Rangers Banter Archive December 06 2016

 

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06 Dec 2016 21:32:10
Final straw with Warburton, everyone is wrong and he is right about plan B.
Even a rocket up his arse will not wake him up, in his total belief that options are not necessary.
The greatest all playing football teams could do it, but they still adapted during a game to compensate for the opposition's tactics.
He needs to waken up.



07 Dec 2016 07:59:59
He needs to leave.



07 Dec 2016 08:08:12
I'm really glad the Internet wasn't about when Smith was manager, what do people like you want? To be dominating Scottish football? Studding teams in Europe? We have just been promoted from the championship and our finances are in disarray, it's going to take time.



07 Dec 2016 11:07:23
Cee, empty barrels make the most noise, he doesn't have the capacity for thinking that we do. I'll explain everything to you once. Our manager like most modern managers has a footballing philosophy, you think nothing is changing because the formation isn't? Are you really this naive?

First of all, the manager sets up his team in a way that allows his philosophy to be carried out. The philosophy being to bully the ball. On the simplest level if the other team doesn't have the ball they can't create chances and score. He views losing the ball as the biggest mistake you can make. Why? Because he doesn't set up to be defensively strong in the sense of a traditional team. If you look on occasions last season where BOTH fullbacks were in their box as they broke, people like yourself would say "oh we can't defend" without ever realising why we were looking so exposed (lack of teamplay in defence due to overextending fullbacks and no CDM) . In games where we have dominated the ball (Celtic semi as the easiest example) the other team has to then come and adapt to our style of play. Initially this was very difficult for teams you look at how they started the league last season but now of course teams have had time to think about MW system and come up with counter strategies. It's MW job to ensure that these counter-strategies can't be implemented. This season so far, we have been trying to click as a team due to the whole squad bar 3 being completely revamped with the arrival of MW. Why as a manager, who brings in 11 players, is he not given time to get the team to click? Why is it due to the insane turn around last season that MW was heavily credited for (the short time he put the squad together and how quickly he got them playing) that now we are complaining that it didn't click on day one? are you forgetting our terrible preseason in the sh--fred cup?

Why does MW have a philosophy he sticks to? The key is to allow us to produce youth talent by having a consistent system where youth players will know if they are a left wing exactly what MW will expect of them if he calls them into the first team. As a club going forward we must move to produce elite talent or we as a country will fall on our sword. Why waste time making a plan b, trying to teach and mould your team around a different system they weren't signed for, for one game when you can master a system for every game?

"The manager doesn't make changes", "The manager doesn't know how to use subs". Both are false, if you have a keen eye and are like myself having watched MW since day one, its easy to tell the small tinkering and changes he makes on the field. The only thing that NEVER changes is the formation. Whether he's using the first 5-10 minutes to attack the left, whether he be focusing on the left or right hand side because he see's that teams particular weakness there. Forcing the wingers to do extra running on corners by taking them short sometimes forcing them to have to run down and mark on EVERY occasion meaning they will have to do more distance and as a result tiring quicker. Swapping Wingers, playing miller in st after starting on the wing to drop deep and create space in behind. There are honestly a million small things he does during a games. As for subs, they are pre-determined, his philosophy isn't about having a team its about having a squad and that's why he runs it with tight numbers. Every player in theory should be fighting and battling in training because they all realistically can see a path to the first team creating a more appropriate training and squad environment. The only times substitutes change in a general game is due to injury or a red card. He will sub a player based on three factors. Injury (gaining or recovering), total distance covered in last 5 games and position on the field. His sub times are based on these factors also but generally the times of the subs go more with the flow of the game rather than being specific times although everyone thinks he "always makes 60 minute subs" when in reality its 60mins+/ -5, the number of subs also changes depending on the flow of the game (two or one here but always one within that time frame and three by the end of the game) . Players are the most important assets to your club and if we can't keep them fit we can't use them nor can we sell them.

Should MW go? No. He's a much smarter than he gives himself credit for and is an extremely pedantic man. It's false to suggest he doesn't change anything or that he doesn't have a clue.

Do we understand the nature of the squad as much as we should as fans? No.

Time is all the squad needs.



07 Dec 2016 17:44:11
Naw it's no.



07 Dec 2016 19:42:49
Well you used more characters than you have brain cells Negri.



08 Dec 2016 17:43:23
Doesn't matter what his philosophy is anti if it's not working it's not working? It's usually easy to see something that's in plain sight but clearly not to a few on here. Everybody's entitled to an opinion but most of what you just wrote is crap, especially about time to settle we've had 9 or 10 of same starting 11 from last year most games soi don't get why they need time to gel? Maybe you could shed some light on that?



08 Dec 2016 19:25:00
Cede

Compared to the rest of the teams in the league bar one the finances are significantly better so if your describing them as in disarray how would you describe the finances of the other 9 teams in the league?



