Rangers Banter Archive August 07 2013

07 Aug 2013 22:59:18
McColl has FOUR Rangers shares. Murray and Blin have none. True Rangers men eh? Is Paul Murray trying to uncover the truth using the EGM?

Op do you know what an EGM is?
Your last question would suggest that you don't
google it and do some research

if we have an EGM then there will be only one item on the agenda for this meeting, that being the resolution put forward by shareholders,

Please explain how Murray will uncover any truth using the EGM

JG

We all waant to know the truth about how the finances work

Green and co are desperate to get the fans against each other as it deflects away from them, jim mccoll does not want to buy their shares to line their pockets and rightly so, he wants egm to vote on 2 men who will get to the bottom of the finances and let us know where we stand with all areas of the club, remember no one has to buy greens shares to achieve change and they want to sell before any egm because they are going to be found out and green is banging on now about putting new board together to sort out mess but, he put the current one together and he will be trying to soft soap rangers fans into believing he is the new messiah of which I dearly hope we resist and send him and his cohorts packing. BT

@1/ An EGM is a smokescreen to get at least one person on the board who can work from the inside. Do you think there actually will be an EGM? Not a chance. Remember the last time this happened?

JG I know if may differ in ANGOLA

but see here in UK when we have shareholders meeting - all questions from the FLOOR - MUST be answered

and any shareholder - even those holding just 1 have right to raise question - and BOARD must provide answer.

Simple recording of this event (which is public and cannot be CLOSED) will catch the lies - and just ask

Who is the beneficial owner of ibrox
Are there any encumberances on ibrox deeds
How much real cash did IPO raise
etc etc etc

A list of 20 questions will nail any wrong doing - and green should welcome this if nothing to hide

Zammo

JG it costs money to host an EGM - needs to be big enought venue to hold all potential shareholders - and with fans (8000) of them on register - that's a big olde cost to stump up - and not on tic.

this is pain to board if they don't have the readies. but board MUST do it legally

anti-green faction have a plan. and it just might work

@5 things are very much different here, believe me

Zammo I admit that you have a good explanation of an AGM there

If you slow down and think before posting you will find that it is an EGM that has been requisitioned,

I believe the rules for an extraordinary general meeting are very much different from those of an AGM. I think only one topic can be discussed and that is the resolution put forward specifically for that meeting

JG

07 Aug 2013 19:54:16
Is there anyone out there who was amongst the group talking to Jabba the other night? What did he say? or have you signed a confidentiality clause in your contact?

Baybear, on clyde 1 tonight that older fella Brian witsisname from one of the supporters groups said. Walter was defo threatened with legal action and had to water down his statement or else. Apparently it has made him feel quite ill. He said that the real statement was ready for release at the start of the week but took Walter the best part of a week to revise it. This secrecy is really pissing me right off! I'm now convinced the IPO money is gone. I initially thought we would make it to the end of the season but now, thinking January, leaving a six month whole in the books. Roll on the BDO results, as the same fella on radio said there is a REAL possibility of green ending up with egg on his face regarding the acquisition of assets, like there is knowledge of something that's in our favour? Hinted at a REAL possible incrimination regarding chico?

ED, only quoting Clyde 1, NOTHING DEFINITE, the fella said this all depends on due course of police investigation. I Just want to keep every body right, that was the tone on radio as well.

Aye Ready.

If ally is such a died in the wool rangers man why dies he not take a wave cut in his million pound a year salary. The money he has amassed as a player and ass manager not to forget his role on a question of sport the guy doesn't need paid he should offer to manage the club he loves for free. Or does charity begin at home. And not the kind of charity that falls foul of OSCR rules

Maybe if you went along, you might have heard! But your 'baybear' the man of principles and 'bullsh!t'. " do this". "No wait". "Do this". " No no, I mean no no, don't do that". "Wait a minute till the RST get back to me". "Yes yes do it this way now I know what's happening". now!

Ed, sorry if my last reply was borderline in any legal way, so it's best for folks to listen for themselves. Think the Ed's do a great job in keeping us all kosha, cheers it's appreciated.

Baybear, there was a guy tonight on clyde 1 tonight speaking about Walter and confidentiality etc, He's pretty clued up as to the goings on at the club. He was on Friday too, both are at the 40 min mark. And some interesting stuff regarding BDO that you and all Bears might be interested in. Possible light at the end of the tunnel?

