocket after a dismal crop of vanilla pods due to bad weather. Just how far does a giro stretch?ger1952
Touch of irony there, Rangers fans slagging anyone about money issues.
05 Apr 2012 15:25:12
Let's be honest, NO ONE on here knows what is going to happen! We can all speculate but we don't know... apart from the septics who OF COURSE do! Who would have thought the east end would have spawned SO many accountants who have a diract line to the people at HMRC!! Weird. Anyway, for what it's worth I would go with the blue Knights. They may not have the cash behind them like the Yanks etc but I would prefer a "steady ship" even if that means a slow build up to our usual spot at the top of Scottish football...
BB
Yes we can speculate but what we do know is some scots media journalists reporters etc had a DIRECT line for murray& whyte i.e mobile phone numbers,so why didnt they make a simple call& get a straight HONEST answer to some very important issues at RFC??the timmy blogs were lies for the past year or 2& were all mud slinging,seems the rangertax case& a certain irish journo were spot on most of the time,yet shot down& riddiculed..the PROPOGANDA & pr spin from murray over last decade or so had the scots media eating out his hand& scrapping for the tit bits..HE is the 1 that should carry most of the blame in rangers demise,yet all he can say is whyte duped him???the rangers fans have been DUPED bigtime from him& the suits behind the scenes..i hope 1 of your bidders has the financial muscle to get this sorry mess sorted once& for all& the tax case verdicted sorted asap,so we can return to planet football& all stop being laptop petrocellis& accountancy experts!!hopefully all creditors will be paid what are owed in full(obv thru time)& rfc accepts whatever punishments(if any)comes there way& can be run in a fit& proper way for the future...stevo..p.s. keep up the comedy gold,as in the end its only banter..hail hail
Liqud is only way 2 go blue knights bid is full of holes comon think about it ticktus went 2 court and were told the 27mill deal is good but now murray is saying ticktus r willing to write off about 17mill for free ok ticktus dont want nowt for 17mill wake up once again u have a man not telling full facts
05 Apr 2012 15:03:05
Thanks for the laugh wounded bears,keep posting the COMEDY GOLD!!..now its a mastermind german millionaire.....we have assets at rfc off 120million!lamo.pmsl...no doubt more side splitters to come today...stevo
Comedy gold has to be; "if we don't win the treble it will be a travesty". Kilmarnock 1-0 Celtic. The refs decsion was criminal. Rangers 3-2Celtic. Lennon sent to the stand.
If you want some genuine comedy gold my friend get some tapes of your team an watch the complete "faulty tower" that is your goalkeeper trying to organise an instruct your shambles of a defence, the 3-2 score seems to have airbrushed the fact if big jig had pace we would of put SIX past your "champions" in waiting !
PaulRFC
Comedy gold.....ffs man your like a broken record. bids have been made, interest is there. your posts r that of a worried and jealous wee roaster. he who laughs last laughs longer.......so keep giggling away at us fans discussing our clubs future n potential buyers.....for when this mess that rangers r in is concluded you'll be back to greetin aboit refs n wrong decisions against selik. whilst we'll be celebrating success as per usual!!
J1985
A wee bit of good news one day and back 2 the bad d and p have just said your debt could be 134mill and that is coming from the people in the no inside ibox no way could someone come in and clear that all this rubbish about people coming in with mega bucks lol wake up if these bidders from abroad wanted 2 get a brittish team i think portsmouth would appeal more than rankers
@3
"whilst we'll be celebrating success as per usual!
"
Who's success ? Dodo FC are finished . If you've properly digested the figures you would realise it's all over . Since the 14th of February the clubs income is little over 1m , Duff n Phelps fees since that date are 1.2m . 55m of debt before Hector gets to smash your back doors in for at least another 75m .
There will be an RFC no more . You can celebrate success following Linfield , probably , but it wont be as a fan of RFC , i mean , how can you support a team that doesn't exist ?
Good night Dodo FC , it's been emotional
jimi88
Paul rfc & rest you ostriches looooook at em figures and tell me its gnna be celebrating a new dawn!!!!comedy financial gold now!!!stevo
Paulrfc: if, if, if... If your aunt had baws she'd be your uncle.
Jim88......another tim out the woodwork. Expert on all things rangers you lot are. until a decision is made on the big tax case no FINAL debt can be confirmed. so run with the 134 million or whatever the figure is....
J1985
05 Apr 2012 14:58:32
Good afternoon fellow bears.
Well the air is thick again today with all sorts of speculative nonsense.
I do however see that the septic ones are out in force trying to stir up discontent!
Come on lads get a life, should you not be concerning yourself with securing the tainted title!!
