Rangers Banter Archive April 06 2012

 

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06 Apr 2012 21:58:55
Good night ladies, I'm off.....yer chat's murder! lol

Miko x

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Never thought I would write this, Miko don't go, I like the cut of your jib.

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06 Apr 2012 21:53:43
I don't want liquidation obviously, but if it happned it wouldn't be the worst thing. If we are we start fresh and I think then we should make a fan-owned Phoenix Club. If people stop supporting because were liquidated then that doesn't show the loyalty Rangers minded people are so famous for. We are not supporting the buisness, we are supporting our way of life so it should carry on.

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We really need to pay our debts as Rangers Football Club. can you imagine what it would be like other teams would be singing about if a new co was formed and no debts payed imagin a Rangers and Celtic game afterwards it would be worse trouble than what we get now do we really want to put the public at such risk I say no to a new co and get out of admin and pay the debts no matter what and how long it takes,

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It doesnt show loyalty ?? U having a laugh ya clown it wont be rangers fc so u an the rest can toddle off rangers die i die


TB

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Tell him straight TB if its not rfc its not rangers, end of
paul RFC

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Woo hoo paul thinks its the 1st thing we ave ever agreed on


TB

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It's a bit worrying to hear someone say if a football club dies, they do too. Calm down a bit and gain some perspective about life.

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Im a Rangersfc fans from MALAYSIA.. i dont care who ever takes over.. as long RANGERS still there...

RANGERS TILL I DIE...
my first Ever Rangersfc games..

RANGERS 1 CELTIC 0
( Parkhead ) IAN DURRANT GOAL...nearly end of first half..

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06 Apr 2012 21:52:22
It seems that it will come down to BK and Ng. There are clearly major differences. Firstly the BK are Rangers fans and they will have a share issue so it allows the fans to own a part of our club. This time we have to put our money up and support our club financially. Let's be honest we do not have the best track record when it comes to putting our money into shares.however I feel that there will be less money available.
The Ng bid appears exciting, but is another trip to the unknown. There is clearly much more money behing them, but will they spend it?
The possibility to break into the Asian market could be huge, and actually Celtic have done far better in that market. Would we rather have those we know or take a chance with Ng?
From what I have read it appears Ng has bid £20m with £12m available for creditors. I believe the BK bid will be about £15m, but with the ticketus deal it may be more value to the creditors, as there will be one less creditor to satisfy, and a big creditor at that. This will mean more money for the remaining creditors.
Would be interested to know who, given the choice of these two would you prefer. I know it is not up to us, but would like to know what your thoughts are.
Press agree for BK and disagree for Ng.
Can't believe after what we have been through, but I think a chance with Ng might be better for us, but it is more uncertainty and could not stand another whyte like fiasco.

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Whyte could still be a problem to any take over. BK OR NG ? money talks m8,

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Ticketus deal is not Just there for TBK they opened discussions with all bidders Couldnt find Bill Ng on forbes but try Ng family and you will get a pleasant surprise amd it has been alleged that its a consortium of 5 with P.Lim involved he tryed to buy Liverpool in 2010 for £320 mill

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According to Ed001, Lim is a Whyte figure.

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CLUTCHING AT STRAWS...B

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Who lim ??

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It's a bit worrying to hear someone say if a football club dies, they do too. Calm down a bit and gain some perspective about life.

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06 Apr 2012 21:48:08
I keep hearing all the debts have nothing
to do with Rangers fans, but how about
accepting responsibility and for talking
sake your RFFF which you keep boasting
is getting bigger every day, use some
of it to pay £10k to scottish ambulance
£40 to the wee face painting lady and
tomorrow when you go to game
pop into newsagent in copland rd and
give him some extra custom. 3 pieces
of goodwill, but this time as usual
Rangers fans WILL walk away from
all debts making usual excuses Timalloy

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Pipedown troll, why don't you go write a letter of complaint to some large uk company that pays as little as possible in tax, and ask them to take a moral stance and help our st.johns, police, and other civil servants

Canyousaybanana!!

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Well said mate sick of these people on their moral high ground blaming us ordinary workin class fans something that suits done and we still havent got too bottom of

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Vodaphone for a start 9 billion they owed how much they pay back hee haw

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Its not about moral high ground you deluded fool its about fiscal responsibility and abiding
by the prevailing laws of the land.Do not kid yourself into thinking that its only the suits to blame.Everyone of the "fans" arrogantly wallowed in the now tainted success that followed the deliberate and criminal way the club was run.The last time i heard the fighting fund was sitting at £110,000 if you divide that by the imaginary 200,000 "fans" that trashed Manchester that equates to 55p per head.Thats the extent of your "loyalty" and like the 150,000 "fans" that have mysteriously vanished your club will do likewise and disappear down the tax hole of their own greedy,arrogant making

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06 Apr 2012 21:44:24
@12.....where are you exiled? The moon? You wouldn't have had the success on the football field had it not been for the off field influences......chicken comes before the egg.......get it?

Miko x

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Get it right, would not had as much but still loads.

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Haha, made an a*se of that post, what a donk!

Miko x

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06 Apr 2012 21:19:57
Timmy here.

I really hope that you lot get the right guy in place.
i do not really care what other guys say but I always want the gets to be our Arch Rivals.

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06 Apr 2012 21:07:13
Ed, here is som einfo on Bill Ng that may be of interest to the lads:

http://hougangunited.blogspot.com/2012/04/hougang-united-chief-key-figure-in.html

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06 Apr 2012 21:03:24
Rangers 3 vs Celtic 2 - 25/03/2012

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Might be the last time for this incarnation of the club...

That's realism, not hope.

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06 Apr 2012 20:48:06
Why don't we just boycott all the company's that we owe money to, after all they are the people bringing us to our knees. Lets return the favour. I for one wont be using the newsagents in Copland Rd again!

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This has to be a wind-up.

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Hope u work and dnt get paid c how it feels wat a statement cunnybhoy

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U must be having a laugh. if anything we should be helping them out. they have helped us,. hope you do not need an ambulance or police for anything soon. we should be honest at times like this. we owe we pay.

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Surely the y should get free newspapers?

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And exactly how has the newsagent in
Copland Road brought trouble to your
beloved club?

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What a shlit stirring post! no rangers fan would ever say that, stay on your own page with that carp.

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U could always go tae the new aldi on copeland road tic tok tic tok

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How many of you were willing to boycott the Dundee Utd game? Just because it is a lowly newsagent doesn't make the whole idea stupid. I hope those of you who did boycott the dundee utd game hang your heads in shame, you are taking money out of these clubs who like rangers have peoples wages to pay.

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I don't stay anywhere near the copland road so of course I'm not gonna use it, #8 was also my post!

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06 Apr 2012 20:33:56
this is terrible no one likes paying bills (fact) but £70 to a florist's?? its fast becoming a joke and i agree with a few people in here that murray has alot to answer for it must have been glorious to work on the former board when money came in.... heres some for you mr.bain and heres some for you mr.johnston oh and i'll take this home to murray's mansion but mr.murray what about the flowers you got this morning they need paying..... ach to hell with them just say we forgot and we'll pay double next time... now lets go and count all the shirt money we have la la la la la.... disgrace.

