Rangers Banter Archive July 07 2012

 

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07 Jul 2012 21:59:55
hear on radio people ie other clubs fans say scottish football will survive without Rangers and their supporters and if it happened in the epl say if man utd went the same way as Rangers they would survive with out man utd the diference with the epl is that their is more big clubs with big support to continue with out man utd as for up here Rangers and celtic with there big support keep these other teams in money with the big travelling support , the rest of the spl teams dont get a big enough support to keep them going unless their cup final supporters start appearing week in week out. good luck spl teams you will need it. {Ed039's Note - I think we should stop the team bashing now guys, we have bigger problems than whether other times like us or if we like them etc etc)

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Forget the SPL, they've given us the heave-ho. It's time to concentrate primarily on ourselves and let that lot (SPL) worry about their own futures.

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Scottish teams have a bigger support per population numbers than the epl, clubs just need to live within there means. also last time Scotland qualified for a major tournament France 98 , EPL started 98 the sooner it dies the better.

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Well said ed fed up with all the haters it was our fault deal with build a bridge n get over it an whatever will be will be

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As a fan of one of these other clubs, i would agree that our fans do not turn out en masse the way they should. but ur being naive if you think the OF and sky havent perpetuated that.Sky televise mainly OF away matches and the rest of us are mainly televised when the old firm come to visit. the current model ensures OF turn up to their home.matches if they want to see their team, whilst our fans can watch a higher percentage of home matches from their armchair.

that said tho you are still right. if a club can take 24000 to a cupfinal, they should have more than 5000 season tickets.

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Cake and eat it? god how do we never learn? We would have grabbed a place in any English division and still would if offered ? why so we could get near the big money pot? we have actively attempted to do that previously and we were going to leave the rest of Scottish Football behind with our best wishes? stating that they didnt really need us ? So what are they to believe then ? that they dont or they do? time for us to make our minds up here? And one other thing what will be our name next year? as WE ARE A NEW TEAM ?

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07 Jul 2012 21:48:40
Sporting integrity minus finance = first division or is it
SPL + SFL = third division

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Nothing to do with sporting integrety never has been and never was, somebody came up with that and every one and their dog jumpt on it .

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07 Jul 2012 21:43:02
Just read the earlier post from Alex Thomson about the forthcoming meeting on Friday the 13th. We all have our opinions on how it will go but there was some revealing information.

"A buffet lunch will be served at the conclusion of the meeting".

So here's the big question.

What do we all think will be on the buffet?

I've been to a teacher training day at the Bell/Baird suite at Hampden and thought the food was good. They had chicken satay on skewers and vegtable pakoras. {Ed039's Note - lol)

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Just as well the meeting isn't at McDiarmid Park. You usually only get soup, a roll and some badly made sandwiches but then that's probably why they are such a well run little outfit.

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They should serve vol au vents...always a favourite...irrespective of whether they're chicken or mushroom. More importantly though I think they should serve a massive helping of humble pie to the Govan Sevco 2012 contingent!

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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One thing's for sure, Sevco won't be providing the catering as this was hived off a long time ago. If they did it would be Pringles and orange squash.

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07 Jul 2012 21:24:35
More bad news...just heard from
a Scottish Sales and Marketting manager he said that due to the RFC TAX issues , no one
wants to sponsor the new NEWCO2012
unless they change their name.

There are still a lot of financial questions
that need to be answered...and soon.

Keeping the same name will be the
TAX stigma of Scottish Football for
years....also in the IRNBRUE league
no big companes will be payinng big
bucks....

The fans need to fill the void. {Ed039's Note - Your source has contacted every company there possibly is for sponsorship and absoloutley every company going said no?)

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Don't know who will sponsor them but I've always laughed when I logged onto here as the adverts and sponsors are always for bankruptcy and debt solution companies. Lol.

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Number 1, why do you think that is? Give you a clue, its because of certain keywords used in posts. If we all started talking about thai brides etc, would make it more interesting.

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No 2 .aye we would be saturated with lady bhoys lol doug t.s.o

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07 Jul 2012 21:22:08
according to Andy goram in the sun today something else will happen with the john brown takeover, they all had their chance to do it way back and didnt if a guy with 800 million fortune couldnt do it then nobody will (jim mccoll) time to move on guys. {Ed039's Note - Bomber might have some backers to help finance a buyout, but where does the funding come from going forward, yeah I know they talk about a share issue, but there are immediate problems to take care of and I am not optimistic about him completing any deal nor am I behind him as I feel he has become too much of a joke figure in the last few weeks and we have had about enough of that)

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07 Jul 2012 21:20:38
Quick question that I haven't seen anyone on here ask and if it has I apologise for not seeing it. With all the debating about going to the third and being let into the first, why hasn't the option of going to the second been looked at. This would allow for weaker sanctions to be put in place, strike a compromise over the length of time Sevco will be out of the picture, maintain a modicum of integrity and still create revenue for the lower leagues for a couple of years. Sevco Could also be asked to pay the logistical costs of playing at away games such as police etc... and hey presto!! Bob's yer Uncle!!! Problem solved. {Ed039's Note - It wouldnt really solve any problems, not one of sporting integrity and not one of financial matter, I dont think it is allowed either??)

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Second is just as allowed as first (Ed). Third isn't allowed either - it's just that a space is created and all clubs outwith the SFL can apply. That's why the special meeting etc etc etc.

Anything other than applying to third lacks sporting integrity however good it might be for SPL finances, Scottish football and social unrest (if we run with Regan's diatribe).

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07 Jul 2012 20:51:59
Looks like Alex Thompson(ch4) has unfrocked the sham that was hailed as sporting integrity. SFA and SPL have been found out, this has nothing to do with sporting integrity, this about abusing a fan base by using their drawing power as a cash cow. Thommo trying to get Uefa and Fifa for their stance on this. Lots more to come out from this farce. Suspect a few SPL chairmen squirming tonight, shameful. {Ed039's Note - It wasnt first class journalism, never is from this plank, the document has apparantly made its way into the public domain, always was going to)

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Yup, SPL trying to have their cake and eat it. Regan should go.

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Ed - Tomo openly states in his tweets that others received the document before him.

Mac2.

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@2 tomo is it now,every timmys best friend? I wonder if he will be exposing many more people involved in TAX AVOIDANCE after the revelations in the press regarding high profile names using tax schemes including high ranking tax officials or is it just targets recommended to him by timmy he goes for?

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07 Jul 2012 20:15:02
Is ian black not the guy that was booed by the fans at ibrox, and blasted on this site for being a thug? Now you all want him to sign? {Ed039's Note - I never called him a "thug", a dirty little s***e maybe, but lets face it, with the "talent" left behind after this debacle, he is a superstar)

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Op. Im a Ger. When Blacks name was first banded about i posted o here regarding my disapproval. The guy is a thug and will spend more time serving suspensions than on the park. Thats just my opinion.