Keep up the faith folks

Aye Ready.

I don't listen to Clyde 1 to be honest mate. Not some stance just never have. Interesting stuff though mate, can't say I'm surprised by the legal action thing though. It was clear from the statement that Walter was trying to say something but going around the houses in order to do it. It's things like this that make me really annoyed when people become quite hateful about a man who has always represented Rangers with dignity. Fine to question his ability to do a job but some of the accusations levelled at Walter on here have been appalling. I repeat what I said before, I expect there to be a lot of people ashamed of their comments once it all comes out in the wash. I hope Walter gets back to a wee bit peace with the missus and the grandkids, he deserves no less for the sh1t he's had to deal with recently. A reluctant hero right enough

@3 ha ha, Never realised I had earned the status of having my name in 'quotes' :0) hands up, guilty of changing my mind from time to time. Surprised nobody has called me out for that before now to be honest. Anyway, what's rattled your cage anonymous caller? I've never claimed to be some kind of guru or moral compass to be followed. I'm sure your a big boy and capable of making your own decisions? I'm not your mammy! Also why would anyone 'wait on the RST getting back to me'? :0) what a ridiculous suggestion. I only started posting correspondence between me and the RST because people asked what they were doing. Let me clear this up for you. I am a supporter with opinions that I share on here. If you agree with them fine, if not fine. I make decisions based on what I feel is right at the time, nothing more, nothing less. Apologies if I've led you into thinking I would take you by hand to the promised land?

So, in reference to my original post and for the benefit of the 50 odd thousand other bears who 'weren't there'. have you any idea what Jabba said or were you not there either?

Maybe you could leave a name next time and give me the opportunity to call you up on previous opinions?

Signing off

Baybear the Omnipotent ;0)

I like you Baybear am very upset by some of the accusations on here and other websites leveled at Walter and Ally, which are for the most part fabricated in people's minds. I often have to remind myself that a few posters on here are not Rangers fans and who have only one objective, and that is to create malicious gossip and slander in order to cause unrest and divisiveness among the true supporters.

Ozzie Al

@6 Loki wouldn't worry about that so called person lol I enjoy your posts mate and people @3 are the ones I come on here to laugh at!
Baybear, I say keep it up dude, that is what is lacking at your club, someone with a open outlook as opposed to the regular knuckle dragger you get on here such as exhibit A @3!

Good luck with the fight Bb for people like you I hope your team comes out if this keek! But for posters @3 I love your pain mate!

@7 Agreed Al, the village Id10ts are all to quick to get the pitchforks out. Welcome back by the way.
@8 Cheers bud, not bothered, just found it funny how wound up @3 was :0) Reminded me of that wee angry man from chewin the fat ha ha. Can just see him furiously typing that response then launching the laptop out the window ;0)

07 Aug 2013 18:03:29
Fans need to understand one vital thing. McColl or any other businessman will not front up the kind of cash Green and his investors are looking for as the club is losing far too much money. Drastic cuts are needed and this has to be started asap. There is also issues about the stadium upgrading. Right now the club is toxic financially. The fact is Rangers are losing money but still need to spend money. It's a catch 22 situation. This all started last season by paying ridiculous wages to win the third division. It has carried on into this season. Come December Green will sell at a prearranged price to the Easdales who will gain control. Having spent their funds buying Greens shares they will enter a voluntary administration with an achievable CVA. that's why Ally has been allowed to bring in so many players to cover a points deduction and transfer embargo.

Neil Patey was very comfortable stating Rangers would run at losses year on year until it gets back in the top tier before breaking even. All stated reassuringly back at the interim accounts in February.

How will easdale gain control by buying greens shares, green only owns 7. 7%. I think the other 92. 3% shareholders may have something to say about that

JG

No one will back anyone within that board as its just too dodgey. I was speaking to a guy who stays in Greenock & said that the 2 eastdale brothers are just outright crooks. Took a rival bus company to town down in Greenock along with other things. Rangers were up for sale for rangers & no business man touched them. All that's left is 2 men ripping the arse out of it via the fans from ibrox to Murray park etc but the fans keep feeding the cause. Jim McColl isn't daft if he wanted rangers he could have bought them for less than 6m but his skint pals couldn't raise the cash to put a well funded bid together. Now green wants McColl to pay double that amount? Once green & his investors bail with there profit there will be nothing left but the bone. The Jambos & the pars done what rangers failed to do. Save their club.

