Rangers Banter Archive December 05 2012

05 Dec 2012 20:08:41
I am starting to see a pattern emerging regarding the fans boycott of Tannadump. If you are a Rangers fan - you are petty, bitter and twisted for doing this, It's not good for Scottish football, we're trying to move on, let bygones be bygones etc etc.

Now correct me if i'm wrong, it wasn't so long ago that fans of other SPL clubs were demanding that their chairmen voted against our SPL inclusion otherwise they would boycott their own grounds/refuse to buy season tickets etc.

I personally don't like the idea of boycotts - but if that is the majority feeling, then go for it. Its hypocritical of fans of other teams decrying our fans for doing this, after all you demanded it first. bigbaz

The fans of other teams wanted Rangers not to be allowed into the SPL as it was right: the alternative would have set a very dangerous precedent as teams could rack up debts, go into administration then liquidation and still be in the same league upon reformation.

That wasn't petty but support for doing the right thing in the whole grand scheme of things. Rangers' boycott has nothing to do with that: it's about petty revenge. {The Ed039's Note - Same old story, everybody is right bar Rangers, do you not think it is justified in a way, when Dundee United supporters said to their own chairman, if you vote Rangers out we will buy season books, if you dont, we wont turn up? Oh and by the way, I can see they have been turning out in their masses. Now, I dont agree with the boycott in the sense that there should be support for the football team from the terraces, which for me is the most important thing, but I can understand the point of view) {The Ed039's Note -

If the mighty new rangers were allowed straight into spl, it would open the floodgates up for Kilmarnock, hearts etc to close down not pay anyone then restart in spl, is that fair, and that's what u lot can't see, rules have been broken, new company void of previous debt. Started, what can't you understand where spl supporters are coming from?

3) don't be stupid, nobody wants to go bust, so the thought of clubs just going bust is rubbish. Tell me please what "rules" have been broken, is that the rules that didnt exist, that they made up as and when they saw fit. Please understand this, we don't care what the other fans say. They mean nothing to us, we have heard everything they have to say, and most of it is bile. They accuse us of affecting Scottish football, but t.he truth is the game in this country, the national sport, is dying on its feet, the wrong decision for football was taken because of talk of boycotts for their own team.
They don't like us, they don't want us, but they do want our money, well sorry they can't have it.

You understand this, we have had enough, time to fight back.

@3. The SPL could have docked us enough points to relegate us to Div 1, also maybe start that season with a points deduction as well, which would have been a good deterrent to all clubs.

The financial benefits in Div 1 are significantly lower than the SPL so we would not gain that way either. Do you seriously think for one minute that we wanted to go into liquidation, if we had had the result of the EBT case when we were supposed to, then i doubt very much if liquidation would have happened.

Yes rules were broken, and some made up 'ad hock', this whole scenario has benefited nobody. We know fine well where 'spl supporters are coming from', we've had to listen to it and read it for the last year. You don't seem to like it when we stand up for ourselves, maybe now you've realized now that this tiger has teeth. bigbaz

@4 Docking enough points to cause relegation? Don't see that option in the rule book. I thought you guys were against making up punishments on the hop.
Al

Al. To be fair to bigbaz he acknowledged in his post that some rules were made up and some were created 'ad hoc'. That wasn't the point he was making. He was asked about a suitable deterrent to stop other clubs following suit and he simply replied with one. It was clear the majority of chairmen (including Petrie who came up with the parachute idea) wanted to retain Rangers in the SPL (financially not morally), otherwise the fans would not have needed to become involved in the first place. Surely you can admit that? Instead of taking the bull by the horns and making a decision themselves which would have ensured Rangers ended up in the First division (similar to the punishment eventually meted out to Juventus for match fixing which was far worse) they passed the buck onto the SFL and tried to blackmail them into making the decision for them, thus reducing the flak they would receive from their own fans. It backfired spectacularly when the SFL saw an opportunity to have Rangers in their leagues for at least three years (it was never about 'sporting integrity' for them either - it was about finances and getting one over on the SPL). Now we collectively have a vastly reduced TV package, a clutch of quality players lost to the Scottish game (Naismith etc not the current team), competing ideas on league reconstruction, the SPL and SFL further apart than they have ever been and ready to go to war with each other, SPL clubs admitting they are struggling, Hearts, Kilmarnock and Dunfermline (who need not have been relegated) tottering on the brink, and the SFA haplessly standing by and watching it all happen when they should be dictating to these 'governing' bodies what would be in the best interests of the game overall in the first place. If the SPL chairmen had shown some cahonas and ensured they could protect themselves financially whilst still adequately punishing Rangers by employing an idea such as the one bigbaz gave then we may not be where we are just now.