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Wouldn't have taken long to count the shirt money as clubs don't make that much. I get your general point though - it's a good one.

1903

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The bills that were on the books are in the administrators hands as soon as we went into administration,a lot of these bills would have been sent in for clearance then as creditors started to panic so thats why a lot of small claims that look really bad as it looks as if we were renaging on paying,but that is not the case they would have been settled on a 3 month cycle thats common practise in busisness

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06 Apr 2012 20:24:29
Bills, clearly there has been avoidance by CW on a massive basis, however the list of creditors will be massive as we are talking about a business that turns over say £45-50m a year when d&p turned up in the middle of Feb all the accounts were effectively suspended, therefore sums which would normally have been paid were stopped, much the Same as if each persons bank account was suspended how many d,debits would rack up in 7 or 8 weeks, not making excuses but a lot of this debt is inflated cause of the administration.

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Err,you go into admin when you cant cover existing bills and cant give a positive projection of income

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Yep, it's called insolvent!

Miko x

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So the debts would have been paid had it not been for administration we are in admin, because we had no money to pay them with.Its time to get our heads out of the sand we are in deep s--t.

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I think the word is skint. Borassic.

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06 Apr 2012 20:20:46
Correct me if I'm wrong, Rangers debt last May was zero, it now stands at £55 million plus the estimated £75 million for tax. Craig Whyte says on Clyde Rangers are in a better state now. FFS, that man's got some b**ls. Dont think we've heard the last of the little t**t and could cause us some real problems in the coming weeks PB

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You're wrong!

Miko x

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06 Apr 2012 19:26:57
Ed is that D&Ps statement completely factual mate ? Why would caley say we have paid if we haven't? Anyway all clubs we owe will be paid by the SFA of our league placing money, except maybe hearts not sure when the Wallace payments are due, so atleast the smaller clubs can relax knowing they will get paid. (except utd, f£ck them, they can take our double ticket charge of our debt to them)
PaulRFC {Ed001's Note - it is just a little out of date.}

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It's from the date the club entered admin until 31st March.

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06 Apr 2012 20:08:55
Of course they'll go under, who's got £134m burning a hole in their pocket? It's obvious they will be liquidated. The club may, or may not, lose it's history but one thing's for sure, tainted titles over the last 25 years will very much be part of your history!

You're damaged goods and you know it! lol

Miko x

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Oh my goodness looks who's back out of hiding.

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Are you meant to be replying to someone Miko xkissx ?

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Have we been using the EBTs for a quarter of a centuary ? Stone me sea biscuit I must of missed that news!
PaulRFC
Ps what a strange post moko ?

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At least have the cojones to put a name to your post before you address me, Percy!

Miko x

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Try looking at the bigger picture Mr RFC! I aint gonna even explain to you, work it out!

Moko x

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06 Apr 2012 19:26:27
Brekkin news ma bhoays " bill miller lite the americun milyunair who iz eftur the rangurs,n who is the ownur ae a caur towin co. in usa hiz hid hiz caur towed away fae the stv stewdioz am sorie tae say , my names JON MACKAY,ovur tae you RAHMAN!"
A spokis min fae " wee pats towing away co so it iz plc" sade hee haw tae bul millur lite, n anybidy thit wants tae hire a stretch limo fur weddins n staggies cotact me it,01417171 1888, so its hee haw fae me n YEE HA fae hum
here boab did ye untie that hoarse fae the bak?

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Ed is that pat ? There can't be another? Can there ? Please NOOOO !
PaulRFC

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PaulRFC do you understand it? Can you translate if for me, or ed if you can?

GovanFR

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Govan FR just for you...
Bill Miller lite, owner of a car towing company, has just had his car towed away from STV studios, if anyone would like to hire a limo from wee Pat's car towing company phone 014171711888,
easy peasy Paul/govan fr lol Timalloy

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06 Apr 2012 17:28:56
A question to all the real Rangers fans out there. I see some healthy debate amongst you regarding supporting a 'newco' if that is the eventual situation. A few people have said about the history dying, the club's traditions and what the club stands for and your pride in these things. This is a football club, not a religion or political movement so could someone please explain what traditions along with what the club stands for that makes you feel so proud. Having a sectarian signing policy for 120 years is not something I would have thought was something to be proud of, neither should the years of financial irregularities, mismanagement and non payment of bills be a source of such pride. Your club is now and always will be, in whatever guise, pariahs and used as an example of how a football club should NOT be ran. HMRC and the footballing authorities will use your club as an example of the punishment clubs can face for devious and underhand behaviour, UEFA will use your past business model as why the FFP regs should be brought in, so that other clubs can play on a more even playing field while running their finances in a proper manner. Is this really a club that installs pride in a man? It seems that even with fans clamouring for a cheap way out of this, thus depriving small companies and the government of monies owed by the clubs skullduggery is basically immoral and proves again that the club's arrogance is 'off the radar' when it comes to doing the right thing. The club's history and traditions should be left in the past as they have proven to be wrong in more than one way, there is nothing the club stands for that can ever be seen as something to be proud of, bigotry and financial meltdown is hardly the stuff you would want to tell your grandkids with any great gusto.

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If you don't get it there's no point trying to explain it. Now get back under your rock. SG

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The most successful football club in the world. Is that enough to be proud of?

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Let me keep this simple for you.......we want Glasgow Rangers!!

No newco, just Glasgow Rangers.

There. Does that answer your condescending question??

TTG

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120 year sectarian signing policy give us a break.
What about the great Jock Stein when he was retiring at Celtic, offered a Directors position, no he was offered a job in the Celtic Pools. He captained Celtic to Coronation success in 1953, after being offered an asst to Sean fallon which he refused he was offered a joint managerial role with Sean Fallon and refused that and only after all that he was offered the managers job. As you know he took you to European glory and that merited a job in the Celtic pools.
Your own history is tainted with the Kelly/White dynasty and the 'estimated attendances' scam. Sir Robert Kelly's funeral it was said the attendance was 'estimated'
Enjoy tomorrow, after all it is only Killie!

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What an intelligent response to reasonable points. Some people really do their best to adhere to the stereotypes.

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Let he that is without sin cast the first stone.
Practise what you preach. And so on and so on .

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Unfortunately, many Rangers fans simply won't care what is costs (sorry) for the club to survive and will celebrate this no matter who has lost out. As long as it's not their club in the long run. As the OP says, it's sheer arrogance. It's also lacking basic human decency.

Not all Rangers fans, just some, and I'm sure it would be the same with all clubs: that a minority have no morals or consideration for others.

1903

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#4: thanks for the totally irrelevant response to the original post. It really enlivened the debate by flying off at a tangent and showed us you're another who's desperate to score cheap points, no matter how daft it makes you look.