Lenny

One thing is for sure you have no understanding of the present situation. Green does not own Rangers. I realise that he and indeed you do not understand this. He is a shareholder, full stop.

There are many shareholders and the institutions are unhappy with the current financial situation and with the board of directors. They want to remove the board, or several of those on the board. Jim McColl is the figurehead for those institutions and unhappy shareholders. You say they won't put up the money, put up money for what? To line Green's pockets. If this "coup" succeeds green will still own his shares. He has offered them for £14m which is 70p a share. The last time I looked the share price is 41p. As he paid 1p per share, he wants 69p profit per share, instead of 40p profit per share. Simple as that. If he could forget his ego he would realise that it does not matter who is running it, if the institutions believe there is more chance of the share price recovering if Blin and Murray are there, they will back them with more investment. If not the worry is that these institutions decide to get out even if they lose money, sell the shares and the share price and therefore the value of the company collapses.

The new McColl group will immediately get rid of those ridiculous bonuses that Green and cronies awarded themselves. £350k because the "worst Rangers team ever" won the third division, no wonder there is bugger all money left. Well the "worst Rangers team ever" made Green and the rest of his cronies plenty.

We will have people on the board who's main interest will be the success of Rangers and not how much can we make for ourselves. That's the difference.

This is not a takeover, this is a change of board. There will be no jobs for the boys, it will be best man does the job.

The worrying thing is that many Rangers fans just don't get it, the institutions will call the shots, they don't care about Rangers men etc, they want their shares to show a profit. They clearly have no faith in Green and co and if Green wins then they might walk and God help us then. We must get rid of Green and get the business run properly.

07 Aug 2013 21:49:37
Neil Patey said our cva would be accepted.

@2/ Because greens investors will pump the figure up obviously. At a guess I think the Easdales will end up with 20-25%.

Green's demand is for £14million in return for sourcing 28% of the club's shares.
This values the club - his £5.5m layout - at £50m.
You don't need to be a genius to see it isn't sensible to pay Green and his buddies such a colossal, obscene profit in the club's current state - not even if it means getting rid of him.

N3 the big investers will put more money towards the cause but not while chucky and freinds are still running show come in chucky your times up he might ever share a cell with mr white

3) Lenny, what a load of garbage. Firstly I would be very careful making statements about people being crooks. The Rangers men that wouldn't touch them, wouldn't go there because of unknown EBT case. The difference was that the Rangers men did not want to be the ones that had to put the club into liquidation which would have been the situation had BTC gone against us. The Whyte's and greens of this world wanted liquidation.

What you forget or chose to ignore is that this is not a buy out. This is demand for a change of board, more capable of running it properly. If the coup is successful green and his cronies are still shareholders, their shares can be sold whenever the price suits them. Green bought shares for 1p per share. The £14m he wants is 70p per share. The share price is 41p, so he wants a 69p profit per share, not 40p per share profit.

Your final comment sums it up, just drivel. Had Hearts and Dumfermline owed HMRC as main creditors their CVA would have been refused, so totally stupid comment.

Dunfermline CVA offered 1p in pound, Hearts is likely to be 5p, ours was 9p. Companies up and down the country get CVA accepted at far less than 9p, it is just that HMRC don't accept CVA as can be seen with Coventry City.

@4/ Where did I say Green 'owned' Rangers? I did not. It is clear to me that it is you who have no grasp of the current situation.

You can talk about 'coups' and share prices all night but that it the distraction Green wants. Rangers, in it's current form is approaching meltdown. The club is running out of money and have a stadium that needs urgent repairs. These works could run into the millions of pounds.

The club also have this season and the next in the lower divisions. This reduces income. There will be no European football for at least three years, again a vital income stream that is closed down.

You mention the Institutions. Can you say with any certainty that they are not in partnership with Green? No. They are 1p share holders. What if they entered into a legal agreement with Green guaranteeing them 25% return on their original investment? If Green can deliver this they must legally sell through him. In effect this gives Green control of their shares.

I assume by the tone of your post you think you know how these deals are structured. This is how fund management works. Remember Green brought the investors in. Do you really think he would do that without having some safety built in? A man who has been doing this stuff for years?

