Rangers Banter Archive May 06 2014

06 May 2014 17:54:12
Boards statement an insult to every rangers fan. If you give a pledge to 1972ltd and not to the club your in it for your own gain and not a real fan. This a behave like good little people statement this board can go fuxx itself we willl make our own choice a cun is nothing without fans. We deserve some respect.

I don't think your interpretation of the statement is correct. The individuals to which they refer are not the fans and I think they will hold on to the deeds, no matter the outcome of season ticket sales. King's brinkmanship tactics will come back to haunt us.

Nothingbutthetruth rangers stated in the high court today if the season ticket money falls short the instuitional investers wil lend money for the club to survive secured against murray park and ibrox you have took there statement in the wrong context dave king would gain by using fans season ticket mfor his own ends I have warned for long and weary king has started taking the club down the road to extinction because if the finances don't improve the lenders can call up the loans and that's the end of rangers king knows full well that they cannot agree to his terms so if there are bears out there thinking of following dave king when it all goes pear shaped the demise of our great club will down to u and your actions and remember king has not a penny to lose he has not one share in the club he can throw out chalenges etc knowing he has nothing to lose so please think on before u go any further down the slippy slope

@1. These statements are always worded in a way that they can deny whatever meaning is taken. However, look at Alasdair Lamont's comments from the court today to see exactly what the board think of the fans

Mr Summers QC says Rangers wish Union of Fans would "go away to allow the club to move on".

Steddy whatever I s stated in the hihg court about fans groups it does not alter the fact that king has started taking the club down a road that could lead to extinction I have argued long and hard its the wrong route why can't we hire keith jackson to mastermind the purchase of the shares that's needed to gain control he stated that he thought that the bandits would do a deal for about £6m and run now if hearts can raise substantial monies (with no disrespect to them) we a massive support world wide which surely raise enough funds over a period of months structured to buy x amount of shares per month this is something that can be done without tearing the club apart and something everyone can be invoved in £20/30 per month from each fan would raise the money in amatter of months anyone going to join king should think long and hard about what damage there actions could result in with absolutely no chance of winning or go down the rote of certain victory by allowing keith jackson to deal with the instiuitional investors to buy there holdings please think about this before irrepairable damage is done

Steddy, The wording is very clear about the board's intention and who they hold responsible. I for one agree and I know many that hold the same position. That is regarding 'the protest mob' as they don't represent me or many other fans.

Billyb on the same length of string the protesters represent me and many other fans

Billy how can you blame the protest mob they've not caused any problems in the 1st place. Rangers right now is a Rat Ship!

@4 & 5) You make good points lads. The fact is though, that the UoF, whether they represent you or not, DO reflect the views of a sizeable number of fans. The board should be trying to smooth the trouble, not exacerbate it. (My opinion only)

As to the fans buying the club, lbj d; absolutely, that has to be the future. I don't understand the desire to hire Keith Jackson though. He may have written an article about the willingness of certain shareholders to sell, but using him to lead such a purpose seems, to me, to be bizarre

But the 1972 LTD don't take any money its a pledge until the fans who agree get what we want. Our fans have shown amazing loyalty why shouldn't the club hand over its assests to the fans who are the best custodians. After the amount of crap we have put up with I think its the least we deserve in order to know whatever happens it won't be torn down to make way for office space or a supermarket if this board continues to fail. Wake up people nothing has changed this board are still in there robbing the coffers Wallace 100% bonus and £25k increase how many season tickets is that to pay his salary alone. The more fans I speak with the more say they are done, they wish to remember the club for its former glory than to be part of this sharade and I am begining to agree with them.

Tmwnn, Yes it is a matter of who you agree with and it would be interesting to know the actual %age of each level of support.
Larky, you are correct about the 'Rat Ship', but the current board did not get us in the position we are in now. I question the methods being used by the protesters and also the sole direction of the protests. You recently made very valid comments about losing our young players and bringing in 'has beens'. Why do the protesters not re-direct some of this to the manager's failings.
In my opinion, before looking to freshen the squad he should be securing the future of our young players with potential. The standard of our play and tactics have been, to say the least, sub-standard.
He looks to be clueless about wage budgets and probably doesn't know what scope he has for the coming season. [ e. g. saying players are not in his plans for next season is not off-loading them, unless they are out of contract. ]