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Yiiiip ! we also, called Mo Jonston a FEW NAMES, as well .... but when he scored against the tic at ibrox, we forgot all about it ..... aaaaah ! Big Bill ....

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Like I stated in another post. AN opinion on a person is never set in stone. It can change. If Ian Black really wants to play for us in our current situation then thats good enough for me to change my opinion on him.

DO

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07 Jul 2012 20:14:28
Its mad to think that the sfa have given us a transfer ban and we have only 6 players pathetic tbh

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Was the transfer embargo not for rangers 1872 if they had stayed in the spl . that club no longer exists so neither does the transfer embargo, and even if the old club had not been liquidated you got the ban overturned in the courts ,so once again it would not be in place.. therefore you can sign wo ever you want. you really need to keep up.. shamrock

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07 Jul 2012 20:11:38
if they want us in the 1st div when we want the 3rd then there should be no sanctions .we need to build a new team

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I'm a DUFC fan and agree with you 100%. You're a new company, so no sanctions should apply. That's on the priviso ths SFL members afreed that your entry meets the existing rules and you'll be a positive addition to Scottish football. i.e. drop the rule britannia, drop the desire to head off to england.. otherwise your application is a shame!

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If it's SFL business, what's that got to do with you? You lot have done your damage, we are not interested in what you think.

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You're team is in the SPL (Probably admin in the not too distant future). We're not, remember! You're probably one of those fans that voted against us... so go away and talk to someone who gives a sh*t.

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Agree. Nobody at Gers want the 1st div. Only the powers that be want us there. So they want to apply some sanctions to take the look of favouratism away whilst lining their own pockets at the same time. Integrity?

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07 Jul 2012 19:45:43
Edd could u please give me your opinion to my post as i read threw all posts all i see is what division.
I more worried about regardless of which division we play.with the vote on 13/07/12.where and how will we have a squad in place within 3wks & would you know what else would have to be ready.
Squeeky pre season bum time {Ed039's Note - The squad would be the main thing, stewarding and policing would have to be organised, staff for the ground etc, etc. There is so much but the squad is obviously the main footballing thing to be sorted, and fitness would be a worry)

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07 Jul 2012 19:17:16
we all need to get behind the team no matter what happens, it wasnt the supporters or the club that caused all this sh.t it was a couple of dodgey chairmen running our club, how nobody has been arrested for whats gone on is utter disbelief.

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Absolutely, crimes have been commited and what will happen if Murray and Whyte are found guilty of bringing down one of the uk's largest sporting institutions? Where does that leave all the innocent workers and fans in this very public car crash? The authorities should have stepped in a lot sooner, the bbc even aired a documentary near the end of last year and nothing was done then either. Rangers have been hung out to dry from the beginning - the sfa knew last year that something was wrong but they did nothing - thanks for that!
It was probably their intention to do nothing and offered the average joe no protection - absolute joke!!
I call on the sfa to be investigated over their failure to protect jobs, fans money, shareholders cash, creditors money etc etc etc.
Total farce... Made a mockery of what was left of scottish football... And they will continue to until they are removed.

Billy {Ed039's Note - Billy I like your post, but lets not kid ourselves, we certainly are not and have not been the UKs largest sporting institution)

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That would be the documentary you all rushed to condemn would it ? Or did I miss one?

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07 Jul 2012 19:12:40
what would be good is if someone were to to open an account where season ticket buyers could deposit money for season tickets.then use the money accrued to buy the club with each ticket holder getting a share each .then the club would belong to the fans .
each fan would then get one vote on who directors and manager should be for following season.
shares to be renewed every year with season ticket sale to keep money coming into club .
a true fans club
skyebear {Ed039's Note - this is what john brown is trying to do ............ ish)

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Your plan is like Brown's - also lacking in substance - once the season ticket money has been used to buy the club - what do you pay staff, rent, rates, policing, suppliers, tax, etc etc etc with ? ...... Sounds like you want to make the fans another Whyte and pay nothing !!!

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07 Jul 2012 17:58:59
We will be in europe before southamprton nd norwich nd stoke nd poss everton

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Dream on, but I do hope you will continue to exist

EFCwhitesocks

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Ha ha, Everton tee hee. Remember they had a decent team when I was growing up in 80s, but they are a well run club at least.

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07 Jul 2012 17:46:25
SFL attempting to get Rangers into Div1

Alex Tomson's blog below explains

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A senior Football League source has just leaked this to me. Note second section which appears to be a clear attempt to by-pass any vote and shoehorn Rangers Newco into Div 1. Incredible.

You have been warned:

Subject: SFL Special General Meeting – Friday, 13th July, 2012

Dear Sir or Madam,

NOTICE OF SPECIAL GENERAL MEETING – SCOTTISH FOOTBALL LEAGUE

Notice is hereby given that a Special General Meeting of The Scottish Football League will be held within the Bell/Baird Suite on the fifth floor of Hampden Park, Glasgow on Friday, 13th July, 2012 at 11.00 a.m. for the purpose of considering and, if thought fit, approving the following proposals:-

(i) That the Scottish Football League Members agree to admit Sevco Scotland Limited as an Associate Member and agrees to permit Rangers F.C. to play in the League during Season 2012/13.

(ii) That the Scottish Football League Members direct the Board of Management of The Scottish Football League (the “Board”) to provide that Rangers F.C. shall play in the Third Division of the Scottish Football League during Season 2012/13 unless the Board shall have to its satisfaction negotiated and reached agreement with The Scottish Premier League and The Scottish Football Association on a series of measures which the Board shall consider to be in the best interests of the game, how it is structured, how it is governed and how it is financed, whereupon the Board shall be authorised to provide that Rangers F.C. shall play in the First Division of the Scottish Football League during Season 2012/13.

(iii) That the Scottish Football League Members in terms of Rule 12 approve the resignation of either Dundee F.C. or Dunfermline Athletic F.C., whichever shall be admitted to join the Scottish Premier League for Season 2012/13, such resignation to take effect as at the date of admission of such club to the Scottish Premier League, notwithstanding that the requisite notice under Rule 12 shall not have been given.Details of the series of measures referred to at (ii) above shall be made available to the Members in advance of the meeting and an opportunity for full discussion of those measures will be given prior to the proposals being put to the meeting.

In accordance with the terms of SFL Rule 53, your club must send one representative to this meeting and I would be most grateful if you could advise me of the name of your representative by return.

A buffet lunch will be served at the conclusion of the meeting.