Paul Murray is using McColl as a stalking horse. All he is after is the proof of ownership of the assets and the expenditure. Walter Smith knows a little but cannot tell all, so far, as the legal ramifications for him would be crippling. When the truth comes out the fans will be the key. Murray knows this. The share price will have a level where Green will not allow go any lower, the level being the return to investors. If it hits that then the problems could really begin

07 Aug 2013 17:09:57
Nigel Spackman warned us about Charles Green but Duff and Phelps did not heed the warning, do not have anything to do with the Green consortium.

Duff & Phelps were working for White he told them who to sell to. Nobody else had the power to choose.

07 Aug 2013 16:52:07
To the 100 or so Rangers fans who stayed behind last night to protest and show you care about our club very very well done. To the 49 thousand odd who regularly attend games and never did a thing feel ashamed, very ashamed. You are as inept, spineless and as much to blame for what's happening to our club as the spivs.

RL1

A bit harsh maybe but it was an opportunity missed, especially against EPL opposition, any protest would have been on TV and put a wee bit more pressure on the boardroom.

But I truly believe a protest about Green/Smith etc let's McCoist off the hook yet again, he's the one we really need to get rid of, look how much he gets paid plus bonuses, then there's loss of cup revenue and then there's squad he needs to compete with part timers, can anyone give 1 good reason why he is still at Rangers?other than he stuck by us because I would stick by pretty much anything for what he's getting paid, this would only count if he did free or cheap, but the figures being mentioned are scandalous for a club losing £1m a month. McCoists loyalty is a luxury we cannot afford even if it was worth having.

Thats a bit harsh, you should feel ashamed of yourself, the fans will make up their own minds what to do. trueblue.

Some people have to work you know

Cheers P Murray.

Absolute rubbish. Support the team and although we have problems in the boardroom, placards and protests achieve nothing. Hard cash will get rid of Green and there is no one who appears to be prepared to do that. The latest group appear to want the club for nothing and they call Green's mob chancers. A bit of the 'pot and kettle' I would think. This should all be sorted out in the board room and not through the media, with everyone throwing in half-cocked 'facts'.
billyb

McCostly is the obvious initial problem at rangers. And it really is the easiest to fix at any other club in the world.
With this squad he should never drop a league game and he should only lose to Celtic in cups.

@5 green and his gang will go either by walking or getting voted out so no probs ther then the only money they'll get when the sell their shares

Green does not own Rangers he is just a shareholder, we must support McColl in his attempt to get some responsible people on the board, people that will make decisions based on what is best for the club, and at the same time make sure salaries are paid at current market rates for a similar post, £500 k for CEO way over the top. MCoist's salary way over the top, I could go on. All decisions must be for the club not vested interests.

@6. And that just about sums up your football knowledge. Sorry to break it to you but teams lose sometimes. Good teams bad teams great teams and world beaters. They all lose some games. Rangers will lose some league games. As will Celtic, man u Barcelona and bayern m. It matters not who should and shouldn't lose games. It's football and it will happen. has done for decades. Football is played on grass with differing conditions and circumstances. Always has been this is why we love it.

Be afraid be very afraid lol, calm down RL1, were all hurting as much as you but unless you have a few million down the back of your armchair not a lots going to change, just got to keep supporting the club as best as we can and hope mr mccoll and Murray step up and see what happens

07 Aug 2013 15:39:34
I read green saying put up or shut up, and 14million pounds is the price he, ll walk away for. I know his consortium steped up when we were in trouble and I, ll always ge glad they did but they had a long time plans, grab as much money and run. He is very clever at saying the right things at the right time and we lapped it up myself included. I thought the best signing Green made was to get Walter onto the board because every rangers fan knows he loves our club and would not do anything to harm it.
I trust Walter if he has walked its because there is something going on in the boardroom that's not right and if he backs McColl then his consortium is the best for rangers football club and the fans.
McColl is not stupid nor tight he rightly will not pay for something thatis not able to show where all the financial deals and movements have been done.
Green comes back after the season ticket sales are over 34,000 even Ally's said that's not coinsidental but just an extension of the plan of Green and his consortium.
Basically I trust Walter and his backing of McColl and do not trust green or his henchmen. We must get him OUT.

