Rangers Banter Archive December 06 2012

 

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06 Dec 2012 22:55:39
What's going to happen the next time Rangers play against an SPL team? Will that be boycotted as well? Don't get me wrong I do agree with the boycott for this match but not sure it's the answer longterm. Boycott will just follow boycott and the resentment will just get worse and worse. Like it or not but eventually all clubs will have to work together for the good of the game and personal agendas and vendettas must become a thing of the past

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Agreed poster but a response is necessary, even if it's only once and move on. Amazes me the amount of Gers on here talking about moving on for the good of the game, this despite all the mud slung at us over the last year. Don't get me wrong, I applaud it but can you imagine fans of any other team doing the same?
Congrats to the whole Gers family for showing real integrity and not sullying the concept by using it as an excuse for bigotry.

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I think that boycotts are a last resort but in the case of dundee utd. I think it is justified.
The dislike between the clubs has been building for years and their immediate stance against us on our status as a club spoke volumes.
Over the years they have ripped us off, with gate money, transfer fees etc., but the final straw was that after our removal from the spl they, with the other spl clubs, then threatened our expulsion from scottish football if we did not agree to a tv deal incorporating our games. If this is not double standards I do not know what is.
Also, individual Rangers supporters will go to tannadice and good luck to them and I'm sure that their numbers will be greater than the pathetic number of utd. fans that used to visit Ibrox. I wonder if the utd chairman, on those occasions, approached the authorities to reduce their cut of the gate money?

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Us the fans will never know what was said in the meetings in the summer. Were all presuming we know it all. I imagine there was a serious fallout for ally and Walter to back this decision.

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06 Dec 2012 22:22:56
celtic fan in peace who thinks you are correct in this stance although it was good to see richard gough a real gentleman state he would want the fans to support the club and the players.

Fans should have attended but could have made their feelings known by banners and songs in organised protest

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Celtic fans threatened to boycott away grounds of clubs who votes rangers into the spl this season mate. So their claims of a boycott being disgusting are hypocritical to say the least.

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@1 Man said he think's you are right,get off your high horse,I agree with Gough.
Tam

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@1 yeah that is true but put the boot on the other shoe (which from what I've read over the past 6 months hardly anyone on here does) if Celtic got admin then liquidation would rangers let us just walk into the spl with a slap on the wrist ? And if rangers got back into the spl Scot free then hearts would do the same thing the next day say they need to be liquidated but would they get a free pass into the spl ? Then what would other teams do just build up debt then put it down the tubes and start a fresh 2 years later ?

The bar has been set - if your go bust you start from the bottom and work your way back up.money talks hence why if rangers (now) were in the spl teams would be better off than they are just now money wise.however if rangers got granted back into the spl and on the other hand hearts went admin/liquidated and they never got into the spl they had to start from div 3 would it be one rule for the big team one for the wee teams ?

Lenny

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Lenny, most of the rangers fans on here would agree with you - we start at the bottom again, not favouritism. I totally agree with you, SFL3 was the proper way forward.

Our boycott has more to do with the apparent vehemence that some SPL clubs fans went out of their way to attack us, rather than our SPL status (IMHO). They were the first ones to threaten the use of boycotts - not us, yet when our fans decide to use their opposing fans tactics - WE ARE THE BAD GUYS.

Now that CG has stated "All gate receipts will go to charity", who will disagree with that sentiment? Charlie boy has played a blinder, me thinks! bigbaz

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Good post baz sometimes on here you put a fair point up and all we get it timmy this timmy that

Listened to a caller on the phone in he said he believes the rangers fans will boycott Aberdeen Dundee utd and I think hearts? As they were the first in the que to go public about leaving rangers out.its no secret every club had to ask their own fans what they thought and Celtic fans did say vote them in and at will boycott your ground so really it a lose lose for everyone else bar rangers and Celtic then the fans all made the mistake we will sell out every home game if rangers aren't in it,tbh this fell flat on its face before it even started.do major mistake there.

I think green is played a blinder and then again not.hes really playing into the rangers fans hands if you asked him to do jumping jacks he would he just wants the fans on his side which then brings in money.the charity money .... Good cause yeah but can't see him not putting something on in ibrox or something to at least help pay the wages that week.

