Rangers Banter Archive October 06 2014

06 Oct 2014 20:11:06
How come rangers r the only big gun in the third roond.

All Prem. clubs are excluded from 3rd round as were Hearts & Hibs due to being in the Prem. last season.

Cheers pal

06 Oct 2014 15:23:47
I keep seeing all the talk about owners etc and just wondered, if you had the choice of any owner, who would it be?
Bill Miller?
Dave King?
Mike Ashley?
Fans?
Or would you choose a mix of the above maybe?

06 Oct 2014 17:53:28
Tough one ed.
If you had asked that a year or so ago I would've said fans every time. However, given that we have proved time and again that there is no common vision for the club I'm not sure we are capable of fan ownership. Also, there are large sections of our fanbase who unfortunately still defiantly hold on to some of the less than savoury aspects of our club. These attitudes will always hold us back in terms of our acceptance in the modern game. I wouldn't want to be a part of that. So, with all that said I reckon Ashley or Miller but in all honesty I Wouldn't know who to trust. I don't have much faith in King though. Think he's had his chance as part of the old regime and we all know how that panned out.

{Ed001's Note - it is a tough one. The fans groups are so splintered and clueless, they would scare me running the club. King just seems to be untrustworthy. Ashley only wants to flog cheap gear. I don't know enough about Miller to judge him, but he didn't seem all that bothered about the club, he seems to be more of a rugby man. There just doesn't seem a good solution out there right now.}

06 Oct 2014 18:04:48
I would be happy with Ashley the problem with his Newcastle team there fans think they are better than they r they believe they should be winnin trophies year in year oot when the truth is there a mid table team at best he would bring sucess to rangers I believe and if he makes a packet of money on flogging his cheap track suit etc then good on him

{Ed001's Note - there is more to it than that, though I do agree to an extent. They are more bothered about him taking large sums out of the club in profit, while the club is struggling on the pitch. He does have a terrible attitude towards the fans, basically sticking two fingers up to them over Pardew.{

As far as owners go dave king to me does not have clubs best interest at heart by trying to drive the the club into administration rather than make a legal takeover bill miller he was never quoted ashley has bought shares up front but i would be dubious of his connection with green the best option being a mixture of private and fan ownership total fan ownership would never work unless it was based on the way barcelona is run

{Ed001's Note - could the membership model work in Scotland?}

Ed, I think it will be difficult to shift Ashley from his current position would be impractical but definitely would not like to see him have a free run. Kennedy[ Sale Sharks. ] might be a steadying influence aided by the Sounness factor.
King has had his chance and, in my opinion, is playing us to get the club for nothing.
The most important thing is that we go forward as a unit, all with the shared interest of moving the club forward.

{Ed001's Note - I meant Kennedy when I was talking about Miller! Dammit I forgot Miller was the American guy who wanted to buy in and was thinking of him as Kennedy sorry. That was a very silly mistake to make.}

06 Oct 2014 19:38:43
I think Miller would have been perfect because he had no previous association so he would have forced the club to live within its means.

Well ed nothing has worked in recent history its got to be worth a shot its unfortunate that whyte got there first then green who from what i have been told in the last couple of days he was a biggar bandit than whyte and they were certainly linked

06 Oct 2014 21:20:03
Wouldnt it be great if all the afore mentioned (if they are interested) could all get together and take us forward .
r.f

Yes r. f. , They are all of potential benefit to our club, but the key to going forward is unity. We must have experienced business people and must be able to work as a team.

06 Oct 2014 22:27:15
Agreed billyb unity is the key . here's hoping something can happen and we can go forward from strength to strength. Ah if only.
r.f

How about Brian Kennedy and Graeme Souness?

{Ed001's Note - I realise I missed those off. Sorry. They might be the best option, thinking about it. Though I have to say, Souness may love the club, but his love of money does worry me.}

Ed001, I agree, to a certain extent, about Souness but I think in Ashley, Kennedy and him, we would have a recipe for success. Ashley for the product sales incentive [ and obvious cash resources. ], Kennedy for his track record and Souness for his football knowledge. In my opinion, Souness's ego would be the trumph card, because he would love the fact that he, if successful, would have saved us from the depths, twice. My biggest worry about him would be his connection to murray, as he must be kept as far away as possible.

{Ed001's Note - Ashley's cash resources are not invested in his companies. He continously tries to drain money out. The only reason Sports Direct are not suffering like Newcastle, is because other shareholders block his attempts to take money out of the company. You would be far more of a cash cow to Ashley than anyone else. He takes money out of Newcastle, but yet the club's debt to him is not being reduced, that should ring alarm bells to anyone!}

Ed001, Maybe so, but with a healthy, successful Rangers he will generate more profit for Sports Direct. In that way it is in his interest that he makes sure we don't go belly up.

{Ed001's Note - nothing like the amount he already gets from Newcastle though, so why would he bother with Rangers? The TV deal alone ensures profits way beyond anything he can hope to get from Rangers. Especially a Rangers in such dire need of investment.}

07 Oct 2014 13:18:04
ED01 you make it sound if Ashley is filling his pockets at Newcastle

The fact is that it cost him 130m to buy the club and another 130m to transfer their existing debts to him, when in the championship he paid 30m of that years wages out his own pocket

that's 260,000,000 he has put in and it is well documented that he is now trying to sell the club for that amount to break even

JG

{Ed001's Note - sorry but no. He paid 130m to buy the club and the 130m debt is that acquisition price. He did not pay the wages out of his pocket, the club paid all the wages. He has only put in the 130m the club owes him. But he has also rejected large sums of advertising revenue for the club in favour of slapping Sports Direct billboards all over the place. He is not trying to break even, he is trying to sell for a profit.}

Ed001, Yes, but a successful Rangers would give him the better potential of advertising his product in front of the Championship League cameras. His ideal scenario would be to keep us propped up while others ran the club. In my opinion, Kennedy [ Souness. ] would be ideal.
This way he can have Newcastle in the EPL[ while they survive. ] and the potential of Rangers in the Champions League.
Just a thought.

{Ed001's Note - it only offers better potential if the viewers are there, and the viewing figures for Rangers v someone are not that big unless they get through the group stages. Not compared to the vast numbers that watch the English league week in week out.}

ED001 - this is from NUFC blog site and all other reports out there more or less concur

"Next is line is Newcastle with £267M owed to owner Mike Ashley, but that’s a little bit misleading, because it includes what Mike paid for the club back in 2007, which was around £133M – so he loaned Newcastle almost as much again since that time.

We know he paid off £100M in existing loans to cover debt the club already had when he took over at Newcastle, and he didn’t know about because he didn’t do too much due diligence on the club, and Newcastle were paying interest on that debt.

And then for the Championship season, he paid the rest out to help pay the wages, so that’s largely where the extra £34M came from – so it seems to add up at a cursory level".

JG

{Ed001's Note - yes, so as I said, all of the money he has spent on it has been accrued in loans. He has given nothing to the club, just loaned it money he expects back.}

Ed001 cheers for every reply to posts when needed now maybe people will wisen up as to why ashley should not be involved at ibrox and i hope all the ashley supporters on here see the light