Admittedly I have personally always favoured the Third Division as punishment as that is the SFL ruling on the matter and precedents had been set but the SPL did not have rules in place (even though they knew from the previous October that Rangers were in dire trouble financially and had plenty of time to create some) to cater for liquidation and are a separate entity to the SFL. Technically they could have accepted Rangers in and instantly relegated them via points deductions as bigbaz suggested as the SPL currently only constitutes one league and that would be as severe a punishment as they could inflict upon one of their member clubs. Bar Celtic's successful European run Scottish football has become a complete and utter laughing stock in the eyes of many. All of the above was avoidable. Ask Ed001's opinion on how Scottish football is perceived south of the border now if you don't believe me.

Brian

@5. Al, it did not stop rules being made up when it suited the SPL/SFA agenda. Why not use a points deduction system to relegate Rangers. It would have prevented alot of what has transpired. bigbaz

@5. Forgot to mention - don't remember many non Rangers fans complaining about rules being made up on the spot against Rangers, i remember most saying "Serves you right", you get what you deserve etc etc etc.

05 Dec 2012 18:14:35
Right the game is live on feb 2 so PLEASE CHARLES GREEN get the game live on beam back to Ibrox and we will be there. I was at the last one ( i think) when we beat Dundee utd at Tannadice but didnt win the league which was nearly 10 in a row and you will get a bigger crowd than then.

It's not allowed!
Stop trying to cut corners! {The Ed039's Note - I wouldnt think so)

Sure TV will go for that... but they will charge about 1/2 million just for the pleasure.

How would it no be allowed rangers can do what they want in there stadium

SM {The Ed039's Note - Because they would need to acquire the broadcasting rights to the game)

05 Dec 2012 22:41:45
If you want to see the match or support your team then get on the phone to Rangers tomorrow and tell them that as a supporter or season ticket holder you are mortified by our club's stance on this. Who the f##k do the RSA think they are? I want to support Rangers no matter what, now I am being stopped from doing this and nobody can give a valid reason why. If there is no sale of tickets for Tannadice then I am done with this sh##e. I will never be back inside Ibrox and neither will my son or grandson. I am not prepared to be bullied and dictated to which games I should and shouldn't attend by anyone. I was utterly embarrassed at work like never before, even the Celtic fans who were concerned for us during administration and liquidation were having a dig. All this protest nonsense should not be tolerated by all decent minded Rangers fans, they all have a big mouth sitting on their PCs but anyone protesting at the ground should be arrested and banned from ALL football stadiums.

Have you all forgotten we nearly didn't have a club. We sing Follow Follow, not Follow when we are told to.

Disgusted Bear.

Do you not need Dundee United's permission for beam back ?
Tam

Calm down dear.
There's nothing to stop you going to the match if you want to so put your toys back in the pram and stop being a drama queen.
CG never called for the boycott he was contacted by supporters groups who did straw polls and the majority of fans who bothered to vote voted for the boycott. CG is not irresponsible on this occasion he is listening to the fans, the rest of the spl chairmen listened to their fans,so why is CG in the wrong? Obviously this scenario will split opinion but everyone is entitled to their own. I'm getingt a bit hacked off with other teams fans having a go at us again for doing exactly what their chairmen did only 5 short months ago,or have some people forgotten that already?
Rangers fans like you also get on my wick,because your making a song and dance about nothing. Contact DUFC ticket office and reserve a ticket for the away end. Simples. One final thought. If Eddie Thomson hadl been alive today and still chairman,this situation would not have arisen. His son and successor is a bigoted clown.
P.O.B.

@4. No valid reason? If fans like those of DU had their way, we would have no club or even a league to play in. I agree it should be an individuals choice whether he/she decides to attend the game.

Although i am not a fan of the boycott idea, this time I am glad CG has done what he has. Why were you embarrassed, our fans/club are finally standing up for ourselves, it was more embarrassing when they used to do nothing.

If you are so disgusted by your fellow fans attitude regarding this matter, then by all means give up your season ticket for Ibrox - there are plenty of others who will gladly take it (there is a waiting list).

Whilst i'm not decrying your differing opinion as a Rangers fan, i find it strange you are so vehemently protesting about this issue, as most fans who have disagreed with this outcome, are a tad more restrained with their comments on the subject. bigbaz

Not sure Tam, think we will need SKY/ESPNs permission before anyone else. bigbaz

4) Listen you are a big boy if you want to go, phone United and buy a ticket. You don't need anybody's permission to do that.