As for the posts regarding the bids submitted, a lot of the post’s today seem a bit fanciful and unbelievable, however more and more I do believe that the Dr. Mr shining bright himself has matters in hand hidden from sight, more and more it seems that he is asset stripping, nothing to sagest that he is operating in the interest of our beloved club, a f*****g toe rag of the highest order, and for sure if this is the case I sincerely hope he has slept his last peaceful sleep.
Everything seems to be taking far too long, this whole issue has became a fares of humongous proportions, a laughing stock, sooner it’s done the better, I have had enough of the whole bl****e mess. Lets hope that our darkest hour has passed and we are now heading out of the woods! The one post I would love dearly to believe is that they are going to invest some serious money in our squad!! Then ally can start bringing the younger guys through. (Wishful thinking! Who know’s)……….
Brighter times ahead! Fellow bears.
Rosehearty true blue.
What brighter times have we got to look forward to every1 forgetting the big tax case as that will see us straight back in admin
TB
@1
"every1 forgetting the big tax case as that will see us LIQUIDATED "
Fixed that for you
jimi88
"brighter times ahead" well seeing that was written before the debt announcement!
Ha ha ha ha. PMSL, tainted title stuff again! Jeez, future's rosey LMFAO. etc etc etc. You're doomed, you're club is a world wide news story over debts. Soon confined to the same place 3rd Lanark went. And as an added bonus, when you liquidate your history will be lost, add to that if the EBT thing turns out to be true, you will also lose titles won (FIFA/UEFA are very strict on this point, check the website). Stop griping and get a bit humility, get yourself a life, you could follow Motherwell or St Mirren next season though lol. Scott
05 Apr 2012 14:33:11
Anyone got any idea on just who are involved in the Far East bid?
Craig whyte has involved in every bid but blue knights, why you think duff and duffer havnt sold to them yet?
05 Apr 2012 12:40:10
All this nit picking must stop. We should pay our way in life as a club and be proud to rise again .We can hold our heads up high and walk tall with a straight back and look forward to the way ahead with dignity.
Shut up you complete Numpty, what utter nonsense and complete bile you are spewing, walk tall straight back ha, it's not "we" as you say that need to pay are way in life, we do you...Arrogant little man, everytime we buy a strip everytime we buy a ticket and go through the turnstiles, everytime we buy a bovril and a pie "we" the fans always pay our way! It's "Them" the so called money men with our clubs best interest at theart that need to pay their way, Them not Us! *ksd*
I am assuming he means 'we' in the collective being the club and the fans as one. bile? honestly? Arrogant? honestly? You are quite an angry man.
Don
05 Apr 2012 12:36:11
ed why are you not letting my posts go live ? the mls playing at ibrox was a pretty good idea i thought ? just want to know what fellow bears think of it, like Wembley and NFL it would be a great source of income if we have to sacrifce our european money please post this ed i am a die hard who has posted a few times never been succesful x {Ed001's Note - what are you on about? It was posted.}
Sorry ed ive been posting it on rumours and they have been appearing on banter, my apologies :D
Don't think it would be MLS anyway mate , could be like but my opinion is there would be no interest in their "soccer", I posted last night about that AEG been up for that sort of thing , EG , the NFL, an seemed to amuse alot of tims with the notion, even though much wiser than me said it a while back (our Ed001 included), time will tell though, but I have to say fair play to Brian Kennedy this guy was willing to take a hit of millions to stop us been liquidated, wonder how our so called "rangers men" many mile away felt reading an hearing that !
PaulRFC
05 Apr 2012 12:13:31
According to people on here Craig Whyte is linked Germans, Americans and the bid from Singapore. He may well be linked to one of the bids but too many folk come on here a spout mince
05 Apr 2012 12:07:52
lokk guys were no goin to find out anything difinitive for another nweek so we'll just have to wait and see..but i reckon theres light at the end of the tunnel bears..chins up...WATP
05 Apr 2012 11:36:03
Never mind the old ad"THE MAN FROM
DELMONTE HE SAYS YES" Its more
like "THE WEE MAN FROM MONACO
WILL HAVE TO SAY YES" before
Rangers are sold.
05 Apr 2012 11:11:29
good to know there is 4 bids on the table. I think people are to quick to make judgement about the other bidders outwith the bk bid. It's rangers minded people that have put us in this mess in the first place, nobody knows the real intrested parties and there intentions about liquidation. As mention by the financial expert SSN earlier today that liquidation would mean a much higher investment upfront and would take along time to recoup any money which doesnt make much sense for any body wanting to make a quick buck. I am sick of people mentioning that knowone 100 million, 1 . nobody knows what the number is 2. They obviously dont understand what a cva is 3. If HRMC dont agree a CVA then they get hewhaw.
RFC have assets reportedly approx 120 million. They can be sold
@ 1; rangers assets of 120m? are you mad? if rangers had that they would not be in this mess
Check the last 5 years accounts, the book value of the assets is indeed circa £120m
Rangers accounts are a shambles and full of lies and cover ups.
