Rangers Banter Archive February 06 2012

 

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06 Feb 2012 23:51:26
Registrar Simmonds ruled that "the assets of the company (Vital UK) were put out of the reach of the creditors on a somewhat dubious delayed basis".

The ruling continued: "Shortly after that Mr Whyte put the company into a members' liquidation disclosing promissory notes as an asset.

"This seems to me to be a self-seeking action with regard to the company. If this is too harsh, then the degree of recklessness shows Mr Whyte to be thoroughly unfit to be a director."

Enough said.

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06 Feb 2012 23:36:28
Whyte is doing to us what he has done time and time again. The money has to be explained, it should be easy just show us the accounts.
I know before you all start that this is not his mess, and that is correct, but I remember when Rangers were seen as the club that had some class, that did things the right way. We are now owned and being run into the ground by a thoroughly disreputable character.
He is not one that would let lies be told about him, why has he not sued BBC, as he stated previously that he was going to do? There is a simple answer, he would lose.
Time and time again ppl still give him support, I truely believe that we finally wake up to this man, that it willbe too late. We will be in admin and he will have pockets full.
How many lies do we need to hear from this man, how many embarrassing stories will we have to endure? How many denials without proof are we going to told before the penny drops. This man us going to oversee our trip into administration, that has been his plan from day one. Just answer this question why would anybody buy a business that has a potential liability of £49m. Why did he not wait until the tax result was known ?
He buys businesses in trouble, asset strips them and then puts them into admin, that is what he does for a living, why do ppl somehow believe that he is treating us in a different way?
We need to wake up and make his life a misery because that is what he is doing to us. I went to the game yesterday and the team got booed off, it is most certainly not their fault, and yet not a word against Whyte, he is the villain here not the team, or what is left of it.
If this was happening to them, they would not put up with this, they would let them know in no uncertain terms that this is unacceptable , they did it before they would do it again. I never thought I would ever say this but it is time we took a leaf out their book and took to the streets. Do they love their club more than we do ours?
A comment or a sincere apology from Sir DM is long overdue. His silence is deafening.
I wonder what story will appear tomorrow, every day bring worse news.

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I can see your upset mate, I was at the game yesterday too, it wasn't nice watching that. I can understand you venting your frustation at Whyte and asking why we are not having protests. I ask you what do you want us to do, our Supporters Trust spoke to Whyte on Friday and were happy with the answers he gave them and asked for us to support the team as it needs it more that ever. So that is what I am going to do. Just for the record, no one can come in and buy Rangers because we are banned from trading shares, If you want to go and stand outside and "shout Whyte out" or whatever, he can't go even if he wanted too.

Pete

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I honestly have no confidence in the supporters trust, they ask the questions, get no answer and seem to accept that. They have met with Whyte on numerous occasions and still no answers. I just think that whyte has planned this from day one, and we don't seem to do anything other than watch. You are correct in saying he could not leave even if he wanted to, but I have to say that he had a big pair of brass baws, nothing seems to make any difference to him.
I think that the fans should bombard DM with emails and letters suggesting that he talks about the situation that him and his cronies have got us into.
Never again should one man own our club

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Wrong again Pete...just because the shares are suspended on the Plus SE doesn't mean they can't be traded privately...you can indeed go and make CW an offer to buy the club....now anticipating that you don't believe me go and check CW's statement once the shares had been suspended.

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What happened to Murray's statement about only selling to someone with Rangers best interests at heart. I would say that Whytes only interest is running rangers into the ground and lining his pockets in the process. I wonder if he was bullied as a kid by some big bad rangers fan.

Ian

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06 Feb 2012 22:45:30
Where are the so called big rangers fans like Jim MCcoll(billionaire)and Tom Hunter(billionaire)when we need them most?Why dont the two them get together and buy Whyte out before he totally ruins this famous club instead of sitting back or in Hunters case splashing his cash on do-gooder causes.If he wants to get rid of his big bucks,why doesn't he throw it towards his so-called favourite football team?
WE ARE THE PEOPLE.

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Because they are REAL businessmen, and real businessmen don't throw £150m+ away with absolutely no chance of getting it back that's why

and judging by your 'loyal' support, why would any potential investor look to buy you lot when it's clear that when the sh1t hits the fan, Ra Peepul dissappear


taco

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Do-gooder causes? like saving starving kids and getting clean water to africa?

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And by the way.....the fact that you're slating Hunter for putting money into charities and foundations for social benefit, instead of rangers, just sums you up, and is probably another reason why REAL businessmen won't invest

Ra Peepul indeed!


taco

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That will be the same as The Greatest Fans In The World who also disappear when things don't go their way. Wasn't that long ago Parkhead was half empty and the fans wanted Lennons Head.

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I don't know ANY Celtic supporter who 'wanted Lennons head'


taco

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Funny i think if you check the spl website Celtic usually have a higher overall home attendance by about 60 to 70 thousand each year due to a larger stadium yet the year Mowbray was boss Celtics total attendance at home for the season was 866,061 Rangers was 903,723.... so even though Celtic have a stadium that holds 10,000 more each home game Rangers had 37,662 more in attendance thats nearly 100 thousand gone missing... funny how this happened the season Mowbray was in charge when your team was falling to pieces and hasnt happened any other season where you have been competitive whereas Rangers have a consistant attendance through the good the bad and the ugly. So clear to see that when the sh*t hits the fan it is the Septic mob that disappear quicker than a box of doughnuts at a fat camp. P.S earlier in the season when you fell 9 points behind most Septic fans i spoke to were saying Lennon should walk.

Mr Blonde

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Think how many African wells the £4.5m pished against the wall on bampot Brown could have dug. It is all such a big disgrace.

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That's your problem then Mr Blonde....you were speaking to Septic? fans and not Celtic fans

what's wrong? is it too painful for you to even spell our name correctly?
you're hatred is clear for all to see


taco

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I have no problem with CELTIC fans, most of my best friends are CELTIC fans however when for some reason Celtic fans feel the need to come on a Rangers page and leave ridiculous comments it kind of annoys me... I personally dont go on the Celtic pages posting nonsense about your team yet in a time where Celtic are doing very well instead of praising your own team you feel the need to come on a Rangers page and post rubbish (Not saying all your posts are but that last one was) would indicate to me that you dislike Rangers more than you love your own club?

Mr Blond {Ed014's Note - It's a banter site,get over it.It really annoys us Eds the posts moaning about other fans being on here.Its what the site is about.

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@mr blond:take a peek in your shorts n see if you can find a pair! its a laugh!..green jhedi

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I apologise Mr Blonde.....substitute 'hatred' with 'bitterness' then:)

it's only a laugh mate;)


taco

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06 Feb 2012 22:45:22
alright my fellow bears not been on for a couple of weeks been busy anyway everything happening with the club is hard to take but we just need to keep backing the team and super ally know matter what but what was shocking the other day was there was only 17 thousand fans at ibrox the other day leaving at half time yes it was hard to watch but we need to be there to back our team no matter the result

campbell

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I'll bet you weren't there;)


taco

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You bet a wasn't there you losed the bet then because a was

campbell

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Were B and C there along with A?

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The only thing i 'losed' was my bladder control when i saw the mighty tangerines score number 2 on sunday


taco

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06 Feb 2012 22:42:56
If Celtic win the league or even the treble and rangers go bust their triumph will be it overshadowed by the death of Scotlands greatest ever football club just like our treble was overshadowed by Celtic reaching the uefa cup final in Seville.

watp

jacko

watp

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Ah don't think so Jacko. Will be remembered by the 15 point turn around by Neil Lennon. ;). Or you surrendering already jacko. Good lad. Surrender excepted. Bigirishmac

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06 Feb 2012 22:31:11
I seriously hope all you dhims will be looking like mugs come Friday/Saturday the banter from your lot has been comedy sh yte

watp
jacko

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Why friday/saturday? something happening?

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06 Feb 2012 22:26:18
To all people posting ally wasent a quiter on the pitch or player,thats all fair enuff but he is NOT a player he is the manager and a hopeless one,he got ko outa 4 cups lost a good posistion in title n let owner walk all over him,but its ok cos he a playing legand,(which i dont dispute),nobody will stand up to anyone top to bottom and whyte knows not turn on a legand,talk about human shield,i remember last season smiths head been called for in early part of season,but not legand mccoist,bowt time use all grew a pair and demanded answers instead of wasting time dribbling on n gessin this and that will happen,take a good look and ask did u do enuff ta help glasgow rangers,

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06 Feb 2012 22:06:01
Great show on at 11.00 on BBC Scotland. Desperate WHYTE. Even looking at him u would know he's a crook. Ally and WHYTE to release a new single to make sone cash it's called A Muppet On A String. ;) bigirishmac

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What appearance features make someone look like a crook, do explain?

