Rangers Banter Archive April 05 2013

05 Apr 2013 18:34:16
At the end of the day the only ones who can hold their heads high are you the fans, you have been outstanding in your support for your club and the passion that you have. Its a pity that those in charge were not more like yourselves, so bears soldier on and you will get there.

Celtic Fan

Well said OP.

Gaz

All green needs to do is allow everyone to see deeds for ibrox so we all see who does own it, these deeds not available for the ipo. yet they the most significant asset in the ipo.


clear the air green, show the deeds, then fans can buy season tickets, otherwise. who kniws what happens next.

Why didn't CW just take RFC to court instead of selling his story to the sun? He said he would take the BBC, SFA and Duff and Phelps to court they are still waiting. I think the only time CW is in court is when someone else has taken him to court.
Take us to court CW and then the truth will out. Otherwise just f&ck off.
Surely though the owner of a company that's in admin and heading for liquidation, cannot sell to another company that he is also involved in or as he claims will still own the assets.

There's a lot of us tic fans give you fans credit for sticking with your club. We all love our clubs. I and loads of us are beyond the pi@@ taking now and are thoroughly fed up with it all. This latest stuff with green and white is also sure to rattle on. I don't know what the solution is but it needs to come from the rank and file supporters (your offical supporter associations do more harm than good) not easy. Good luck. Joe

@3. Don't you believe your own ears. Greens been caught red handed

Cheers joe we just look forward as supportes of rangers to working our way up the leagues ang playing against your team again st

Yeah, he went thru a purple patch, but turned out to be yellow in the end.

Is it the worlds biggest game of cluedo?

05 Apr 2013 18:54:55
I have been on here many times backing Green. If the reports are true that Whyte is still the owner of the assets, and Green appears to be a "front man", I will never set foot in Ibrox again until all of them are away. Green/Whyte will not get one penny of my money. This is an absolute disgrace, I am dumbfounded.

I will hold my hands up and say that I ridiculed Brown for his antics but the questions now needs to be answered once and for all.
Who owns Rangers assets?
Is Whyte involved in any capacity?

Now is the time to prove this once and for all, show the deeds. No more stories, no more dodging the question, no more lies.

I also have slated the RST and RSA for their involvement, I call on them now, as they seem to have the ear of Green, to insist on a total boycott of season ticket sales until the whole sad, sorry situation is proven once and for all.

I feel sick, and if this is true, I will not be back. I am fed up of charlatans, spivs, liars and con men. If that means they go to the wall again, so be it. I would rather that happened than offer my support or money to these people.

Disgusted.

At last a rangers fan with b///s

No chance of the RST or RSA yes men doing that.

Must say like the vast majority of Bears I slagged off Bomber on these pages but have a sick feeling in the pit of my stomach that I should have listened more carefully to the man.

Didn't Green start off saying he had never met Whyte, then he had met him once very briefly now he has money from Whyte in a bank account - which btw I think could have been sent back to Whyte's account. The whole thing just sickens me.

05 Apr 2013 23:36:06
We win Lord Nimmo Smith case, we win 55th league title, the man who saved our club is promising with the suport of the British primeminister that we will be playing in England within 5 years

Is it any wonder our enemies have decided to put the boot in 1 more time thru jelousy. Keep calm bears and keep the faith in Mr Green

TrevorRTID

Op here, I went to Ibrox to listen to Brown. After about two minutes he stated f. ing and c. ing, and that was enough for me. If Whyte owns the assets, what did Green pay £5.5m for?

After Browns accusations all Green had to do was show the deeds. I thought that Green was not lowering himself to doing that, but I wonder?

You know this sad story should be sold to Hollywood, but even they would think it beyond belief.

I bought shares, not many, but believed that I at least had the ground and MP as part of what I was investing in.

They can't get enough of you Trevor, every dodgy CEO in the world's perfect fan.

It's got a red, white and blue tie on, it must be true.

RTIFTMT

Rangers Till I'm Fooled Twenty More Times.