Ahmed's mum will have a field day if £14M lands in her account on Friday,

Foxy

Wrong. Green said he would deliver twenty million shares. He did not say he would walk away. This has been Greens forte, he is very good with words

2) wrong, Green walk away from what. He is a shareholder, if he sells his shares he is nothing. He is not the last time I looked a director. He is a shareholder the same as me, the difference is he paid 1p a share, I paid 70p a share. If the coup is successful green will still be a shareholder and can sell them whenever he wants.

07 Aug 2013 14:42:27
Ma Maw used to say if you huvnay got anything nice to say don't bother saying anything and I think there should be more positive notes on here supporting Ally and mark my words Ally will come through with the goods, a mean who else is out there that would do a better job and please don't say Terry Butcher Billy Davies, Derek Adams they are NOT any better than Ally so behave yourselves and get behind Ally show your support! Isn't that what real supporters do through thick and thin support the Team The football Team. I do take on board that he has to get it right this season even with the embargo and I have no doubts what so ever Ally will get it right so come on guys more positives! and if no don't BOTHER Saying ANYTHING unless of course you come from the other side of the city. Lee.

OP You are a mug!

Without a single shadow of a doubt, 100 percent, those 3 managers you mentioned are better than Ally McCoist.

Ally has achieved absolutely nothing in 3 years with the second biggest budget in Scottish football. Not even a cup final. If your counting a 3rd divisions title against part time plumbers and joiners you are so deluded its not even a laughing matter, you simply need help.

Butcher has reached semi finals and won Scottish first division titles.

Derek Adams had won titles at higher levels than the 4th tier and got to cup finals with Ross County.

Billy Davies has taken teams to the Premiership and proven himself at much higher levels than McCoist.

All on smaller budgets than McCoist has had in his time at Rangers.

Deluded mate, blind and deluded.

Marbella Bear

You didn't mention him But I'm afraid to say it from one of Ally's biggest fans S McCall Is twice the manager Ally is. That goes for Davies also. It's not problems in the background that have given me this opinion if you've ever sat close enough to him at Ibrox you will know the guy is completely clueless when it
Comes to managing a team. His tactics are outdated this is league 1 man should have started last season. Teach them how to keep the ball on the ground work for each other on & off it make the runs pass it round teams our superior quality & fitness would show I'm certain of it. If we played that way then we would completely dominate possession create more chances & would not get caught on the counter as often. When you see the space we have when u sit high up at Ibrox it's scary that we can't actually do this or even try it. It's still highballs with Black & McLeod always looking for the killer pass when the easy ball is the better option. Saying that the other players do not make themselves available as they should as it's not how they are being told to play. The majority of our goals come from Wallace breaking down the wing & then a scrap in the box. If Barca can do it to the best teams in the world surely we could have been doing it to Peterhead & Stirling. Our tactics & Philosophy Is so single minded it will never change no matter how many signings we make its been the very same since Smith came back. Ally just doesn't have it in him to grind out results when there most needed Like Walter could. Rangers have not played good football since Alukos Masterclass at Ibrox against the Tic & that was the wee man linking with Jig but making things happen on his own not Ally's Management.

Larky Bear

McCall at Motherwell spending 5% of Ally. Doesn't have Ibrox doesn't have Murray park. doesn't have 50,000 fans. Fans owned now firpark and Motherwell with fan control on board of fan employed management. Ringing any bells? A good model? No billionaires or SPIVS?

I said on here months ago even though he was untried at the time ddavie weir would have been a great shout jmgers

You are part of the reason ewe are in the state we are in now naive blind faith in the worst manager ever in rangers history. gobsmacked you muppets can see statistics ahead of fact mcoist is a wee chav like person who used to be used to be a great ranger. every day he continues in his post he destroys more of that former greatness. john grieg was a better player better manager and a much better human being he quit seeing the goings on and was sacked when he at least won some cups in top division. sack or quit please now. george

07 Aug 2013 13:43:20
Totally agree mate he is a legend and part of our great club! He might not be the best manager but he deserves a lot more respect than he gets on here, would people genuinly be happy for green to get another yes man on board to feed us lies and let's be honest green wouldn't sack his own appointment so could be a lot worse

Has Ally not told us some whoppers? WW

You must be at the wind up, Ally had so much respect from so many people. Unfortunately he is losing it at a rapid rate. How can anyone continue to respect a manager of the Glasgow Rangers who treats the fans to viewing one man up front against teams like Forfar, if he wants to keep the respect he should walk away without claiming any pay off.

And when has ally ever been straight with us?

