Rangers Banter Archive December 06 2013

 

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06 Dec 2013 21:48:06
Hi Guys i'm looking for some information can any of you tell me where I can buy a couple of hundred pounds of Rangers Shares I wish to buy them for my son for xmas I would like the sort of gift box stuff ie share certificate with his name on etc etc just something that over the years can be passed on to his son and so on more for sentimental reasons than financial reasons

lochaber Bear

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LB -you need to find a stockbroker if you want the certificate then just get it framed yourself

if you buy with an online account most of the time you will not receive the certificate

Think you should get yer skates on mate as it can take a few days to receive your certificate

JG

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Cheers JG thanks for that everywhere on-line I looked all I got was companies who want to sell a single share and frame it etc

Lochaber Bear

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06 Dec 2013 15:59:05
Seen a question just down the page from Pedro, asking would any Rangers players today get in our all-time eleven (not sure if that was a serious question or a wind up given the obvious answer is no lol) but it got me thinking, what is everyone's all-time Rangers XI from their lifetime or from their time supporting the club?

Mine would be, from 1998-present (4-2-3-1);

McGregor; Ricksen, Amoruso, Weir, Numan; Ferguson, van Bronckhorst; Cannigia, Albertz, de Boer; Mols

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Goram, ricksen, gough, amoruso, numan, van bronkhusrt, Albertz, gazza, laudrup, hateley, mccoist

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Just realised I said "all-time from your lifetime", it's been a long day lol. You know what I mean!

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1980-

Goram

Brown Butcher Gough Numan

Laudrup Souness Gascoigne Cooper

McCoist Hately

Stuck John Brown at rb as can t think of any others better- was versatile. No room for De Boers, VB, Mols etc, they would make the bench. Davie Cooper still my favourite player of all time.

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New I would remember eventually, Gary Stevens at RB.

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Good question mate :

Goram,

Jardine, Butcher, Forsyth, Numan/Grieg

Gasgoigne, Baxter, Gatuso, Cooper?laudrup

McCoist Hately

Subs

MacGregor
Gough
Barry Ferguson
Van Brokhorst
Albertz


I couldn't choose left back left midfield

Grieg as captain has to play but Butcher my choice as captain

Plus Cooper my fav Rangers ever so hard to choose him and Laudrup

Basically the whole Team a nd subs could rotate over a season very hard to leave out albertz esp against celtic

george

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In old-fashioned 2-3-5 (I was born in 1951) my teams is:
Andy Goram; Sandy Jardine, Eric Caldow; John Greig, Richard Gough, Slim Jim Baxter; Davie Henderson, Ronald De Boer, Ally McCoist, Paul Gascoigne, Brian Laudrup
Subs: Alan McGregor, Davie Weir, Arthur Numan, Alex McDonald, Derek Johnstone

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Goram, Jardine Caldow, Greig Butcher Baxter, Henderson, Durrant, (Jimmy Miller or Mols)
Brand and the Coop

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S. Klos,
G. Stevens, R. Gough, J. Greig, L. Wallace
B. Laudrup, P. Gasgoine, B. Ferguson, D. Cooper, D. Prso, A. McCoist

Subs G. Van Bronkhurst, The Hammer, The Goalie, T. Butcher, R. Russell, T. Steven, god could go on all night.

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Goram

Jardine, Butcher, Greig, Numan

Laudrup, Gasgoigne, B Ferguson, Cooper

McCoist D Johnstone

It did surprise me that Derek Johnstone didn't get into the all time starting 11 ahead of Hateley.

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Ah, I forgot about Davie Cooper. He must be in there! Also Big Tel. My goodness, we have had some great players. Add Ralph Brand and Davie Wilson!