So, on the one hand you're mortified that the club would dictate when and how to support them and on the other, bar your son and grandchild from ever going. Jeeso, Irony is really lost on some people.

04 Dec 2012 11:44:05
Edo, if this share issue is now off... Was there not enough interest? Over four days CG released statements saying it was at £21m pledged then £22m then £23m etc... Was that mair fibs? Why is it off? What are Park n Wattie daein? Not enough communication coming out....you hearin anything? What about Jim Traynor rumours? Director Communications? {The Ed039's Note - What are you talking about? Papers were lodged today and it is anticipated first days of flotation will be 10 days from now? As for the Jim Traynor rumour, a load of old tosh mate)

A share flotation? in 10 days? Prospectus just issued? No way. No time for any Data Room or Due Diligence. Farce. {The Ed039's Note - According to experts it is normal to lodge documents 10 days prior to flotation)

Edd we all know the hooped ones are experts on anything Rangers. Wether it be tax or share flotations they have our interests at heart. Bless 'em. CheltBlue {The Ed039's Note - I'm not saying I am right, I am no expert on either issue but I know what I read and see on the news)

Prospectus supposed to be issued 17 days before issue for full scrutiny. So where is the prospectus? Green hasn't made any statements.

Haha Ed believes what he sees on the news! Bless your cotton socks Ed.
Even less intelligence than I originally gave you credit for! {The Ed039's Note - I live in Fort William mate, you need thicker socks than that up here)

ED039. No it is NOT normal to lodge a prospectus ten days before flotation. I do these things for a living, this is not happening. 10 days would not give me time to even speak to potential investors or even send them an invitation. And where is the normal Investor Roadshow? Zilch. Not happening. Bogus. {Ed001's Note - then you would know that every case is different. I used to work for a printers that were printing the prospectus the week before a flotation for (if I remember correctly) ICI. Whereas other times we would be preparing documentation for them months in advance.}

05 Dec 2012 14:10:00
What are Rangers playing for if they dont want anything to do with the SPL? Are they happy playing down in div3 and thats it? Everton fan.

Yeah, thats what we want to do ??, a bit like everton, play in a league year in year out and do nothing !!

Classic No1.

Good to see fans from the biggest league in the world are interested our wee 4th tier team.

05 dec 2012 13:37:59
interesting that it was only yesterday cg said we didnt want tckts for the utd cup tie, and 2 days later the sfa can manage to organise a meeting to discuss this matter, its amazing how quickly things move when rangers are involved, wish they could have moved that quick over the last year !!

It was a scheduled meeting, no doubt it'll fit into the meeting under AOB.

05 Dec 2012 13:29:01
Dundee United 'won't dignify' Rangers' statement with response

05 December 2012 13:07 GMT
Dundee United have said that they are "disappointed" with Rangers' decision to refuse tickets for the Scottish Cup match between the sides and say they won't dignify Ibrox chief executive Charles Green's statement with a response.

Dundee utd "wont dignify" rangers statement with a "response", by "responding" that they are "disappointed" , silly obssesed !!

Thomson only getting what he deserves

Won't 'dignify Rangers' with a response? Pity they did not apply similar tactics when they were one of the clubs at the forefront of kicking us and being very vocal about our SPL status. bigbaz

No Half as disapointed as the bank manager

Guys we were liquidated owing tens of millions. It was a disgrace.
We should never have had the option of immediate entry to the SPL because that's outside the rules. We should have immediately have started in div3. No votes or such.
Spl chairmen were in their right to discuss the issue publicly and vote against it. {The Ed039's Note - It wasnt outside the rules because there were no rules for it)

@5. We were liquidated owing about 18 million, with the threat of the EBT hanging over our heads, Not 10s of millions.

Ed where in the rules does it safe a phoenix can walk stright into SPL ? {The Ed039's Note - Nowhere, but until recently, it also didnt say they automatically had to go to Div 3 either, so what is your point?)

05 Dec 2012 11:19:22
Dundee United calling for the SFA to take action against Rangers for refusing tickets, will that mean another rule change to suit the circumstances? Bit of a pattern forming with the SPL/SFA about rule changes PB

They can stick their tickets,its our own decision ,what happens when they dont even turn up for their own home games,they are just annoyed they will not be able to fleece Rangers fans,shower of cowboys.