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5) Jeeez..you have real issues m8! Starting to panic a wee bit in case the Bears DON'T go under. I can see why the eastenders want us to die, then you would stand a decent chance of finally becoming the best team in Glasgow...until then..stay bitter!
PS regarding this losing history 5hit. How does that work?...do we all develop selective amnesia to the fact that a team called Rangers were the most successful football club in the world. Oh, I get it... every champion that dies automatically loses their history?? Duhh....
Enjoy your day tomorrow...you deserve it...or did I just hear the faint chink of bottles per chance... LOL.
Exile Bear

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The world's most successful club? Now that's ironic! lol

Miko x

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Exile Bear is right you don't lose your history, it can't be deleted.

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Miko...on the football field yes...otherwise it's a baws up.! Enjoyed the quip! Good banter m8.
Exile Bear

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#9: no issues here, mate - I support neither of the Old Firm so you too are guilty of adhering to the stereotypical behaviour of believing that anyone on here disagreeing with Rangers fans is a Celtic fan. How is the bandwagon?

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@8 not irrelevant, factual.

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@14: maybe but not relevant to the OP. Ergo, irrelevant.

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I tried to make the estimated attendance point the other day.... how is that not tax avoidance.

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#16: how many clubs allowed 'doubling up' or over-estimated attendances? Did Rangers? Stop trying to make it all better by making out that other clubs have questions to answer regarding tax. If they did, HMRC would be onto it. Rangers are in the sh!t and dragging up historical accusations won't make it go away!

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TIG we want glasgow rangers ?? Nomwe dont coz that aint our name still cant believe some gers fans still dont
Know the real name of our club rangers fc

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Would a club called Glasgow Rangers not be a newco? Be careful what you wish for TIG.

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06 Apr 2012 17:55:17
If the Singapore consortium is in the lead and wish to appoint a Scottish Board. It'd be good if they co-operated with the Blue Knights and had some of them on the board?
If they are all for Rangers, have them unite and invest in Rangers. In times of need, unity would help us greatly!

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Yea its like the x factor when simon cowel will move the not so great singers into a group to make them stronger pmsl.....jsm

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06 Apr 2012 17:19:52
I'm actually embarrassed to be a rangers supporter when u see who we owe money to, maybe a newco would have more respect to pay it's bills on time

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Naw a newco is not the way a head as it isnt rangers fc

TB

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Blame lies squarely on both the old and new boards, fans blameless and are still being treated like mushrooms.

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Why be embarassed its got nothing to do with us (the fans).. this is due to years of mismanagement from owners,directors etc...jsm

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What, your embarrassed to be a Rangers supported because we owe people money? So your answer to clear your guilt is to liquidate the club and bump everyone, read what p*sh you are writing before posting it!

The Pilot!

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I aint you to,,,ser,sure glad i dont know you,....trueblue....

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06 Apr 2012 17:19:18
totally discrediting that Rangers will probably turn this around on the back of money grabbing outsiders finding ways to avoid the mega debts.
Something societally wrong when incompetence is rewarded like this.
The ordinary person in the street has to accept responsibility for his actions and pay his way so why not Rangers?

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If the ordinary person in the street runs up debts like that they would declare themselves bankrupt, thus waiving the debt. So calm down there is no big conspiracy.

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06 Apr 2012 17:13:28
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It isnt him why do people believe papers when its something they like to here


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06 Apr 2012 15:35:29
For a few weeks now i have been reading posts on this site using words like dignity and honour.Well after seeing the published list of creditors i have to say it is a damning list.Flower shops,taxi's and face painters! I am afraid to say there is no dignity or honour at Rangers at this time.These people were told to invoice their bills by people who knew there would be a problem paying them.The figures shown with regards to debt(even without tax cases)are shocking.Liquidate and start again in div 3 is the only way we can ever hold our heads up after this shambles. WATP? not now,we are the pariahs more like.

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Sorry liquidate and start again is the only way we can hold our heads up? Are you joking? What makes you thing that giving the 2 fingers to all those we owe money too, then coming back with a different name is holding our heads up?
Don

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It's a list of creditors, but it does not show what is owed to our club from other outside sources or clubs. That's like totting up your monthly bills without adding in your wages!

Everyone is talking about the £134 million we owe but as yet the tax case has not went against us, and if it does is it going to be the full £93m quoted? Who knows?

There is also £8m owed to debenture seat owners but they will only become creditors if the club goes into liquidation. If the club continues then does that not mean that these people still own the seats as per previous agreement.

There is a lot of scaremongering going on in the press and a lot of guess work also, we are in a very dangerous position and we need someone to come in and work hard to save the club but I do believe it can be done if the right people are in place.

Too many journo's are out there to sell papers and by writing crap every day they are continuing to fuel the fire in an attempt people to buy their rags.

The Pilot!

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Do you mean the Daily Ranger?

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06 Apr 2012 15:28:35
Maybe the team will go to the end of the season with no wages they don't want any staff at the club put out of work and it is a family here at ibrox. Well think about the hard working folk trying to earn a living waiting to be paid by rangers football club, and all they are told is join the list of creditors and we might offer you 10p in the pound,and hope you manage to keep your job.Get your fighting fund money back and pay the poor shops that have supplied you with goods so they can live. and never mind your glory......b

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U sai the other week that no1 will accept 10p in the pound u ave changed ur tune timmy

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#1: it would be good if you read the original post properly.

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06 Apr 2012 14:42:55
I understand the fact that Rangers supporters want their club to survive. But from what I can gather it seems not many Rangers supporters are bothered by the fact that if they do survive, it's because they didn't pay what they owed. Doesn't the notion of not fulfilling their financial obligations just make their stomach turn? I know it would've turned mine. Knowing I've taken goods and services in good faith, yet have failed to repay my debts in full. It must be a horrible burden to carry around.

GoldCoastBhoy

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This country is full of fly men taking small businesses to the cleaners and nothing to do with fottball as ive een stung a few times doug

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How can you say were not bothered about the debt off course were bothered about it i would rather we had no debt but i cant turn the clock back and make it dissapear so what ever way the club manages to stay away from liqwadation i will take it because i don't want the club to die which i still think there is a chance for the club still to survive

so don't sit there and tell me if your club were in a bad way you wouldn't be hoping for exact same thing

campbell

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Listen mate. Us Gers fans are devastated about the state of our club and saddened other clubs/ businesses might lose out. Im sure you have better things to do and why dont you just enjoy your title instead of goading us? GTM

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Jog on mate , you no nothing because all my mates want us to pay to the full, your entitled to your opinion, of course you are but dont count the MINORITY as a MAJORITY because your wrong to do so !
PaulRFC

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Get real, slightly more important things in life to be concerned about. Certain people at the club need to have a good look at themselves though.