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07 Dec 2013 12:52:36
Goram, Jardine, Butcher, Forsyth, Grieg, Gasgoigne, Cooper, Laudrup, W. Henderson, McCoist & Johnstone

Subs - MacGregor, Gough, A. McDonald, R. De Boer, Souness & Hateley

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06 Dec 2013 14:13:25
In the chairman's open letter, he says that up until four weeks ago, he'd never heard of green, ahmed, etc, yet when he joined rangers, he came out with the usual spiel about being a fan, enjoying european nights, and all that flannel. he goes on to say that we should all thank stockbridge for all his hard work in keeping rangers together. this is the same stockbridge who videos his boss and puts it on you tube? the same stockbridge who cannot answer fans questions about finance? anyone else tired of the whole fiasco? roll on the 19th.

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Here here, get him out I say just another leech and yes man, Independent my arse

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Yeah, but also a lot of sense about the gang of four who think they have some kind of right to run the club despite never putting there money where there mouths are when there has been many opportunities to do so.

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Hughphil. I fully understand your scepticism and I appreciate our club has been pillaged by "businessmen". But to be honest the current boards communications have read far better than the requisitioners. We are a football team that plays football driven by desire & passion but unfortunately that team has to be financed and that is best served with astute businessmen. That businessman doesn't need to be a "Rangers man" but it's imperative that he has the best interest of the football team at heart. Pretty confident I will get shot down for this but I am of the persuasion to give the gentlemen on the current board a chance.

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Hugh, you keep jumping on all these wee details, calm down, step back look at the bigger picture, this guy has to much professionalism to come out and say that Stockbridge is a swindling c@nt and made away with millions

If he has the famous chair men's vote of confidence, we have seen that enough times to know what that really means

Do you believe Stockbridge picked the three new board members? These are the guys who will rip him a new ahole mate

I hope the shareholders think the same and do not re-elect him, then have him removed from the subsidiary companies as well

JG

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06 Dec 2013 17:24:51
2. Although I'm no fan of the current board I tend to agree with a lot of what David Somers has said and I do think that the Requisitioners have spread untruths on subjects like Jack Irvine's contract in order to win over the support of fans.

And to be honest I'm getting sick to the teeth of hearing about how we need 'Rangers men' on the board yet they won't invest a penny of their own money despite - according to them - there being a fantastic business opportunity lying ahead.

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Naz, you miss the point though. They are not willing to invest at the moment because they no their funds will be syphoned off by the bunch of shysters running our club.

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Re6, no sorry but it is you missing the point, they have had every opportunity on MANY occasions to buy legit shares and have NEVER came across, for some reason they seem to believe they have some divine right to run this wonderful club.

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06 Dec 2013 22:45:45
I just don't think the Requisitioners have any moral authority to tell ordinary fans who invested in Rangers this time last year when shares were 70p how they should vote at this year's AGM.

They could have put their money in at any point since David Murray put Rangers up for sale but have failed to do so repeatedly - sorry billionaire Jim McColl spent a couple of pounds of his own money to buy 4 or 5 shares.

They've had chance after chance to save our beloved club and safeguard its future but time and time again all they've did was mouth off and complain and assume they should be given it hassle free on a plate because they proclaim themselves 'Rangers men'.

Well as they know fine well that's not how business works.

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The guy says he has never heard of cg if people believe this guy they must button up the back who selected these guys for the board I give yous a wee clue he lives in france and now owns a lot of racehorse good auld rangers good auld rangers get these unknown people out of our club before its to late or is it already to late

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@1 you have to be fair to him and take him at this word until it's proven that he is a lying. Even McColl commented that he seemed a very sound appointment. To my knowledge nothing has been proved to link him to Whyte or Green.

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@7

How do you know they have not purchased 'legitimate' shares? I believe they are doing the right thing by NOT investing in the current puppet masters at Ibrox. Wait and see what transpires, you may be surprised. Just remember Mr King with his hoover in the boardroom.

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If you believe they had any chance of investing, you are sadly deluded. It was a 'closed shop' from day one. Controlled to allow certain individuals to gain control. The administration process should have shown you that. Wait and see.