Even as a Celtic supporter I'm very suspicious of green,(I really shouldn't I know lol) but I think he's upto 2 things 1- make his money and go done the dirty work and move on 2- gets attached to rangers see what celtics like in CL and sees how much money were due 'on paper' 23+million and again sign the youngsters from div 1/2 ie players like watt and Donnelly of airdrie not works class but certainly get you places and make profit on sell ons

That's the bigger picture maybe 3/4 years away but after Murray then whyte saga I wouldn't jump on the band wagon of green is the next best thing...

Lenny

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@5. Likewise Lenny, you made some good points - I hope this is the last boycott we have to make, (boycotts are not for me and this should be the last one). We have MADE our point.

Most Rangers fans are not naive with regard to CG and his reasons for backing the fans. He wants us on his side, we're his customers and it's unwise to bite the hand that feeds you. Only time will tell what CG's motives are, but i will give him that time to prove himself. Either of your points about CG could well be right, we don't know at this moment in time.

I've always been open to younger players getting their chance and am really pleased the youngsters are now getting game time. Ok they are not the next gazza, laudrup or Larsson - but they are the team now and we have to back them. Enjoy your run in the CL, your team certainly earned it. bigbaz

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06 Dec 2012 20:19:29
Ed don't know you will post this, but why are so many Celtic fans interested in us not taking tickets for dundee utd game? What's it got to do with them? {The Ed039's Note - Its controversial, surely you cant deny that? Therefore its a talking point)

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Some of them can't help themselves, if it is to do with Rangers, they automatically think that they have a right to comment on it. That's life i'm afraid, they miss us more than they will ever admit. bigbaz

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Cause this both miss and love us, as they say "we just cant get enough"

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Google the words ....banter have a read then google what a forum is ?

Might learn a think or too I honestly feel sorry for the eds on some of these sites

I miss rangers as I'm sure most fans do,one team plays the early kick off and draw then the pressure is on the other team to win the 3pm kick off plus the old firm games however I don't miss the carry on after the games from both sides

Lenny

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I agree its a talking point but Celtic fans seem to be more worried about it more than rangers or dundee utd fans, that concerns me as its nothing to do with their team.

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@4 We are worried you boycott us NOT
Tam

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Bigbaz so you have never been on the Celtic banter page then ?.
Tam

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@6. Yes, Tam - was on congratulating your team on their excellent result, I felt it was the right thing to do, your team earned it. I don't go there to comment on every item that appears on your pages though, unlike some of your fans do on here. Trust me, i will not be over there again unless you win the Champions League Trophy. Regards bigbaz.

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@6. Well, a couple of your fans were on here, seeming a bit peeved that no-one from here had been over to the celtic pages and posted congrats to your team after them qualifying for the last 16 of the CL. So i obliged - I wanted to, as it was a great accomplishment to qualify with Barcelona from your group. bigbaz

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@7 Hope to hear from you soon bigbaz, thank's for the congrat's, all I was pointing out was it's a banter page, anyone can come onto them.
Tam

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No probs tam, your welcome here anytime. bigbaz

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@9. ............and we'll continue to agree/disagree. Lol x bigbaz

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06 Dec 2012 20:19:22
Ed 039 Don't know if you'll post this or not but is the ticket scenario with Dundee United a consequence of
-the abandoned cup match 3 years ago
-the comments and stance of DUFC chairman throughout the summer
-some fans still calling DUFC the Dundee Hibs
-a combination of the above
I've seen them used as justification with some fans more entrenched than others but didn't think it was so complex,
I do think it is a great gesture to give the gate share to charity but don't understand why it got to this stage. For those who wish me to jog on. get back to the darkside ,HATER, FACT, etc ,I genuinely don't understand the heat in the situation and my Rangers supporting,ST holding daughter is pretty clueless on the subject-she just goes to watch football,

Paddy Malarkey {The Ed039's Note - I think it is a combination of all of the above, but mostly the abandoned game and the chairman)

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06 Dec 2012 17:20:58
Anyone Know when Hemmings is back? I believe he's better than Kyle or Sandazza, and has plenty of potential.. LeJonWATP {The Ed039's Note - Plenty of potential, big bruiser of a boy as well. He should be back in light training very soon, if not already. The back end of the new year he should be getting a push if he suffers no set backs, but at 21 and had 3 serious knee injuries already, I dont know what to expect of him)

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Just to confirm he is now back in training but nobody wants to rush him back. {The Ed039's Note - Thanks for the info)

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Hemmings is awful!