Couldn't disagree more. He was a yes man to Whyte until the very end and was a yes man to Green. Remember he originally AGREED with Greens comment about being the worst team ever before later back-tracking the next day. plethora of ex players slamming Green for these comments right up until monday. now turns out it may have been Uncle Walter all along!
Can we expect to see Ally, Goram, Brown and Gough now coming out in the papers and slamming Walter?

I agree ally is a bad manager and would be happy with butcher or mccall, all i'm saying is give him respect he is due, we don't see behind the scenes he knows greens out to get rid of him and most of club are greens men and he is fighting a losing battle against guys ruining the club and we as fans should be by his side! His flaws are he is a poor manager and backs every person that runs rangers and i'd suspect its to keep his job but I do believe he loves the club and is out of his depth

Ally won't play 1 up front when he can play his signed players

Re 6, he has played it constantly against every level, are you saying players we are currently allowed to play are not good enough to play against current level in other formations (and god forbid entertain a little ) if so get a grip.

07 Aug 2013 12:31:32
Only at ibrox can a manager lose to forfar on Sat and get a standing ovation on the Tue, complete madness, only person winning out this is ally.

Ally last night after a draw in a friendly only wants to talk about the football, yet on Saturday when we get pumped by Forfar he wants to talk about anything other than the football. Coisty is a joke and needs to go.

Yes some fans will never see anything wrong with McCoist.

Just watched this mornings STV interview with Green. To me he is our better chance, Watch it and see what you think. McColl is not interested.

Well said. The main problems at our club is the coaching system being utilised. The majority of players (especially the young boys) are going backwards. WW

Op what does the ovation Ally got last night tell you? We all know there is a far far bigger picture in all this, Ally gives us a little bit of stability, if he was sacked or walks do you honestly think that the board (and I think we all know who will call the shots) will appoint another Rangers man like Butcher or Mccoll. Not a chance, it will be another one of his yorky con men. Or tell me i'm wrong.

I think after chucky is removed ally will be moved upstair n3 and n4 you two must follow a diffrent team from most on here

Coisty has done more to earn the respect of every true blue than any man alive (okay, maybe a dead-heat with Lord Smith of Carmyle!).

He's been fighting through the deepest adversity from both inside and outside the club - and he's acquitted himself like the gentlemanly bulldog he is, throughout.

Anyone who can't see the solid steel in the man is a complete fool - and that's why they're not capable of understanding the treasure he truly is at our club.

Silly, impressionable, fair-weather "fans"; stop listening to the wind-up merchants from the other side of Glasgow who are posting here, and get back behind those who truly love our club - for it's the hour for our support to stand up and be counted.

07 Aug 2013 11:52:38
" Be careful what you wish for, it might come true. "

I challenge anyone to watch Penny Arcade being sung at Ibrox on You Tube. It's a family and McCoist belongs to it. I'd hate to miss his antics at the dugout or listen to his interviews. He's just so darn forthright and honest. No, McCoist going doesn't fit the equation for what the plan is ahead and good to see the fans let Green know that last night. More pro Ally comments would be welcome as I expect the usual onslaught to my comment.

Antics in the dugout? Standing with folded arms while part time teams bump Rangers out of cups?

Would you hate to miss his tactics and playing folk out of position? Forthright and honest, it took him a month to the day to reply to Green's "worst Rangers team ever" comment last year but don't let facts get in your way please.

Gaz

"He's just so darn forthright and honest. " At first I thought you were being serious but after this comment I realised you were joking. Ally is a bum and as a Celtic fan you know that. Good joke though!

Gaz, you have been away for a while and there has been peace and tranquillity on the banter pages.

I think most bears will be the first to admit our club is in an absolute mess from top to bottom, Ally Mccoist on the playing front is to an extent the cause and tactically is very poor, 1 up front against Forfar a good example.

