Rangers Banter Archive December 06 2011

06 Dec 2011 23:12:43
the SFA are a joke if the punish Aluko because they have over looked a number of incidents so far i.e Stack lashing out, sammarass diving last week and acting out a scene from platoon 2week ago and also the st mirren captain lashing out at wydle at ibrox o connor dive all have gone unpunished and the only one reviewd was oconnor dive? if i was mccoist i would be asking the SFA where they stand in descrimination!
Big Craig WATP

Is there any specefic reason why this is a possible 2 match ban? Like u say divin is a yellow during a match so why is it different now?

G10

What about all the kicks that naselspray got away with before he was injured. Grow up. The SFA are only playing the same game as Rangers give them the info they have requested about Wyhte.

Ian

The SFA are a joke, agreed.

Bougherra, Diouf and McCoist let off after inciting a riot, manhandling a referee. The list goes on.

It looks like he dived, so he should be punished. Hopefully this will put an end to simulation- or at least make players think. It has to be the same rule for everyone though, wee stokes will miss a few games between now and end of season, if that is the case.

If Aluko never dived for the penalty it could have been a totally different game. A draw for dunfermline against any of the old firm is like 3 points. I know you lot are finding it hard to score just now but to blatantly cheat to win games and then complain when the player is banned how low will you lot go.

Ian

Ian you need to get a clue the origanal post and mine were pointing out the fact that the possibke punnishment doesnt fit the crime. How does a in the game punnishment of a yellow card turn to a 2 match ban? Also u cant possibly say the the pars would have went on to get a draw football does not work like that but then again you seem as bright as a black out so you still wont be able to grasp this concept!

G10

G10 turn your light on I said it could have been a different game and a draw is like a win for those smaller teams. The reason the punishment is a 2 match ban is purely retrospective due to the fact that a player gained an advantage from cheating/conning the ref. With this in mind the opposing player was booked for nothing and a yellow card sticks so punishing someone who cheats deserves more than just a yellow card which would have been issed at the time. So read posts properly take a step back and wait 5 mins to digest what you have read and then reply but only when you have fully understood what has been written.

Ian

Would you be saying that if it was another spl/celtic player had done that?

there needs to be consistecey across the board i just dont see why he should get a 2 game ban for what is as said a yellow card offence

to the poster on inciting riots get a grip pal its football was ginger pubes not partly to blame no didnt thinks so take the green titnted specs off both admited at the the time there was alot a tension between the OF

Wullie

Ok my appology ian missed the possibly part, but it still doesnt hide the fact that a yellow is bumped up to a 2 game ban! If its retrospective punishment it should be the same as in the game punishment end of! He can have the points added towards a suspension that to me would be a suitable punishment, otherwise there will be 2 game bans every other week. More so for the old firm as everything they do is magnified by the media!

Wullie I agree with you there is no consistancy however anyone caught cheating should be banned and that goes for Celtic players aswell as any other team. If that was a celtic player getting a retrospective red card you lot would be agreeing with it. Everyone needs to take off the tinted glasses and see that Aluko conned the ref/ cheated so he deserves his ban.

Ian

Appology accepted G10 however I still stand by the fact if someone cheats and it is reviewed then they should get a greater punishment/ban.

Ian

Ok will agrre to disagree ian but i think this will open a can of worms as i dont think that the usual suspects that dive on a regular basis will be able to stop it and this incident wont be the last we see! This is a big if as there has been no descion yet!

G10

06 Dec 2011 21:11:40
Aluko Diving Allegation & the SFA.

So the fast track disciplinary system has decided that Aluko dived against the Pars on Saturday and have offered him a two match ban for the the pleasure. Rangers have rejected this and why not. The award was, in my opinion very soft and have not been able to establish if contact was made or not. However, the SFA's appointed official decided that there was sufficient contact made, to award the penalty. If no contact had been made, and and the referee was aware of the fact, and viewed the incident as simulation, he would have issued a yellow card and the matter would have been closed there and then. No suspension, no inquiry, just a yellow card, end of story. How does this then develop into a n offer of an automatic two match ban which equates to a violent conduct offence. The fast track system in principal seems like a good idea, however, I don't know who makes the decisions on what merits their involvement, or who they are. Diving is rife in all football, (including Scotland), and I can't believe that Aluko, (if he did actually dive, with no contact made), is the only player to have done so this season,l although it is the only one I am aware of that the SFA have chosen to bring up via this process. Was it because it was in the penalty area, or because the penalty was scored, or because Rangers won the game. Jim McIntyre has also been hauled up for suggesting the referee had a nightmare and describing the decision as disgraceful. You can't have it both ways, which one is it. Jesus Chirst, what kind of idiots are running our game.
Sammy