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F off timothy it is not the fans whom are pissing the club about but the suits & corportate greed. We gave full houses for practically all games for decades so why the shortfall. Yes I am a tax payer and I would not get away with some of the thing rumoured about 6p in the pound payback I would prefer the ones that caused the problem to pay up. Or get their lawyers to fight the tax case its the fans whom are suffering. It nearly happend to you so dont be so smugg and with out us you are also f"""d
If way were to start at the bottom we wil soon rise up as they say cream is alway at the top WATP

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Change WATP to WWTP I think you can manage to work it out bye noe last man out turn off the lights (thats if the leckie aint cut off first)

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06 Apr 2012 14:39:24
ed have you heard anything else about the bidders today or do you just know the same as us

campbell {Ed001's Note - same as you mate, sorry.}

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Cheers ed appreciated

campbell

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06 Apr 2012 14:09:33
I know it wont happen but wouldnt it be interesting to see all other clubs debts listed like our yesterday,bet there would be some really interesting and surprising figures to inspect

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Every club has debts,But other clubs make an effort to pay them, you's are only interested in glory at any cost........b

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You's being us rangers fans i take it No 1 ? glory is last thing on our mind just now. Our clubs hierarchy have shamed our club and us fans, dont think for one minute the fans are happy to see the list of money we owe its despicable to say the least, maybe the board aint but us fans really are the people, the people who do care, so give it a rest with your moral high ground, sick to the back teeth of sniping from all quarters, we know the mess we are in and are ashamed by it ....... LARKYELLIS

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1) your club just bought a title by spending money they didnt have £7mill in debt

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Big difference is we won the title, we will be in europe next year(for however long that happens to be), we can trade players on the transfer market and bring revenue in to reduce this debt, you however are skint, facing liquidation and are losing money at the rate of £3.1m per month. The difference is we invested what we could afford, not money we didn't have and we will get a return on the money invested this season, you invested hee haw and thats exactly what you will be left with!

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06 Apr 2012 13:31:22
Guys post below got me thinking.

this WRTP thing..... is this you guys practicing for liquidatation??

We Remember The People ??

Evinguu

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I could be wrong but I thought that was posted by a tic , hence the "R" instead of "A"...
PaulRFC

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06 Apr 2012 13:28:40
I have got to laugh at all those from the dark side and even some of my own supporters going on about how we (rangers) should pay back every penny owed to the tax man. I keep reading about not paying your taxes and cheating the government out of millions of pounds.

What I would like to know is how many of you have had jobs on the side or even had jobs done for yourself on a cash only basis knowing full well that you have just cheated the tax man. I bet 99% of the posters on here have done exactly that, therefore cheating the government out of taxes owed.

It may be a great deal less that what’s happening at Ibrox but none the less you are still dodging tax, so get off your moral high ground and have a good look at yourselves!!

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Are you trying to condone benefit fraud? Typical from you lot. Get a job and pay your way, absolutely disgusted with people like you. I work hard and get well paid for it, you should maybe try it rather than being a burden on society by scrounging from the social while working.

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Yes spot on if your boss ask you to work late or weekend ( cash in the hand ) every supporter thats got a job would be doing cartwheels to take it problem is the govenments of this country having been screwing us for tax for years thats why so many guys find its more rewarding not to work ( ps .just found out today theres a pie tax what the f next with them doug

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To number @1, i not condoning benefit fraud but as i said you probably have at some stage paid for or got something done that did the tax man out of money. So as i said before get of your moral high ground.

Oh i am getting my car sorted on the side as we speak, cash in hand, what a naughty boy i am for dodging tax!!

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I dont think the guy is condoning benefit fraud he is simply pointing out that some people on this forum are lecturing RFC on moral issues when if the truth be told they are probably guilty of a few sins themselves, especially you.

RS

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Theres a lot of people that work hard and dont get well paid for it i employ drivers and 20% of their gross wage goes in deductions then ive got to pay employers contribution does this guy think it only gers supporters that scrounge fn assh---didnt see him put his name at end of post , doug

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Is the OP actually trying to compare getting £20 cash in hand for doing a spot of window cleaning with non payment of taxes at £90+ million? Unbelievable.

TerribleBeauty

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Hmrc like to over estimate their bills to put frighteners on you ,mines was originally 56,000 but true figure was brought down to 17,600 then they f me in december didint give me a chance to sell my house to pay their bill , i hope hmrc get fd by gers for the lot doug

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Bitter man doug, I see you are not arguing that you owed the money and you make a nice point they made you pay so why are Rangers any different?

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Yes im bitter ive had my business 38 years and when my house is sold hmrc will get their 17.600 but kpmg will charge me 20,000 for doing it ,they justify their bill by sending out letters wanting me to sign that i wont drive my car without road tax ,insurance ,and mot ,the cars a ten plate by the way so doesnt need a fn mot ,im still trading and they think their doing me a big favour if i was from europe theyd bend over backwards to help me doug

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Rangers bill from hmrc isnt concrete yet ,why did they wait all these years to do something about the ebt ,is it a case of we,l need to gather in as much tax as possible for the mess blair and brown left the country in so we,l start with the almighty glasgow rangers ,why didnt they go for man u or chelsea 1st , its always the same were the first to get it poll tax and smoking in trucks ban coming up from england you would have found a pile of fag end on the m6 at carlisle when you cross into scotland doug

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06 Apr 2012 13:22:37
Sir Minty is to blame.

He is the one who killed RFC.

He simply ran the club into the ground, like a horse that is run to its death, a horrible end for anything.

No one held a gun to his head and made him make huge losses year after year after year. It was his compulsiveness to be top dog, No 1, the man, his giant ego, that first crippled rangers and then killed her off totally when like a mug he reached for the EBTs to solve his entirely imagined ‘problems’.

And this 25 distortion of RFC has distorted the whole Scottish league and produced a malformed, stale, dead competition that has suffered terribly.

Chart everything Murray did at RFC – cheating and running the club at massive losses to win at all costs – against the decline of Scottish football at club and national level.

The correlation is stunning.

Murray has killed Rangers yes but he also badly wounded Scottish Football as a whole through his lunacy and kamikaze behaviour.

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What a simpleton, yes SDM must take the lions share of the blame for the mess he made of Rangers but to try and hold him responsible for the state of Scottish football is laughable. Your obsession with Rangers football club is eating you up , have you made the link with the failures of the NHS and the education system back to SDM or what about pension deficits surely thats another area where we are responsible .Your cat must be sick of your mental ramblings in that bedsit of yours, go get some help.

RS

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RS have a word,everything the origional poster says is spot on (check out the agree for him and the disgree for your own bitter rant)

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06 Apr 2012 13:15:06
To all Rangers fans, forget money for a moment.

What is it you are actually supporting? The club is owned by Craig White. The club controls the team and owns the stadium. Can you support a team without supporting the club? In which case can you support a newco fielding a team which plays in blue at Ibrox? Elsewhere?

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Who did Celtic fans support in 94 ? Their club or their team ? My answer is that I support the 11 players on the park always, no matter what, at this time I couldnt give a hoot for anyone in the upper floors of ibrox, infact they actually make me sick to the bone ! As for a "newco" if I think any more about that then I really will BREAK !
PaulRFC

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06 Apr 2012 13:12:31
For those out there that keep going on about liquidation, and those wondering what liquidation means for the clubs 140 year history.