Kind regards,
David A. Longmuir
Chief Executive, SFL.
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Mac2.

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Suggest you read the updated version. Illustrates how corrupt the Sfa/spl are.he actually states they only want to use us as a cash cow.where's this sporting integrity now bhoys?

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I agree, that pretty much says that if "the board" see fit they can put Rangers straight into div 1.

Leeroy {Ed039's Note - Looking at the last few weeks discussions, their always seemed there was going to be this kind of loophole in this brief)

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Love the footnote at the end. "A buffet lunch will be served at the conclusion of the meeting". Looks like no one's getting fed then because I don't see this being resolved. If it does then what can the Sevco representative expect from the buffet? Sour grapes? Humple pie? How about some egg on his face followed by a 'roasting' from the rest of the chairmen. {Ed039's Note - I think the SFA might stretch just to a couple of normal sandwiches and some actual food ya numpty)

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@Ed on post 3. Looks like i've touched a nerve there. Was a light hearted post. Take it there's a Sevco fan moderating tonight instead of an EPL fan. Ya numpty!!Haha. {Ed039's Note - Try coming up with something original then, as far as Sevco go, forget it. I am a Rangers fan, always have been and always will be, along with the readers and posters of this page)

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@1 wasn't aware there was an updated version, can you post a link.

And what has this got to do with Celtic.

Mac2.

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@4. Ed, not all posters on here are Rangers/Sevco fans. There are quite a lot of supporters of other clubs who read this site for opinions and information on this whole sorry saga that has gripped Scottish football this year. Myself I'm a Celtic fan and genuinely read the comments on here with an unbiased view as they are usually put across in a fair way. It's also a lot more informative and interesting than some of the sh@te that's posted on Rangersmedia and other sites that do your club no favours. Nothing wrong with having other supporters views on here, that's what makes it appealing. If it didn't because the site controlled it more then it would be going down the same road as Rangersmedia, a closed shop. Just thought I'd point that out.

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07 Jul 2012 17:26:59
Premier--foremost,primary,elite,most special. So how do you have a secondary "premier" league (SPL2)? What next, Silver medallists described as being first-placed competitor after the winner?

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They've been doing this in England for years. You have to look as far down as the old 4th division before you classed as not first.
Al

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07 Jul 2012 17:25:23
does the sfa not understand we
want to go into the 3rd div end of

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They understand fully. But there is lots of money involved which they don't want to lose.

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The longer we are down there the longer we are out of the Premier.

Its a bluff.

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They want the tv monies and still want to put sanctions on Rangers and put them in Div 1 as when all Rangers supporters want 3rd Div , where is the sporting integrety now its Greed for money , they all realise that without Rangers and celtic support their is no money in scottish football.

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I don't want to go to div three, and anybody that does is either a liar or stupid. Why do you want to go to a football wilderness, stop this tit for tat rubbish {Ed039's Note - I would, I am fed up people accusing us fans of being thieves, even although myself and many other have spent their hard earned on tickets/strips/programmes/euro trips for many years, despite this we have been tarred with the same brush as the directors who ran our institution into the ground and if Div 3 meant getting an iota of creditbility back then I would go there in a heartbeat, otherwise we will always be branded cheats/thieves etc etc which I do not think is fair anyway)

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Well said Ed.
But i would actually go a step further. To be brutally honest i couldn't care less what anyone else thinks,they never liked us much anyway. The majority of people are just using the EBT/RTC scenarios as a smokescreen and a platform to kick us to the kerb.
Mr Green has two main decisions to make and inform the fans about before anything else happens regardless of the upcoming vote,or what division we are in.
If it's div1 then it will be with sanctions from oldco. So what are his plans for retaining or purchasing at a later date our history/assets/strip/crest etc.
The way i see this (re: sanctions) is that RFC are allowed to continue as RFC.
If he doesn't accept the sanctions then he has to apply for div3 and lose the history etc. But he needs to upfront with us and keep us infomed. I wonder if any/either of the above scenarios would change our fans minds?
P.O.B. {Ed039's Note - Listen alot didnt and dont like us, I just dont like being spoken to by a member of staff in TESCO of all places as if I am personally a tax cheat because I was wearing a Rangers jacket in front of my mrs and daughter. My Mrs said I should have complained to his manager, I told her he is lucky I didnt knock him out lol. But seriously, I dont want to be associated with that, in a football stadium, yes I can handle it, shopping with my family, no way thats too far. If Div 3 is what that takes then so be it)

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Couldn't have said it better myself Ed. I've posted other reasons why I think Div 3 is the best option for us but the reason you've stated is by far the most important one.
VHSS

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Ed, I agree with your views on starting again at the bottom, but lets be honest, do you really think other groups of fans won t still be going on about this forever? They won t care if our club has to do the time, it will always be brought up in the future. {Ed039's Note - You're right it doesn't matter but it will be worse the other way, ie the league done you special favours tc, even if the fans aren't asking or any)

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07 Jul 2012 17:25:09
Subject: SFL Special General Meeting – Friday, 13th July, 2012
   
Dear Sir or Madam,
 
NOTICE OF SPECIAL GENERAL MEETING – SCOTTISH FOOTBALL LEAGUE 

Notice is hereby given that a Special General Meeting of The Scottish Football League will be held within the Bell/Baird Suite on the fifth floor of Hampden Park, Glasgow on Friday, 13th July, 2012 at 11.00 a.m. for the purpose of considering and, if thought fit, approving the following proposals:-

(i) That the Scottish Football League Members agree to admit Sevco Scotland Limited as an Associate Member and agrees to permit Rangers F.C. to play in the League during Season 2012/13.

(ii) That the Scottish Football League Members direct the Board of Management of The Scottish Football League (the “Board”) to provide that Rangers F.C. shall play in the Third Division of the Scottish Football League during Season 2012/13 unless the Board shall have to its satisfaction negotiated and reached agreement with The Scottish Premier League and The Scottish Football Association on a series of measures which the Board shall consider to be in the best interests of the game, how it is structured, how it is governed and how it is financed, whereupon the Board shall be authorised to provide that Rangers F.C. shall play in the First Division of the Scottish Football League during Season 2012/13.

(iii) That the Scottish Football League Members in terms of Rule 12 approve the resignation of either Dundee F.C. or Dunfermline Athletic F.C., whichever shall be admitted to join the Scottish Premier League for Season 2012/13, such resignation to take effect as at the date of admission of such club to the Scottish Premier League, notwithstanding that the requisite notice under Rule 12 shall not have been given.Details of the series of measures referred to at (ii) above shall be made available to the Members in advance of the meeting and an opportunity for full discussion of those measures will be given prior to the proposals being put to the meeting.