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Usually a red white and blue tie,blue blazer with a rangers club crest on it,and a nametag saying C.WHYTE,is a dead giveaway.artybhoy

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06 Feb 2012 21:27:59
Craig whyte Gordon smith & steve Davis.....

Ones sinking the club
Ones stealing wages from the club
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One couldn't captin a rubber dingy rather than a football team

Seriously tho take the light from whyte Gordon smith ? What's he done that's helped rangers this season ? Same question for Davis? Even a tic fan guy shouldn't be captin some like mcgreggor should get a run at it ?

Lenny

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Fs your teams 1 point ahead n you(only a fan) thinks he can start givin us football advice?

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We're actually 4 in front, because by your logic a game in hand is a given 3 points (remember it wasn't 15, it was really 9) lol!!


taco

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Well Taco it is correct Rangers surrendered a 9 point lead not 15... we could do nothing to prevent Celtic winning there 2 games in hand so how did we drop those 6 points? Use some common sense mate.

Mr Blonde

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Good, so you agree that Celtic are 4 points clear then:) (using common sense)


taco

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No you are 1 point clear with a game in hand. My point is Rangers did not drop any points to allow Celtic to go from 15 to 9 points behind so we did not f*ck up a 15 point lead, just a 9 point lead which is still shocking.

Mr Blonde

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06 Feb 2012 21:27:23
The way i see it, this poor run of form is no-ones fault but the manager. Why is Steven Davis constantly picked and is never criticised by the fans. How many good games has he played in the last two seasons yet Edu is the whipping boy. Any other player would have been dropped. Why papac/wallace on the left hand side? The team needed width at start of season and we sign a left back (when weve already got one),and 2 midfielders who dont even get a run out when the captain is out of form. Why dont the youngsters get played? Mcmillan, hutton, fleck. Its a joke. Healy not good enough and finally, next season, 3rd or 4th in league.
Watp though.
Rangers til I die
Big Sid

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Players are constantly playing out of postion.No doubt Bartley is a good C.B but he looks out of place at R.B.
The Papac and Wallace combination on the left side of the team does not work as we have no one with sufficient pace to get to the bye-line.Wylde has the pace but his final delivery is sometimes suspect BUT he needs a run of games.
With Aluko on the right we would have pace down both flanks and try Healy and Celik upfront or Andy Little and Healy as this seems to be the only option.
Matt Mackay can play on the left but he rarely makes the squad - Why?

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06 Feb 2012 21:22:58
friday night all back to mine for JELLY N ICE CREAM! green jhedi

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No green jhedi:( we are suppose to be going to mine for a pillow fight. You always ruin my parties, it's not fair.

Lenny

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Only one thing for it lenny..merge the two! if we could find a third for pass the parcel.........green jhedi

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What is happening on Friday? the same thing that was happening at the end of every month. The "We are Having a Party when Rangers Die" is not what i would call banter, but each to his own I guess, I wouldn't expect anything less than Celtic putting the boot in, as I would do the same, but to keep harping on about the due date and getting wrong, you aught to give it a rest, it's becoming farcical

Pete

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Pete, the only thing farcical is your club.

The End.


taco

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Taco (bell-end)

You could not take the title from "our farcical club" for the past 3 seasons, I "loved" when your manager addressed the parkhead crowd at the end of last season (as a loser) watching him almost in tears reeling of excuse after excuse, blaming everyone and anything but the real culprits, his team, the bottlers, his list included, referees, fixtures, sfa, spl and he even had a pop at the other teams for "not trying". we might be in bother but we lose with dignity, your club have no idea what that means. Always cheated never defeated since 1888.

Pete

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What's also a bit farcical is the amount of dopey dhims never off here creaming their pants when game over for my team inevitably means game over for your shower also.

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Pete....i've obviously hit a nerve there, why you would resort to personal insults is just immature, but anyways, i'll keep this civilised and mature, like good Celtic supporters do.....

you talk about blaming everyone and excuse after excuse, well, the fact that referees were sacked because of 'honest mistakes' paints a truer picture than you lot just moaning at the fact that Celtic, on their own, took on the biased institution known as the SFA, and won, paving the way for a level playing field (why wouldn't rangers want this, i wonder?). Lennon and other members of the team also had to deal with bombs & bullets in the post, death threats, and constant harassment (is this how dignified rangers supporters act?) we lost the league on the last day, which is a great achievement considering what the club had to endure throughout the season.

you lose with dignity? MY ARSE! have you even listened to mccoist after the many games you have been pumped in? your lot even went as far to suggest a ref would be impartial because of his surname FFS!


taco

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Taco mate come talk about losing with dignity, is celtics motto not "Always Cheated, Never Beaten"?

Mr Blonde

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06 Feb 2012 21:22:55
Not being funny and not taking a cheap shot at Rangers...there are enough people doing that already. Can I ask though, has the Rangers News gone monthly or simply stopped? Used to buy it for the kid next door but it hasn't been out for few weeks? If it has stopped or gone monthly...this cannot be a good sign! Like I say, am a Celtic fan but not taking a shot at Rangers, am too respectful of that.

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Its a monthly mag now mate

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Yes it is a monthly publication. Not much respect on here ger1952

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06 Feb 2012 21:18:14
What would peoples opinions be as to the way rangers as a club must progress after tax issue is sorted. I think it'll take us a couple seasons to get back to a good level which if I'm honest I think I am writing off to be celtics. Therefore I'd like to see a team built around our two very tallented midfield players ness and hutton they are players who are with us already so no money spent. Its about time rangers used what they've got rather than quick fix in older players. Maybe it'll be we've no option n this is route we will have to take. Opinions please

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You are too sensible for this site sir ger1952

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06 Feb 2012 21:05:57
........Message from Craig Whyte.........

My fellow tax dodgers, as you are aware the nasty BBC are showing more allegations about me
(Newsnight BBC2 11.00pm) I urge all true fans of Rangers FC to do what I am going to do tonight at 11.00pm close my eyes, put my fingers in my ears and go na na na na na until programme ends, I hope my advice helps.

As printed by Timalloy

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Getting fed up with this tax dodgers nonsense, as a Rangers fan are you saying that I am a tax dodger personally because that's the impression am getting. Let me inform you Timalloy or whatever you call yourself I work day in and day out and do well for myself, taxes all paid. Blue4ever

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06 Feb 2012 21:04:23
conspiracy time -

is Whyte REALLY a Rangers man or ...........

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06 Feb 2012 21:02:32
the only way for rangers can be one of the best in europe is to fold buy an english club , rename it rangers 2012 or sumin we can still play at ibrox just like queens park play at hampden. yes we will lose our history but the past is the past i would rather play in european finals in the present instead of sayin weve won the european cup winners cup. with the tv money and sell out crowds at ibrox every week we would run a mock. we wer aw sayin a hope we sigh kris boyd forget that we would be sayin hope we sign modric etc. just a though

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Buy an English club?? Are you for real? You can't buy a player!!! The drugs you are taking must be mighty powerful!

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And how would you play at Ibrox if you fold, the ground would be sold and the cash distributed to ....... eh ....... Craig Whyte.

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Jeez,can't believe there are still sandheids like you mate,your club are brassic,skint,rooked,potless!
Get aff yer mammys tit and start believing
Yer club is nearly finished!
Hoodbhoy

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06 Feb 2012 20:53:20
Aww come on this guy WHYTE is taken the piss now. Am laugh out. Jesus and this is the guy that says he has a plan in place. Yeah do a runner, take all your money. This man is a pure crook. Where did dxckhead Murray get this guy??? He couldn't run a bath. The great Billionaire with the big warchest. Only big chest he had was his wife's and she's gone too. Lol come on everybody let's sing. I wanna be a billionaire so frickin bad....... Bigirishmac

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06 Feb 2012 20:39:10
I believe the majority of negativity on this page comes from celtic fans because as a true rangers fan i support my club through thick and thin including managerial and players. Why wouldnt I?
Of course on the other hand the internet is full of little trolls from the dark side that like to TRY and spread misinformation and lies. Be aware of this because as a true Bear im confident when it comes to may WE will be lifting the championship AGAIN. FIAR TRUE BLUE WATP

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You are seriosly deluded mate.admin friday,artybhoy

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Listen to me you moron. The priority of Rangers FC is to exist beyond this season NOT 4 in a row.
Forget anout winning the league and concentrate on on more pressing issues.