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06 Dec 2012 12:33:24
Can I say thank you to the few TRFC
(now international lol) fans who posted
well done to Celtic for reaching last 16.
This result, helps all Scottish teams with
a better coefficient. All SPL get a bonus
of £235,000 each, which in these hard
times is welcome. It also means the
English media cannot laugh at Scottish
teams in europe, especially after the
multi millionares Chelsea and City were
knocked out.
I now await your ED039 saying well done
to Celtic or is that to much to ask?
Timalloy {The Ed039's Note - No its not too much to ask, its a great achievement from that particular group. Dont like the way you asked it right enough but well done)

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Well done to Celtics players and management, the average fan like you Tim is not deserving of our praise.

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06 Dec 2012 19:14:30
ED039 well done for being man enough to congratulate Celtic.
You know me, tact is not my middle name, just had not seen any post from you previously saying well done.
What do you think of Green's charity idea (will it also
include the tv money?)
Outwith Ibrox most fans see it as a cynical move.
Also can you honestly see your fans boycotting
Celtic Park if drawn there? Timalloy {The Ed039's Note - No chance would any Celtic game be boycotted, not a snowballs chance in hell. As for not congratulated, your post was the first one I had edited since the final score last night thats why there was nothing. As for the charity move, Charlie would keep the money in a heartbeat, make no doubt about it, but he has got to do something and I think he maybe thought he would look like the knight in shining armour. There will be fans at the game, but I dont think that many TBH. The TV money will go straight to the club as well)

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As a kid I was brought up to respect all. Ichoose to support Rangers it was not forced upon me. My favour and in my opiite player is wee Jinky and I still believe one of the worlds bests. What I cant stand is some people forcing me or any body else to say congratulations or any other form of praise. Tell you what mate you come back on here and tell me how fantastic the fans of Glasgow Rangers have been in buyin 39000 season tickets and showing the other 10000 fans that have also shown there dedication to there team. That sticks in your throat and yo...u know it. Oh and by the way I was a guest at a very enjoyable evening last night at Celtic park. . {The Ed039's Note - Just to be clear, I wasnt forced into saying anything I didnt want about the Champions League, it was a fantastic achievement and I mean that)

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Lads can I just point something out. During the SPL vote regarding Rangers Mr Dermot Desmond was guarded and elequint is his reply regarding Rangers. He also stated he will be glad to to see us back on top flight football. It was as far as I can see and hear was the wee directors who were the most spiteful.

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06 Dec 2012 17:05:57
Dundee United Supporters Response reads: ""It's sad that some parties choose to refer to past alleged indiscretions against their club as an excuse to not attend the match."

If only their club and chairman would admit to these indiscretions, maybe relations would not be as bad as they are!

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06 Dec 2012 15:39:10
CG Has issued the following statement about the Dundee Utd cup game ticket money.
"The club was contacted by Dundee United requesting us to waive our rights to the share of the gate under cup competition rule 46(c), this was declined.

"It has been decided by the board that any proceeds from gate receipts due to the club will be donated to the Prince and Princess of Wales Hospice Brick by Brick Appeal and Erskine charities via the Rangers Charity Foundation."

nice one CG DU dont get all the money and rangers help a good cause..

We are not the bad guys WATP

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That is most acceptable, at least we cannot be accused of keeping the gate receipts. Will be donated to a very worthy charity, one that my father was involved in (through his work) being an ex soldier himself. bigbaz

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CG is as slippery as a snake, and I like that in him. C'mon hoopy, fill that stadium. Its for charity! Maybe DUtd could pledge their part, after costs of course... CheltBlue

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I'm sure SFA will fine Rangers three times the loss to Dun Utd when the disciplinary committee sit in judgement of this one.
With the money given to charity, well promised by CG for all that's worth, it'll cost silly Greenie dearly. {The Ed039's Note - There will be nothing to discipline about not taking the tickets, there is no obligation, it will be his comments that get him into trouble)