NOTE: Liquidation does not mean the clubs history will be lost, as that, along with all clubs assets can be moved to a new company (likely to be of a very similar/exact same name) prior to the current entity being placed into liquidation (i.e., there is nothing to liquidate in terms of history or assets as it has been moved). [there are a few different types of liquidation - see leeds who technically went through a liquidation event, but didn't have a full scale liquidation and were certainly not dissolved...similar for fiorentina. All history is still in-tact]

The only thing that would wipe history is the dissolution of the club, and all of its assetts to realise their monetary value and pay off the creditors. The club would then cease to exist.

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Oooft

your heads in the sand mate, we dont want liquidation, im sorry buit it does mean a stop to our history, proud though it may be it still means an end to it!

BlulePeter

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06 Apr 2012 13:12:15
Ok so as the full list of creditors was published yesterday and is now public knowledge.

surely the RFFF should get a copy of the list and start using the money in the RFFF to clear of all the smallest debt to small businesses.

some are only £40 up to a few hundred and im sure no fan would complain about the money being used in this way.

and im sure the small businesses that did business with rangers in good faith would the ones most greatful to get there money back from the RFFF.

does anyone know how we an ask the guys controlling the RFFF to think about doing this??

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Posted this earlier but totally agree with this post, do the decent thing and help these small businesses RFFF

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06 Apr 2012 13:04:38
My opinion is that HMRC will lose the BTC. I think the courts won't have the nerve to effective wreck footy in Scotland and, potentially, England (different legal system but hard to see judgement being different).

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So it'll be the court's fault. If Rangers lose it'll be the fault of those who ran the club, no-one else. Like the courts give a Donald Duck about Scottish football - if Rangers are guilty then saving football will not stand in the way of justice.

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Get a Life..why would any judge consider
football to be above the law ...take your medicine and pay your debts

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06 Apr 2012 13:03:20
When is the tax case is it this month?

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06 Apr 2012 13:01:45
am pure raging so i am, sold everything rangers related all my tops , dvds, programmes, season ticket, my brick! lol. and what all for nothing coz timothy said there would be no rangers football club. on this day the 6th of april Rangers would be dead he said coz he is in the know he said
What a lot of barry white that mob spout its too much some times. wait and see what happens then come on here and spout your slite then we may listen to yous
jammydodger

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If you check Rangers have probably bumped the suppliers of the items you list

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And when your club finally does liquidate, we will find you hiding in the corner of your room rocking back and forth with your rangers top on battering your head with your brick saying why couldn't we just pay our debts like Timmy!

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06 Apr 2012 12:40:19
I have read alot of differing views on this forum but the most popular outcome seems to be that we keep the current Rangers FC with the 140 years of tradition and history BUT we pay off all we owe. How do these wise supporters propose we do that. a CVA would only pay a proportion of what we owe. Liquidation would mean starting a phoneix club and again only paying part of what we owe. So how does a club running at a loss for YEARS pay off over £100 million pounds and continue to run?

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The outcome of the HMRC Big Tax Case with a projected sum of 75,000,000 and Ticketus 26,700,000 will have a huge bearing in the future of the club.
If the blue knights are given preferred bidder status by Duff and Phelps this according to Paul Murray will see the 27million due to Ticketus completely restructured.
I agree the current debt dossier is not good but we can only hope that a CVA can be implemented.

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06 Apr 2012 12:26:20
Ed quick question IF the so called Big Tax case is lost will it be put into the public domain who were ALL involved in the EBTs. {Ed001's Note - I couldn't say mate, it certainly should be, but it will be up to the court to decide.}

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06 Apr 2012 12:30:18
Is it just me or is anyone else getting the feeling that we the fans are going to keep getting pushed to the brink untill it gets to the stage when we just don't care if we are liquidated or not, because let's face it WE ARE the only reason left to save our club, and it's become plainly obvious that our "powers that be" don't give a sh!t about us, maybe it's just me because it's another Friday an ma mates are away to the dancing while im no doubt stuck in again, but I am close to BREAKING point !
PaulRFC

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Cant wait for this utterly pointless protest tomorrow! New buyer's wont have any say in deciding liquidation.....its solely down to HMRC! Totally CVA dependant......What a total waste of time, who are we protesting against..HMRC? pathetic

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Well said.its not often a agree with you paul rfc..the powers that be have been shafting the lifeblood of the club the fans!!mr whyte is the one being demonised,yeh hes a slimey individual who makes his money from failing buisnesses,but mr murray is the main reason for rangers fall from grace!!stevo

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Hi mate, where do YOU stand now Paul?
We bears have been through every emotion (well i know i have),over the last month or so,i honestly don't know what to think.
At first i thought PMurray(TBK) were our men, then got a bit of a lift the way B.Kennedy was talking, but to me it looks like the Big L mate.
Especially if we lose the Btc.
I'm led to believe the present bids are just for the "wee sh*te's shares. And that all the bids are conditional on winning the BTC. Just hoping if D&P go for Liquo that B.Kennedy sticks to his word and comes back in. Also not sure about these D&P guy's, they listed yesterday that RFC still owed Inverness Caley £40,000, but Inverness said we'd already paid them! - Fn unbelievable.
Stevie-A-Bear

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Geez it's not often I agree with YOU stevo, but yes mate, your spot on like !
PaulRFC

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@stevie , same stance mate , love our team , love our players, but feel shame through no fault of my own, a crippled RFC with no money but who's paid every debt they can to the fullest they can , is my preferred option but I do realise that it's a pipe dream mate ! So that's it I suppose man !
PaulRFC

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Awe well mate theres a first for everything!!yous should change this give liquidation the red card demo,too the red card for murray&call for his knighthood to be stripped!saying that he be sipping fine wine in his vineyard in france with not a care in the world..stevo

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06 Apr 2012 12:26:28
£134m (potentially) and counting. Every week will add to the debt.

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And you belong to who ? Green and Grey chartered accountants from the east end of Glasgow.

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No, just stating a fact. Given the figures released, you think the debt will decrease in the next few weeks? If you do , you need to give your head a shake and think again.

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06 Apr 2012 12:21:26
Ng believes the Singapore bid may hold an advantage as it is against liquidating the 141-year-old institution, which reportedly boasts a worldwide fanbase of 5.5 million.

It is understood that the Americans’ offer favors liquidation and the subsequent formation of a new company — a move that will undoubtedly anger Rangers fans.

The Singaporeans want to take the route of a Company Voluntary Arrangement, a procedure which enables a company to reach an agreement with its creditors about how the debt is to be repaid. It provides for partial or full repayment depending on what the company can reasonably afford to pay.

Ng said: “We’ve told the administrators that we’ll set aside £12 million to be split among the creditors.

“For every dollar of debt the club owes, about 20 cents will be paid back, while the rest will be written off.”Quite like the sound of this lot seems a win win situation for us, and this NG guy is worth quite a bit


Optimistic !!

watp

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With that arithmetic, Ng is assuming the BTC goes in Rangers' favour.

And that HMRC will agree to the CVA.

Can Rangers be recapitalised with the remaining £8m?

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So do you expect wee vlad to accept £160000 instead of £800000?

