Rangers Banter Archive September 07 2017

07 Sep 2017 22:55:58
Had a chat with an ex player yesterday. no juicy information to share, but he did give his take on what's happening at ibrox at the moment. He reckons pedro is up against a fair bit of resistance, primarily from the British players. He reckons pedro is trying to improve the players on a tactical level and that most of his sessions are based on this. The problem he faces is that british players have never been trained this way and consequently dismiss his ideas through ignorance. He used the example of oliver burke going to leipzig, blessed with all the talent and physical attributes you could ask for. Hardly started a game and got punted to west brom with the leipzig coach saying he was completely unable/ unwilling to take complex tactical instruction. The ex player reckons the underachievement of British nations over the years and of British clubs in Europe given their budget, is down to the lack of time spent educating our players on tactics. Compare windass and the Portuguese winger. windass probably more talented but most of us would probably be more comfortable relying on the Portuguese. Fascinating take on things. For the record, he reckoned Pedro would lose his job at some point as the task of changing the whole culture of a nation would be too great a task.

08 Sep 2017 00:29:22
Wilson, Good post. Could easily believe that.

08 Sep 2017 02:27:16
Pedro Caixinha sounds like a smart guy maybe he is but when your trying to teach tactics to players like josh windsass and wow rangers tv on the spot tells you everything about him lol not saying every British player is a dumb **** but when you compare the likes of america with there fancy soccer scholarships and Germans national team has every squad player with A+ qualifications, just not enough intelligent British players am afraid for tactics even micheal owen can't even make a cup of tea!

08 Sep 2017 07:13:42
If i remember rightly i think Wenger had the same problem at Arsenal trying to implicate things like tactics, nutrition etc but stuck to his ways, got some French players in and the English based players eventually bought into it aswell and it paid off for him.

08 Sep 2017 11:02:59
I like the European philosophy however I reckon it only really works with top end players. A player who relies on grafting cannot be coached this way, unfortunately I'm not sure we have the skilled players who fit this style. Maybe in time but will his methods be given time?

08 Sep 2017 12:33:41
this type of change takes longer than some rangers fans are willing to wait but i would prefer to give the guy this season to start making us look better with the chance of getting europe next year and maybe more money to spend on players that can listen to his tactics and see them through. this board for me hasn't done anything wrong and has only tried to help us as a club since they took over and i trust they are doing the same with pedro trying to help us be a better team than we where last season

08 Sep 2017 19:40:00
It all starts at grass root levels. Kids learn quickly and if the right youth development it implemented at an early stage. And continued through the players development then any tactical approach should be absorbed and delivered on the pitch.

07 Sep 2017 19:51:56
Anyone who's not seen Beermand goal the other day for Malta U21 is missing a worldie, what was interesting was he was wearing number 11 and on the left which would tell me he was playing left wing not wing back, he looks class in this position frim what I've seen and the times he got foreward for our 1st team last year.

07 Sep 2017 21:50:02
just take into account its one goal, for the u21 of one of the bottom three international teams in europe. took the goal well but let's not get carried away

07 Sep 2017 12:24:49
i see MOH says Pedro was difficult to understand, hear hear, the man talks in riddles all the time.
Also i see Pedro has kicked up a relationship with Mexican outfit Chivas, i hope his intentions are to send back the two impostors to their own country.

07 Sep 2017 13:04:59
ritchie give the guys a chance thay have hardly had game time

07 Sep 2017 15:52:56
Peds11, they've hardly had game time is a true statement. If I were a professional footballer sold for a million or two quid, I'd be damn sure I was fit and ready to play. Football is football worldwide, okay it's faster and more aggressive here than in Mexico no doubt but all this molly coddling, let them settle in, let them gel with the squad is hogwash and time we can't afford. Walker and McLean at half the price wouldn't have needed the excuses.

07 Sep 2017 18:18:30
South American's do generally need a bit of time to adapt to our game.

You hardly get any time on the ball and the way teams set up against us doesn't help that much either.

Hope they come good, but its far too early to be judging them guys.

The big man got his first goal, that might give him a bit of confidence now.