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Your right mate, this page is full of people trying to spread negative news, mainly supporters of Celtic. Its got to the point I don't even read specific posts because you know they are designed to spread negativity, the Rangers Tax Case site is a classic example of this.

GovanFR

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I agree mate, positive attitude!

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If you had been reading the tax case site you might have better info on your mess. green jhedi

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06 Feb 2012 20:38:08
Bear in mind guys that the same players ( more or less ) demolished Motherwell and Hibs WITHOUT Jelavic so it is NOT the ability that has changed. It is attitude change due to lack of leadership on and off the park, and I put the blame on McCoist,Durrant and McDowell. They are paid to coach, guide and inspire - not to look miserable and whinge all the time.
Give the armband to Bocanegra or McCullouch until the ship steadies

Wee Bill

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Hibs? every gives them a beating,look at the goals,ten men,jeeze!

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I'd give it to Bocanegra, the problem with giving it to McCulloch is we would need to play him.

GovanFR

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06 Feb 2012 20:13:27
I'd welcome back boyd in a heartbeat bears at least we would have someone who is a proven goalscorer i would be confident about him giving the squad a boost

watp

jacko

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He has signed for Portland, is just training with Killie before MLS season kicks off.

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06 Feb 2012 19:56:47
we do look to be in a bad way and the banter between the fans is fine. but to be truthful a do like ally but the players he signed are not that good or what we have seen of them that is. aluko looked great yesterday but also very lost maybe its just me but when watching the game a could read every pass the rangers players were goin to make before they done it the first half dundee had us 100percent and should of scored more. we are not goin to no what exactly is going on at our club but until we do lets try get behind the team if a was ally a would try new things with the team a mean the young lads couldnt do any worse

regards ryan-casey

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06 Feb 2012 19:55:00
Greenjedi, just getting back to your reply to me yesterday. For what's happening with our performances, I blame McCoist. I did say he hasn't been backed but thats because we've no money. I also think some of the signings weren't McCoists, which is pretty duff, but same thing happens at quite a few clubs. Difference is, IMO Ally has spat the dummy and refuses to play them. eg Makay, Bedoya, Ortiz. If we'd kept Ortiz i'd have played him RB instead of Bartley. Plus Makay as part of a 3 man midfield with davis and Edu. Up front, Mervan, Heally and Aluko. Rather than players all over the place.

I'm not having a go or being cheeky, but you seemed to think I was blaming Whyte for everything, which is not the case.


pappy

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@pappy; thanks mate .i was agreeing with you it just was a bit jumbled! as i say i think mccoist is getting the shaft but i think he also is playing a bit of a game, green jhedi

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06 Feb 2012 19:49:20
i think there is a clear lack of aggresion and fight about the current rangers team. We lack a leader on and off the field, someone who isn't afraid to grab people by the scruff of the neck when the chips are down. As much as i love ally mccoist an i really do, he is my hero, i feel the rangers job is just too big for him given the horrible circumstances he has to work under. A much more experienced campaigner like terry butcher would be better suited to our current situation. We could do with a few hard b@st@rds in the team aawell to get the opposition running scared of us...felt we got bullied all over the park yesterday.

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06 Feb 2012 19:30:22
Why on the rangers website are they telling us how well fleck etc are doing on loan!, they should be here at ibrox ffs!, c'mon ally/gordon smith get a grip.

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Probably trying to deflect attention away from Ibrox and yesterdays result. As if that was possible. Know what you mean great they're playing well we're not.
ED - heard about ED007's niece hope she's doing well. cheers. Could you answer please when you are asked for comments about say administration, what do you base your comments on? eg rumours on this site, the media or what you dig up yourselves - just wondering and I do realise it is a rumours site, cheers ED {Ed014's Note - I'll pass on your well wishes.Im sure he will appreciate that.My knowledge on all the tax and money is just based on what I read and am told.Ed007 is the brains that can understand it all(or nerd).Please don't take what I say as 100%,I am no expert on stuff like that,I'm hoping alot of is is rubbish.}

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06 Feb 2012 19:11:25
Just watched BBC Reporting Scotland.
First piece of news - Craig Whyte and a court case, may have lied about an unpaid bill, with a reporter talking to you like a 3 year old and trying to tie it up to their previous programme, so there Craig Whyte, stick that in your pipe and smoke it! aha!.
2nd piece of News Black Watch soldiers in Afghanistan,
3rd - Man found guilty of murdering his daughter for the second time.
4th - Queens 60th annivesary of her ascension to the throne.
FFS BBC get your priorities right. Certainly still do your piece on CW, by all means but first piece of news?
I think this says a lot more about the BBC than what they're trying to say about CW - anyway I don't think he gives a f45k.
I was fully expecting the reporter who did the piece on CW to sign off with- "and that's green jedhi, signing off for Reporting Scotland, going undercover online at www.rangersrumours.co.uk"

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Er,its bbc SCOTLAND,so scottish news first,artybhoy

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Well your sadly right - he doesn't give a f*ck.

And it wasn't about an unpaid bill, you miss the point. It was about running up debts of £400k in a previous company and then transfering the assets out of that company so the creditors who were due the £400k wouldn't get paid.

It is because of people like you, who don't really care about trying to understand the situation, that Craig Whyte is getting away with his wrongdoings.

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Me? undercover? never mate......green jhedi

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3rd Poster
You are way off the mark pal -
In a separate matter, the Rangers owner appeared in court in December to contest a case over an alleged unpaid £90,000 repair bill at his castle.
Continue reading the main story

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In specific terms, Mr Whyte totally refutes the scurrilous allegation that he may have committed perjury in a court of law in December last year”
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Craig Whyte's spokesman
Craig Whyte: Full statement
The 40-year-old, who was listed as owner of Tixway UK Ltd, was said to have ordered supplies from One Stop Roofing to repair the roof at his property in Grantown on Spey.
It was also claimed that Tixway failed to maintain a repayment plan agreed at the start of the 2010.
Evidence has been heard in the case and a written judgement is expected at a later date.
During his evidence, Mr Whyte was asked about his seven-year disqualification from being a company director.
In court, he said: "This is going back to matters some time ago. I don't have any recollection of what it was about just now."
He was then asked: "You can't remember why you were banned for seven years?"
Mr Whyte replied: "Well, I'm not going to say in open court and get it wrong."
The Rangers owner was then asked: "Was it anything to do with the treatment of creditors?"
He replied: "No."
The BBC has obtained a transcript of the judgement which imposed the seven-year director disqualification on Mr Whyte.
I think you have got it wrong. The bigger picture is what you say and refers to his disqualification period. My point and it is clearly stated is why news about a company director previously disqualified, in court in Dec about an unpaid bill, may have lied, (innocent until)becomes more important than our soldiers working up to come home from Afghanistan and the other main news that I stated. The BBC perspective to me is astounding and I think cheap sensationalism.
I think I make it quite clear, keep the piece in, yes by all means - but do not think it merits being placed in the headline category.
I for one do not remember the BBC Scotland pursuing Mr C Whyte after he received his ban to uncover the same story you refer to at the Royal Courts of Justice Companies Court in London on 13 June 2000. I mean after all he did have a seat in the main stand back then. Do you?
So if you don't mind "sherlock" it's not people like me - but can you clearly state what his wrongdoings are? (remember he apparently satisfied Lloyds Bank etc with his take over proposals)
You may wish also to read Mr Whyte's statement about the report.

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Oh right artybhoy what are the other news items that are listed?

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Undercover? naw, not with a name like green jhedi, of course not. What u doing on here the night thought you would be rable rousing to demonstrate against the SFA for your 9th consecutive away tie from a lotto type draw (against our worthy victors). Or is it just a Load of balls? Is Peter Liewell still in the SFA?

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06 Feb 2012 18:53:41
tommy sheridan got three years and served one for perjury , the bbc have documents to prove whyte lied in court ,, go to jail , do not pass go

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11.00p.m. BBC2 Newsnight Scotland.

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"tommy sheridan got three years and served one for perjury , the bbc have documents to prove whyte lied in court ,, go to jail , do not pass go"

I'll guarantee that he collects his 200 dollars though, lol.

