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08 Apr 2011 23:55:37
Thats exactly where religion hatered is started
bob an paddy play 2gether from the age of 2 till there
5 then when they become 5 the go to different schools an paddy is at 1 gate shouting abuse
to bob it is the catholic church who won't allow schools to be as 1 an they shd take the blame
and its they way they are brought aswell
mums and dads are to blame aswell K
08 Apr 2011 23:21:04
Sectarianism: Aint this started at the age of 5 when kids who have maybe played together since the age of 2 or 3 then have to go to "seperate" schools. Maybe if everyone was schooled together then religion wouldn't play a major part in football.
Only a thought {Ed003's Note - A good thought)
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Sorry Ed, i don't think it's a good thought.
There are Faith schools all over the world, with no problems whatsoever, in England there are no problems with R. C schools, i went to a Catholic school, and anyone who did, will tell you, we were taught to respect all religions. My brothers boy is a catholic, but he goes to his local school which is not R.C, and he still gets the religious abuse because of his name, and the team he supports, i don't really want to get into the tit for tat, but this schooling stuff is a complete myth, as countries all over the world will testify to.
paddybhoy
08 Apr 2011 23:24:13
Sectarianism: Aint this started at the age of 5 when kids who have maybe played together since the age of 2 or 3 then have to go to "seperate" schools. Maybe if everyone was schooled together then religion wouldn't play a major part in football.
Only a thought {Ed003's Note - A good thought)
Completely agree religious schools should not be taxpayer funded. It is sending a message to children that they are different. If parents want to send there kids to religious schools then they should pay for it themselves.
08 Apr 2011 23:03:53
Sectarianism: Aint this started at the age of 5 when kids who have maybe played together since the age of 2 or 3 then have to go to "seperate" schools. Maybe if everyone was schooled together then religion wouldn't play a major part in football.
Only a thought {Ed003's Note - A good thought)
08 Apr 2011 21:37:20
RE: the tiger - always singing! {Ed001's Note - by that logic would you say it is ok to give others racial abuse? Perhaps we should revert back to the days of slavery as many of our forefathers owned or were slaves. Religion should be removed from football, that includes religious songs, it is not a platform for religious cults to push their ideals onto others. It should be a sport and about the sport, to bring people together in friendly competition and rivalry. Instead of enforcing an ancient divide that should long ago have been removed.}"
ED, you are 100% right with your post. What has football got to do with religion? I am a rangers fan through and through, when I read the news I am embarrassed about what I read. Four times in the last five yearought great club has had investigations against us by Uefa and a small number of fans cannot see this. This is damaging towards the club. It's time our fans moved into the 21st century and moved on from all this nonsense!
08 Apr 2011 20:54:25
So is god save the queen to the scots.
08 Apr 2011 20:55:56
"SO IS SCOTLAND GOING TO GET BANNED ASWELL THEN BECAUSE THE FLOWER OF SCOTLAND IS RACIST TOWARDS ENGLAND THEN"
Forget about others, concentrate on yourself. Take responsibility. If you're singing sectarian songs STOP.
08 Apr 2011 20:17:58
SO IS SCOTLAND GOING TO GET BANNED ASWELL THEN BECAUSE THE FLOWER OF SCOTLAND IS RACIST TOWARDS ENGLAND THEN
08 Apr 2011 20:08:37
"I for one will be singing all the songs that have been sung for years at ibrox. they are part of our history & heritage and make no mistake about it, we are a club founded by people of church of scotland belief, for people of church of scotland belief and until the 80's only people of that belief could play for our club. there is nothing wrong with singing any song in public, in fact the police shut town centres to allow us to walk through them playing these songs. a discrace to our forefathers to take them away.
the tiger - always singing! {Ed001's Note - by that logic would you say it is ok to give others racial abuse? Perhaps we should revert back to the days of slavery as many of our forefathers owned or were slaves. Religion should be removed from football, that includes religious songs, it is not a platform for religious cults to push their ideals onto others. It should be a sport and about the sport, to bring people together in friendly competition and rivalry. Instead of enforcing an ancient divide that should long ago have been removed.}"
Absolute nonsense. The overwhelming majority of those who spout the sectarian songs to which you refer do not actively practice the protestant religion preached by the Church of Scotland. They have not been near a church in years, with the exception of funerals and weddings. As such they are not protestants. They are members of a tribe that call themselves "protestants". Those who do practice the protestant religion and do attend church do not spout such bigotry, are are thoroughly ashamed with people like you trying to associate themselves with the protestant religion.
And for your information, the Church of Scotland has publicly apologised for their past discrimination against catholics and Irish immigrants. Do you accept that teaching and apologise likewise?
08 Apr 2011 19:47:44
Anybody know any good Ethiopia football songs. . coz if we go back far enough. .thats where were all from apparently. . . who do they hate?
BHRYDO BHOY
08 Apr 2011 19:12:52
I for one will be singing all the songs that have been sung for years at ibrox. they are part of our history & heritage and make no mistake about it, we are a club founded by people of church of scotland belief, for people of church of scotland belief and until the 80's only people of that belief could play for our club. there is nothing wrong with singing any song in public, in fact the police shut town centres to allow us to walk through them playing these songs. a discrace to our forefathers to take them away.
the tiger - always singing! {Ed001's Note - by that logic would you say it is ok to give others racial abuse? Perhaps we should revert back to the days of slavery as many of our forefathers owned or were slaves. Religion should be removed from football, that includes religious songs, it is not a platform for religious cults to push their ideals onto others. It should be a sport and about the sport, to bring people together in friendly competition and rivalry. Instead of enforcing an ancient divide that should long ago have been removed.}
08 Apr 2011 18:27:21
I'm a Celtic fan and have just listened to Walter Smith's TV interview, where he admits to singing sectarian songs himself as a fan at Ibrox in the past and asks for Rangers fans to now stop singing such songs.