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Agree that it "sounds" okay mate, but the stumbling block is that wee sh*te CW.
Is he going to accept £12,000,000 for his 85.3% shareholding and walk away? Granted he put nothing in, so it's still a good return for his £1 coin.
Is D&P going to try and wrestle his shares away from him? I know they've hinted at doing this,but why haven't they? i'm thinking it would have been better trying to get this sorted before the bids came in to make it (a) more attractive, and (b) any money that would have been bid, went to the creditors. Still not sure if D&P are on our side, or the wee Sh*te's. Might well be that TBK get this, because they give Whyte £10 million, bring Ticketus onboard, and Craigy boy does a runner without getting collared for his "personal and corporate guarantees" That's how i see it anyway.
Stevie-A-Bear
Stevie-A-Bear

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How do you know which bidder is in favour of what route, do you work for d&p.

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06 Apr 2012 12:05:32
Singapore. Hougang United chairman Bill Ng has emerged as one of the key figures behind an audacious Singapore bid to take over Scottish football giants Rangers FC.

The 52-year-old, who is a director at private equity firm Financial Frontiers, told The Straits Times on Thursday that he is one of a “handful of Singaporeans from the financial industry” to table a bid for the debt-stricken club.

The Singaporeans are one of four parties who have submitted offers for the reigning Scottish champions. The other bidders are the Blue Knights group led by former Rangers director Paul Murray, Chicago-based Club 9 Sports and an unknown German firm.

The famed Glasgow outfit, which has won the Scottish league a record 54 times, entered administration last month following tax disputes.

“This is a chance to put Singapore on the world football map,” said Ng, speaking from London, where he met club administrators over the course of the week.

“We’re not just doing this for financial reasons. If we take over Rangers, we’ve got plans that will positively impact Singapore football in the long run.”

Club administrators told The Straits Times that all four bids were “positive and constructive” and added that they hoped to identify a preferred bidder next week, followed by due diligence.

While no figures have been disclosed publicly, the offers are likely to run in the tens of millions. It cost Rangers owner Craig Whyte about £52.5 million ($83.3 million) to take over the club from former owner David Murray in May last year.

Ng believes the Singapore bid may hold an advantage as it is against liquidating the 141-year-old institution, which reportedly boasts a worldwide fanbase of 5.5 million.

It is understood that the Americans’ offer favors liquidation and the subsequent formation of a new company — a move that will undoubtedly anger Rangers fans.

The Singaporeans want to take the route of a Company Voluntary Arrangement, a procedure which enables a company to reach an agreement with its creditors about how the debt is to be repaid. It provides for partial or full repayment depending on what the company can reasonably afford to pay.

Ng said: “We’ve told the administrators that we’ll set aside £12 million to be split among the creditors.

“For every dollar of debt the club owes, about 20 cents will be paid back, while the rest will be written off.”

Leading candidate Blue Knights has also announced that it will adopt a similar approach.

Rangers sank into crisis following news that Whyte had bought the club using money — about £24.4 million — raised by mortgaging three years’ worth of season tickets to London- based agency Ticketus.

If the Singaporeans’ bid succeeds, they will appoint a board of directors — Scottish businessmen who support the club — to run the club and keep a tight rein on finances.

On the field, Ng — a Rangers fan himself for more than a decade — revealed plans for an exchange program that will see Singapore coaches and administrators hone their trade at the club’s famous Ibrox stadium.

According to Ng, who took over S-League side Hougang two years ago, Rangers offered a more realistic ownership option than an English Premier League club.

Singapore billionaire Peter Lim’s £320million bid to buy English giants Liverpool in 2010 was edged out by New England Sports Ventures, owners of American baseball team Boston Red Sox.

Ng said: “Our population size is quite similar to Scotland’s so there’s plenty for us to learn from them in terms of football development.

“We aim to engage the Football Association of Singapore on more ideas that can benefit local football.”

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06 Apr 2012 11:59:07
Not being funny but you all go on about the history of your club but let me tell you this IF, and that's a big if, rangers survive this you will never be known or remembered as a club with record domestic titles, you will known or remembered as that club that cheated, owed money to a company in nearly every county in the country and had the cheek to ask to pay
next to nothing back, its companys like you that have destroyed the economy, wouldnt be suprised if the money you owed has cost normal everyday people there jobs because you were to greedy trying to be a club you could never be. So if you some how get out of this remember you will forever be known as that team cheated not the record holders for domestic titles that is FACT

Gemmell1967

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No, thats what you want to think. But in reality we will be known as the most successful club in the world. How can you say FACT when it's your opinion, and it is just that an opinion. Celtic will always be remembered as second best.

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You sound like a bitter and twisted wee man AIRCHEE, always cheated never defeated. Why Dont you try and be a little positive because with out us there will never be a YOU And anyways its all getting a bit boring now zzzzzzzzzzzzz ! LeetheBEAR

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You could well be right Archie , but your also forgetting that we will ALWAYS be remembered as the team that's HUMPED your team MORE than any other, so every cloud an that !

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So ! the history books have been written and read already so it matters not a jot , jog on Next! haha

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The history of either club wont really matter, all that will be said is Celtic survived thier financial woes rangers didn't. ENDOF

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06 Apr 2012 11:54:36
How can so many think that a CVA will be accepted,when HMRC have been dealing with the small& big tax cases& whilst doing so RFC had the audacity to further not stump up for PAYE NI& VAT now to the tune of 15million.....stevo

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Stevo, you take something or you take nothing that's the deal .Do you want to think about it and then come back with a sensible comment.

RS

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LOL...... Stevo and a sensible comment?
Do me a favor RS! With delusional thinking like that the Tic fans will soon be believing that their team is the most successful club team in the world!
Stevie-A-Bear

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Lol,so its delusional thinking..same as when we owe nothing on the jelavic transfer?so yous condoning ripping off over 250 companies& offer pennies in pound or get nowt!!!no scruples morales dignity,stevo

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Stevo,

Rangers fans are known for having good morale. You are in danger of becoming the biggest person on these pages. You should be very proud- if you achieve your target- as you have stiff competition from timalloy, rusty sherrifs badge et al.

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The truth hurt eh,rangers tax dogers est2012...yous wont be rememberd for your history or league titles,forever be the club that has shamed scottish football..your never ending soap opera roles on,the comedy gold continues from the morale club!!today we have singapore billionaires,i think the only continent not in with a bid is africa,saying that rfc in as much debt as africa!!pmsl...david attenbourgh be next doing a documentry about the glasgow bears going to be extinct for summer time!!!!!stevo

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06 Apr 2012 11:53:51
In reply to my posting. I have been in the position. of having to pay off a lot of debts.I did so without a csv or liquidation i can walk with a straight back and my head held high because i paid all my debts in full do not mock anyone as you dont know how life can pan out for anyone. I only wish all who has Glasgow Rangers intrests to play the long game and pay all owed in full.

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06 Apr 2012 11:53:04
Dont worry bears you have got wee
Salmond in your corner. You LUCKY
peepil NOT.