Be lucky to get a 1/4 of that @auction
I agree that the last five years accounts show assets of £120million. However the stadium is valued at £122million in the accounts and I don't think anyone is going to swallow that as a realistic value. These valuations are agreed between the directors and the accountants. I would guess that the stadium is worth about £20million top dollar, so there is quite a shortfall!
The assets are only worth what someone is willing to pay for them or can be used as security against credit.
Now ask yourself, who is going to pay £100m plus for rangers assets and what bank or financial institution is going to give rangers credit?
05 Apr 2012 10:35:43
If the AEG bid was succesful there are other ways of revenue to make money for the club. The contacts this guy has is unreal aswell as his wealth. He could easily organise and L.A Galaxy vs N.Y RedBulls charge £42 a ticket at Ibrox you would have a full stadium FACT, just thinking of ways to make money for the club as wee will have no licence to play in europe for 3 years. What I am trying to explain basically is the same deal that Wembley hold with the NFL matches. What do you think fellow bears ??
Its not AEG though its a consortium put togethor by club 9.
Club 9 were operating for AEG, Paul Murray may have good intentions but does he have the wonga to back him up ? When the first potential bidders were being named AEG were named then disapeared but there was no noise coming from them, this is because we are dealing with a multi billion pound company who is not going to let all its business go public. As someone said we have our bids in now and we just have to play the waitin game again, also liquidation is NOT an option BK has said the thought of rangers fc being liquidized scares the life out of him, if the preferred bidder wants liquidation he WILL step in
Mls is worse than the spl, having lived over there for many years and attempting to watch what they call soccer was mentaly torture for me, why the hell would we want to watch mls teams .....jsm
Yes they could but where do the think he money generated from the game would go? to AEG or to Rangers
@4 they dont just own teams the American Entertainment Group run Concerts aswell own O2arena and own/lease over 100 STADIUMS are currently building Farmers Field in LA @$1.4Billion and 10 stadiums in China they pay a Handlers charge of 25% of Ticket and merchandising to the hosts they also have massive media links which is were the Fox Soccer deal rumours are coming from which would give a guaranteed income all year round as if rumors are correct we would be lumped in to their compulsory sports package which runs the whole year to protect teams with short seasons wont sound like much but $5 a year per unit but when you know how many units they sell comes to a fair lump
Who wud pay 42 quid to watch la galaxy v new York red bulls? Haha. Full stadium, I doubt it very much
05 Apr 2012 10:10:13
Reality check required, any movement pre BTC result means either CVA agreed or liquidation. Haven't heard of a CVA yet, there will be no investment until first the BTC is known and a CVA then agreed. If neither soon then it's L
05 Apr 2012 09:51:01
This has probably been talked about before but
surely if RFC have been given advice saying
the EBT's were ok to use then the financial advisors
at that time should be held partly accountable
for the mess we're in now. Who was the
club's accountants or advisors then?
RFC
RFC did not use the EBTs in the right way. Many times have you got to be told this.
He telt me tae dae it lol
1.)
in your opionion - -stil to be determined I believe - if it was so open & shut we would have heard by now surely?
bill72
@1) Do you realise that is what the tribunal is trying to determine, whether they were used in the right way or not. Or are you on the tribunal panel?
05 Apr 2012 09:42:25
Inland Revenue MUST be paid in full
Doubt it
That would be a first from a footy club in administration.
05 Apr 2012 09:21:02
AEG is not what it appears. It is a German company, which used to be a domestic goods manufacturer before it sold its business to Electrolux, looking for short-term investment opportunities. So there's your German link, folks.
Aeg is spread out over a vast number of Companys but there not just there for a quick buck they own shares in NFL teams NHL La Galaxy Hammerby Futbol club many events and arenas/stadiums i believe they would be an exellent choice to tske over the club and expand
Philip Anshcutz (spelling) is the mastermind and owner of the mls you t**ts do some research AEG is the way forward for Rangers
05 Apr 2012 08:54:24
disappointed to hear that soni aluko looks set to leave ibrox for spain. if there is anyone at the club who deserves a new contract it's the wee man. if we survive, i hate to think what we'll be left with going into the new campaign.
I hope he waits to see how the takeover develops as I love the wee man, great siging and enjoying the big stage. I think he could be a star for years at rangers
J
05 Apr 2012 08:47:55
4 bids in for the club, let's hope they are all for taking the club out of administration and not liquidating it.
Hopefully happy times after the recent debacle but I think I will reserve judgement until Duff & Phelps says the deal is done and show us a copy of the Rangers bank account which has on it BACS transfer £100m. Only then will I be happy as we know what happened the last time.
The Pilot!