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06 Feb 2012 17:35:38
First of all, like many others, let me just say that Super Ally will always be a legend to Rangers fans. That will never be in any doubt. But it's become glaringly obvious, no matter how hard to admit, that he's completely clueless as a manager. It's like he's inherited all Watty's negative managerial characteristics with none of the positives. His loyalty to the old guard (McCulloch, and to a certain extent Davis) illustrated by a lack of squad rotation even against lower league opposition, his baffling decision to play a large percentage of players in unnatural positions and his his negative tactics are not even balanced by a driven, hungry team, astute signings (Goian, Bocanegra and Aluko aside) and canny handling of the media. The latter point is especially puzzling with his QoS experience in this field. And he seemed to be blaming the background issues on the recent Cup exit. No matter how severe the debt issue is, Walter never once would have used that to justify a meek surrender like we saw on Sunday. Maybe squad morale wouldn't be so low if he actually used a few of them more often. McKay situation is puzzling, and Fleck and Hutton would surely have been worth retaining for depth. I just don't understand the reasoning any more. Tax issues aside, we deserve far better from the playing perspective. And that, for me, means McCoist should step aside.

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06 Feb 2012 17:28:37
David healy proved yest that he can't be trusted to score the goals utter garbage, edu rotten as ever his passing is worst I've ever seen for a gers player, goian has become a joke, little should have joined Sunday league team, bartley will be a championship player at best, never seen a winger cross the ball as bad as wylde, Marvin hopeless, aluko thought he was playing rugby with his shots, Wallace never a midfielder, mckay and USA dude as much use as a chocolate teapot. Just a really rotten team all round.

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I know.great isnt it,artybhoy

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The whole coaching set up needs rethinking teams have passed us off the park falkirk ,st johnstone and st mirren to name a few just jobs for the boys iam afraid and ally not got the team playing any type of football worth watching bb.blue

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Someone must have clicked on disagree by mistake

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Healey may not be th best centre forward to ever grace the shirt but lets be fair to him yesterday against United. Rangers pumped high balls towards him when he was playing against three DU centre backs who each and everyone towered above him. What do you expect when we play defenders on the wing and/or natural flair players out of position. In my opinion Healey in some regards is no better than Boyd...a poacher...BUT unlike Boyd, at least Healey will graft and chase ever hopeless ball sent his direction....Play the ball on the ground and Healey will give a good return of goals in my opinion. He would benefit from an attacking midfielder busting forward such as Mackay....or Aluko being allowed a free role to drift in from either wing.

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06 Feb 2012 17:13:40
Could be that McCoist has LOST the dressing room too.

His misguided loyalty has lead the team to see that he fears saying anything against Whyte and is therefore coming across as a yes man.
Walter Smith would still have had us on course for 4 in a row, irrespective of what is going on behind the scenes.
Whyte needs to get rid of McCoist before the whole club identity goes down the pan.
The job is calling for a fighter with the nature of Brian Clough and my choice would be either Jim Jeffries, Billy Davies or David Moyes and get rid of the hangers on, scouts,hospitality ex players who are all in their own way draining the clubs resources.. Whatever the outome of the tax case, we need changes and we need them now. Give us something to shout about and get the bums back on the seats before it is too late.

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How would you entice these potential managers you mention? What is it, today, that will SELL our club to them?

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Jeffries and Davies are available and would probably accept short term contracts with promise of talks at the end of the season. Moyes would be an interesting coup given that he was a Celtic man, but the prestige of managing an old firm club would sway him.

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Billy davies

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Moyes! are you mad?leave the premiership for this crap up here?

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Davie Moyes was a Celtic player but was actually a Rangers supporter as. Kid growing up....just for the record!

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06 Feb 2012 16:56:41
Broxi bear, flag bearers, kiosk workers, ball boys, etc that will be next no been paid get a f...... Grip.

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What happened to broxi bears family? cut backs

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06 Feb 2012 16:46:04
for rangers to go forward mccoist needs to start playing wylde on the left drop either papac or wallace and at right back take bartley out and replace him way rabiu afolabi or another young boy and up front wee should play way two strikers up beside each other not one droping away into midfield they wer miles apart yesterday and i would give these lad a chance freddie espling.jamie burrows
two young strikers that would be good for us

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Sorry, but Wylde is not the answer. He is a terrible excuse of a player - plenty of pace but can't beat a man, crosses are terrbile most of the time. I hate the fact we have players out of position....but Papac was still better than Wylde yesterday at left midfield.

I read the Celik prefers to play on the left...would rather give him a chance there with Aluko on the right...but Wylde is most definitely not good enough.

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If the 1st team are gonna play like that then i'd rather ally played more of the youngsters who might give a sh*t and try and win.

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Wylde is a joke for a player been found out Last season was okay for a few weeks because of his pace but defender got wise and just double up. He cannot beat players or can he cross a ball/have seen better Amateur players and just why coaching staff deem him as worth the contract he was given last season perhaps confirms that they have a problem recognising decent players at Murray Park.

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Mccoist never players in their right postions anyway

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Every1 slates wylde at the end of the day ar wallace an papac producing it i would say no that side is a shambles an the same way right right back so either go way wylde or celik but we need players with pace and that can go past there man with 1 of the young boys burrows or espling up front or maybe even both

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06 Feb 2012 16:34:34
There is a rumour that McCoist has twice been talked out of walking away from Rangers twice in 7 days by Craig Whyte.

I for one believe it, I think Ally cannot stand this wee tadger Whyte and working alongside him is proving impossible.

Time to walk away Ally before that big vein your head bursts.

Whyte, get it up ye!

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They both should go & take smith with them.butch wilkins is looking for a job

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06 Feb 2012 16:20:48
Just like everything surrounding Rangers at the moment this page is depressing.

Billyboy1

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Bad now? Wait till we start losing games in the league. It's a foregone conclusion that is going to happen if they play like they did yesterday.

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I know mate it's not looking good

Billyboy1

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Billybhoy1 I feel all you bears pain and to cheer you all up from the doom and gloom have a smile on me (not my joke copyright Big Irish Mac)
Warning: if you get letter in post offering free tickets to Ibrox. DO NOT OPEN it as it contains 2 tickets to Ibrox LOL Timalloy

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06 Feb 2012 14:18:36
Ally is quoted as saying I wont bring in anyone who i dont think can go into the team and improve it or better the squad i dont think there is any point-----Should this not read I cant bring anyone in that can go diretcly into the team as we dont have any money? and even if i manage to get rid ogf 5/6 players in Jan i will only get one new player in who wont be good enough to go straigh in to the team but will be as good as others like Bedoya and Ortiz---stop talking nonsense Ally--we all know where your heart lies and we all know what you did for this club,but it is becoming tiresome listening to these quotes,and while you might have to play the party line to suit your employer (Craig Whyte) who says he hasd a plan to do with the tax case, just be totally honest and tell the supporters that you dont have the budget to go out and sign anyone.

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For the sake of his reputation Ally has to put distance between himself and Craig Whyte. His integrity will be questioned if he keeps towing the party line while Whyte gambles with RFCs future.

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Trouble is we're outside of the Transfer window, so who are these fantastic players then that are available for free??
There is a reason why there avaiable for free, as most of them are worse than the dross we have got.

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06 Feb 2012 14:15:05
for ally see tommy burns. legend at there clubs
then made manager while inexperienced at the
level needed for a club the size of gers/them.
ally should step aside and leave whyte to get
an experienced boss . lot of managers out of
work throughout britain. ps kyle bartley must be
worst player i have seen, no wonder young lad
went to the pars

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Tommy Burns was pretty succesful at Kilmarnock before comming to Celtic and did not too bad.

David

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Tommy burns had more points on board than wim jansen won leauge,its just your luck of how competition does,if ally was any kind of man he would admit he aint got what it takes

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Tommy was a good man-manager as well. He could get the best out of his team - Walter is the same. Not sure if Ally has learnt this trick yet. After watching yesterday's performance i think not, they were bereft of ideas and lacking confidence throughout. The trouble with the club is now spilling out onto the park, and if Ally can't motivate his team to concentrate on the football.... yesterdays result will become the norm not the exception.

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Tommy went a whole season undefeated how can you compare Sally to him
RIP TB
Welshbhoy

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To the guy saying Ally should admit he isn t up to it.......................great idea, just QUIT. I am sure Ally was not a quitter as a player.