Billy I do agree mate & I don't think Dave King is the answer. You are correct the answer lies with us & the only way back is by lowering our standards immensely. Forcing out high earners e. g. G Wallace, Ally, Black Cribari. What good are any of them doing for Rangers right now anyway other than vastly shortening our lifespan with no real investment or revenue lined up in the future. If we have just a few experienced players & a mainly youth team stick around the championship or lower levels of SPFL for a few seasons I'd like to think the loyal fans would stick by the team. We all want transparency & to live withing our means but I don't think the majority of fans could handle not winning & not spending money on useless foreigners or journey men. We need too save some money & invest when the times right while growing a young team built for success eventually. Hard decisions need to be made but us as a support just could not handle them because of who we are & where we think we should be. Sad thing is this should have been the way forward 2 years ago the chance is missed & our expectancy for the club is going to kill it for a 2nd time & probably for good. Isn't it obvious that scouting should have been a main priority the wages we have paid Ally his back room staff & Players like Cribari Peralta & Black could have got us some of the best scouts & youth coaches in Europe. The only way forward in Scottish Football is buying or bringing through & selling young talents.

@ 10 billyb You are correct in as much as the board as currently constituted are not as responsible as previous boards and McCoist for the current perilous position. The problem is one of perception and I would suggest in most fans eyes there is an intrinsic link between the Easdales and Green and consequently they will always be tarnished by Green's greed and piss poor governance.
It would still be scary but at least if the football was a bit better and we had a decent manager who wasn't constantly economic with the truth it would be slightly more tolerable.
Let me be the first to admit to being an Ally hater. I want that wee character out or I ain't going back to Ibrox.
He is as rotten as the worst indulgences of the boards and I cannot listen to his cr@p or watch his "tactics" any longer. Och I'm done

Keith jackson has worked the oracle at hearts and he can be totally trusted name someone else who could be

Larky and Greybear, I agree with you both, but we must target certain actions as priorities. For starters McCoist must go, to enable us to re-assess our player policy. Encourage good young players supported by some established ones and in doing so get our costs down. Yes, we would be two years late, but we are in the last chance saloon, so action must be immediate. I would listen to offers for most of our senior players, set a reduced budget that the manager has to work to and, as a priority, get our good young players on contracts. Although I disagree with current protests we must retain all of the club's assets.
Wallace must show the fans, in layman's language, how the finances are improving, but I also believe that fans buy tickets to watch the team and investors [ fans or institutions. ] run the club and therefore must retain the bulk of the information behind closed doors. Executive decisions regarding financial matters should only be completed by commercial sense and not by external pressure. The onus is on Wallace to show that we have a future, stuctured on a solid base.

Good post billyb very well said.

What king is doing could very well damage Rangers permanently.
However Wallace and McCoist are also bringing the club to ruin. Allowing Rangers fans to have high expectations of players coming in when there needs to be an exodus of at least half the players. All salaries have to be realistic with a cap on earnings at the cup of £100,000 per year for both footballing and non footballing staff. This may mean no promotion in 2015 but that is irrelevant if it puts the club on the road to a sound financial footing. Rangers cannot run to the top but it can climb and then stay up and around the top.

Billy b that's spot on but unfortunetly the die has been cast neither the board or wallace will be given any credit for anything they do

Ibj d post n2 rangers also stated at agm they had enough money to finish the season I would not believe anything that is said by current board

06 May 2014 15:00:12
hi ed, can understand why this board and the previous have gave themselves big salaries and bonuses, although disagree with it, with regards to where the club is operating at the moment within scottish football, but what benefits do they get by putting players on big contracts, can't understand what the angle on that one was. any answers anybody?boyblue!

Boy blue easy greed

06 May 2014 16:45:46
Sorry to hear that Andy Little has been released by the club he stood by the club when other rats jumped ship, he always put in a grafters shift and had an eye for goal, I know he suffered with injuries but I think he could still do a job for us. I would like to wish him all the best where ever he goes maybe at 24 he was just to young for Allys liking w. a. t. p Bluebear

Everyone they can get out is been put out. If they don't get rid of plenty more they won't be able to pay the salaries and the board. Players will come last, and first out.

I have not seen apaper or anything today who all has been released anyone know ta jist heard aboot khan on news

06 May 2014 08:33:51
We have to live within our means and that means ally must go, and a new manager who can work to a budget mc call at motherwell can get into the top 3 nearly every season on a 1/20 of Ally's overall budget. The 120 day report said the 1st team wage bill of over £10m and the rest of the football department is over£5m. Can you imagine what a good manager could do for us with a football department with say funding of £8m

Mull lad u have got it in one the unfortunate thing is the board don't realise the fact because of the level of abuse they get its time we gave macoist some pelters and maybe they will realise he is not an must have manager

Why not give duke box a year at the helm after all he knows the youngsters there good pionts and there weaknesess ide imagine he could bring right youngsters into first team to win the championship