However I have always said he needs a fair run to be judged, in the last two years the club has been lurching from one crisis to the next, with him being thrust forward as a club spokesman. One month after September 1st will tell if he's good enough, his chosen team will be on the park. (if he's still employed by the club)

As for "a month to respond" come on do you shout at your boss and and tell him exactly what you think and disagree with everything they might say? PB

Like gaz I've not been on for at least two months because I was sick of reading all the crap you wer coming out with, myself and many others repeatedly told you these people were destroying your club for financial reasons. but you just would not listen or do anything about it (no mass protests or anything)time and time again they, ve lied cheated and deceived you and still you dun F all. now am back on and its still the same old sh^^te YOUR STILL BEING RAPED BY ENGLISH FRAUDSTERS. when are you going to wake up and accept the truth. the rangers you supported no longer exists, neither does their history, you are a new co with the ability to make a new start, drop the bigotry, sectarianism and everybody hates us attitude and get on with building a new team you can be proud of. there, s a big difference between blind loyalty and blind stupidity. gary.

I'm back and the eace and tranquility ends PB, jeez it's even my fault now, for the record a number of Rangers fans were praising me this week, just thought I'd point that out.

The point is he DID respond, the point is it took a month, the point is he waited till Green was already in trouble for the racist remarks, cowardly, spineless, opportunist. Oh and a money wasting, rotten manager to boot.

Gaz

N5 are you also an aberdeen supporter like gaz gaz thinks the dons will flourish with new gaffer but he must be worried about debt owed by their owner tmwnn

07 Aug 2013 08:45:00
At last a bit of improvement on the field. I know it was a friendly and against one of the lesser teams in the Premier League but it still turned out a very decent game. Peralta will be a big player this year and the midfield of Law, McLeod and Peralta should cope with the early rounds of the Scottish Cup.
Poor crowd inside the ground and as I didn't hear anything from outside the ground I am assuming in spite of all the impassioned pleas and hyperbole yesterday the mass protest outside was a damp squid?

ED why are Rangers fans so apathetic
The Fighting Fund only reached £600,000 yet fans of Hearts who are allegedly a much smaller club raise significantly more than that in days?

Celtic fans assemble in their tens of thousands and over subscribe two share offerings from the Bunnet.

I was always going into the ground to support the team on the pitch but we really cannot organise a p#ss up in a brewery. {Ed001's Note - Rangers just need someone to step up and take charge of organising something. There are plenty of people who would put money in, but they need something to put money into first!}

So Ed what your saying is the solution is the fans parting with more money?

Thought we did that when we bought shares? {Ed001's Note - no, I am saying that the fans are happy to do that, if necessary, that is not the issue. The problem is that they lack someone directing their efforts and leading them towards the answers needed. If necessary to fight and reclaim the club for the fans too, if the answers are not satisfactory.}

The problem is that they, in the most part haven't an earthly what they actually want, as a combined force.

Some want Green and the existing board, some want Murray, McColl etc, some want King.

Some want McCoist to stay, some want him sacked.

Some want a bit more frugality regards spending, some say until I hear otherwise the finances must be fine.

They can't protest en masse because there is not one single item they agree on en masse.

The only common denominator is slag Celtic, the SFA and the media, guaranteed Brownie points every time.

Gaz

I would have to disagree with your last point Gaz.
I'm not interested in Celtic, the SFA, Media etc.
I'm quite happy to agree that the problems we have are of our own making. Whilst initially they were purely the work of moneymen, chancers and spivs I'm afraid we as supporters our apathy is contributing to the continued rape of our club.

The BIGGEST PROBLEMS is Rangers fans are fighting amoungst yourselves, some blinded by they are Rangers men, others with he saved our club. Divide and conquer springs to mind, as you continue to fight you don't notice them taking the bags of money out the back door, open your eyes of what is going on before its to late, or what happened last year will look like a walk in the park with what could happen in the next few months.
P. S Sorry for shouting but you don't seem to listen

Celtic Fan

As far as I can make out, most supporters are not willing to stand up for what is right and certainly not willing to stand up to thugs like Green. I still don't sense the indignation, regarding the whole of the past few years only a warped sense of bitter frustration, and that every one else is to blame. So long as there is a game on every week, thousands roll up to buy season tickets by shares etc, without even questioning the character of the people at the helm of our beloved club. This appeasement only fuels the believe that we are here to be shafted. Our support have a deep seated fear of demanding answers and accept sweet talk all too easily, it's been going on for decades. Which begs the question just what are the standards, even morals by which we measure these days? Being a Ranger used to mean so much more than we presently hold to.

Aye Ready

Admittedly as neither a Celtic nor rangers supporter I only visit to watch the soap opera but you need an outside bogeyman to rally the troops to the flag.

Perhaps you can get all the celtic fans to promise to buy the your shares if they fall to 10p?