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But Celtic played good football under Tommy Burns. I can take a few years without winning the league as we're going through a tough time, as long as we we play proper football, bleed the youngsters, have a system in place, etc.

pappy

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He won nothing but praise

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06 Feb 2012 14:05:41
Within all the doom and gloom and rightly we cannot ignore the financial aspect as it now is key to everything,but at the same time at little cost,the club has to accept that there are other issues that leave lots of questions. 1 Why do we continue to fail to produce any strikers at Murray Park? 2 Why when we do produce any young players are we not prepared to really give them a chance at first team level (well aware that Charlie Adam was subject to some of the boo brigade-perhaps now they may realise they would be better to support home grown talent) 3 Just what kind of scouting system do we have in place? just who in their right mind came up with the suggestions of signing Bedoya/Ortiz/Merven because despite limited appearances it really is not too difficult to figure out if a player in effect is any good and these guys offer very little 4 Is Gordon Smith the culprit when it comes to the club discussing new players. 5 Total bad management from throughout the club at the start of the season re lack of ability to sign players properly,David Healy should never have been resigned and the club should have brought in at least one decent striker in thr summer,and come Jan with all the savings via laon signings out and David Weir salary preserved the nect business should have been another striker to cover for Jelavic ( Merven brought in but not really needed) Questions have to be asked just exactly what in the hell is going on at this club,because it is a joke,and supporters have the right to be angry.we are the paying customer.

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Murray Park is an absolute joke the money we paid week in week out to help produce home grown talent has just been one massive conn

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Aye but we keep sending them out on loan or selling them.give them a chance

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06 Feb 2012 13:58:20
Should sign arne friendrich he is a free agent, is versatile & has vast experience....maybe a bit of a punt but one i would rather take over a unknown player.
As for people saying john fleck woulda made a difference on sunday...what a lot of crap! John fleck looked a great prospect a few years ago but hasnt developed...everytime av seen him he just doesnt look good enough. Should be focusing on the 16 & 17 year olds at murray park...no 20 & 21 year olds that we still call kids which in world football terms there established players at 21

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Arne Friedrich is a Centre Back.
We need a right back & a couple of strikers!
What are you talking about?

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We should sign this player &this player there all on free contracts bla bla bla have you no been watching the goings on a ibrox we wont be signing nobody theres no fecking money end off

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Are you a resident of this planet? ...where have you been, gers have no money to spend, hence the farce with those they brought in on trials.
You don't bring all those players here and treat them the way we did. Maybe Ally was of the understanding he was being allowed to get some of these players and Whyte was playing silly b*ggers to kid the fans on (and Ally), when he had no intention of giving these players contracts. Smoke and Mirrors........

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Friedrich did actually play right back for the entirety of Germany's 2006 World Cup involvement. I think we can count him as a right back too. So the original poster has a point. The first guy to reply is himself talking mince.

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06 Feb 2012 13:49:15
Does anyone know the timescales to when we can expect Lafferty Whittaker and everyone else we have out injured back in action?

Also now that it looks like we're going to be playing one game per week dependant on how league fixtures pan out does anyone else think Ally should be looking to get McCullloch back playing in his old position when he was with Wigan and Motherwell. We desperately need a tagetman up front and from memory big Jig done quiet well in an attacking position for his former clubs and could be a potential solution if he can keep himself fit.

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2-3 weeks for both

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06 Feb 2012 13:47:19
If we want further proof that things are bad,or was it good planning because the club knew the stadium would only be half full or is that half empty as one of the main food service counters in the main stand was closed at the game on sunday,no truth to the suggestion that the staff were down on the park having trials to see if any of them resembled a striker

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Even if they were, Whyte wouldn't give them a contract. He would mess them about for a week and say sorry, no can do! Ally is trying to do his best, but he is fighting with one hand tied behind his back, or maybe that should be both hands now. Whyte should come clean and tell us right away what is going on with the finances and let us know what mess David Murray has really left us in. Notice Murray is keeping a low profile and the papers aren't asking questions about his part in all this. That will no doubt have something to do with his pals high up in media circles not wanting to offend him.

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06 Feb 2012 13:33:26
if £33m was set aside from his own wealth for this deal, as he claims, if the £24m from Ticketus went into Rangers’ bank, add in the £9m that was lying there from season ticket cash already banked, throw in Madjid Bougherra’s £1.8m and Charlie Adam’s sell-on clause of £900,000, then that’s over £68m in terms of incomings

Read this in the evening times today, this is being reported constantly and we as supporters really need answers. WHERE IS ALL THE CASH MR WHYTE. Off shore awaiting administration!!!

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Here is the full article

By DARRELL KING

Share 6 Feb 2012

IT’S time for Rangers fans to play the numbers game … and they must look beyond the most obvious statistic they awoke to today: That two out of this season’s three domestic trophies are gone after their meek Scottish Cup capitulation at home to Dundee United.

Look beyond, too, the fact that they have won just one of seven cup ties this term when European action is considered; that they have blown a one-time 15-point lead in the SPL over Celtic, who must now be short odds to romp to a Treble.

Those are the numbers attached to the football fall-out. However, as the embattled manager, Ally McCoist, said before the United humbling which was, significantly, watched by fewer than 18,000 supporters: Does what’s happening on the pitch really matter any more?

Given the way just about every one of those in blue hid yesterday, it’s not inconceivable that is the feeling in the Rangers dressing room. This looked like a bunch of players who had seen one headline too many, and chucked it.

It also looked like a group who, if truth be told, are bereft of real quality as a result of asset-stripping without adequate replacements. And those who do have anything about them, have lost it. But, again, that’s not where the Rangers supporters should be training their sights.

It’s hard not to feel sympathy for a support who are in a fog of financial confusion, attempting to find some kind of clarity as to exactly how desperate and dangerous these times are for a club now into its 140th year of existence.

And, make no mistake, these are the most perilous times Rangers have ever had to face. But it is absolutely imperative that each and every one of them stops, digests what they are being told, and asks the burning questions of the man who purchased the club last May, Craig Whyte.

Let’s track it back to then, the time of the takeover. Whyte proclaimed that Rangers were ‘debt free’ when he finally sealed a deal to replace Sir David Murray as the majority shareholder.

But, inside nine months, if we are doing the sums based on what is being put out there by the owner and chairman, they are now a minimum of £42m in the red – £18m to his company, who apparently paid Lloyds for the bank debt, and £24m to Ticketus, after the income expected from 100,000 future season ticket sales was borrowed against.

And that is before the potential HMRC liability, which could be as high as £49m if they are found guilty of mis-using the Employment Benefit Trusts, with a tribunal set to announce its ruling on that lengthy investigation some time next month.

Whyte was asked yesterday if he feared a season ticket boycott, something which would, of course, put enormous strain on the Ticketus arrangement, as it is after all based on season ticket sales.

Well, yesterday his support voted with their feet. What happens if they decide en masse not to renew their season tickets? With the product Rangers have on the park right now, who would shell out up front to fund that?

This is a dangerous strategy being deployed by Whyte, and a warning came yesterday when the attendance flashed up – but it’s too late to back-track with Ticketus.

He talks of a £10m gap in funding. Was that not evident when due diligence was done? Would it not have been easier to sell Nikica Jelavic last August when more money was on the table than enter into this Ticketus arrangement, or work at getting that figure down over the year?

And exactly why is there a funding gap of that size. Rangers’ unaudited accounts to year-end June 30, 2011, showed £9m cash in the bank. Where is the Ticketus money? Are we to assume it will be in the audited accounts that must appear before March 31 in order for Rangers to be given a licence to play in Europe next season?

But, and this is based on Whyte’s figures, if £33m was set aside from his own wealth for this deal, as he claims, if the £24m from Ticketus went into Rangers’ bank, add in the £9m that was lying there from season ticket cash already banked, throw in Madjid Bougherra’s £1.8m and Charlie Adam’s sell-on clause of £900,000, then that’s over £68m in terms of incomings.

Even running at a loss of £800,000 a month, as he claims the figure is, just how can Rangers have no money and have to sell Jelavic on the cheap in what appears to be a bid to get cash in the door just to keep them going?

Whyte can, of course, clear all of this up. Produce accounts. Have an AGM. Explain why the Ticketus deal was not in the shareholders’ circular sent out detailing the financial detail of what his takeover entailed.

Rangers fans must do the sums … they must demand answers.