06 Dec 2016 17:39:10
Don't think we should sell windass yet unless crazy money offered as he is a top player. Maybe needs to work on end product but that'll come. We should keep him. The priority in January would be a centre half but don't have funds so maybe couple loans. 1 mid 1 def.



07 Dec 2016 01:24:23
Bears. The truth of the matter is that every single player at Ibrox is available at the right price and it prob doesn't have to be silly money, I think Warbs and poss the board will ask themselves one question regarding a player and that's can we finish 2nd without them. I don't want to see Windass go as I think if he gets a full season injury free the lads valuation will rocket, we may get a bid of 1m in Jan but end of nxt season the guy could be worth a hell of a lot more I'm just worried that due to our financial situation we may accept anything over 500k shocking I know but could see it happen.



08 Dec 2016 19:26:41
I would doubt our finances are that bad that we would accept £500k.



06 Dec 2016 16:35:30
hey fellow bears at last the young lads are getting a few results together glad to see it i wasnt impressed before but they are coming along nicely another game tomorrow night against dundee i think c'mon the youngsters and hardie with a hat trick!



06 Dec 2016 16:55:08
As in Hardie that's on loan at St Mirren just now?



06 Dec 2016 17:09:58
yeh spot on what a good result against Warburton needs a goalscorer
And hardie certainly looks like one he shouldn't be on loan he is good enough to be in This team and also Warburton wants a creative midfielder
I suggest he looks no further than Liam Burt if these young players do not get game time soon some will end up leaving.



06 Dec 2016 19:06:04
yes rutherglenbear hardie didn't play the other day so he played for the under 20s instead.



07 Dec 2016 13:32:21
And this is why MW doesn't change the formation. If we were to call on Hardie or Burt, they would know exactly what there role in the team would be. Will be a couple years before we start seeing elite level talents but we are on the right track finally after how long? 15 years?



06 Dec 2016 15:14:51
I read Newcastle and Derby are interested in Windass, i would sell him, he's becoming too injury prone, he might play 2 or 3 games, then he's out for 2 or 3, no continuity in the team when that happens and yes i know it's only 1 player but we want a settled team.



06 Dec 2016 16:38:51
I'm sure those two clubs are as well or more aware of his injury status and if it doesn't put them off then I don't see why we should get rid of a promising player whose problem may well be short term.



06 Dec 2016 16:50:24
would not sell to Newcastle as the fat rat will just think of a way to get that money back.



06 Dec 2016 17:22:58
Yes don't let Ashley screw us again if Newcastle want Windass they can have hi for the money he has robbed Rangers through his merry men when in power. The price would be too great and knowing Ashley probably offer Josh a Zero hour contract. Derby would need to offer a reasonable offer of around £3 million or more and Newcastle £250 million for the damage done to the club.



06 Dec 2016 17:23:42
Would be more inclined to say he's been unlucky with injuries rather than 'prone to injury! he's made 90 odd appearrances in last 3 years! We will get absolutely nowhere if we sell young guys like windass we need to build around these guys, he is only 22 (think) so he needs to be coached and brought on to realise his potential at our club not flog him for a couple of quid just to bring in someone else.



06 Dec 2016 20:10:48
90 odd appearances in 3 years is an 85% appearance rate over the course of a normal season.



06 Dec 2016 22:13:54
For a young player is a lot of game time so to say he's injury prone is nonsense.



07 Dec 2016 01:02:12
Zero chance of Ashley giving the rangers money. Newcastle are definitely not looking at him. Sounds like papers stirring for a move.



08 Dec 2016 19:24:58
Nic_861, i said he's "becoming too injury prone" yes he's young but it just seems he's picking up different injuries here and there, that's a red flag to me.



06 Dec 2016 15:13:26
just read 2 Scottish newspapers and can't believe none of them mentioned the stonewall penalty or the deliberate handball, which if had been given then hill would not have got a second yellow, but they go on about the sitter missed by Aberdeen, but don't mention the sitter missed by Wallace. just makes you wonder.



06 Dec 2016 16:51:53
its no secret that the journalists don't like rangers at least the ones in charge don't. but we don't care let them say what they want at the end of the day we know what's what.



06 Dec 2016 14:12:17
Windass liability. Never fully fit. If we get good offer we should get shot of him.



06 Dec 2016 14:59:25
Stop creating so many threads. Windass is a good player, best midfielder we have at the moment bar Niko.



06 Dec 2016 16:54:42
bar niko lol . people say that windass should be sold because he is injury prone but niko is more prone to injury than him imo!

I think windass and rossiter when the get a good rin in the league will be the best in the league in the middle of the park but that's just my opinion.

hope the young lads can toughen up enough for Scottish football.



06 Dec 2016 17:26:13
Agree james if we get these guys committing to our club for a couple of years then I honestly think in a couple of seasons they can be special players for us! If only we can get them up and running.