In accordance with the terms of SFL Rule 53, your club must send one representative to this meeting and I would be most grateful if you could advise me of the name of your representative by return.

A buffet lunch will be served at the conclusion of the meeting.

Kind regards,
David A. Longmuir
Chief Executive, SFL.

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07 Jul 2012 17:23:52
SFL vote by clubs on Friday will be to admit us to the SFL. Decision on whether D1 or D3 will be made by SFL board. Looks like it will be D1.

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07 Jul 2012 15:19:09
This isn't going to be easy reading for Rangers fans, if the Ed allows it at all, but here goes.

From the outset of this, arguably long before then in truth, there has been a blinkered, siege mentality from all concerned at Rangers. A failure to read between the lines, a refusal to acknowledge momentum, a misjudgement of public opinion. This is not a swipe at the Rangers fans, it permeates the whole club from chairman down.

I'll start with the most recent as it is truly a classic example: Green, Murray and McCoist are making their appeal to the SPL last week. While on the page of their presentation that said Rangers would accept a number of sanctions including the transfer embargo a SPL chairman gets a text saying "Rangers to sign Ian Black pending which league they are in." Timing wise Groucho Marx couldn't do better.

And so to the list:

Any club bought for £1 is not in good fiscal health. That should have told you something.

The momentum of Celtic's run last year meant that by February 14 a Rangers league title was at best optimistic, they had also just sold arguably their best outfield player (Jelavic).

Denying all suspicion of Craig Whyte from any quarter is siege mentality stuff best left to Mugabe and Assad supporters. He turned the entire Rangers support against the BBC because he knew how the fans would react.

Failing to pay debts (especially to rival clubs) while trying to sign Daniel Cousin does no garner you sympathy.

Demanding panels be outed despite universal agreement that they remain anonymous does not garner you sympathy.

Taking the SFA to court for what was a fudge decision aimed at not totally destroying Rangers was arrogance beyond belief. Illegal or not, it was a diplomatic compromise. I don't doubt it was selfishly motivated up to a point by the SFA but they are there to serve 42 league teams and others not just Rangers but given the other sanctions they did have at their disposal this was seen by everyone bar Rangers, given the seriousness of the crimes, to be somewhere short of suspension or expulsion.

Boycott threats, be it to the SFA, SFA/SPL sponsors, to the national team, the rival clubs, were a PR disaster.

The near universal Rangers believe of financial Armageddon for Scottish football should they be consigned to lower divisions or heavily punished within the framework of the SPL did not come from a rational, diplomatic reasoning, it was a threat, nothing more nothing less. Moreso because of the language in which it was used.

Make no mistake the ramifications of these last five examples hardened a number of clubs opinions on Rangers fate. The Scottish psyche does not react well to threats, it never has and while Rangers proved that from February onwards, it goes without saying that the very organisations, chairmen, fans and clubs who hold Rangers fate in their hands were equally of a mind to retaliate when their opportunity came along. This was a velvet glove moment not an iron fist and no one within Ibrox appreciated that or had the voice to be heard above the indignant clamour.

The takeovers: "Yank go home" to Bill Miller with a number of Americans playing for Rangers that day, deary me. Green, saviour to villan inside days thanks to Jim Traynor and Walter Smith. Green tells McCoist to his face that the day he sacks him he will leave too and yet he believes Dave King's rumour? Come on, get real.

If you don't question, you don't get answers. If you blindly believe, you give up any power you had. If you strike out, be prepared to be struck back. All of these things have had led to a momentum that Rangers have struggled to contain and most likely added to since February.

Gaz

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Great post gaz mate! Not good reading for the Gers fans in denial but its the harsh truth! All these ex Gers men (i.e brown, goram, king etc) coming out spouting nonsense is not helping ur cause one bit! Give Green a chance, he's certainly a better option than John Brown n co!

Byars

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Everyone is an expert after the event, even if celtic fans will claim they knew all along.

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2) that's fair comment but making the same "we are Rangers blah blah blah" mistakes after the 14 event is beyond stubborness.
Gaz

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Rangers recent problems stem from a lack of self awareness from the highest to the lowest level.

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07 Jul 2012 15:02:16
Alexander;
Broadfoot, Perry, Goian, Wallace;
Bedoya, Black, McCulloch, Kerkar;
Beattie, Little

Subs; Gallacher, Hegarty, Mitchell, McKay, Cole, Naismith, Hemmings, Hutton

The next generation of bears!

What do you think of that team? Would romp the 3rd div and/or 1st.

Anyone know whats happening with edu and boca?

GBear

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Edu and boca wint be back, they both have world cup places to fight for and playing sfl 3 football would ruin their chances.

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The guys that stay will be always remembered for their loyalty to the club

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The ones who stay will be remembered for their loyslty to the club......what about the players who are loyal to themselves and their families?? Are they lesser individuals?

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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Emmm i think u forgot we will be signing at least 10 players so it will change when we are put into a league

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And wel be getting another goalkeeper to challange alexander as gallacher is terrible

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07 Jul 2012 15:31:04
to all the people arguing amongst ourselves its time to get a team together and Idon't give a sugar who as long as they play for the jersey like the old Glasgow Rangers players of old did and put us back where we belong. we now have to start going in the same direction together. I followed Rangers before souness was brought in and murray bought us. you would be lucky there was 10 000 supporters at the home games the rest just came along when the club looked like they had a good future.So if you don't want to buy a season ticket or support our club because your only a fair weather fan- goodbye !

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Aww get over yourself. Everyone has an opinion, and football is not the be all and end all of life. Everyone can do what they want, even if it does not fit into your way. Enjoy your life and health, all that really matters.

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Seveco should get in line to apply for admission to the SFL behind all the other clubs, such as Spartans, and await their turn.

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07 Jul 2012 12:21:32
One aspect about playing lower down the leagues is that we simply must have a policy of playing X number of under 23's. We need to produce another Hutton, Shahger, Adam and given the unique circumstances we have the chance to produce a plethora of talent. First step is sign all the young prospects we can. If you invest 3 million in buying 15 under 18's then at least one of those will generate a transfer fee which will triple that

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Young players wont learn or develop much playing in lower leagues in scotland, how many players get promoted from the first division and star in the SPL.

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07 Jul 2012 12:13:56
Well little Bears, the Daily Ranger quotes Mr. Green saying that 50% of your club's shares are available to anyone who wants to invest. It'll be interesting to see how many of you put your money where your mouths have been for the last two months. However if the take up is anything like the previous calls for fans to get behind the team then I suspect Mr. Green will be left with a lot of shares he doesn't want.
Can you all prove me wrong?? I doubt it somehow.

Hail Hail
ChrisBhoy

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You really are a prepubescent child!