Ian

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The 24.4 million was paid into whytes london based business account before his takeover waas complete,we all no whats going in and doing nothing,y dont people on here no facts before posting,its time to put up or shut up

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All supporters need to stand up and be counted if we really are serious about demanding answers. Do we want to continue to suggest that all Sports Writers have an agenda against Rangers,lets get serious guys they dont,and yes they might noy have all the facts? but they have a far better chance of being closer to the truth than we do.
Really is time to get the correct answers Talk is Cheap it is about action,perhaps time the Supporters Association led by example we need some form of protest NOW

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06 Feb 2012 13:22:04
good article in back pages of evening times written by darrell king, suggest fellow supporters read this.

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06 Feb 2012 13:13:36
there is a reason ally isnt being sacked - hes a yes man. thats all whyte needs until he winds us up

ryanrfc

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Ally should walk straight to bbc headquarters and give an interview telling us the truth

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Ally isn't getting sacked because Whyte can't afford it. He can't afford to pay him a severance fee and he can't afford another manager whereby he has to pay another club a compensation fee. Catch 22.

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06 Feb 2012 12:55:21
Rusty the tim use need to listen to!!reading the papers and listening to the interviews I would say there's more story's coming out ibrox than what's in a roald Dahl book. Don't use think there's to much back stabbing between ally and upstairs.ally will be lucky to see the summer and I can't see him managing the team next year.I don't think rangers will see the summer either hehe.if use all just took a leaf out the Celtic book use would all be winners!!!the attendance at ibrox was that bad ally could have had use all on the bench it was embarrassing!another good investment ally in ceilick.the cry was please come back and it's not we are the people it's where are the people!! Hail hail rusty the tim

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Why are we surprised about CW. He has a track record of winding up companies leaving decent,hard working people out of pocket and in financial trouble.This is what hes good at and this is what hes doing just now.

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Hans Christian Anderson could not have penned a better "Fairy Tale" than the Sh*te that is coming out of Ibrox at the moment Hans McCoist and Whyte the biggest perpetrators

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06 Feb 2012 12:49:42
We are in a very bad way . Looking at team selection yesterday that was the best ally could put out sad days looking at players people are saying to sign because they don't have a club are not better what we have got . As for Whyte he can go and take a f..k to himself watp they can't take thAt away from us

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Playing papac in midfield (or wallace when it happens) does not wash with me. These 2 guys are full backs nothing more. So ally could have set his team out differently.

His team selections and tactics are shambolic, and has been since the start of the season.

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That team on paper was good enough to beat untd why they did not make up yourself

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Was Papac not signed as a centre back

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06 Feb 2012 12:44:26
If I read things correctly, somebody has to put their hand into their pocket to the tune of £10 million a year just to let the team stand still. Add , say £15 million per season for fresh signings and you are looking for someone to donate £100 million out of their personal fortune to take the club forward over a four year period .Pretty thin on the ground , this type of person.And I don't think the folk songs heard yesterday will help attract one .

Paddy Malarkey

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Paddy don't come on here and talk about songs when we could all clearly hear the songs being sung by your lot on Saturday. Unfortunately some people at Ibrox still sing songs we don't want to hear but a Celtic fan is in no position to make comment about Rangers fans, (unless he is willing to accept they do it as well) hence why I wouldn't lecture you lot because we too have a problem. And by the way your club runs at a loss as well, so your post is a load of rubbish.

GovanFR

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What songs paddy ? i was there and never heard anything banned .

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Normal nonsense from you Paddy's market, tune in to the footie just to count the songs that are sung, serious saddo. Keeping a diary?

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06 Feb 2012 12:42:36
since it has been nothing but doom and gloom on here, thought i would look for a small positive- soni aluku has been a very good signing who on the evidence so far this season is turning out to be our most important player. who would have thought it!

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Yea I'm really impressed by Aluko. Good pace, skill and can shoot. I'd get him on a long term deal because he is still young and could be sold for a good profit after a while.

GovanFR

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06 Feb 2012 12:42:22
you win some ,you loose some,but if you stay together.you will be stronger,dont let the team down when they realy need you.rangers will always be here. w.a.t.p.

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06 Feb 2012 12:24:34
to all the fans who call for the McCoist to leave and for Davis to be dropped as captain a) who do you suggest/think would want to come to this shambolic state of a club and b) who is more suited to the role of captain (possibly mcgregor i suppose) but other than that there is no one that would take the tam by the scruff of the neck and hoof them in the arse into gear!! ed plese post as I am very interested to see what the so called fans think.

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Total agree with everything you say m8

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Bocanegra for captain

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I'm afraid things are going to get much worse-Its true that the previous regime is to blame however Cw is much worse. He has a track record of winding up companies leaving decent,hard working people out of pocket and in financial trouble. He's been banned as a company director for 10 years or so and will not properly explain where the advance season ticket money has gone!. We need to wake up and smell the coffee-this guy has seen a business opportunity where he can make some money and who cares if the company goes to the wall?- It's what hes skilled at.

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You mean hoof their arses into gear in the same way as Davis does when they are flailing on the park?.........oh hang on, that's right, that never happens!

When can anyone ever say that since Davis has been captain they have seen him lambast someone or take them to task when they make a mess of it on the field? Never! I have never once witnessed him go mad at someone, or give them encouragement! He is a captain only in terms of wearing an armband, he is not a natural leader!

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If davies continues like this his rangers career will be over soon

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Bocanegra for captain - Jim Jeffries to replace McCoist

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McCulloch for captain he seems the only one that has a ruthless streak and he can lead the line as a target man as DJ done in the past although role reversal

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Bocanegra for captain and billy davies,terry butcher,or derek mcinnes for manager

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Davis is not captain material, not Rangers material either. He is a player who is good when things are going well on the field but he hides too much, cant pass worth a toss and is too light on the ball. CW - Sell Davis also and get someone else in.

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06 Feb 2012 12:19:00
McCoist talking about bringing in free agents. Pascal Feinduono is a free agent. If we signed him we would have 4 decent wingers in Aluko, Celik and Naismith.

However, still need to sort out central midfield and up front.

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Celtic couldn't afford this guys wages so where are we going to get the money from. I'm sick of saying this WE HAVE NO MONEY!!!

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06 Feb 2012 12:18:42
Whyte needs 2 explain 2 us fans a.s.a.p what's going on at our wonderful club if he knew he didn't av the money 2 run the club y take over its pointless if u ask me hopefully the McCool interest is true and heard Dr is close 2 joining and also there cud b an interest in cruz the former Lazio fw.N.I lad

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Who's dr?

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06 Feb 2012 11:39:23
some people shouldnt call themselves rangers supporters.when the team needs u the most u boo them and turn on the players and manager use should be ashamed of yourselfs only sing when were winning fans pfft sad.watp

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Aye ur right its much better to buy your head in the sand and just follow blindly ya tube.

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Im not burying my head in the sand but by boooin your own players how does that help?

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It makes them understand that playing like that is not acceptable whilst wearing a Rangers shirt. They get paid alot of money to kick a piece of leather around. I at least expect 100% from every player wearing that famous jersey. There are those of us, who would sell our grannies to play for Rangers...i expect no less from the players.

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Well said that man

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06 Feb 2012 11:38:21
to the gers fans stop greetin my carpet is ruined.things can only get better. w.w.t.p.

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06 Feb 2012 11:37:14
We really are lacking leaders just now, both on and off the field. We need someone to step up, especially with Davies being as poor as he is now.

And just another small point of interest, the players wee loaned out, Fleck and Ortiz in particular, seemed to be doing well already, fleck had a good match against Cardiff and ortiz scored the winner for Almeria, whilst our players we have couldn't bloody create any chances.

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06 Feb 2012 11:35:23
Yesterday proved my point that McCoist simply does not have it.

HE was naive against Falkirk and we got knocked out.

HIS tactics and team selections were very questionable and key in us losing our 15 point lead.

And HE, yesterday, I don't even know where to start.

I love Ally, he's a Rangers legend. But I am realistic, and sadly I just don't think he's cut out for the job.

Steven.

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Watched the game yesterday and i have to ask 1 question why do they play Healy up forward on his own and then fire ball's into the air and hope that he can beat the 3 defenders in the air,doesn't make sense.

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06 Feb 2012 10:24:02
What murry + Whyte are doing to our great club is killing us their ripping the heart out of us .watching this is like a death in the family . Trust me a know lost 2 loved ones this year this hole mess is a joke . As for ally he's not got a clue . He is a legend to us walk away ally with your head held high you tried your best but your not getting any support from above ... Kingbilly boy

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06 Feb 2012 10:18:07
Just incase any of you bears missed it on Deadline day here is the number again.