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06 Apr 2012 11:30:25
i dont see how any of the bids can be conditional tht we win tax case and if we lose we get liquidated with a new owner etc because after today new rules tht debt follows u so wats the point of liquidating

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If you read up in this it tells you the new rule apllies to England only

bear1873

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Debt doesn't follow us, another myth.

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Newco starts with a blank sheet of paper. On the plus side, no debts. On the minus side, no place in the league.

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I think you will find it also applies to Scotland as well, Tax hasn't been devolved to the scottish parliment so your hmrc bill is going with you!

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06 Apr 2012 11:28:17
If anyone ever needed evidence the D&P are acting on behalf of Whyte it came when they didn't publish the audited accounts. Why not? Because Whyte didn't want people to see where money has gone to. Administrators should have no reason not to publish them.

My main other point is where has all the money gone. I accept without Europe Rangers run at an annual loss of approx £10mil. Looking through the creditors list it looks as though the only people Whyte has paid has been the staff so we cannot run at such a high loss. Whyte took a loan from Ticketus of £30mil, I think roughly £6mil has been paid back. We haven't paid VAT/PAYE to the tune of £15mil, Jelavic sale of £5.5mil. Plus A£6mill for the wee tax case which was in the accounts, but is no longer. Is this about £50mil that is missing?

GovanFR

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Good point. What happened to the money that didn't make it to the lawyers' account?

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06 Apr 2012 11:22:52
One question are you going to pay for your tickets for the Celtic game on the 29th April or will it just be added to the rest of the money that you owe to Celtic?

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LOL , never fail to amaze ! You have asked TWO questions, not one !

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I think celtic should let us in for nothing down to our circumstances and let gers know what a generous club they are we would do the same for them doug

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You owe ?

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You'll need us to fill breezeblock towers, noticed a considerable amount of empty seats at the ground against St Johnstone last week or were you saving your giros for this weekend? Can almost hear the faint sound of bottles crashing again!!

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Whether we pay upfront or not,we will still beat u and as always outsing your mob

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06 Apr 2012 11:22:09
Strip sdm of his knighthood this is a total mess this is shocking mismanagement he has never been honest wi us he wasn't duped by white he needed of the sinking ship he is just as much a crook as white this club must never be run by one person ever again as the truth never comes out till its to late

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On what grounds would you strip his knighthood? He wasn't awarded it for services to football.

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06 Apr 2012 11:13:27
Duff and duffer just taking the piss, they know no one is going buy us. Taking gers for every penny.

The gers grim reaper.

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06 Apr 2012 11:10:03
We could win the title this weekend ! What titles that ? Oh aye the SPL, what about the cup? Are we still in that? I think so mate, who are we playing? Can't mind ma heads fried because ALL I do is talk about RANGERS, read about RANGERS and "search" about RANGERS, it's at the stage now where I'm actually falling in love with them ! Wow mate we really are sad little bhoys ain't we ! Bhoys ? Thought we were the "bears" mate ? Nah mate I get mixed up to, but I defo read somewhere we are the "bhoys", who are we playing this weekend? F£ck nos mate but I no who rangers are playing! (your average Celtic fans conversation)

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Ha ha pmsl!..thats bang on m8.. Billy the bear...

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Right see all this talk about us Celtic fans being obsessed with Rangers its mince. What I personally am obsessed with is the biggest story ever to hit Scottish sport. Scandal, cheating, corruption you couldn't make it up. Other than Celtic winning the European cup I cant think of another story near this magnitude. So no we are not obsessed with Rangers we are following a story........

Perhaps you would be better served worrying about your own predicament rather than speculating about what we think about.

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Just a feeble attempt to deflect from the anxiety to make themselves feel better. Accuse Celtic fans of being obsessed with Rangers and it makes the debt-laden nightmare easier to take, obviously. #2 is right - why shouldn't the fans of other clubs fans be interested in this story, especially if their clubs are owed money. Even so, it's the biggest story to hit Scottish football in a helluva long time, if not ever, so is undoubtedly of interest.

Keep trying to deflect the pain and blame, lads, but it won't work. If Rangers hadn't screwed itself, shot itself in the foot and sold out to win at all costs so that the club is in such a financial mess, we wouldn't be interested.

The Bookie

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06 Apr 2012 10:50:54
05 Apr 2012 23:36:01
Since Rangers went in to adminastration, in a period of 6 weeks Rangers have taken in £1,020,234 in revenue, but have spent £3,617,165 and that's not taking in to account the fumbling about Duff and Phelps have been doing to the tune of £1,199,356. That means that Rangers are currently running at loss of about £3,100,000 per month. Time is money for Rangers right now and the more time Duff and Phelps waste, the more it will cost the club.

Also inland revenue have a rule in agreeing CVA's. They will not agree a CVA with any business where they deem that there has been an evasion of statutory liability, i.e. tax evasion. HMRC class EBT's as an evasion of tax liability, so that means HMRC have a stated policy that will lead them to reject any CVA, so it looks like curtains for Rangers

Source BBC2 news

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The source is actually "news night" and far more than that was said mate. But I like how you only "quoted" the worst case bit, what do you expect though , you can't even get the source right

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Hate to say or admit it as a Rangers fan but sounds spot on. i support the team but have no control over finance and neither does any fan. Fans can only be responsible for their own debt

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Newsnight is news on BBC2 so stop being so pedantic, trying to score points about nothing in a pathetic attempt to deny how deep the sh1t your club is in.

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06 Apr 2012 10:10:06
Do you know what really bothers me . . . What has the Scottish Government care about . . . Religous bigotry, shortbread, golf, tartan. these zealots within the parliament have not got a clue because if they did care about Rangers or any other clxub for that matter surely they would be going hell for leather after companies like Amazon with over a hundred million dodged in Corporation Tax. Wasn't Alex right chuffed about their investment in Scotland,
What about Donald Trump best of buddies then the falling out amongst thieves which has been swept under the carpet.
Don't you wonder what incentives could have been offered to Trump's organisation to locate in Scotland?
SNP and Salmond in particular have done here haw for Scotland. They'd be happy with natural succession, Rangers bust and gone, no more bigotry issues and Ibrox turned into a tartan tatt gift shop.
Sane Bear

Don't forget Amazon . . . No Corporation Tax, happened under Labour's watch continued under Salmond.

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06 Apr 2012 10:09:49
Obviously this isnt a rumour.Why isnt D.Murray being dragged through the coals for what he has done.What he did as a 'custodian(in his words) must be illegal some way down the line. This tosser has milked all the good times, taken all the plaudits and not paid for what seems to be any of it. I bleme hime 1000 times more than Whyte. Murray should be wiped from the memory banks of our club.Its the Rangers fans and present players who are now paying for this while he hobbles around in his mansion having a great nights sleep.As owner of Rangers during the time of lies and law breaking then he should be accountable for whatever went on during that time.I know its an extreme example but ifif Gadaffi /Hussein or any other like that passed over the reigns to someone else, then everything that they done does not get written off. Im fuming and everyday it gets worse.I love Rangers and yet Im ashamed and embarressed by what has happened. Rangers till I die, yes, but remember we were all lied to as much as any business that is owed money to. In fact more...