GDog
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07 Jul 2012 12:07:18
Many supporters questioned Green’s reasons for buying the stricken club for £5.5million and some have backed consortiums fronted by Walter Smith and John Brown. But a stockbroker is now due to arrive from London next week to help the club launch a share issue.
And an Ibrox source said: “We’re going to announce shares will be offered for sale to supporters and this proves what we said at the start.
“We’re bringing a stockbroker up from London. People can come to the ground and register if they want a share.
“They will be given the opportunity to buy shares for the same price as everyone else and if they buy all that are available to them, they will own 50 per cent of the club.
“Contrary to what some claim, we’re going to do a lot of things we said we’d do and more besides. Things that are not yet public.”

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Surely a glorious opportunity for Brown.Goram Laudrup and Rae etc to invest in the club they had the honour and priveledge to be a part of....instead of making headlines ...make a difference ...fan ownership whether totally or partial has to be a step forward...johnnyG

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Kinell a stockbroker up from london ....
he must be good then as opposed to a stock broker from???? larkhall?

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07 Jul 2012 11:55:52
I agree with Charles Green and his comments about ex players

Lafferty-sion
Whittaker-Norwich
Davis- Southampton
Ness-stoke
Fleck-coventry
Naismith-Evereton

Good to see these loyal Rangers men are going to clubs where they can further their careers and win medals and titles, apart from maybe Naismith the others have no chance and will be fighting relegation battles for the next four years.
Well done boys you've played a blinder!

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Might not win too many medals and trophies but there is no doubt they will be playing at a higher level than they could ever achieve at SEVCO. They will become more affluent young men and as such they will develop into better persons than if they stayed at a despicable, obnoxious club !

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Maybe they are just old fashioned and like getting paid and knowing what division they are playing in.

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Ok I'm a bear but ffs man look at yourself they have bettered themselves yeah they might not win trophies they probably will never win the league but fXxk me they will be playing against some of the best teams in the world in man city utd Chelsea Liverpool

it wasn't long ago the rangers and Celtic fans were screaming to go to the epl and if your honest they would never win that league either so your point is utter tosh.

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07 Jul 2012 11:29:52
Most of us would say the time has come to move forward.
Our manager has said that we need to rebuild and the best way to do this is in SFL3.

I would like to think that the majority of our support will stay with the club regardless of which division we are in.
If indeed any.

For this to happen though Mr Green needs to be upfront with us as to his vision for the club. I am not specifically referring to bold statements about spending power,and transfer targets etc.
He needs to drop the double faceted approach he has adopted and decide who we are,and who or what we are to become.
We cannot be two entities. He has made much of retaining our history and saving
the club. He is right to claim that the new club should not be held accountable for the oldco's crimes.
Fair enough. But how can he do one and be dismissive of the other. If as he claims his intention is to save the club he needs to accept the sanctions.
Is this why the other chairmen were "expecting more humility"?

Do not listen to those who wish us nothing but pain. Their obsession appears to be nothing more than a desire for the taking away of our titles and subsequent and permanent demise.
They say we are no more. Really?
If this were the case why then, was a vote alloed regarding the transfer of the previous owner's share,and membership of the SFA? Why not just expel us?
Unless i am missing something this appears to suggest that there was a vehicle available tp Sevco of retaining our history.By the transfer of share being accepted this would have been possible.

Okay so they vetoed this proposal,but the point is it was a possibility,and was rejected under the auspices of "sporting integrity".
One wonders if the vote would have been different if Green had agreed to the sanctions being applied.
The SFL vote is still to be concluded and rumours are rife that Div1 is a possibility but this too is reliant on the acceptance of sanctions. How can you apply sanctions to a new entity who are totally innocent of any wrong doing?
So the question is,are Sevco being offered the opportunity to continue as Rangers as far as the "Brand" is concerned,on the condition they accept culpability? If so Rangers are not dead!
Included in the list of proposed sanctions was that Sevco would assume responsibility and agree to stripping of titles,waiving the right to appeal through the courts regarding any future sanctions,and accept liability for the EBT and RTC findings.
Mr Green should not and cannot attempt to fool the fans with the concept of saving the old club unless he is prepared to accept the liability of the old.
If he is not prepared to do so,then he should tell us,and stop pretending otherwise to attract season ticket sales.

I wonder if our manager has
put down a marker with his latest statement. Is this an indication of the proposed way forward,i.e. dropping the history of oldco to dodge the possible sanctions being applied. If so Mr Green should stop his bleating about "Saving" the club.
Crafty and a wise businessman he may well be,but he cannot be the jockey of two different horses competing in the same race.
P.O.B.

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07 Jul 2012 09:44:53
With all that has been going on with 'Oldco' and 'Newco' etc I have completely lost track of what has been actually going on. Anyway does the transfer embargo apply to the Newco as if it were apply then how does the Newco actually trade? On a side point to this if we are permitted to make transfers and signings why do we not look at younger players who are available on free transfers (players who have been released by Premiership Clubs), much of the potential targets would be dependant on the league which the Newco gained entry to though but these players will be looking for a club and will be hungry to try and get their career back on track, if successful can maybe be sold on at a profit in the future and if unsuccessful then considerably less financially has been lost on the player. Naturally I would rather see the existing Youth Squads provide the basis of the future team but may aswell consider this a help to rebuilding.

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07 Jul 2012 08:47:25
Green is going to issue a share issue for fans. I would like to know if those shares include the stadium, murray park and the Albion? Or is is shares for possibly a 3 division team with about 6 players?

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07 Jul 2012 01:56:15
the lowest common denomination of people crave not only Rangers dead but all of its support old or new club , but without us you would never have had half the teams to support in the first place , now we go to the third division you might not have half of them anyway , get it , enjoy your cake because you are not going to like the ingredients , particularly our good friends on the other side of the city , integrity integrity isnt it great , now you lose even when you win , who do you think is going to care about cfc winning anything with little or no value , but still you will be the top of the pile , yes i think thats right pile.

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You talk total rubbish.
Any trophy won by any team is well earned and justifies the plaudits received.(as they will have been won fair and square unlike some past trophies won by Rangers)
The Scottish will adapt and only get stronger with or without Sevco, more youngsters getting a chance.
People and comments made like this are the reason the whole of Scottish Football are voting against Sevco.

Bigbr

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07 Jul 2012 01:51:48
Just heard a rumour that the new Hawkeye goal line technology system will not be fitted at Rangers games as the set up does not work with jumpers and jerseys goal posts.....JohnnyG

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07 Jul 2012 01:23:24
Lennon saying will have to sell a star to compensate for no Rangers, here it begins. If newco go to third div then four years without our money, how many more will go?