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Ab72 you have a very selective memory, green said this in June 2012

But he did tell Smith and his group including millionaires Jim McColl and Douglas Park that if they want to jump on the Green bandwagon they can do so and there’s a place for nine-in-a-row icon Smith as chairman if he wants to stump up his dough.

Green said: “I’m not surprised that anyone has an interest in buying Rangers because it’s such a great institution – which is why we did it.

I’m not surprised that anyone has an interest in buying Rangers because it’s such a great institutio
Charles Green
“What I am surprised about is why people would come in on the day that everyone knows is completion day and think they could buy it.

“Walter stated that he was looking to negotiate to buy the club – well, no-one’s rung me. I’ve never spoken to Jim McColl or Walter in my life.

“Since I’ve been here I’ve spoken to lots of people who have asked if they could introduce me to them. No-one has, probably because no one trusts me.

“But I have asked on numerous occasions of people to meet them because I know their names. I know their reputations and I felt they’d be fantastic to have in this business.

“If Jim McColl, Douglas Park, Walter, Uncle Tom Cobley want to be investors then Imran Ahmad will take cheques off them and put the money into Rangers’ bank account – not his bank account or Charles Green’s.

“These people understand the passion and heartbeat and if they want to bring a cheque at the same time, then fantastic. ”

JG

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06 Dec 2013 11:46:02
To all rangers fans, would any of the current rangers players make your all time rangers 11? I couldn't name 1 celtic player now who would make the celtic 11.

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Clearly the answer is no Pedro

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What about Samaras? I thought he was 'world class'?

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You would be lucky if any of the current Celtic or Rangers team would make the top 100 players from either

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Samaras is world class. So is izzygeary (wink), Kayal and the 2 superstars who moved to the 2 top EPL clubs in the summer.

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06 Dec 2013 09:30:55
Here you go JG (and anyone else interested)

BuyRangers campaign Direct Debit Scheme

After all you have been through in the past year, you now have the opportunity to collectively invest in Rangers and create a community around the club you love. – Rangers F. C. For a minimum of £125 the opportunity to have a meaningful stake in Rangers is here.

The aim is straightforward, to purchase a substantial share in our football club and put the control firmly in the hands of those to whom it means most. It’s an opportunity to harness that collective passion to ensure we never again suffer from the actions of a small group of individuals. What if for the first time as a Rangers fan you could attend an AGM and cast your vote which would actually count for something. For too long our aspirations have not been at the forefront, now, together they can be.

How does the system work


Payment receipts designated solely for the purchase of Club shares will be transferred to and held, in Escrow, in a bank account operated by DWF LLP and managed by the RST Finance Committee until adequate capital has been raised to acquire shares in the Club and it is deemed a prudent time to do so. Other payment receipts will be held in the members’ current account and may be used to fund interest on loan capital raised for the purpose of purchasing shares in the Club.
What are withdrawal requirements


Your payments will not be returned to you except as provided below:
i. an Application for Withdrawal Form is received by the RST Board – a) No withdrawal will be permitted during the first 3 years of the Scheme except in the event of BuyMonthly default
ii. RST is dissolved and there is remains sufficient property following satisfaction of debts and liabilities
iii. You are a BuyMonthly member who has not yet fully paid the value of any one Community Share and is deemed to be in default by these rules – see item 4.

Can you breakdown the costs?


The Society will collect the monthly instalments you choose on the Application Form via GoCardless. The monthly instalment amount includes a £1. 00 charge levied by GoCardless, the annual amount payable includes a your annual membership subscription of £10. 00 and a £7 administration fee levied by the Society. If you have already paid your annual subscription or are a life member and you are seeking refund please contact the BuyRangers administration team via the Zendesk at www.therst. co. uk. You acquire all legal rights to the Community Share (s) on successful collection of your first instalment by GoCardless however the Society reserves the right to execute withdrawal of the Community Share (s) on your behalf in the event of default.