06 Dec 2011 21:00:23
Aluko has recommended Scott Vernon.....I have been impressed by what i have seen of him. What do youz think fellas. {Ed003's Note - You are joking .......? }

Is aluko paying the transfer fee? Ha

I'll prob get tore to shreds but id take foster back when he played he was a solid lookin defender imo

Wullie

Better than Broadfoot anyway

Scoobs

06 Dec 2011 20:12:11
So where does the retrospective punishment end? If a player puts his hand up to claim a corner which he knows full well he didn't deserve, is awarded the corner which results in a goal, will he face punishment days afterwards?
GCUK

You make a really good point, allthough I am against diving every player would do it if the oppertunity appeared

06 Dec 2011 19:50:38
The old firm eh

Always ducking & diving

Lol

Lenny

Ha ha lenny thats a good one mate!

Blue Bear

06 Dec 2011 19:30:45
You elbow someone off the ball, and the ref catches it - Red card. Three game ban.
You elbow someone off the ball, and the ref misses it - Retrospective red card, three game ban.

You kick out at someone, and the ref catches you - Red card. Two game ban.
You kick out at someone, and the ref misses it - Retrospective red card and a two game ban.

You dive, and get caught - Yellow card.
You dive and get away with it - Retrospective two game ban?

Where is the logic?

06 Dec 2011 18:47:31
Just wanted to clear something up. Aluko wasn't fouled and went down looking for a pen because he knew he had lost the ball that is simulation. Samaras was fouled arm high up across the back of his head. It was never a sending off or even a booking but was a clear foul. So rangers fans on trying to compare the 2 are having a laugh. Its more comparible with the o'conner dive earlier in the season so the same punishment should be dished out. As far as I'm aware o'conner got 2 matches hibs appealed and he got away with it. Aluko's got the same rangers will appeal and we'll see what happens.

DD

Samaras is a cheat he was play acting. Rolling about on the ground holding his head em eye em cheek aye his bum cheek. The ICT player never touched him get your green tinted glasses off. The appeal panel said samaras never got touched and was play acting. Once the ICT player got shown the red car samaras got up and got on with the game.
F

..Question..why after O,Connors acrobatic dive was there hardly a mention in the media...now up pops the Aluko incident and the papers the radio and the internet cant stop talking about it...the internet is full of raging celtic fans venting their spleens about what a disgusting cheat Aluko is...strange when every team in the spl has its share of diving cheats Larsson McGeady and Petrov to name but three...short memories some fans

Because it cost Dunfermline at point

06 Dec 2011 18:27:31
I think that it is a complete joke that the SFA have given Aluko a 2 match ban for diving, I will be the 1st to admit it was a dive and it is somthing that players need to stop, but I don't see that happening anytime soon, it is now part and parcel of the modern game thanks to our european counterparts. What is annoying me though is that earlier in the season O'Connor clearly dived to win a penalty for Hibs, the assistant manager even admitted that it was a dive, and what happened when this was investigated? NOTHING! A wee bit of consistency is all that is being asked for, how can O'connor get away with nothing and Aluko get a two match ban. Sort it out SFA because its decisions like this that make you look like a laughing stock.

ah72

It will be overturned on appeal..load of rubbish biased against the gers nothing else,pure spite.........

06 Dec 2011 17:39:08
McGregor

Whittaker Goian Bocanegra Papac

Bartley

Davis McKay
Aluko Wylde

Jelavic

what all you bears think ?

think this may be the best team we can do till jan(if we have the cash) then replace Whittaker as i feel half the goals we conceded so far come from the right side mostly to do with Whittaker not getting back not saying its all down to him but it a big part imo

Alan

McGregor

Whittaker Goian Bocanegra wallace

Davis Edu
Aluko Wylde

Jelavic
lafferty

I think that will b team m8 if wallace fit anyway bud
Big Craig

06 Dec 2011 17:02:55
i have been on a couple of times,to say this is the worst rangers team i have watched in the last 50 year,after the dunfermline game surely you have got to agree with me now, old bob

If you're that "old" old bob you will remember some of the guff we endured in the early 80's and PLG's shambles, i think those teams were worse but this mob we have the now are running them close.

Gerry The Ger.