05 Dec 2012 13:34:19
the rules state that any unsold must be returned 24 hrs before the game, so take 50 ticks and return the day before simples

DJ

05 Dec 2012 09:45:14
Keith Jackson last night on Clyde said a very interesting thing

He said why are other teams fans up in arms at the Charles Green statement, when has basically done what every other chairman did during the summer.

Their fans demanded a say in where Rangers should play, they gave their fans what they wanted.

Rangers fans groups have said they do not want fans to attend the cup tie.

Green is merely following his clubs fans wishes.

You cannot say that is wrong unless you say it was wrong for clubs during the summer to give fans a say too !!

He didnt need to say anything. The fans that dont want to go dont go the fans that want to go then they go. End off

Ian

The spl clubs each had a vote, some clubs gave the decision to their fans for that legal vote, whether enforce the regulations or break them to allow a newco directly into SPL.
Green has issued a call for a blanket ban of Dun Utd because extreme fans are pushing for it. True to form Green panders to this. There's 50,000 rangers fans go to games, the majority do not want to boycott its only a couple thousand that's why Greens statement is wrong. Basically telling all fans they can't go is an affront. This man had never watched Rangers in his life up until recently.

Answer 1 spot on,fans would have attended or boycott on their own, Newco Rangers have now made it official and opened themselves and Chuckie who has scored another OG here to censor, the SFA should throw the book at him for this and at the very least Rangers should be denied any monies from this tie

Thing with CG is that he is trying to be all Rangers fans friend and he doesnt need to. Look at your support from the start of all this I think that Rangers fans have proved they are Loyal (no pun intended) and CG doesnt need to come out with all his stupid statements and trying to get everyone to bite. CG run your business in a professional manner and stop trying to upset every man and his dog outside of rangers.

Ian

There's a difference between boycotting your own team to make your own board take action and boycotting another team to "make them suffer" (RSA Quote). Peaceful demonstration is perfectly acceptable in the free world but when you add words like "hate, suffer, war, destroy", etc. in your justifications then why would your "enemies" be expected to have any sympathy or not respond with wishes to have you kicked out of the game and removed from society?

Foxy

Looks like the majority of Rangers fans wishes have been heard by CG. Obviously touched a nerve with the Non Rangers fans on this forum, no longer will we stand idly by and let our detractors do as they see fit. Our fans are now more united than we ever have been, the sleeping giant has awoken and it is extremely p*ssed off.

@6: and, as a result, the club is seen as petty and bitter. But then, you probably don't care about that. You should though as reputation counts in business.

What about the Rangers fans who don't want to boycott or to be seen as petty and bitter?

@7. Reputation? So does Integrity, but that mantra seems to have disappeared now from certain quarters. If other fans consider us petty and bitter, then that's their opinion, funny how it only seems to apply to us! Were other SPL fans petty and bitter when they demanded boycotts of Rangers? The majority of our fans appear to be behind this boycott, whilst i personally do not think it's the best idea - i am not against it. bigbaz

@8: the demand for a boycott was so that a liquidated club didn't just waltz back into the top league. Would that have been right if it had happened? {The Ed039's Note - Do you think the circumstances might have been different had it been say Aberdeen, or Dundee United, I have my suspicions it would have been a completely different result in the end)

@9. No i agree, no-one should just 'waltz' back into the SPL, nor should they have been given the treatment or abuse that was directed at us by certain parties. We accepted that our club should start the new season in Div 3, but did not accept the way Rangers were trying to be shoe horned into Div 1 to help the 'sporting integrity' SPL try and save their precious TV deal. bigbaz

05 Dec 2012 09:30:25
I'm really pleased with the options in the squad going forward. Big Kyle was excellent on Sunday as was Barrie McKay. With McCulloch able to play a role similar to Kyle we have 2 big target men capable of doing a turn for us. Out wide Templeton and McKay can be prolific and with guys like Little, Sandaza, Naismith, Aird, Crawford all available and Hemmings and Mitchell to come back in we look really good in attack.
Midfield is decent enough but i would like to see Hutton get a run ahead of Black as i think Hutton is a more tidy player than Black and has the physique to handle himself at this level, McLeod has been a revelation this season and it's great to see guys like him, McKay, Aird, Crawford and Naismith making an impact.
In defence i am a bit concerned. Our centre halves have been shacky to say the least this season and i feel the solution is Lee Wallace. I saw him play centre half at Hearts a few years ago and was really impressed with him. He has plenty of pace, is tall enough to challange in the air and comfortable on the ball. Even short term i'd rather see Wallace play alongside Hegarty instead of McCulloch purely down to pace.
As a whole i think if the club can bring these young guys on like they have been doing over the past few months and we manage to hold onto the likes of Alexander, Wallace and Shields then we'll be in great shape going forward. I still think Cribari was a poor signing and would rather see a partnership of Perry and Hegarty at centre half getting a run ahead of him. Theres no better way for these 2 young guys to get their apprenticship than in the rough and tumble of SFL3 IMO.
J1985