@3. Oh dear god. I hope you are not serious mate. Green has been taped telling whyte he is Rangers. Green has said the title is not 55. are you insane?

Trevor. PMSL :)

@3, "We win Lord Nimmo Smith case".
No you didn't.
Some guys have short memories or have no understanding of facts.
Al

No 3 - when did the British Prime Minister promise Rangers would be playing in England within 5 years?
I do hope you aren't going to say you read it in The Sun last Monday but I fear you will say that.

Trevor your post is factually incorrect from start to finish

G93

05 Apr 2013 18:16:21
Ally on the spot again at news conference. He didn't know anything nor did he see anything. It wasn't his role to be even told he said. He'll be talking to Charles. Let's hope Ally gets an answer but doubt it.

The man hasn't a single clue. I cringed wirh embarrassment watching that interview.

Well if the fans feel angry. Ask for the truth by withholding season ticket money. THE CUSTOMER IS KING.

McCoist is in on everything.
He was resigning when SDM drove down the m8 from Edinburgh to have a word in his shell like in Murray Park (could not be trusted to the phone). Afterwards his whole demeaner changed and he came out with the we don't walk away line. Given to him by SDM.

@2 i'm not a consumer i'm a Rangers fan, its in my DNA, I don't know what the answer is but hurting OUR club financially at this time cannot be the answer.

@4. There comes a time though when we have to face our demons. It's sad and difficult I know, but the only way we will sort this out is by withholding season ticket money and clearing out this board, even if this involves administration again but with new owners.

05 Apr 2013 16:22:19
if any of the craig whyte stuff proves to be true I will gladly stop using the sun/record to wipe my royal blue arxx! good old sensationalist media. only decent paper in glasgow is the evening times. least they talk less pixx

Op What about The Herald?You should give it a try

The beanos a good shout

Much as I hate the Sun this has to be taken seriously and it reflects very badly on Charles Green.

The same folk who backed Craig Whyte all the way are now doing the same with Green. I've always been suspicious of the man and don't believe a word about 10m warchests and cancer centres at Ibrox just as I questioned his Adidas claims and tie-ins with the Dallas Cowboys.

Fact is he's now admitted he's a liar but most Bears still want to believe everything he says.

@3 belter of a post.

The problem is the rangers fans don't want to go against green, they done it against miller who was chased out right away however IMO he was the man for the job

Miller- keep old rangers but start a new rangers transfer the lot over just the feet under the table then liquadate old rangers

Green - tried to say old rangers with cba leaving no choice but to liquadate old rangers then start a new company with no history.

Miller told the story from the start on what his plans were and was hunted I'm even sure jabba when to the states the question him if I remember right? Now green employs a guy who works/worked for a media out let giving Charles green a voice to please his people. Still to this day green can't give soild proof that rangers history is part of this new rangers company. Such proof would be a agreement with D&P maybe bdo & Charles green & whoever else is envoled stating they can legally do this, until such time then the guys doing what bill miller said he was going to do but IMO miller fitted the bill better as he's a yank & would have fingers in other pies in the states to generate monies

It will come out in the washing about whyte who I do believe is somehow someway included in this deal where green bought whyte out, and Murray has a say in it some where too, yet he has the cheek to do wee interviews once the club he once ran with ebt that over all caused the sake of rangers try's to jump on the band wagon

If rangers make it into the spl with ally & green in power I will honestly buy a season ticket at ibrox for a season. Which really that won't happen

Lenny

Listen! until the truth is out. Just keep wiping yer A##E wae the Celic view.

@3 you're just out to put the boot into CG.
Rangers are news and if craigie bhoy comes out with a claim about Rangers the media will queue up and give him time. Previously they were quite happy to blacken his name and show him up, now though because our club is news and sells papers it's welcome back craigie. Why doesn't craigie just go to court ah mean he's got duff and phelps, tv and the sfa still to take to court.