08457 909090
Samaritans

They await your calls.

Jungle Bhoy.

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Gers fan here,i would not top myself for any football club,your snide comments are not wanted on here,lifes more important than any football club,especially yours,get a life .....trueblue......

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Well they helped you out junglebhoy, so they must be good. Put that number in your mobile 3 yrs ago and used it annually in May? you can speak about it. Don't delete it!

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06 feb 2012 09:15:14
mccoist must go. has not got a clue on who to pick and where to play them.
2 - 0 down in a cup tie and takes off only fit striker we have got.
ratings fo yesterdays game
mcgregor 2 nowhere for the goals
bartley 1 lucky not to be sent off
papac 3 tried a little
goian 2 slow and at fault
bocanegra same a goian
edu 0 not even worth a point
davis same as edu
cellick 0 waste of money
wallace 3 little effort
healy 2 only fit striker god help us
aluko 5 only one that resembles a footballer

wylde 0 never make a winger
kerkar 0 hopeless
little 0 says it all

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Think your being generous with the ratings never mind we will soon have lafferty the donkey back

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The players at the manager's disposal are simply no good enough. See yesterday, if you had given Huston the option of swapping his eleven for hours before we started, do you think he would have taken it?!? Says it all quite frankly. Taking off Healy (only chance of a goal really) with twenty to go sums it up. Unfortunately Healy cannot run now, Little can, but probably wouldn't score if he got a chance. Make your choice: someone who can run, or someone who can score a goal. Unfortunately what one really needs is both qualities! Utter shambles! Almost laughable. I don't care what the state of the finances is, for a club the size of Rangers, this really is a joke. All the "nae heart"/ Ally hasnae got it bit is all very well, the truth of it is: the players they have are just nowhere near the minimum level of what is required,

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06 Feb 2012 08:54:21
Cant beleive people are still wineing bout craig whyte, how many of you would put money into the a club without any knowledge of where the future lies of the club. Until this tax case is over we more than likely wont bring in anymore players, there is a meeting today with white and shareholders so a little more info may crop up about whats going on.
All the boo boys out there are jumping on a guys back who is so far trying to get the club out of a hard place. These problems cant be adressed by throwing money at them, they will need to be stripped back and built upon, whats whyte done that folk arent happy about, that they have concrete evidence on, and not read out of the tabloids??
He sacked the board which in my opinion was the right thing to do, these people were the brunt of the problems we are having, and also until the whyte takeover kept our little tax problem to themselves. Whyte has came in and told the fans the truth of the financial debts and a lot if people think that these debts werent in place until whyte came in.
We all need to wake up and come to terms that we are in trouble, and i feel as if this is rubbing off on the players now more so when they walk out onto the pitch to a half empty stadium, not very supportive is it? In these times we need to get behind the club not turning up to games in demonstration is probably the worst thing our fans can do right now.
Until we hear something legit about where the club is going, people should still keep beleiving. I really hope that after this tax case that a whyte's plans save the club and then enjoy seeing a lot of whyte haters eat their hats.

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Did you jump for joy when the "billionaire" took over? you cant believe good PR and rage against bad PR. his big problem is secrecy and lies.has his lawyers issued any legal notice against the BBC? he has a track record of winding up companies leaving decent,hard working people out of pocket and in financial trouble.the mess at your club is the fault of the murray regime,no doubt of that,but he is now the owner of rangers and seems to have adopted the same secretive stance he always has.if your shareholders ask the right questions and demand answers things might be a bit more open in future.the crowd yesterday must have scared him having sold 3/4 years of ticket money. green jhedi

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06 Feb 2012 08:28:02
Poor ally , he has waited for his time to come as manager of his great love . Only to discover that he is not up to the job , go now with some dignity .
I was hearing he now has the worst record of any manager in the clubs history . Really feel for him but think it would be best for him and the club if he walked , cause mr white will sack him sooner than later .

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Whyte could not afford to sack any one
let lone mcoist

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I agree mccoist should walk away and tell us whats been going on behind the scenes.

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If he goes there will be a big test for mccoist.if he gets a pay off will he sign the confidentiality clause which will almost certainly be included,or will he go with no cash and spill the story? green jhedi

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I think ally would leave and forget the pay off he doesnt need it.

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Dont kid yourself mate,mccoist never was in the mad money years but i doubt he's a multi millionaire.got a lot of kids n that costs hard cash.knock back a six figure pay off? i doubt it..green jhedi

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06 Feb 2012 08:24:46
Read all Allys comments about yesterday, when will he admit that we dont have players good enough to win games, when will he say about Kyle Lafferty the answer "not in my knowledge" about being sold clearly says to me something is going on behind his back and then to say things could get worse, FFS how worse can it get, the team yesterday was the worse I have seen in forty five years of supporting Rangers. Ally was a legend for Rangers and this current situation will tarnish his reputation with supporters. And to spout all this about bringing a new player in if needed and if I go to Craig. Grow some Ally and say how it is stop being Whytes puppet you'll get my respect if you do!!

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06 Feb 2012 08:03:20
Over £400 quid for 18 s**tey spl games no friendlys,Europe, cup games I well worth it.

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I know how you feel, i paid twice as much, and luckily i avoided that dross yesterday as i was working.

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06 Feb 2012 07:59:32
Ally is kidding him self if he thinks that lot can win the league their is nothing their . Then he's in the papers saying their is free agents he's looking at . If their that good why have they not clubs who's kidding who ally ... Kingbillyboy

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06 Feb 2012 07:46:01
I fear mccoist is another John greig a legend but when it comes to managing he's well out his depth keep your dignity ally walk before your pushed.

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Mcoist in same postion asgrieg
no cash,no heart in team,players not getting achnce to show what they can do
tic are now odds on to win treble
so can not even make a cheeky wee punt their

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06 Feb 2012 04:33:00
The amount of people slating mervan celik is astonishing. The boys played about 50 mins of football in 2 month, he's just moved to a foreign country, new team, new team mates and it's no as if he was the only player to have a shocker today. You can't expect the boy to come and start running games from day one. Too many supporters are too quick to judge and then get on players backs after a few bad game e.g. Mo Edu. So get a grip of yourselves, get your head out from the 90's and get behind the team as these are dark days ahead and they need all the help they can get.

CMDG

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I agree with what you're saying but celik did have a shocker. Wen he got the ball he didn't seem like he wanted to take a man on. He Jst kind of jogged with the ball n seemed happy to get a throw off one of their defenders

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He should get the hang of it soon everyone knows you don't get any time on the ball up here and it will vtake time to adapt

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06 Feb 2012 04:06:45
To the many Celtic supporters that post comments on the Rangers site, how many of you have a season ticket for your own club.

Some of the comments have a element truth behind them (green jedi) but for the rest, you just keep repeating the same old crap over and over, at the start it was a joke, but if you keep telling the same joke and dribble to many times, it starts to become really boring.

Its time to take the hint, move on, worry about your own club for once. Your own team is far from perfect, i seem to remember that it wasn't that long ago that some Celtic fans was wanting Neil Lennon fired.

If your going to keep posting comments on the Rangers site, at least post them in the Queens language instead of 'ned' language.

Das Shadow

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@das shadow; thanks.i never once wanted lennon to go as i think managers need at least three years to fully make a team their own.i do think mccoist has made mistakes(as did lenny) but young managers will do that.i also feel he's getting it rough from whyte as he could be more open re transfers as they seem to contradict each other at every turn.if i was a ger i would not read any tabloids and demand your supporters assoc ask whyte some real searching questions.thats all real fans want,but he seems to be unable to answer a straight question. green jhedi

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Ive been told supporters association wil be allowed certain questions and look at davis gettin interviewed tapped on shoulder interview over.. we should be in force at ibrox only way whyte will listen if there is near full house rather than nearly empty, which makes us look like we really couldnt give a F88K what happens... i gave whyte time but even if we asked whyte what he had for breakfast hed twist it and coisty would say otherwiseplus i dont understand why coisty would say we still have funds for players wtf a month too late and that has pi55ed me off as i feel coisty is lying now aswell... we have to turn up in numbers to have our voice heard.... craigandbabybear

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@craigandbabybear; a mate just told me mccoist has a six figure pay off guaranteed in his contract(by martin bain) so that might explain him toeing the party line.whyte might be stashing cash in case the worst actually happens(30+m) and he can pay the total or huge percentage of the sum due to HMRC. mccoist seems to be hinting at that,but the lies about holt being keen to come to ibrox are stupid,did they really think the truth wouldnt come out? if your assoc are only allowed to ask vetted questions they should refuse and show him thats not on. hope wee babybear is keeping you busy! green jhedi

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What Rangers need to do is get the PR dept together and make it clear any statements coming out of Ibrox goes through them. That should stop these mixed comments.
Is Ally not on a rolling one year contract?