But Baybear some of that apathy is because on ocassion said board members are getting kudos for having a swing at perceived enemies, making you focus your attention out the way rather than inwards, a couple of good sound bytes, problem solved. They say what you want to hear to prevent you focusing on what they are doing.

Gaz

07 Aug 2013 08:27:52
Does anyone else think green has a point that all the so called rangers men should either let him get on with what he is trying to do instead of bad mouthing all his decisions and how he's doing this and that wrong for the club? Non put their money in 18months ago and still none will put their money in now. They all just seem to want to be in the media attention as if their saviours.

@OP: with that kind of post you must be a Celtic fan, if the beliefs of some on here are anything to go by.

Quite possibly Big Gee, but for me that is not the issue anyway.
I just want honest businessmen with a proven track record to run my club.
For me Green does not fall into this category. By his own admission he is prepared to lie and con his way to getting what he wants. He has previous at Sheffield Utd, and he acts in a totally unprofessional manner in the media. Every time he opens his mouth a piece of me dies to know that he is representing our club.

07 Aug 2013 13:33:37
no 1 Post. Bet you'd have called anybody slagging Green off 6 months ago a Cetic supporter.

Get real. Am not really a Green fan myself but he's quite right to have a go at mr McColl a billionaire who won't put a bean into Ibrox and is so busy with other buisness commitments he couldn't attend a board meeting every month or so.

If you ain't prepared to put in money why should I be interested in what you have to say. At least CG has did something constructive.

07 Aug 2013 06:04:24
One of my favourite shows from the 70s was Fantasy Island. "Look Boss, The Plane, The Plane". Todays Fantasy Island can be found in Govan. A draw with Newcastles 3rd string and Rangers are world beaters! "Look Ally, The Green, The Green"

Newcastles 3rd string don't think so pal {The Ed039's Note - did anyone see their starting line up?)

Newcastle 3rd string? cisse, cabaye, ben arfa, collochini, etc.

another east end obsession

Celtic couldn't beat arbroath with their full team at parkhead last season heres hoping theyr thumped tonight

@3 A trophy we ultimately won, you should try winning cups some time, it's nice. Oooops, Ally, I keep forgetting. :)

Gaz

06 Aug 2013 23:56:33
Ed given the SFA's prompt and comprehensive reply to Craig Mather do you think it was just another shining example of a board member saying what the fans want to hear? In other words, surely he would have been advised or was aware of some of the differences he questioned when he spoke?

Gaz {Ed001's Note - I would think it was more likely a case of someone feeling hard done by and not bothering to check if they were before they spoke out.}

06 Aug 2013 23:28:29
Ed. Two questions.
I'm not saying it's going to happen but remains a strong possibility. If we are placed in administration how many points will be deducted. Also, if we are deducted points do you think we can still win league one? Thanks ed. {Ed001's Note - according to the SPFL rulebook, if it happens within 5 years of the previous admin, it would mean a 25 point deduction immediately. If the club stays in admin going into the following season, there would be a 25 point deduction applied for that season too. I am not sure that Rangers would be able to overcome that much of a deficit. The opponents would be given a huge boost and each team they play against would actually fancy their chances of finishing above them. For me, it would depend when it happened, if it was early in the season, then it would be more difficult than if it was later on, when the club was already in a decent lead.}

I am pretty sure this is the plan. That could be the reason Ally has so many players as there would be a signing embargo as well I think. Even with a 25 point deduction I think they would get up.

We could struggle to win the league but worst case we could still go up via a playoff. tambo88

07 Aug 2013 00:19:59
Banner at game tonight calling SFA and SPFL corrupt. if ever a case pot calling the kettle black!

Perfect timing giving that charity money never made it to the charity, think the fans would focuss on more important matters and move on to see how corrupt the club has been.

If you actually read the full story, it states it was Duff & Phelps who advised that for the game to go ahead then certain implications had to be agreed. It was also THEM who took the money for the Charity match and not Rangers so give it a rest

And who gave them the money? Who transferred it? Rangers CHARITY, talk about denial

Duff and phelps received the money but the trustees were legally in control of it and broke the law by giving it to D&P. this lying about the issue is just as bad as what happened.

07 Aug 2013 01:00:27
He's had an awful lot of opportunity to talk about the goings on at Rangers since Friday has he not? Consultant? Anyone would think he's the Chairman?