05 Apr 2013 15:42:59
We all knew Craig White to be a liar and with his own admission we now know Charles Green to be one. I am dreading what's comming next for the club I love and have followed for over 50 years. Struth, Waddell and Symon etc. will be turning in their graves at what is happening to our once great and honest club. This latest episode turns my stomache. I thought when we won the league last week things would start to get easier and better for us though we didn't shower ourselves with glory it was a start. Now a week later where are we in disgrace again at how this famous club has been taken over by liars and cheats money orientated blagards. I wonder if the SFA still think Green is a right and proper person to run a football club, he is no better than White and I fear where he is taking our club and the fans who invested in it. If he is really interested in the club he has to come out with the truth now about all the allegations and let us know the true situation at Ibrox. I know my concerns and I am sure there are lots of true blue fans who also are concerned.
Bobby

Is this the reason the IPO money is lying in the bank, for whyte to win his case and pay ticketus? These tape recordings are pretty damning.

@1 is the info already out there? Can you leave a source as i'm intrigued to read the transcript. Cheers in advance, CheltBlue

@2; There are three recordings mate.

@2 tapes available on the sun website, scottish sun.

whyte court case will hinge on facts that green lied, and green admits this, case proven, so the £22 million raised by shareholders goes str8 to whyte.

green pays murray millions, grabs ibrox and passes floatation millions (that don't encompsass ibrox) to whyte. merry goround

Thanks guys just found it and am about to listen. CheltBlue

05 Apr 2013 13:29:05
Is there anyone else out there thinking our club is in the news far to often for the wrong reasons. I have backed CG from the day he stood up and decided to take the club on (No-one) else put there money where there mouth's was! But I am now now getting genuinely concerned about his stewardship of our club. Too many statements over silly issues and seems all to keen to pick a fight. After todays headlines with the CW link I'm now having my serious doubts about him and his investors. Although I don't believe everything "The S*n" prints there is no smoke without fire!

" (No-one) else put there money where there mouth's was!"
No one else was allowed to. It seems to me that D&P had Green lined up as the buyer almost from the start and rejected every other bidder even when the money offered was pretty much the same.
Al

No one else wanted to take the club on as it was financially toxic. Bill Miller's guy seen the books and spoke about the £30m black hole in the finances. Whyte knew liquidation was the only way forward, yes the club would be new but the debt would be shed, a total new beginning. He also knew the fans would not buy into this loss of continuity. Green appeared and bought the assets, backed by whyte's cash, and stiffed him. This is serious. All sorts of legal problems could arise from this. The worst of which is the licence to play being revoked. He lied to the SFA by telling them whyte was no part of this deal.

I, m now thinking duff and phelps did, nt let anyone near it and we may have been scammed

Dont believe everything u read in the media. if it was up to them rangers would have been buried long ago as far as there headlines a year ago. with that 100 million debt that we aparantly had

@1 They said the only time Whyte was seen to panic was when he thought other than D&P were going to be appointed. He chose them, they chose Green and a bargin deal was made. It's been there for all to see but everyone so glad to still have a club, we didn't want to see anything.

@4 Were you one that thought all the talk before 14th Feb, 2012 was rubbish and people doing Rangers down?If so, don't get caught out again. Be aware and an open mind this time

Whyte owned d&p who now have case to answer for and are stuffed if they shafted whyte.

whyte owned green, and makes claim for false dealing, hard to fight if you agree you are a lier already in thesun quotes,.

green also says imran offered 3 russian girls to whyte??? rfc dragged lower into gutter {The Ed039's Note - The russian girl thing was an attempt at humour)

DL 176 Charlie did not put his money were his mouth was, he put Whyte's money were his mouth was, smell the coffee man
Tam

06 Apr 2013 11:07:41
What money did Whyte have Tam? The Tax and NI he failed to pay. Not a shred of evidence that it was Whyte's money! Smell the coffee, away and have a black coffee and wake up!