Then it becomes harder to qualify for CL as coefficient will go down the toilet, then it becomes even harder. Do you think Celtic will still spend when they win the title by thirty points?
They will buy lesser players whic means no CL.

What happened to the story that no Rangers does not affect our plans, that lasted four days, now the truth is emerging.

Due to sad, bigoted behaviour on both sides, hatred and sheer bloodlust has resulted in what is going to be a disaster for the Scottish game. It is the kind of behaviour that would be seen in the primary school playground.

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If you actually knew what you were talking about you would know Celtic have been pushing the youth agenda for years.Buy good young players with sell on value,add the best home grown youths.This is what all clubs,out with the EPL need to do.

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I think you will find that it was Rangers financial actions that has resulted in where we are today, nothing to do with bigotry.

Mac2.

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Maybe so, but everyone knew this from the start. Celtic never said they needed Rangers but instead said they could survive without them. Losing one star at Parkhead isn't big news. Losing almost all your stars at Ibrox is. The difference is that Celtic are in great financial health and the fact that they have assets to sell to compensate for Rangers incompetence, which is affecting all other clubs, says alot about their strength. Don't be under any other illusions that now your debts are wiped you will rocket to the top with warchests of cash. No one will touch Sevco with a barge pole. They are like a young person trying to enter the housing market. No history, no money and an uncertain future with a mountain to climb. In essence listen to the old Rangers mantra before you start looking across the city. Stop worrying about Celtic and look at your own. You're so obsessed with Celtic that the fact you take your eye off your own club allows more wrongdoing to happen at a time when Sevco needs their fans to scrutinise their own club more than any time before.

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Agree with some of your post mate but answer 1 question what were other teams and the sfa supposed to do with the oldco,just carry on regardless.What kind of signal would that have been sending

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OP think this through, really think it through. It is estimated that Celtic will lose £3m a year through Rangers not being in the SPL. £3m to all but guarantee being Scotland's representative in the Champions League qualifiers where, of the twenty teams going down the Champions route we are currently third seeds. It is not a group of elite teams believe me. The quality of opposition in last seasons Europa league section was better by far. Besides even if the rest of the Scottish teams in Europe do miserably the affect on the Scottish co-efficient will be minimal as it is a tiny part of a teams overall ranking. So Celtic take a hit of £3m for at least three seasons with a £12m pot of gold awaiting them every time providing they beat modest opposition. As sole representatives we would also get the whole amount of cash allocated to Scotland. There are maybe eight to ten clubs in Europe all but guaranteed a bite at the Champions League, not one English team might I add, such is the competition down there. Man U, Man C, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs, a resurgent Liverpool, Everton, Newcastle all fighting for four places. Everyone of them would pay £3m for an almost guaranteed bite at the cherry. I'm not saying guaranteed entry to the Champions League, just an almost guaranteed opportunity to be the representative. We (Celtic) in that respect are almost the envy of Europe right now if you ask me. So don't worry about us and in the mean time enjoy the Ramsden Cup.
Gaz

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4) op here, I just don't understand why not paying NI aNd Paye has got to do with SPL. If it was Scottish Power instead of HMRC that we didnt pay would we be guilty of lack of sporting integrity. Of course not, but SPL seem to think that they have a morally higher ground than HMRC who are not coming after newco for old co sins and yet SPL are. I truely believe that if this had happened at any other time of the season, when season tickets were not due, that newco would have been voted in. The matters are complicated by the fact that fans of other clubs are threatening their clubs, and they are doing that not because of anything other than hatred.
So now common sense not only for Rangers
but for the good of the Scottish game.
It has now got silly where our fans are demanding div three just to get back at those fans of other clubs. It really is school kid stuff.
I am afraid we are a small minded, bigoted, ignorant nation which could end in the demise of the national game

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@6
Article 50 of UEFA financial fair play regulations. Therefore it is the football authorities business.
Al

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07 Jul 2012 01:10:57
Will somebody please explain to me why this clamber of Rangers fans wanting div three. This to my mind is utter stupidity.
Can we be honest about this please, I believe the fans want to make those suffer the way they have made us suffer. It is nothing more than the behaviour of ten year old schoolboys.
It is time this attitude changed and immediately.
Why do we want to go to div three, have any of you
Had the misfortune of watching div three football?
It is pathetic, no better than junior level. So you want a year in div three, div two, div one, three years of nothing. How many of those calling for this will be there, I bet no more than ten thousand. Is that what you want?
I have been there with less than 10,000 people, it is awful.
Stop being stupid, stop the tit for tat schoolboy stuff, forget the sporting integrity thing (nothing to do with sporting integrity, we didnt pay a bill). Let's be honest, div three will probably end us once and for all, is that what you want?

The RST are saying they don't want the sporting integrity to be levelled at us in the future, it is not us making the decision, if they decide on div one, then they need to explain sporting integrity, not us.

So let's do everything we can to get into div one, let's not be totally stupid. You want your club to play on div three with a huge revenue reduction, some fans you are.
I want the best for my club, and the best possible is div one.

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Agree 100%. Time for common sense and a little compassion.

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Much of the football in the "premier league" isn't much better than junior level to be completety frank- I've commented on this often while watching this level with friends long before this gers situation ever unfolded.

If the only way to "get our dignity back" is to start again, as a lot of people say, then it's better to do that. If we take some of those who've sat in judgement over us of late, so be it.

Anyone who can't understand the "spite"/ malice many rangers supporters may bear towards others for the fairly unedifying spectacle and blood-lust that has unfolded from the moral majority/ "sporting integrity" collective is off their rocker quite frankly. As a rule, they want us dead mate (their supporters anyway), all their chairmen care about is the financial implications for themselves. No-one gives much of a damn about supporters of RFC. That's up to them. I'm certainly no for "turning the other cheek" though. Give them what they want and let's see who's still alive when we're back and have "earned" our place at the hallowed top table that is the spl. Should actually be quite interesting.

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1) it's human nature if someone hurts you you want to hurt them back big time.
2) most people agree that 3 years is the least amount of time it will take to sort out the mess we currently find ourselves in.

Ic

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At last - an honest Rangers supporter ! All this "we want Div 3" is nonsense - you are all praying for Div 1 . However, you can't always get what you want and you will be lucky to get into the SFL at all.

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Just think if we go to division three and earn our way back up to SPL we can hold our heads high and I also think it will be enjoyable watching us acheive it.Just my opinion.

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It's to preserve sporting integrity which is what everyone seems to be crying out for as any newco should start in div3,also one of the main reasons for so many rangers fans voting for this...including ally mcoist i must add...is because our squad is threadbare with only around 6 first team players after the rest jumping ship with no idea if there is to be a transfer embargo imposed i doubt this rangers team would even finish in the top 3 of div 1 which is a very competetive league therefore div 3 makes sense,start afresh and build our squad with a solid foundation and if any espee-el clubs go bust due to this "sporting integrity" then tough titties,they cant have it both ways

ian

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Kind of agree with you.