05 Apr 2012 08:13:01
I have changed my mind on what I want to happen at my club over this a few times now. But am set on my ideas now. If one of these guys says, I will pay off the debts now in full with money set a side if we lose BTC with £2 to buy the club but we cant buy anyone for the next 5 years or something like that. Then thats my man. I dont want this hanging over my club. Take us to the third division if you must. But I want a clear conscience when we come out of this, but I dont think that will happen. CVA is not going to make me that happy but its a start, and I dont think a newco deserves my support. Its like there taking the p**s but saying hey keep giving us money. Yes I would check there score first every week. But I think my season ticket would move to my local team. Although I do have a question to ask. What if a group of fans started a little club, just got in good players obviously no names. Gradually build them up moving through the leagues. Now this new team would be playing in a park some where at the start. But it was the fans of the Rangers that started it. Nothing to do with the old regime, would you follow it? Would you see it as a real new team not a newco. As I think I would. A team that the fans own and run. A team that comes from the fans. Am sure alot of you will disagree, loads of you. But I now a lot of you on here said you wouldnt follow Rangers if they went under and came back with a new name. So would you follow a team created by the fans? Just a thought.
Don
What a load of nonsense.So you want someone to lay out 20-30m,put aside say 40m,to absorb a club that at present,runs at a 10m loss?A club with no euro football for at best one year,and playing in a league that makes very little cash.Factor in the wage levels and it's that easy eh? Also what makes your newco better than the other newco? What level would your newco start at? Where would you play etc,etc.
Just my thoughts my friend. I thought most people would understand that I mean I dont want my club with that cloud always hanging over it. The club is better than that, it was the fools running it that caused it. And about the newco. Why should I follow a team that thinks it can play its get out of jail free card when in trouble?. But I would follow a team that went from the ground up. I would love to watch a team, the fans team. Come from nothing back up to the top. Not a team with a board that lies.
05 Apr 2012 03:10:40
People talking about 'bids' on here are comical. Bids mean nothing if Craig whyte doesn't want to sell his shares. the administrators can't sell rangers without Craig whytes permission. when will you realise that? {Ed001's Note - he did come out and say he was looking to sell.}
It's simple,give craig whyte the 30 million he says he is due,then live within your means after paying back in full everything the company owes,where is the big problem!!?
Of course he'll sell. Anything over £1 is a profit for him.
Ed 01 he also came out and said he would give ally millions to spend on players...... Then didn't {Ed001's Note - very true, but I think he is going to have to try and get out now. The administrators are revealing a complete shambles.}
05 Apr 2012 00:51:55
Lets try to look at things sesibly here. We need to know how much each bid is, without that piece of info no one knows the outcome. For example i could make a bid of 2 pound and a whole lot of promises. I,ll invest another 10 million in players i,ll pay off the debt, i,ll not liquidate the club. Sound familiar, CW did the same. Once your the owner you can do what you like and say afterwards you had no choice.
HMRC have been down this road already and sentimentality doesn,t come into it, its hard cash up front not jam tomorrow im afraid so highest bidder wins, Hmrc doesnt care about ticketus or anyone else, thats my opinion anyway?
Likewise Ticketus don't care about HMRC. And Craig Whyte cares about neither. Welcome to the world of business.
05 Apr 2012 00:26:05
I do hope you get out of admin, sort yourselfs out then we can get back to talking about football but the NFL comment about games being held at ibrox is a pure belter
Bman
05 Apr 2012 00:16:49
Can someone please tell me of the blue knights get there hands on our club where will there money come from and if Paul Murray has all these great ideas then why did he not implimemt some of them when he was with us before?? We need new blood at the club no someone that's been there before.
I agree, I heard Alistair Johnstone on the radio this morning saying he hoped that whoever gets the club, that they learn the lessons of the last twelve months, what about the last twelve years when his lot were running it? CW is not the only guy to blame here, SDM and his stooges on the board made this mess and then got out for a pound!
05 Apr 2012 00:02:21
It's not our fault you lot lack discipline..9 dhims on a pitch says more about your lack of bottle and leadership....we can only beat what's in front of us....9 green bottlers....and the wean in the media room ..classic Lemon......
Lack of discipline celtic have the lowest number of disciplinary points and rangers have the second highest
04 Apr 2012 23:59:38
Stroll on 29th of April, wonder if the bookmakers will make an absolute tw@t of themselves again ! Quite fancy a trip to legoshed to play the "champions" ! Have Celtic been beaten twice by a team in administration ? (if we are still in it then) could be "historic" pmsl
PaulRFC
A TEAM in administration...eh? you know your stuff paulrfc,get aff the glue
Ed will you tell that lot if they don't stop picking on me I'm telling ma da ;)
Paul(sniff)RFC {Ed001's Note - awwww, there you see that? That was sympathy that was!}
2) LOL
BB