05 Apr 2013 01:45:30
hi ed i'm just curious is there any reason why kamil wiktorski isn't getting his chance like nearly everyone else he's polands u21s captain is he not I just think he deserves his chance
AndyBear98 {The Ed039's Note - I dont think he is Poland Under 21 captain, there are a few that could do a job in the first team, there is him, Blair Currie, Luca Gasporatto, Stuart Urquhart, Tom Walsh, Andy Murdoch but there seems to be a core of players that are "first team" players and then Ally says he struggles to fill a bench when they are injured which just can not be true, but thats the way alot of coaches are wired, struggle with the idea of just throwing a young boy in)

05 Apr 2013 01:36:25
Please somebody tell me that the editor of the Sun has got his dates mixed up and thinks today is April Fools.

So Whyte suiing Green for £50m or half greens shares in RIFC?

Wow - bombshell or what - why was this possibillity not mentioned in the share prospectus. ?

If its any legs (tapes! verball deals are valid in scotland!) then the aim float could be scuppered and we could see millions raised lost in a flash.

Is this not par for course with green prior floatations (something bill mcmurdo won't all discussed on his site. ? why not)

Unfortunately no, there is a recording where CG tells CW that 'You are Rangers'Very troubling times ahead possibly including an illegal share flotation according to the article. {The Ed039's Note - The S*n, wouldnt wipe my @rse with it as there is enough shite on it as there is)

Just shows that, no matter how many times you tell them, people are still willing to believe everything printed in newspapers.

1903

@2 Aye sure. Same as the recording that's going about with 4 SPL directors sitting at a meeting all agreeing to wipe RFC off the face of the earth. Urban myths my friend.

I agree that papers do print a lot of crap at times but to even insinuate there may have an illegal share flotation without evidence would leave a paper very vulnerable as it could potentially affect the share price and do great damage to the club.

1903. are we talking about the direct quotes from green. in the paper about how the two current main shareholders in GERS lied, lied and lied.

issue is how do they now defend any legal actions if already admitted they are liers. ? opps.

This is only in greens favour if he always lies and its part of his plan.

who owns ibrox?

dont trust a word green says as he won't show anyone the deeds?

why not?

Green subsequently transferred those assets to Rangers Scotland Limited, which now trades as The Rangers Football Club plc, with the businessman claiming he intentionally led Whyte on in order to acquire the club before cutting him out.

If this is untrue why is Green admitting he cut Whyte out

Real issue is Whyte now claims to be part of Rangers who bought assets from. whyte. ouch!

Did D&P sell assets from whyte back to whyte for knock-down price. and on tape. know about it?

Green needs to say who Rangers really was (to SFA). and then who RangersScotland really are.

I'm sparticus. issue is green only looks good if truth is palatable.

whyte seems in control still. plans the admin, and buy back at knock-down.

green needs to prove otherwise. or HUGE implication for RANGERS FC - ie they gained MASSIVE financial benfit - it loosing thier existing debt. and UEFA WONT LIKE THAT ONE BIT.

oooooo nasty

05 Apr 2013 14:18:20
Green told Whyte whatever lies he wanted to hear.

Has he did the same to the Rangers fans?

Wonder if Ally is now regretting being Chuck's yes man just like he was Craig Whyte's yes man.

The fans need answers.

@7 ibrox was moved from Rangers to SecvoScotland in first few days. this needs to avoid gratuitous alienation. but was this green trying to stuff whyte at same time.

If green did not have authority or moved assets at the expense of Rangers shareholders - this could be fraud

SFA needs to say green is unfit to hold rangers. in div3 and let dust settle. or this gets worse.

Remember it was all lies before and don't believe what the papers are saying, and look what happened lemmings running towards the cliff again.

Ed, do you think BDO may step in if this is true what Mr Shyte is saying. {The Ed039's Note - No I dont, purely because Mr Shyte has no credability whatsoever)

Ed just to let you know, I know Iain King and he was an Ibrox season ticket holder before he joined The Sun. Makes you think! {The Ed039's Note - Whats that go to do with it?)

Iain King would not write a story about Rangers if it was not true. {The Ed039's Note - Bollocks)