But what annoys me and probably most others is the way the SFA want to bend the rules to save the TV deals. No way would any other club get this same preferential treatment (other than Celtic).

Also remeber than Rangers broke away from the SFL by creating the SPL. Can't have it both ways. Out of the SPL doesn't mean automatically going into SFL. They have rules too.

If there was only a SFL structure then Rangers would probably be demoted to what is now SFL1 anyway, but that wasn't the structure greedy Rangers and other clubs wanted, now, was it?

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Why Div 3? Think about it. The SPL/SFA give the SPL teams a vote in the future of Newco in the SPL. The chairman of these clubs panic, as their fans tell them they will not buy season tickets. What to do? Pass the buck by having a vote amongst the fans (we all knew which way they would vote - the bile was spewing all over these pages!). Now the Chairmen of these other clubs still need the revenue generated by Newco being either in the SPL (Not happening) or very close to it, so agree to work quietly and closely with the SPL/SFA to shoe horn Newco into the SFL1 to protect their revenue stream (The SFL clubs are not happy with this, I wonder why?). Newco missing from the SPL from one year will still keep the sponsors/tv people on board but Div3 will not. WE ARE NOT A CASH COW for the SFA/SPL or anybody else, they preach about Sporting Intergrity but i don't see much practising of it. We go to DIV 3 with our heads held high and start to repair ourselves. But we do it on our own terms, NO-ONE elses. Thats why we go to DIV 3. End of rant.

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At last, a bear with common sense . very well said that man. alas my friend you are a solo voice in a choir of self destruction and revenge. shamrock

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@4. Dont believe it!! Div.3 IS what we want. ~You can all have what you want.

GDog
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8) op here, I agree with you about the reasons why they want us in div one. But I disagree that our heads are held high, mines not and won't be in div three. I really believe div three will kill us off altogether. How many realistically will follow div three. If very lucky we might get 15,000 at much reduced season ticket prices, so where is the money coming from?
All seem to be assuming that 40,000 will turn up and we will rebuild but there won't be anything like 40,000 there. So how do we rebuild?
We need to have a year in div one, sign some frees and get back to where we are quicker.
Three years of vastly reduced attendances, no Europe, reduced ticket prices cannot do us any good at all.

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OP - agree with most what your saying, except for the part about Rangers fans being made to suffer. That's not how things are. Sure, your catching the usual 'football style' banter from fans of other clubs. But it would be the same if the shoe was on the other foot.

The reason you guys are suffering is because your previous custodians mismanaged your club. You are being liquidated and as yet, your NewCo don't yet have a league to play in. A vote was taken and the newco was not granted enter to the SPL and are now applying to join the SFL. So I'll re-iterate, your fans are not being singled-out, "fans of other clubs want the same rules that were applied to Gretna, Livingston etc to be applied to you".

I'd also point out that if there has be any singling out in this whole situation, it has been to give your club a hand out of the predictament RFC got themselves into. The SPL heard your case for staying in the SPL(did Livi or Gretna get this?)
The SFL are being pressured to find a place for you in SFL1 (did Livi or Gretna get this?)
The SFL are now allowing other team to apply for the vacant league slot (again, preferential treatment!)

Suffer, don't kid yourselves... it could be whole lot worse if every rule that should be getting followed, and would be followed for all other non-old firms clubs, was applied.

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@11. We will have to cut our cloth accordingly, but i believe there will be more than enough fans to support the team and turn out in numbers. A tight reign on finances is essential but provided the fans turn out at ibrox - i'm not naive enough to suggest it will be filled with 50,000 every other week, but as many as possible will give us a fighting chance. Players will have to accept the realistic wages that will be on offer, then we supplement the team with a mixture of the current squad and youth squad, we should be able to climb through the lower leagues without difficulty. It's not all doom and gloom, yes there will be sacrifices to be made, but as long as the fans are true to their word and come out and support the team then the future looks bright. I for one will be there.

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11. How do you know that 40,000 won't be there at ibrox every other week? the fans know the situation and what it will take to get us back up. New shirt sales, season ticket sales, merchandising, new sponsorship deals (Ok won't be as much as the SPL), etc etc etc. You are assuming we're dead and buried before we've started. A little faith and the fans to support in large numbers and we're on our way back. Chin up.

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I think the majority of the Rangers fans want Div3 but really dont think Ally or the owners want it, no matter what they say.
If they did want Div3 then there would be no need of a SFL vote.
Gers cant be forced into Div1 by SFA.

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06 Jul 2012 23:37:14
not in favour of job cuts, but there are 9 people listed as "coaching staff" at Ibrox.
No doubt all were or are on BIG wages.
Surely a div 3 club doesn't need ALL of that ?

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Makes you wonder what these guy's have been doing.

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More coaches than players - they could have one each !

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A div1 club doesn't either. But if div1 next season Rangers will want those staff for the following season, assuming they are promoted.

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06 Jul 2012 22:40:55
Davis signed for Southhampton. Another
"LOYAL PLAYER" leaves us for nothing

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One of the most over rated rangers captains i ever seen who spent many games hiding,southampton's about his level if you ask me

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That's because his employer went into liquidation thus voiding the contract between them. Why can't people see this?

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06 Jul 2012 22:38:33
Stevie Davis signs for premiership new boys, what a shame, where are we going to get the monies to replace all this talent, I think we're totally screwed, dejected bear

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Patience is virtue my fellow bear.
As much as I would rather we got accepted into the first division I believe the third division is the best solution. Thirteen players turned up for training, six of them first team players, a squad that small would struggle in the first division, especially with a transger embargo and possible point deduction.
By starting in the third division, a part time league I might add, we can start a rebuilding process and increase the squad size, cheaply, and by the time we get to the first division we will have enough players to fight for promotion back to the SPL.
Ian Black has already agreed to join Rangers only if we are accepted into the first division, to me that speaks volumes, clearly we are still an attractive club if a player of his quality (nothing spectactular, but still a good player) is willing to bide his time for clarification on what league we will be playing in.
Once we are back in the SPL we can worry about monies replacing this talent!

TTG

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Davis has played in the epl in the past and couldn't cut it. I fully expect him and Whittaker to play a few games before they are found out and loaned to lower league teams.

Ic

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You can't have a transfer fee for a player who isn't under contract.

If the CVA had worked then transfer fees would have gone towards a pence/pound settlement anyway.

You can't have transfer fees to spend when you have debts to settle.