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@3. This a new punishment being made up that you've got wind of?? Fine will be 3 x the loss to DU, think this is just wishful thinking on your part. bigbaz {The Ed039's Note - Rules being made up as we go along again I think)

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Surely the only obligation is to send a team to play the game !!
even the Rangers cannot guarantee ticket sales.

in a normal season 3rd Div sides would be praying for Rangers or Celtic in a cup tie for a big payday

never thought I'd see the day an spl side (or 2) would hope a 3rd div club would be drawn against them for same reason ;-)

Bil72

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06 Dec 2012 15:13:56
Charles Green saying he was contacted by Dundee United about forgoing their share of gate money

He said no and has announced any money they do get will be donated to the prince and princess of whales hospice and Erskine home, well done charles green !!

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A big thank u charlie from all whale,s

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@2. Especially the Blue ones. bigbaz

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@bigbaz and the humpback whale.s

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06 Dec 2012 14:43:07
Well done to Rangers and Charles Green all monies due to Rangers from their cup tie with D/United to be given to charity.

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Great bit of PR, charlie boy.

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Charity?What about all those you were left with unpaid debts due to the fiasco at Ibrox.Perhaps charity should begin nearer home. {The Ed039's Note - And what has that got to do with Charles Green??)

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@2 Ed,These were Rangers debts and Rangers is still my club.Pay this 'extra' money to those we owe.It may only be a tiny gesture but I believe it would take away some of the shame that some of us still feel.Maybe just the way I was brought up but I was told to pay any debt that was owed.It pains me what happened and Green could have gained more respect for himself and the club if money was paid to debtors

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Neither has what happened with oldco in 2009. the rangers are a new company who need to build bridges,not continue past grudges ! dd

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ED's right you are now THE RANGERS debt nothing to do with you. Face the reality.
Tam

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Has anyone here read a report on how many of these small businesses have been contacted and paid out of the pockets of concerned Gers fans.

No, me neither.

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@6 Rangers fans have always acknowledged that what happened wasn't right in terms of Oldco's creditors but their is due process involved through the courts and they will receive some recompense, however minimal. It isn't nice or right but it happens almost every day in life - it is called capitalism in action.

However, it is non-Rangers fans such as yourself who have kicked up the biggest stink about this, decrying it as unethical, morally repugnant, etc (which it is - you will get no argument from me there). If they genuinely cared that much about them receiving full payment, to turn your point on its head, how come I haven't heard about or read a report on "how many of these small businesses have been contacted and paid out of the pockets of concerned" football fans, no matter which team they support? There certainly appears to be plenty spare cash going around if supporters can buy tickets for games their team isn't even playing in, can make false pledges to a share issue, can spend money making zombie banners, support the SPL and SFA's stance in withholding money due to them, etc. The priorities and true concern for these creditors receiving payment is made pretty clear from non Rangers fans every day - it is just used as another reason to have a good kick at supporters who have paid good money into the club themselves and can't defend the actions of the previous regime because it is simply indefensible, nothing more. Stop feigning concern about the creditors, grow up and stop talking the proverbial. Otherwise post a copy of a receipt showing us how much you have paid into the pot and I will duly apologise for giving it to you tight.

Brian

p.s. anyone who thinks that I would genuinely expect any fan to pay these creditors out of their own money is living in cloud cuckoo land alongside number 6. We live in a secular, individualistic society unfortunately and we tend to look after ourselves first. I was merely highlighting how stupid and petty their post was.

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06 Dec 2012 11:45:52
Not really a rumour, more a question. I had heard that if a club goes bust then it is ejected from the SPL under SPL rules, however, if the club goes bust due to criminal activity then this does not apply. If, as is surely the case, Craig Whyte's missapropriation of funds was illegal, there could be a major dispute ahead. Don't know the SPL rules on this so it might be flannel.
It used to be all about football

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There is no evidance that Craig whyte took any funds out of Oldco. But even if he did he may well have been entitled to do so. Afterall Murry wa sentitled to take £6million in interest fe e loaans .

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That's how I read it. CW did nothing criminal as far as we know. Unfortunately detestable and criminal are not the samee thing.

I presume it means if someone was stealing from the club, not if the club itself was criminal (e.g. involved in bribary).