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06 Apr 2012 09:51:24
Looking at the figures released and the question has to be - how much has whyte taken already from the club?

We were £18m in debt when he took over, we now owe £55m. The liar said we were losing £1m a month. Even if you accept that figure, then eleven months later, the maximum debt should be £29m. Of course the £1m a month should be reduced due to players wage cuts..

The £1m a month loss is for operating costs, which would involve paying HMRC the paye and national insurance contributions. These were not being paid, so the £1m loss should have been less.

Questions have to asked and answers demanded. We had £3m in bank when administrators took over. Where is jelavic sale money? He was sold days before admin.

How can a business that owes £18m suddenly owe £55m in less than a year?
The money must have gone somewhere and I suggest that Monaco is the best bet. What a thoroughly despicable character whyte is, and hope the police feel his collar real soon.

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Dont blame just whyte ! he is just takin the fall for david murray ! before the blue knights take over ! all part of david murrays plan

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Aye and the 2 Celtic Scottish cup ties, the league cup final money, uefa cup run, 2 league games against Celtic all from last season ate not accounted for

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06 Apr 2012 09:39:33
Would like to see the decent thing being done by the fighting fund and pay the small debts to the small businesses, the florist, taxis etc. Decent people caught up in this shambles our once great club has become.

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06 Apr 2012 09:36:37
Rangers fans playing the victims in all of this. It was you who took all the glory, on tax evasion and crippling debt.

The real victims are the 276 people and businesses owed money and the people who would benefit from that money, including Scotland's largest tax scam which would have gone to support the most needy in our society.

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SNORE!! You really are quite sad, how about harping on about the hundreds of company's that shaft the little guy every single day, go bump your gums about the new parliament building that was vastly over budget, go cry to the world about huge company's paying the least amount possible, you really are quite boring.

Canyousaybanana!!

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You clown hows it rangers fans fault they didnt know whats going are u not supposed to celebrate when your team does well.

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06 Apr 2012 09:22:15
Bids do not rely on winning the tax case, if a CVA is agreed and in place and we were to lose the tax case hmrc just get a bigger slice of the pot of money available. A CVA is agreed with the parties involved and voted on and a pot of money is agreed. Wether this money is 5, 10 or 50 million does not matter to the tax case as once agreed the pot of money will not change, just the percentage allocated to each company.

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Thats all very well but hmrc wont let u get a cva that is why most bidders want 2 liqud the club cause u womt get a cva

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06 Apr 2012 09:07:04
D&P cost more than Wayne Rooney! Fact!

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06 Apr 2012 08:53:17
Why are St Mirren using the Home dressing room tomorrow ? Something going on here !

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06 Apr 2012 08:49:51
You owe a face painting company 40 pound?? How the feck could someone not pay 40 pound to a face painting company haha brilliant. Rangerstilljuly bigirishmac

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Haha RangerstillJuly. Brilliant BIM

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They probably paint fake moustaches and the likes on craig whyte to get past the snarling berz!!!!!!!!!

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06 Apr 2012 08:42:29
£70 for flowers and £40 quid for face painting ffs wits next

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Who wur the flowers fur?

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The flowers were for neil lennon they need watered regularly especially after cup finals so lennon was ideal candidate

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06 Apr 2012 07:47:47
Happy Easter fellow Bears

Well, talk about a broadside! (More like a friggin train wreck) I guess we should have seen it coming.

I’m reading everywhere, knee-jerk nonsense utter nonsense, come on lads lets get it right, how can you condemn the wee man in all this, put it like this, a tradesman can only work with the tools they are given! I rest my case. Given some money at the outset to strengthen what we have! and time (time is something we have heaps off, like it or not) the we man will bring through our young lads, you see, we will be better for it. Ally has came through this nightmare, with pride and kept the lads moral and spirits up, look at you lot, see the shi*e being post on the back of not knowing what’s going on, so how do you expect our team to put 100% into it, get a grip……….

As for the rest, SD Murry, Dr Sinning bright and the board of directors come to that, we sing , F**K me these c***s all knew, despicable tw**s. Unscrupulous b’strds.

I live in hope that the worst dose not come to pass, however I fear the worst will unfold today, cant wait for it all to be over. F****n nightmare, truly I am absolutely gutted, never mind lets go forward, what ever happens still my beloved Glasgow Rangers.
Rosehearty True Blue
Still great to be a bear, (Build a bear)! Well I thought is was not bad.

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06 Apr 2012 07:27:15
These figures don't include amounts for preferential,secured creditors etc.This will include claims by Whyte.also any monies due to employees(see entries marked TBC).
these could push total debts nearer to £200m.
D & P statement deems to confirm CW owns floating charge and he's already said he's looking for circa £30m.Any offer from bidders would have to be above this just to pay him,never mind any other creditors.Highly unlikely.
Unfortunately,liquidation now looks inevitable.
The big question is,
Will the fans accept a newco as RFC(we don't know which division we'd be playing in,if we're playing at all)and turn up in great numbers.if not,no RFC is a distinct possibility.

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06 Apr 2012 07:25:55
If rangers do get a cva and exit administration . where will the income come from to service the debts as required by the CVA ? one defaulted payment and its back into administration again and start the whoele sorry process over! doesnt make cents(pun intended)!

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06 Apr 2012 07:16:24
Where are all the experts who claimed we would of been liquidated last night?

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06 Apr 2012 02:11:10
Listen fellow bears

We now have numbers infront of our eyes,blue tinted specs or clear as day,we all had a rough ball part figure on what debt we were in. Me for one was not surprised. But what I will say is that we are in no better or worse off position than yesterday or the last weeks since feb when the sad day of Admin hit us. What I will say is that the three serious bidders would have known before any of us,what financial position the club is in,but still see fit to submit bids for our great club. So settle down enjoy your Easter weekend (on the lash) and the next few weeks will bring us to light on where we go from here. They want to see us die but we won't.Rangers will never die in me or my family ,past,present & future.

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06 Apr 2012 00:43:41
Right folks stop flapping!there saying if were hit with the big tax bill its 134 mill but if we win its 55 mill if the blue knights get in knock another 20 mill of that cause ticketus.have agreed that ,so that's 35 mill!if we can get a cva even at 20p in the £ then were laughing.(slate me all u like but am just trying to prove a point that anyone can fling numbers about!)keep the faith!!rosco

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I reckon I could see that 'IF' from the moon.

GoldCoastBhoy

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06 Apr 2012 00:35:21
It's unbelievable when you look at the debt racked up by Whyte. 26 million to ticketus, 7.7 million just for going into administration, 14 million owed to hmrc etc. That's almost all our debt, not including the big tax case.

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Your forgetting whyte paid off 18million debt to loyds bank

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06 Apr 2012 00:33:38
Ed nothing to do with football mate , just looking to cheer the lads up , BBCiplayer "angry boys" , bt vision comedy, Reno 911 series 1-3... Wee cup of the old herbal , now that's "comedy gold" !

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