Old bob you don't sound like a rangers fan because if you were a rangers fan you would say good things about the gers instead of bad things obviously you should state the things you don't like but also praise rangers when it is deserved but you just come out with nonsense i have never heard you say one good thing about rangers and to be honest i don't think your old bob i think your either timalloy or miko that is what i think

campbell

Ffs.a guy comes on with his honest opinion,and because you dont agree with it,he must be a celtic fan at the wind up?

Bob, the late seventies / eighties teams for something like ten years before we won the title was easily ten times worse than this. I don't believe that some of the players are anywhere near the standard we have been used to for the many years I have been a Rangers fan, but they are not the worst. Also, they are still the best team in Scotland, by 4 points and will win the title again this season. cheer up m8, I've been following the Teddy Bears since the early 70's, and I will for as long as I can, once a Ger, always a Ger. AndyPandy63

I dont think we are as bad as you think Bob but agin its your veiw m8 i thought we played some good football the best in a few weeks and once wallace and papac get fit i think we will start scoring goals again as big jelavic will have the service he craves
Big Craig

Well aye a do think it is a celtic fan at the wind up i do have a reason for thinking that he come on here every couple of weeks to say onlys bad things about rangers he has never said one good thing if he actually said anything good about rangers but still still say what he didn't like that is fine but saying nothing good about rangers just puts doubts in to my head that he is not a rangers fan but celtic fan surely he must have something good to say

campbell

Has he had anything good to say about rangers since the old firm game mate?probably not too much

Campbell your the sort of fan Mr whyte loves he can full team way trash and you would still back it, have you never heard of freedom if speech, would you prefer fans to come on and talk rubbish, ortiz, mckay and edu would be a great midfield, does that make me real gers fan cause I'm talking rubbish but sounds good

Your trying hard old bob but still aint worse than Greigs crew.....les

Well a never said Ortiz McKay and edu were good players but were 4 points clear at the top of the table a thought people would have been happy about that yes we have dropped points but f*** sake there is some mishreble people on here better then being 4 points behind back the team up a bit more and a don't think am an any better supporter then anybody else on here am just the same as anybody else want my team to do well which to be honest am quite happy being 4 points clear considering how much we spent very little yes i would like to see more quality in the team like everybody but the tax case needs to obviousley be sorted

Campbell

We are what we are and what we are is a Rangers team sitting top of the league. Fair enough there have been far better players at ibrox but in my opinion there have been worse too. I don't think PLGs side would have been anywhere near the top of this league never mind pushing for 4IAR. Gie the boys a break, they need our support to push them on to another title.

Baybear

06 Dec 2011 16:50:20
Should ally admit he got it wrong and give ortiz a free transfer the guy is garbage

06 Dec 2011 15:37:17
Will get slaughtered for this but i am only giving my opinion and the truth as i see it. The only half decent players we have at Ibrox are Jelavic, Davis, Shagger, Goian, Bocanegra, Naismith and Papac. We also have a few guys with the potential to get better, ie Wylde, Perry, Lafferty, Wallace, Bendikson, Aluko. All the rest are s**te, ie Edu, Broadfoot, McCulloch, Whittaker, Healy, Ortiz, Bedoya, McKay. These are players who should be nowhere near Ibrox. I've seen better players playing for pub teams. Before anyone give it the old you're not a real supporter for saying some of our players are rotten and back anyone who plays for the team. I have been a season ticket holder for nearly 30 years and will always back Rangers but that doesn't alter the fact that these guys are rank rotten and the sooner we get rid the better.

Gerry The Ger

Allys signings have been rubbish I feel ortiz is the worst players to dawn a gers shirt and that says a lot, if we lose davis and jelavic in Jan we are finished.

And before any Tic fan comes on here Mistakeovic, Loovens, Rogne, Mulgrew, Samaras, El Khaddouri, Ki, Juarez, Brown etc are equally as bad.

Gerry The Ger.

I don't think its Ally's fault mate. As the old saying goes you can only pi55 with the c*ck you've got, if you're given very limited funds you can usually only sign players of very limited ability. He still managed to pluck a couple of gems in Goian and Boca.

Gerry The Ger.

Unfair on Edu and Whittaker in my opinion. Whittaker has a lot of natural footballing ability and Edu works hard in the middle of the park, breaking up play, with confidence he could be a pretty good player.

GovanFR

You're entitled to you opinion GovanFR. For me though Whittaker is a bombscare defensively, gets caught out of position time and time again and has really went off the boil going forward as well. Edu maybe works hard but in my opinion he's been there 3 years and shown no improvement, if anything he's got worse. He's had enough time to sort himself out, time to go.