GoCardless and Payments


DEFAULT: In the event of GoCardless being unable to successfully collect the instalment and you do not make good the shortfall to the Society within 30 days of the final application for payment this agreement will terminate and your part payments towards your Community Share (s) to date will be refunded to you after the deduction of the GoCardless charges and the Society administration fee. Fully paid for Community Shares may only be withdrawn in accordance with the Society’s withdrawal rules.

My Personal Information


The information provided in the application form will be handled in a sensitive manner and in accordance with Data Protection legislation and/or as required by the Police or regulatory authority for the prevention of crime

How long will my application take


Applications will be processed in the order upon which they are received and will be accepted or rejected at the absolute discretion of the Board. In the event your application is rejected your remittance in respect of a Capital Funding share will be returned immediately

What are the Community Share Issue rules


By completion and submission of the RST Community Share Issue Application Form and a remittance of a minimum of £12. 84 as detailed in the Application Form, you:
i. offer to purchase the number of Community Share Issues detailed in the Application form subject to the conditions contained herein and in the Community Share Issue offer and in accordance with the rules of the Society
ii. in applying you are not relying on any information or representation other than that contained within this Community Share Issue offer and the Application form and the rules of the Society

What about interest


The Community Share Issue account will be an interest bearing account. Except where this document says otherwise, any interest earned on the account will be for the administration of the scheme first and then the benefit of the Society

Our long term goal – A majority shareholder

Membership of the Fund will be structured on a one member, one vote basis ensuring we never again suffer from the actions of a small group of individuals. As a trust member you can participate in monthly voting and topic suggestion but as a member of the BuyRangers campaign you can participate in official trust polls which will be presented at the Rangers yearly AGM.

There you go folks, all out in the open. Hope this helps

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Lads I live in Australia and want to invest through the trust of which I am a member, but I can't make my purchase via the options avaliable, as my bank acc. is Aussie.

Can anyone advise me on how to do this from outside the UK, do I need a UK bank acc. to complete the transaction.

Many thanks, Kelpie c/o Oz.

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06 Dec 2013 11:30:52
'The monthly instalment amount includes a £1. 00 charge levied by GoCardless, the annual amount payable includes a your annual membership subscription of £10. 00 and a £7 administration fee levied by the Society. '

Sorry but no thanks. in the long term some bears will pay more out on add-ons than the value of the shares and as for myself I would rather invest the money myself rather than swell the numbers of a group whose track record in supporting the likes of Whyte and Green is utterly woeful.

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Another potential banana skin there Kellie. Hopefully something the RST have factored into the scheme as they'll no doubt miss out on a huge section of our supporters who live outside the UK. I dunno the answer mate but I'll try to find out.

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Baybear - I don't want to be critical of the rst but I am not getting it!

the first paragraph talks about collective passion then says
"what if for the first time you could attend an agm and cast your vote"

they then go on to talk about buying community shares, seems to be a contradiction

i thought the idea maybe for the rst to have the proxy vote of all community shareholders and vote as one block, one main shareholder, not as thousands of individuals, also does a community share mean I would own any shares I paid for or if the rst would own the shares

there is also no mention of how any democratic decisions would be made between all shareholders to decide how block voting would be done on any resolutions, if someone puts more money in, would they have more say

think the rst need to work on this further to better explain there scheme

JG

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I might be on the other side of the world, but I still love our club.
If I can find a way to contribute, I will.
Most probably through a UK connection on my behalf, if I cannot do so myself from Australia.

Hey Baybear ma names Kelpie M8
Love the banter
Rangers

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Sorry Kelpie mate, and there was me thinking you were some hot Aussie bird called Kellie who followed the teddy bears ;0) What a feckin come down!