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He certainly broke company law in using ticketus money to buy us, that comes with a max two years in the pokey.

Don't know if breaking company law is a criminal offence but would imagine it is.

It is astonishing that Whyte can get away with his part.

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@3 I'm not a lawyer, but I don't believe whyte broke any laws by using ticketus to finance his purchase of rangers, the glazers bought Man U with debt. {The Ed039's Note - Its not illegal, but it is the lies that followed it that has caused the problems, he said he was self financing when he wasnt, that is where the big problem is)

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Re 4) Ed, Murray bought rangers on a £6m loan against the club. Both Murray and Charles Green have lied. Charles Greens lies pale Whytes to insignificance..... Looks like you're just being choosy with your liars. {The Ed039's Note - If you think that Charles Greens fibs pale into insignificance to Whytes then I would like to know what planet you live on)

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The rules are very clear. You are not allowed to buy a company or invest in a company using the said company's money. The season ticket money belonged to the club,he used it to fund his takeover by selling the rights off to Ticketus who paid him cash up front. Remember he also sold off te Arsenal shares belonging to the club. What happened to that and the Ticketus money? CW is a person so lets have no more talk about him doing nohing wrong.
P.O.B.

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@6 your spot on mate. What did happen to the money from the Arsenal shares and the rest of the ticketus money? Hopefully in the fullness of time the truth will come out and CW will be prosecuted however I doubt it very much

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06 Dec 2012 11:26:48
To the halfwit who dismissed my assertion the other day that Celtic Football Club (always have been; always will) have made £24M from the CL this season:-

Celtic have made nearly 30 million euros in guaranteed revenue from UEFA for their participation in the Champions League this season.

Neil Lennon's side have accumulated €28.7m (£23.3m) through a combination of UEFA base payments, performance related bonuses and TV money.

Celtic went into the group stages having already been guaranteed €8.6m from UEFA for their participation, as well as €2.1m for taking part in the play-offs.

€12m is also picked up as part of the market pool, the payments made to clubs from TV revenue.

A further €3.5m was then made in performance bonuses, having won three and drawn one of their six group matches against Barcelona, Benfica and Spartak Moscow.

Having qualified for the last 16, an automatic, additional payment of €3.5m is triggered.

Should the SPL champions progress even further in the competition, they would pick up an additional €3.9m for playing in the quarter finals, and €4.9m on top of that for being in the semis.

Participation in the final at Wembley guarantees a UEFA bonus payment of €10.5m for the tournament winners, and €6.5m for the runners-up.

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Incidentally , they've also made £6.3M from ticket sales already (3 sell outs at dear old paradise) and look forward to atleast another full house, £1.7M !

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I'm so happy for you but is that not a post for a celtic forum? Last time I checked this was a rangers forum

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You may have missed it but this site is about Rangers, I think your looking for the site which is green at the top not the blue one.

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Plus 2 X 51,000 attendances in the qualifiers

G93

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Big Desmond will be having some of that dosh back.
ah ha ha ha ha you've listed the prize money for being in the final, he he he.

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@5 Celtic do have a pedigree in this competition, in actual fact it was trying to match Celtics European success that fatally wounded your old club!

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Minus 2 x games - you lost those, you didn't win all 6 games. bigbaz

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@2&3: did you read the first line of the OP?

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@ 7 the article that he copied states the amount was for winning 3 and drawing 1 so that has taken into account the 2 lost games

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06 Dec 2012 14:35:59
@7: OP clearly states we won 3 and drew 1, doesn't say we won all 6

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@9. Ok was not sure if they had been included. bigbaz

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Take about 5 million off for players bonuses, costs etc, and shareholders will get their share, might be 18 millon but celtics finance team won't see anything like this, 18 millon won't be anywhere near the net profit.

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06 Dec 2012 10:36:57
So Samaras dives an costs another team a few million pounds.....sporting integrity alive and well I see lol.

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Wind yer neck in son , hehe

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Haha a rangers supporter spouting integrity lol I keep forgetting rangers players never dived pmsl

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@2, a celtic fan ridiculing a Rangers fan for talking about integrity.....to be fair we laughed at your lot's sanctimonious rantings about integrity and justice for 20 years...but as ever with you bhoyze, it's never an issue if it goes for you, is it?