Gerry The Ger

Edu had played 40 out the last 41 games the only game he didn't play was our best performance away at motherwell in which Steve Davis had his best game enough said really, i feel edu is the problem Davis doesn't trust him enough to play his true game.

My team if everyone is fit

Mcshagger,
Whittker, Boca, goian, papac
Aluko, Ness, bartley, Davis, wlyde
Jelavic

To the unnamed poster. Decent team mate, stick a tag on the end of your posts because it is one of only a handful of decent line ups i have seen posted on here. I'd have Bartley sitting in front of that back four and Davis and Ness in the centre.

Gerry The Ger.

Mastakeovic lool

Gerry you make a fair point about Edu not improving, I don't think he has. I actually like Whittaker, I know many don't but there is something about him, defensively I accept he is terrible, but as far as the both of them go I think they are stick on to start each game because we don't have better. If Ness was fit I would play him deep lying in midfield and allow Davis to go forward but he isn't and doesn't look as though he will play many games.
I hope I'm wrong about Ness but he certainly seems to have a lot of injury problems.

GovanFR

GovanFR i agree Whittaker has something about him going forward, i dunno who it was decided he was a RB though, everytime i see someone running at him on the wing i s**te myself. As for Ness he looks a great prospect, i only hope his career isn't cut short and we can find someone who will be able to sort his medical problems out.

Gerry The Ger

06 Dec 2011 14:28:20
My team for Sat.

Mcshagger,
Broadfoot, Perry, goian, Whittker,
Mckay, edu, mcculloch, bartley, wylde,
Jelavic

Broadfoot again. Hopefully Papac is fit if not why not McMillan who is ready to leave and no wonder. Blue4ever

Aye thats a cracking side, McKays s**te and 3 defensive midfielders who are rotten with the exception of Bartley and one up front. Glad your no the manager.

There was many a time Walter smith played 3 defensive midfielders

I think mc Kay should be given a few more games before people can judging him.o

06 Dec 2011 11:17:49
Why do so many Rangers fans continually link us with top players in the Championship and League 1. There are constant posts about us wanting players like Billy Sharp, Robert Snodgrass, Adam Lallana, Jordan Rhodes etc.

The only place these players are interested in is a move to the Premiership. Why would they be interested in coming to Rangers.

So to the fans who post these comments stop posting such utter nonsense!

I agree that guys like lallana, rhodes and snodgrass are destined for the premiership, but i don't think Billy Sharp is an unrealistic signing. Rangers would struggle to sign a top 6 championship player, but guys like sharp, Charlie Austin, Taylor-Fletcher, Lewis McGeugan are all realistic targets imo.
J1985

06 Dec 2011 08:52:52
Not a rumour, more an opinion, the boy sharp from Doncaster would be a title winning signing, he brings you goals, assists and also a great work rate, him a jelavic would be a frightning partnership and would leave spl defences shaking in their boots.

06 Dec 2011 01:13:53
All this talk regarding Aluko's diving, and the dims shouting about disciplinaey action, does that mean they are also in support of the SFA taking retrspective action regarding laffertys disallowed goal in the first old firm game? Because if the titles as close this season as it has been in previous seasons, then goal difference may count, and thats a two goal swing in favour of the darkside.

But seriously, with the amount of decisions celtic get in their favour, they can hardly complain, as until recently, they were only used to playing against ten men, so stop moaning, becuase if you tally up the decisions for and against you this season, i think you'll find your still in credit.

gersfan

That guy that was talking red neck rankers fans has just had his point proved here! Nice to see a true supporter of his club that isn't spouting BS and cares about his manky club LMAO

Taking action, Samarass got away with getting the Caley player sent off, it was cancelled out yet he got off with his pathetic acting. Blue4ever

05 Dec 2011 23:59:28
tbh with everyone a wouldnt mind if we sold jelavic 8 million would do anyday and could get atleast 2 or three players with that would be good business as 4 davis a would drop him for next weekends game hes done nothin all season just my opinion so no rants aimed at me 4iar

Hamilton Lad

Yeah davis has been off form but so has everyone else we can't afford to drop him no one good enough to take his place *ksd*

True mate bit might do him good droppin himfor a couple of games a would play ortiz through the middle he may be useless as a winger but has an eye for a good pass

Davis has been a bit off-form- the rest of them are always dross.

Uz two know nothing about fball drop one of our best players when edu has been pish for a year year yet never gets dropped. O

Best player last year not so much this year a would say edu is playin better