Das Shadow

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@greenjhedi cheers mate babybear keeping me v. busy, unfortunately i think ur right mate, dont know whats happenin and yesterdays game destroyed any trustworthiness between fans and management , we want answers but we need to do it in numbers... i have heard supporters assos wanted to nail whyte in a private meeting but was refused an interview until agm

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06 Feb 2012 03:15:46
Wow, Rangers have managed to go back 30 years in 6 months, maybe we should bottle it. Would make a fortune...

Riordan would be a sensible option at the moment as he knows the SPL and can score goals over the next 4 months.

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06 Feb 2012 02:32:51
Is it just me or are rangers at it? Is Whyte a patsy for David Murray?....why u may ask...well didnt murray step down before when club was £80 million in debt & put Mclelland in his place who took the flak....didnt hear from him til the downsizing was half way done then swooped back in as chairman to loud applause from fans & media alike?....Now sells club to unknown quantity in Whyte...fans are desperate for action....tax bill looming, decent players being sold etc etc......no murray to be seen or interviewed....why? Jelavic wanted to leave whyte said....but agent had mandate before xmas to find him a club?...Offer sandazza a pre contract but says ally didnt want him just now as he wouldnt add quality, but he would in the summer? Aluko pays his own way but gers linked with this & that player at £1 million? Whyte denies selling off season tickets august 2011, bans reporter who leaked the story but comes clean this week? The problem is that gers are causing more questions to be asked, smoke & mirrors with conflicting stories.....dark days ahead gers fans.....brace yourself it aint over by a long shot!!

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06 Feb 2012 02:02:31
Its easy to slag Healy, but against Motherwell with Fleck behind him, he was outstanding with the ball into his feet.....today however, they were hitting high balls to him, with Gary Kenneth marking him, it's a f***** disgrace man, the wee man might be nearing the end of his career, but service him and he'll score....but high balls all day...FFS man, at least give the guy a chance....embarassing..

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Any ability he had is long gone

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06 Feb 2012 01:59:02
Would Rangers fans be keen to help the club turn the corner and give £20.00 a month? 50000 supporters would give us 12 million quid a year. Or pay a one off £240

Ryzabear

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Not unless i knew what was happening with it , paying off a 50 mil debt with 12 mil pi55in in the wind probably cover interest

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What happened to the 50000 supporters yesterday

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06 Feb 2012 01:57:00
Celic...i'm afraid, is the new Ortiz, or is it Bedoya, or maybe McKay, whoever he is, he's another squib, no pace, and cant go past a man....you might say give him a chance....fair enough, but he aint gonna develop 'pace', how come young guys like Makay -Steven are there and we sign 'diddys' from unknown leagues, Makay - Steven was in our faces and ran all day ,showed great skill, made the first goal, and had big Bartley on toast....OH! and who did he play with last year.....AIRDRIE! Its a f**** joke man.

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06 Feb 2012 00:35:29
Loads of problems 1 Old board totally responsible for potential tax debt under the stewardship of SDM
2 We have the ex chairman Alastair Johnston trying to convince the supporters that the tax case was not a problem for Rangers Football Club it was the responsiblity of SDM parent company. 3 Martin Bain despite being part of the old Board still maintains he wants money from the club. 4 Craig Whyte tells the supporters that the money he borrowed for the next 4 seasons ticket sales was not used to fund the purchase of the club--well where is it them? 5 During the transfer Window we start out hearing from Ally that Jelavic wont need to be sold 6 Then it is about pairing a new strikers with Jelavic 7 When we do sell Jelavic we are told two different stories one being that Jelavic told Ally he wanted away the other being that Ally states that is not the case 8 We bring in numerous Trialists that we cannot afford to pay or sign 9 Ally claims great opportunity for the young players to step up to the plate. 10
One slight problem with number 9 we have managed to get rid of 4/5 of them 11 within the club we dont have any strikers (sorry D Healy might support Rangers but he is past his sell by date) and the so called Murray Park has failed to produce any stikers for numerous years. 12 No one for sure seems to know who really was responsible for some of the signings 13 The club may be professional in Name but is not being run in a Professional Manner 14 No doubt there are loads more items that could be mentioned such as Gordon Smith's role? or just exactly why even at the game on Saturday the Dundee United players were technically more comfortable on the ball and that includes young Scottish players who get a chance at that club. In an earlier posting a supporter suggested it was time serious questions were asked as to just exactly what is going on at the club,and when will someone tell the truth and sort out what is a total mess.
And oh yes i was supporting my team on Sunday and will continue to so but enough nonsense the lies and the lack of transparency cannot continue.

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Cant disagree pal i,ll add one more think the constant asking for new players has to stop and i think will under whyte,looks if the side aint good enough it will need to stay that way for a wee while,looks like the introduction of young boys into the side will need to change to just cant go on this way there has to be big changes and ally is no more than walters clone.what a waste of young talent our club is ,its a sin..........les

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Good post mate. Good to see somebody who can talk a bit of sense on here. I don't understand how this Murray guy is getting away so lightly. He screwed you's for years and now you guys have to pay this bill he has left behind. This WHYTE guy has absolutely no interest in your club. He's out to make a quick buck. At the end of the day it's the little man that gets shxt upon. Bigirishmac

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05 Feb 2012 23:59:23
One minute we hear that due to the lack of signings its could be a good thing to be a young player at the moment,but hey Ally what have you done recently (or was it you Mr Whyte) we have seen McMillan and Bendicksen leave for good and Hutton and Fleck away on loan so really what is the point in actually making the statement.

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Its good thing being a yongster at rangers u get to leave before its to late theres only one dylan mcgeoch

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That would be the young kid that left because he was promised first team action at Celtic, he has not started a game, he made the wrong call in my eyes ..

Pete

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05 Feb 2012 23:57:21
archie mcpherson on radio today saying that he had a conversation with sir david murray who revealed that murray park was 'weighing them down'. mr murray was at the time in the process of planning for a new ibrox until dick advocaat interupted by saying forget your plans for a new stadium i need a training complex it is more important. archie also goes on about how the press were like muppets and murray would manipulate them, hence the easy ride rangers received in the press.

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Looking at things from another standpoint, I think Whyte was sold a pup.

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05 Feb 2012 23:53:27
Anyone think Merven is going to turn out the same way as Ortiz/Bedoya/Mackay and wont get used much even if we lack numbers cause although his first full game he really did not look convincing at all.
Real concern some of the players we are brining in are they all via the new scouting system

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100% Another very mediocre player, young Mckay - Steven was outstanding and he was with Airdrie last year....who recommends these guys...it's shocking man.

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Celik by name, Sellick by nature..... he's utter g@sh !!

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How do you compare McKay and Ortiz? The only game i seen McKay play he did well and hasnt had another chance since.

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05 Feb 2012 23:06:43
Ally McCoist may have been a playing legend but he's a duff manager. He's not got the ability to change things or lift a team. You can rant about lack of strikers etc but selling jelavic doesn't cause our defence to crumble the way it did. Bartley at right back is not working so why let Jordan McMillan go. We are crying out for width n movement n he plays papac on the wing( I like papac but as a left back) why not go with wylde or Wallace at a push. We are also dieing fir someone other than aluko to take the ball n have a run again John fleck couldve possibly done this. Who sanctioned there moves. Our midfield is terrible and yet Hutton gets recalled from what I'm led to believe a very suuccesfull loan at partick to be then shipped out again whilst we struggle. Surely Mackay cannot be worse than celik edu Mcculloch and let's be honest lads Davis to recently. McCoist is not good enough. Even all this fake shirt n tie nonsense. Where is the ally that had the tites on with shorts last year kicking every ball. That's right he's doing a Walter n sitting in the stand polishing his loafers. Ye may hate Lennon but he's there in the front line kicking everything his players are. If this was any other manager he'd be away. Could you possibly check allys stats to leguens ed n post them up. {Ed001's Note - if I could find up to date ones I would, I know they were fairly similar a while back.}

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