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Aye,@OP that sort of decision given against Celtic would pass into Jorge Cadete offside goal legendary status, and would fester in the bhoys psyche for decades...Spartak were poor, We would give them a game,Benfica were a tidy team(4 points from Celtic), nothing more, but beating Barca was exceptional, can't deny it...Playing likes of Borussia or even Malaga will be a true test for the Kerrydale Catalans.

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Last years a Celtic player was sent off for a minimal touch on one of the rangers player it was accepted without dispute then yet when Samaras is clearly shoved in the penalty box it's a dive it may have been a soft penalty but the rules state it was a penalty whether he went down or not, accept it and give credit where it's due. For the sake of your club stop this bitterness and Hately is a complete NUMPTY.

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@5. Samaras has a history of going down too easy, and for your last point about stopping the bitterness - couldn't agree more with you, maybe you should get some of your fellow fans to follow suit. Great achievement for your team getting into the last 16, certainly raised a few eyebrows, especially down south.

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Just keep betting on the other team. Its good taking it. There were plenty on here a few months ago spouting about how they were going to bet on celtic getting whacked. Lovely jubbly. As for your
3rd div fiasco, made loads on that too. I said id come back to see how the bets went. So, i'm sitting very comfortably,
Lets here it then.

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06 dec 2012 10:21:37
the arabtrust and dundee united supporters trust made a statement asking the sfa to act stongly, in particular by stating that "the normal competion rules" in respect of an equal split of gate money do not apply in this case and that all revenues be retained by dundee utd !!, you honestly cant make this stuff up, and they wonder why rangers are taking a stance against their club, should also answer the questions to rangers fans who still wanted to go and give their money to thompson & dundee utd, their attitude towards us has not changed !!

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Totally agree with Arabs fan! Why act now? The incident which "supposedly" sparked this "boycott" happened two seasons ago! Why act now? This is all out of spite and truly shows you all up as total hypocrits!
Dundee utd selling tickets adult £1 and kids and pensioners 50p! That would be truly magic!!!

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Why should The Rangers get any of the TV money, a boycott is a boycott. That's like a vegetarian that eats chicken, you just can't take them seriously. Now with Celtic earning EVERY SPL club £235k that should offset any losses since Rangers demise. Who mentioned Scottish football's armageddon?

This great wee country of ours, is proving once again that we don't need or want your dead club or your wee diddy team.

They Died Chasing Lions.

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I don't know why Dundee utd club/fans are getting so upset can't they just organise something like say a sell-out Saturday haha.

Blueice

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@1. Utter rubbish, the incident that sparked this goes back to other SPL fans dictating policy to their chairmen about Rangers inclusion within the SPL. Some fans still have an axe to grind with Thompson after the debacle of the game (or no game) at Tannadump. It's alright for you to threaten boycotts but we're not allowed to do it. All i remember was every other clubs fans attacking us, using the boycott as a form of Sporting Integrity. bigbaz

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@2. Those are the rules regarding TV money, or would you like to change them 'ad hock' now? Remember without us, the TV deal forced on us by blackmail, would be dead in the water as we know it. Our wee diddy team as you put, is a bigger attraction to the TVCongrats on your teams achievement getting to the last 16, but go and spout your p*sh there. bigbaz

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(Whoops, hit the wrong button before i'd finished typing). Meant to say that the TV companies are more interested in our wee diddy team than yours in the SPL. Viewing figures don't lie. bigbaz

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@6: but that doesn't mean they're more interested. Just because you state something it doesn't mean it's true.

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@7. As i said, viewing figures don't lie. If it didn't mean much to the SPL/SFA, then why use the TV rights as a form of blackmail. bigbaz

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06 Dec 2012 10:05:09
The people that come on here and slate others for wanting to peacefully protest
( boycott )should wind there neck in , some of them are already boycotting their own clubs HOME games because they cant fly foriegn flags in their own ground , other SPL clubs supporters said they would boycott Ibrox if their chairmen voted Rangers into SPL.
I will be personally boycotting the Next Elgin away match as well because their directors knowingly sold extra tickets for the postponed match that could have had a dangerous outcome if allowed to go ahead. Why criminal case against them has not been brought forward is beyond me.