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Div 3 is the best choice for a few reasons. 1) What a story the journey back to the top flight it will be and if the journey back is handled properly, it'll heap positive news on the club meaning our worldwide fan base will surely grow. Serious $ there bears and something the club should have been tapping into years ago .2) Div 3 would also go a long way to healing some of the wounds within the Scotish game
3) I happen to agree with those that feel Peter Lawell and the Celtic board would like nothing more than to see a continuation of the abuse being thrown our way. A drop to Div 1 would certainly guarantee more years of that and it would provide the excuse for it to happen.

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Davis will get found out down there again.He bombed at Villa and bombed at Fulham and if he wasn't an Ulsterman he would have bombed up here. I for one am glad he has gone, when Southampton get relegated Davis will find his level in the championship

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06 Jul 2012 22:29:50
My curiosity got the better of me n i went on the celtic rumours site today. one post suggested that all SPL clubs just sell out or get as close to selling out their stadiums every week to prove rangers are not needed........if only it was that simple eh?!
I expect initial attendances to be pretty decent as a show of some sort of defiance to rangers n solidarity regarding claims that we are needed in the SPL but to think hibs, motherwell, st mirren n co will continue to pack out their stadiums every week is bonkers!!! Yes hearts n hibs packed hampden for the cup final but over half the fans that were sat in each end wouldnt know what colour the seats are at tyncastle or easter road. much easier to sell tickets to a cup final in may than a home game to ICT on a cold novembers day.
i think the real winners in all this will be clubs in div 3,2 n 1. Rangers will hopefully start in div 3 n our loyal support that has kept SPL teams going for so long will now line the pockets of your smaller clubs. Lets hope our presence in the lower leagues benefits these smaller teams financially as it will do us morally.
J1985

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Probably find half the tickets at the cup final were corporate tickets.
Paul Belfast

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Of course overall takings will be down because of the tens of thouands of Rangers fans not coming through SPL turnstiles.

But what would have hypothetically happened if Rangers played so badly they were relegated? Would clubs be having the same discussion?

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OP my curiosity got the better of me. really ? dont be embarrassed , we all do it. i'm on here all the time just to see how deluded you all still are. shamrock

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While I agree J1985 I think it's equally presumptious that Rangers will get huge support at Ibrox week in week out to, 2nd biggest average support in Scotland over the season, absolutely, but come next May, if in Division 3, I think 32,000 would be a great achievement. Like everyone else there will be a initial desire to go but it will drop off.

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@3,

We are not deluded enough to believe you do not have an obsession with our club, get over it, you ll feel better for it.

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06 Jul 2012 22:15:04
Neil Lennon saying we need our supporters to back the team more than ever because we are going to be hit financially by the loss of Rangers in the SPL.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2169734/Rangers-crisis-Neil-Lennon-expects-absence-hurt-Celtic.html

Earlier his boss stated that CFC do not need any other club. So why exactly is the manager making this statement?

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Hence the reason CFC kept quiet over newco fc,as no matter what celtics vote they would have the usual bile& you must have waited soooo long to have a dig at the champions manager eh?with the ongoing pantomime at dodo fc..ILWT

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His chat was full of contradictions. "The gers situation doesn't affect our signing targets"- rubbish. You need to cut your cloth too mate. The "please back the team" plea is telling. I have a feeling this mantra will be oft repeated in the coming months.

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@1
So where in your post have you answered the question raised by the OP?
Why is PL saying one thing and NL another?

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They kept quiet because any comment would result in anyone connected with Celtic recieving the 'Lenny' treatment from Rangers fans, or Sevco as they are now called.

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Op, old rangers brought 8000 to paradise twice a season, over 3 seasons thats 48,000 . lets say 50,000 and lets say at £50 a ticket, i know it's not that but easy counting . 50 times 50000 = £2.5m. we can make that up no problem without selling izaguirre, ki, ledley, brown, commons, matthews, mulgrew, hooper , stokes, samaras, i could go on . we have another 10 or so that would easily fetch more that that. so you would be much much better off worrying about your own team... div 3, won't sustain ibrox mp acp, 250 season books sold, a squad of 13, do you really think there is any point in your post , trying to have a go at celtic . we have a mole hill to overcome and you seem to choose to ignore everest.. shamrock

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@3 The 2 statements are not mutually exclusive. From a business point of view, Celtic have a business plan where they will survive without Rangers, but they will still be hit financially, like all other SPL clubs, but not to the extent that it threatens the survivability of the club.
Al

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06 Jul 2012 21:36:02
true rangers fans,I bet there's a lot of tims commenting on this site,that's the problem with the internet.
The spirit of glasgow rangers will live forever,in whatever team name etc.
We need to learn from this.
When tv money goes down,teams can only afford less quality players than now,quality goes down etc the epl will get bigger.
It nearly brings a tear to my eye that there are so many do-gooding people out there who are so concerned with sporting integrity.(itchy chin).rf

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We know all spl clubs will be hit in the pocket but do you realise that in div 3 or div 1 the income is next to nothing so how do we build and strengthen to make our assault on scottish football .look at the real world can we ever be the same old team ever again

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@1. You live within your means in each Div. Only spend what is required to move on up. Its achievable.

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06 Jul 2012 20:46:47
Craig Beattie and Suso Santana quit hearts would be good players to get on free transfer:)

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Santana signed for CD tenerife. Beattie would do a job though. Saying that i think its time for the young lads to shine!

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I suspect they have at least half an eye on Rangers, especially Beattie. Could Rangers match their Hearts pay?

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06 Jul 2012 20:00:01
Am I missing something cause as I was aware the transfer embargo has been legally overturned and we were only talking about agreeing to it to get back in the spl. Surely gloves are off now and they tell them we are accepting no sanctions and no acceptance of oldco's misdemeanours as they have no legal responsibility for them.

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If complete new club with no sanctions then it is div 3 if you get into div1 then sanctions will apply

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Not overturned, just sent back for consideration. And not linked to SPL. SFA can choose to uphold it if they want (perhaps leading to another legal challenge).

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06 Jul 2012 19:58:01
has anyone considered what spartans view on the predicament we find ourselves in surely they must fit the criteria for div 3 just a thought anyone got a view on this

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Not only happy with Gers being booted to Div 3 you now want us out of existence completely - Oh but wait your right Spartans would bring so much more to the table than a club with a worldwide loyal fan base and massive commercial benefits to all the other Scottish clubs who have so much sporting integrity!

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You would be exceedingly brave/ stupit as a Spartans to lodge an objection to Gers sfl application. I think they will realise this. They'll be hoping the "pyramid system" comes out of all this though. That's the way forward for them.

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06 Jul 2012 19:47:01
I thought the transfer ban was overturned. Why did McCoist say it was still in place?

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