05 Dec 2012 09:12:14
Think Charles green has went about this boycott in the wrong way. Instead of rejecting all tickets from Dundee utd he should have only asked for 200 tickets. This way he was still putting the point across about the boycott but at least there would be a section of fans there to cheer on the team. However going down this road has left it open for the SFA to give all the gate money to utd, more of their fans will probably turn up in defiance about the boycott and the only club to benefit will be utd. Charles Green has done well mostly when taking over Rangers but this boycott could backfire on Rangers

05 Dec 2012 03:42:52
We're buying your away end tickets for the UTD game!

Already got nearly 100 definite's and that's since tea time tonight . Were gonna get after the tickets tomorrow. What a sight this will be to see. Dundee Utd vs Rangers in the cup. Utd will sell out they're allocation along with Celtic fans in the away end. When Utd win the party will go on into the night. Pretty sure this will be a first of its kind.

Wonder what the Rangers players will be thinkin, trudging off after they get they're backsides tanned and having been peltered for 90 mins with no reply? {Ed001's Note - yet you can't fill your own ground? So sad that you hate Rangers more than you love your own club. This is why Scotland is a laughing stock in England, why your league is struggling and why you are not wanted in the English league. Petty beyond belief.}

So when gers win and run up to the away support what will yous do ,through your scarves onto the pitch lol lol then again yous are used to throwing your scarves away lol doug t.s.o

You should start buying tickets for your own midden first,Rangers will beat UTD,What will all you sour faced dhims do then,giry.watp

Well said Ed001

that is the problem up here way to many fans hate other clubs more than they love their own. and that includes some of our own fans as well. there is nothing wrong with hating your biggest rivals its part and parcel of football but when that hatred overshadows your love for your own team it becomes an obsession

Celtic fans need to take a good long look in the mirror they come on here and all over the internet not to mention radio phone ins and blast Rangers for boycotting a game yet not one word of condemnation of the Green Brigade and their boycott of certain home games

double standards me thinks

Lochaber bear {Ed001's Note - I disagree, there is no need for hatred, hatred bring nastiness and trouble with it. People need to grow up and realise it is a game.}

Ok Ed maybe hatred is to strong a word in my case i really really really really dont like Celtic FC, Aberdeen FC and St Mirren FC (im originally from greenock lol) But i dont Hate Celtic Supporters (for my sins i can count many of them as good friends lol) im happy to say i dont have any sheep s******s as friends and no St Mirren fans but i neither like them nor hate them its their clubs that i really really dislike

Lochaber Bear {Ed001's Note - it is just the word hate spreads, and kids pick up on it and believe it is meant. The hatred needs to end, then Scottish football can rebuild. Let's face it, the best games I have ever played were against friends, good friends, I wanted to beat them desperately, and then afterwards the banter is great, whether you win or lose. It doesn't lessen the rivalry if you lose the hatred, just changes the way it manifests.}

And what about any Rangers fans who do go to the game? Talk about collision course, you celtic lot ought to keep to your own affairs.

04 Dec 2012 23:58:38
Let's get the game beamed back to Ibrox, we keep our gate, they keep the match gate money. The 7000 they get will be outnumbered by the 20,000 plus that we get.

I have no desire to go to Tannadice ever again, I think they are bang out of order in all sorts of ways, but I actually think it is a good thing as I fear trouble. The feelings are ruNning high and it is still raw. I fear that trouble may happen
and if that happened we would be playing in the East Renfrewshire amateur league.

Hope Mr green plans to send back tickets for next old firm aswell liewell and Thompson were as bad as each other.

Good idea, now how much do the tv rights for the game cost.... what £5 million - yeah right.

think mon!

04 Dec 2012 23:50:15
well done charlie...takes a lotta testicular fortitued tae make an announcement like that....seems that green is a true blue....plus i have a sneaky feeling there would be a wee bitta agro at that game....just ask the russians....dundee punters have a huge chip on their shooders...always have had...were gonny get gubbed anyhoo....draw at best.....deecee