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I can introduce you to some muture Kylies, in a trade for some shares.
Straight swap.
lol

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@2 Fair enough Naz, everyone's entitled to buy shares whatever way they think is best.
I am puzzled as to why you think bears would end up paying more in admin fees in the long term though? The minimum monthly direct debit is £12. 84 of which £1 goes to go cardless for facilitating the payment process. So that leaves £11. 84 each month doesn’t it. Of this £11. 84 0. 83p will be used to pay your annual RST membership (£10 divided by 12 months=0. 83) and 0. 58p will be used to pay the £7 annual admin fee to the RST for setting up and running the scheme (£7 divided by 12 months= 0. 58p). So in total you will be paying £2. 41 per month in fees and £10. 43 per month towards shares. Correct me if I’m wrong as maths was never my strong point at school but how could a bear possibly be paying more in fees than to shares in the long term? I don’t see the point you were making at all.
As for the statement about the RSTs woeful record well to be fair I won’t argue with that. What I will say however is this. I don’t think there are many of us out there who hand on heart can say they did not buy into some of the Whyte and Green propaganda. Season ticket sales would suggest that it was more than the RST who backed this pair. In fact I do remember a certain Alistair McCoist backing that pair also so maybe he was just as naïve as the RST and the rest of us were? Seems a little unfair to single the RST out on this.
Bottom line is this, there are fans who want to invest but simply can’t afford to shell out hundreds of pounds in one go to do it. This scheme seems to be a way for these fans to do this but I do agree that the RST could do better to reach out to those who are not already members. At the end of the day the guys on the RST board are no different to you and I. They’re just Rangers supporters who are giving up their own time to try and do something instead of bumping their gums on here like you and me. Granted they’re not perfect and have made some amazing public faux pas in the past but at least they’re trying to find solutions. I genuinely think some folk are just looking at the RST from the wrong point of view. The focus seems to all be on the negative, “they backed Green, they backed Whyte, the don’t represent all of our opinions” etc. How about we just accept that we’ve all been led up the garden path these past two years (and longer by SDM) and try to move forward. The RST can’t represent the wider Rangers support if the wider Rangers support don’t provide an opinion. For £10 per year there is already a forum in place where you can air your views, vote on decisions, raise questions, attend AGMs, have an opportunity to buy shares etc. Maybe it’s just me but I don’t see the down side here. If you all signed up then this could be the biggest official supporters association in world football and it would be made up of guys with differing opinions but with a massive amount of clout when it comes to change at our club. Aye, so we don’t all agree all the time, big deal. I dinnae agree with my Mrs all the time or my brother but we’re still part of the one family who all want the best for that family. We live in a democracy, why not use our vote instead of doing nothing but moaning?
@4- JG, I’ll not even begin to pretend I’m as clued up as you appear to be when it comes to shares, proxy votes, community shares etc so all I can do is check with the RST. However, this is the very reason I happily paid my £10 so that I could ask all these questions. Why don’t you just pay your £10 and ask? Being a paid up member doesn’t change your opinion or stance. It’s not a big RST love in over here folks. I just paid what I thought was a paltry sum to be able to ask questions and have a voice. Surely you’re not all that tight that you cannae spare a tenner for some answers about the club you love? (not a dig by the way, just asking)

Baybear

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Well done Baybear- yes there are some details which could be improved, ironed out etc but given these rich Rangers men ain't putting any money in is there a better way to get the answers we are all seeking?
The RST is not everyone's cup of tea but they were years ahead of all of us and the press hounds in outing David Murray and the shambles he left us all with.

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Just heard back from the trust Kelpie. Unfortunately you'll have to do it through a pal with a UK account. Here's what they said
Hi,
Sadly we cannot accept overseas direct debits. UK banks accounts only. We are looking into changing that but we're restricted by law as it stands. Overseas bears have to invest in full with BuyRangers £125.

Wish I had a better answer

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Got that, cheers Baybear.

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I just received the same reply from Greame @ the RST m8.

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Sorry, "Graeme" via Will Craig @ the RST.
I'll have to go via a one off payment, as i'm overseas.

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