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Get your facts right a certain section of the Big Glasgow team Celtic are staging a protest mainly against heavy handed Policing.

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It's nothing to do with heavy handed policing. The Gangreen Brigade think they are a law amongst themselves and are always bubbling on about how they are being "victimised"!

TTG

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The people that think because they put the word FACT in their post think they are correct. Wrong. The police stopped fan's in a certain area acting unlawfully and displaying banned banners and flags. Sit down shut up.

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OP was that a bit tongue in cheek, your going to boycott the next Elgin game because they tried to make a bit extra cash,that's nothing to your old club's misdemeanor's to save cash.
Tam

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Im thinking more of putting peoples lives in danger. trying to squeeze more supporters into an area than the Police risk assesment allowed is dangerous, also would the director have declared the extra income. My club is taking its medicine whilst others are still feeding illegally of them. Sit down shut up.

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06 Dec 2012 08:07:58
Question for all you Bears.

How does CG get the valuation of £50 million.

1. New company with no financial history.
2. Bought recently for £5.4 million how can the value increase 10 fold in 6 months when playing in the lowest league in Scotland.
3. Very little income and high expendidture.
4. ebt case not finalised and may still come back to haunt you.
5. Liquidation still to be completed and assets could be taken back with this new over inflated valuation.

Now I am no expert but these just seem to be a few questions that I would be asking before I paid anything into CG's pension fund.

Ian

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It's plainly obvious that your no expert, since your mixing up yet again different companies i.e. old company and new company , value is based on what institutions are willing to pay etc, very little income you say and how have you worked that out ? Since you state they have high expenditure again just grasping ill based assumptions out of the air .ebt is to do with old company something that has been explained over and over again,and as for your other points , actual research into the matter would have informed you instead of the nonsense you've compiled.

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@1 you're quite right he is a bit mixed up the big tax case will have no real bearing on Newco (although dual contracts might). The basic point that only a lunatic would put money into Newco at this point stands.

Why do you need the money
What is the money for.
What is Newco's current financial status
What assets are owned by Newco.


Just some of the questions I would want answered before stumping up anything. I find it hard to believe that £17million is already pledged although I have seen it reported by respectable finacial journals.

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Simple. The new money is used to buy more assets (players) and provide working capital, of which there must be almost none apart from the gate money. Like Dragons' Den really.

The resulting company should hopefully be worth more than £50m should shareholders decide to sell it.

One of those shareholders is Mr Green, who will have something like 8% of the company into which he invested nothing. Welcome to the world of venture capitalism.

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Well you cant buy players at the moment. So that means that you want it for "Working capital" or in other words to meet running costs. In effect you are saying that Newco need this money to survive this season, the coming season should be more profitable when you are back in the SPL and in Europe.

That assumption might be right, but last time Olcco were in both the SPL and Europe the club made a substatial trading loss that pulled the club under. And you will only be in the SPL or Europe in 3 years time.

Further more I nlw see some talk that this share issue is in the holding company. This could well mean the actual assets are held else where. That would make it possible for the holding company to be liquidated with no penalty for the club. I would find that alarming if I was thinking about investing.

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06 Dec 2012 07:44:17
I think it will be interesting to see how much Dun Utd charge their own fans for the cup tie.

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Who cares how much they charge! and by the way rangers have to agree if they want to reduce the price of tickets

it will cost me 9 dollars on RTV and thats all i care about

JG

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Will it matter rules state gers still entitled to around 40% of gate receipts after all it is in the rules, it can't be changed on a whim can it ?

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@2 I hope it can be changed! But I hope DU charge a pound!

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@1 Will Rangers have a say in the price of the ticket's, if they are not prepared to take their allocation ?
Tam

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@4 - yes it is in the sfa rules

JG

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06 Dec 2012 07:21:31
I would jst like to say that evry1 that's on this sight and are sayin all this bad sh** about cg are tottally out of order the man stepd up when we needed him and is stickin his neck out for the club dundee utd wher absolutely out of order last season like a few other team I jst wanted to say that I'll stick by the club no matter what happens I'm not going to tannadice to feed my money to the but ill always support my old red white and blue WATP

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Green "stepped up" to make money not to save Rangers which he failed to do.