07 Sep 2017 23:02:06
To say pena isn't fit is quite simply not true. He has been kept back as he has struggled to get to grips with the 100 mile an hour nature of the game in this country. Apparently wanting too much time on the ball even in training. TBF the game here is unlike pretty much any other nation. It's essentially a tactically void kick and chase game. Understandable that pedro wants to wait till he has acclimatised before subjecting him to our pretty unforgiving fans. Plenty of whom would have him written off as an imposter after a couple of bad games.

08 Sep 2017 12:46:37
kfrazer i take it u want us to be winning the league this year.
it won't happen and that not the players or managers fault its just too much to ask for a team to gel well enough in its first season especially when we aren't spending 7-8 million on each player.
these players are cheap and even at a couple of million its not record breaking stuff.
give them time and its not hogwash these guys do need time and will gell after a while

07 Sep 2017 08:18:44
Keep reading on various sites about how suspect Celtic defence is and wonder where people get this notion.

League. Celtic score 8 concede 2
Rangers score 7 concede 5

League cup Celtic score 5 concede 0
Rangers score 6 concede 0

Europe. Celtic score 13 concede 4
Rangers score 1 concede 2
This with a makeshift team of 2 boys and a mid playing in this dodgy defence.

07 Sep 2017 09:04:46
how is this relevant?

07 Sep 2017 09:38:55
It's relevant because some fans believe the myth that there defence is dodgy and can be got about with pressure. all I am saying is yes in Europe against really good teams and the makeshift defence due to injuries they are vulnerable but some fans still maintain they are rubbish defensively and the figures above sort of dispell that myth. also last season with basically the same team domestically they outscored every other team had the best defence record won an undefeated treble even the league cup without conceding a goal. in Europe yes they will be destroyed and prob embarrassed but against psg and Bayern what Scottish team wouldn't. all I am saying saying they are average only makes some on hear feel good not that it is necessary true

07 Sep 2017 10:22:46
Think st Johnstone manager gets best out of o halloran maybe if we had a real manager o halloran would be better player

07 Sep 2017 10:42:08
Not conceding a lot of goals doesn't purely come down to having a good defence it also helps when the whole team press high up the park which they do well in all areas. if any team in the world stand off and allow crosses to come into the box there bound to concede at least once as its the hardest thing to defend when a balls whipped into the box and you have 5 guys running towards the goal. I've seen Barca, Real etc all lose goals from set plays but not often because the very rarely let opponents get crosses over

07 Sep 2017 13:13:25
johnny g i take it your a stats man?
this isn't fifa!
if u watch their games their weakest part of their team is defence but that is because celtic are never under pressure in the spl.
thats why those stats state that and not to do with actual defending .

suggestion; try actually watching football

07 Sep 2017 14:30:37
Peds, sorry to keep disagreeing and replying to your post, but you do talk some crap.
Everyone knows the defence is the worst part of their team, but it was still well capable of dealing with anything the SPFL threw at them, as you state yourself. Therefore, you would have to agree that the problem is not with their defence, but with the quality of attack in the teams they need to complete against to win the league, i. e. SPFL.

07 Sep 2017 14:31:15
Pedsl1 I do watch football and don't know anything about fifa ( too old for games) it is irrelevant regarding teams putting pressure on in Scotland the point I was trying to make was some on here and other sites like to claim they are pish they are average they have a poor defence they are lucky. well they play the same teams as we do but seem to perform so much better. it is people that believe these claims. all I am saying you can't go 53 games ( domestically ) undefeated if you are pish, average poor defensively or lucky. and people are deluding themselves thinking they have all these faults. only trying to be realistic and remember they still have their first choice defenders and striker to come back from injury. how do you think we would fair with first 2 choices of defenders and top striker unavailable since beginning of season?

07 Sep 2017 15:29:57
Ridiculous post. Absolutely nonsensical.

You're talking about their defence and include goals scored. Why?

You've also bizarrely posted rangers goals scored and against.

Are you trying to show they've had a better start to the season? We all know that they have since they've got more points,

That you wasted so much time writing this makes me laugh though. I can only assume you're trolling.