06 Dec 2016 22:47:45
Of course Niko is more injury prone, wish he wasnt, but doesn't detract from his quality.



06 Dec 2016 13:32:41
Regular contributor then? I posted three days ago bout RDB for gers and got shot down. Now its distinct possibility.



{Ed001's Note - why do you keep creating new threads? Answer the old one and people might have a clue what you are talking about. It is your fault no one has a clue, not theirs.}

06 Dec 2016 14:54:52
Got to say Hubbard, I thought you were just at the wind up. A form of literary Tourettes?



06 Dec 2016 14:19:21
Hubbard, enlighten me, who says its a distinct possibility mate? Its a rumour that frank de boer is watching the rangers managerial situation! We've got a manager in mark warburton that we should all back and get behind, until the end of the season!



06 Dec 2016 14:23:51
HUBBARD, are these cryptic clues you are posting, if we get it right do we win a prize? 😂.



06 Dec 2016 16:58:44
hubbard I've got to say I doubt that we could afford frank and he hasn't exactly been the best manager himself has he.

my trust in warbs was shaken after the hearts game and I had a good old rant but back to being me again we have to back this guy he has a vision on us playing the best football in the league and will eventually get us doing just that.

in warbs we trust! ! FOLLOW FOLLOW!



06 Dec 2016 13:48:07
Ive noticed myself some random comments that obv belong to a different thread and wonder where the hell that original thread is lol.



06 Dec 2016 14:34:25
This guy's a blatant wind up merchant - has done nothing but spout 99% nonsense since he started posting.



07 Dec 2016 08:09:15
He's not even saying frank get wants Ronald to be manager lmao.



06 Dec 2016 13:26:44
That exactly what he is Can control ball at feet and pass forward but that's it. Not Rangers class.



06 Dec 2016 12:16:22
I told ya. This would be best news at Ibrox in long time.



06 Dec 2016 12:56:20
You told us what.



06 Dec 2016 10:16:08
So windass is in demand. i say if we get a good offer of 1.5 million at least then sell him. he always injured any how.



06 Dec 2016 11:02:27
Personally would like to hold onto him for the time being, brings something different to a midfield which has been stale all season. Plus if we can keep him for another season or two, with a couple of good seasons behind him his price will rocket. Think we'd be mad to let him go just now.



06 Dec 2016 12:25:05
Am sure he's eh has a £5 million buyout so can't see him leave until we can get that weather it's this season or next.



06 Dec 2016 13:21:11
Trouble with windass for me is he been out more injured than played. think he injury prone. yes he's good and direct when plays but at the moment can we carry him. if we get 1.5 million i'd take it buy centre defender and creative mid.



06 Dec 2016 15:09:51
It would be an absolutely ridiculous idea to sell him just now, the guys played a dozen games.

Honestly the impatience is startling on here.



06 Dec 2016 16:12:36
"Am sure he's eh has a £5 million buyout. ", but would the buyout not be on the player's side, i. e. the club can't stop him from leaving if he wants to if the buyout value is meant. The buyout doesn't apply if the club are happy to let the player go for less.



06 Dec 2016 10:08:06
Reading that windass is a wanted man for next months transfer window, would anyone like to see him go, and if so, how much would you rate him as being worth? I for one would keep him as i can see a fine player there, if he can get over these set backs.



06 Dec 2016 11:09:34
According to my son Steve McClaren was interviewed after the Hearts game and mentioned only interest in Hearts players such as Patterson and Soutar. No mention of Windass. Could be all paper talk, filling up column inches.



06 Dec 2016 12:17:14
Hope so naz, i would love him to stay. don't get me wrong if we got a good bid then yes accept it and use that money to bring in a couple more players.



06 Dec 2016 13:09:10
id like him to stay he is very direct and I like that about him just hope he can toughen up a bit and stop getting injured. he has the quality to attract bigger offers in the future. same with a lot of our players .

a lot of them have struggled to make the step up but I think they will get used to this league and will be valued better in a year or two.



06 Dec 2016 00:32:53
Evening troops,

Shoot me down if you wish.

But I've done a bit of digging and noticed Michael Essien is a free agent since leaving Panathanikos is October.

33 years old.

A good signing?



06 Dec 2016 02:35:45
Would be good signing a think.



06 Dec 2016 07:17:05
A great investment, a couple of seasons and we could sell him on for £10m or so.



06 Dec 2016 12:18:18
Hahaha 10 million, but seriously i would take a wee punt on him too, i do think he would demand a big wage but.



06 Dec 2016 13:12:25
if his wage demand was in our range i'd try take him as he is fast lots of energy an would improve our team.
however that is not the case .
places like America and china is where the retirement money is so why not go through there.



07 Dec 2016 20:16:39
You've "done a bit of digging" or have looked on Transfermarkt? Reality needs to kick in at some point, there is little money to spend on transfers or wages. It blows for the fans but that's how it is.



 
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