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Green looks like he's doing all the right things, though. If he's still around in 3 years and Rangers are tilting for the SPL (or whatever it's called by then), it would be a job well done.

That's when to judge him.

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06 Dec 2012 01:27:06
I think it we should be magnanimous enough, and indeed it would be disrespectful, if we did not express our best wishes and congratulations to Celtic FC in qualifying for the last 16 of the Champion's League. It is a great achievement for a Scottish club to do so and I hope that we can all be civil enough to pass on our respect and kudos to our greatest rivals for this feat. Please don't sully the gesture by petty revelry or jealousy, which would only reflect back on us. (Ed. I would hope you concur)

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06 Dec 2012 03:29:17
I would like to thank the rangers fans for your congratulations god bless you all ,and the athiests among you bless you

When hatred and bigotry leave the game we have a beautiful game .pure football no matter what side you support . good luck on your return to the top flight.

geo a happy tim tonight .

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They can never say they don't get decisions anymore, that pen was a joke.

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Well said Sir, we know you guys ain't having it easy. Respect. HH joe

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Still wasn't a penalty

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Aye what if it was the other way about! they will get no congrats from me anyway

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Hear, Hear

Don

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This is an honest assessment from a diehard Bear. It is hard for Rangers fans right now. Until Christmas 2011, Gers were heading for four-in-a-row. Nobody can tell me that the looming financial disaster didn't affect things and the subsequent loss of the title and all that followed. Celtic have done well to reach the last 16 of the CL and it is a surprise given their domestic form. What hurts for Rangers fans is our current predicament in SFL3 and miles from getting back to European nights. I don't see Celtic progressing further in the CL but I suppose it helps the co-efficient. Trouble is, until Rangers get back up to the top flight, no other Scottish side is capable of getting past first base! The thing that annoys me most is the hype and hysteria by the press (fuelled by Lennon) - his team are not nearly as good as he thinks and sometimes clubs can have a run in Europe without being any great shakes. Look at Cluj as a current example.

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FS now we have neil lemmon posting on here

JG

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Fuelled by Lennon??
Uterlly unbelievable, yet again Lennon gets abuse for doing nothing.

Joeshmo1888

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Bit like the dogs abuse from u lot that Ally gets on here since he became our manager. Take it you mhanks are all in the 'we love Neil Lennon' camp again at Septic park? See how long that lasts.

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@10: there has been more abuse of McCoist on here from Rangers fans than Celtic fans - Celtic fans are keen for him to stay in charge becuase he's not very good.

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@11. Fans will always be fickle when things are not going the way they perceive in relation to results. Both sets of fans have given their own managers dogs abuse. bigbaz

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06 Dec 2012 00:03:41
I want to thank all the rangers fans who have bet against celtic during their highly successful champions League campaign. You have kept the odds artificially high and pushed up the odds while losing your money. I have some of that money. Now If Youd given it to the rff......

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Personally i havent spent a penny on celtic. Never included them in any bet, and wouldnt ever. Then i would need to waste my time checking their scores or actually caring about them. Even in victory you lot are still bitter. Sad. Isn't it.

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Good oh OP, now that you and you buddies are flush,you might want to attend a few more of your team's less glamorous games....because you'll only have one more home Euro game to go to this season.

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Betting against Celtic you say, I actually paped a tenner on Celtic to beat Barcelona at Parkhead @ 8/1. First time av ever been cheesered at a Celtic win.

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@2: don't you think the obsession thing is boring now? It always was. And if you apply your criteria for obsession to many Rangers fans on here, you'll find they are too. It's a lazy attempt at banter and shows up those who keep reaching for that particular card, thinking it's oh so witty and clever, as not very bright.

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@5 Excellant post mate.Could'nt agree more.Obsession is the most used word on this site.It really is so boring now and and as you say defeats the banter level.

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@ 5 & 7,

Don't yous think that the SEVCO banter is getting boring?Celtic fans are on here in there numbers referring Rangers as SEVCO...why? It's old and extremely boring now. Would you lot be referring to Rangers as the Blue Knights if Murray's consortium were successful? I highly doubt it!!

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@6: just like Pacific Shelf, Septic etc. Need I go on? all boring and devoid of wit or originality.

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