I have to say that I am incredibly heartened by Walter Smith's actions and he has to be commended.
This is exactly what is needed to help us rid Scottish football of sectarianism. I'd be delighted if both Celtic and Ranger's managers, as well as captains make similar efforts over the coming days and weeks.
We really need to create a culture where sectarian behaviour is totally unacceptable and the Old Firm send out the clear message that anyone behaving in that way is not wanted at their clubs.
This will help, as will strong policing and education in various forms as well as the ongoing efforts of the clubs which are to be commended.
But when you boil it all down to the lowest common denominator, the thing that will stop sectarian behaviour is when those who carry it out make the decision themselves to stop it. Only then will the problem be eradicated.
Sectarianism in Scotland is in many ways associated with the problems of Northern Ireland and Irish history. During the course of the recent "troubles" there were various attempts to stop the problems. But at the end of the day, what brought peace was when the people of Northern Ireland MADE THE DECISION TO STOP. Once you make a decision to stop, the problem stops, if you don't make that decision, it continues.
That is what we must all do, MAKE OUR OWN DECISION TO STOP. Do it now, and do not be tempted to ever go back.
Well done Walter, but lets all now make our own DECISION TO STOP.
08 Apr 2011 16:20:12
Here's my take on the Whyte deal.
Whyte is a very experienced businessman with vast experience of buying distressed companies. In doing so he will invariably play hard ball with the banks and typically purchase distressed assets and companies at massive discounts to their current value or debt, typically 60p in the £1.
With Rangers, Whyte knows he's the only show in town. What do Lloyds do if he walks away, who is going to pay off the debt, no-one. And Lloyds are selling of distressed assets at the 60p in the £1 level to other investors.
I think it is hype that Whyte is still negotiating with Rangers, he's had 6 months to do that. The main points he needs to negotiate with Rangers are to pay Murray £6m for his shares and for Rangers to take any liability for an HMRC fine.
Whyte will be trying to agree a deal with Lloyds to pay of the debt at around 60p in the £1, so if the club debt is £21m, he only pays Lloyds £12.6m.
Whyte is a hard nosed businessman and he is playing hard ball with Lloyds.
Only my thoughts, and nothing to back this up. Based solely on Whyte being a very astute businessman.
08 Apr 2011 16:33:37
A wee heads up chief, Weiss actually has the most assists at rangers i just found this stat out the other night there . . his problem lies in consistency u either get a lot outta him or get nothing it seems
GTID
I think his problem is the lack of support he gets after he receives the ball, once it goes to him, watch all the other rangers players run away. All he needs (Was usually miller doing this before) is someone to come short make space and play a simple one - two. I think it was the Motherwell game at Fir park, where this was the only time this happened and he tore them apart. Certainly still one for the future, hopefully its at Ibrox
Rikkisixx
08 Apr 2011 16:45:21
"Wit u talking about??? Was makin a point both fans are just as bad. Why not put a name to your post fool?
And re the investigation from Europe, that's wot it is an investigation, nothing had been proved.
C-bear85"
And do you seriously think that Rangers will not be found guilty. It may well be an investigation at this stage, but a blind man can see Rangers are going to be found guilty.
08 Apr 2011 17:06:38
To Michael
Was just trying to defend my team as were u. Am only a youngster compared to u guys. Tbh most my mates are celtic and all it is is banter. Its the same on here. Most the time I'm on the wind up. Don't mean to cause any offence.
C-bear85
08 Apr 2011 15:46:03
Fair doos you want to keep your annonymity, i personally think all the singing and banter should carry on, as long as no one gets physically hurt, far too much of this politicaly correct nonsense going on now, i don't understand how these moaning morons get so offended, on either side, for godsake grow up, one of the first things in young life you are taught is STICKS AND STONES. The old Firm without the atmosphere is nothing! We all love it, and we all equally on both sides condemn any acts of violence, i say have a drink, sing yer heart out and support yer team, behave and go home peacefully, job done. now lets get on with slagging each other rotten about things ON the pitch, on the safety of our computers and cheering us all up.
Bhrydo Bhoy. . . .
08 Apr 2011 15:34:15
Now comes the bit i might get all the stick for . . . Ill be the first to stick my neck out . . . have i sung certain songs being a gers fan . . . . Course i have . . been a fan many years and i would question any fan (not saying i would think they are guilty but would question them) to say that you have never sung a song that is considered possibly offensive or scream something in the heat of the moment that could be deemed the same. Have i sung them recently again yes i have. I am an aethiest i don't actually believe many of the things i say. There are a few reasons why i have in the past sung. . 1. atmosphere . . . 2. gettin caught up in the moment good or bad. . . 3. 100% clarification is it songs that are banned ?? certain words? if a new song is made up can it sung til it is banned how will we know if will be banned or allowed. . . . 4. being at an away game and being drunk.
Now if my team are gonna be the ones majorly done for this will i stop . . course i will my team are more important obv !
I aint saying anything is wrong or right just telling it like it is from the perspective of the fan that doesn't want to talk about this matter too openly.
However i do realise that i am fairly open minded and not that easily offended . . shocked . . annoyed yeah plenty of times lol but offended . . rarely . . i refuse to let people get to me that way . . i don't let them win!
I aint gonna post my name to this as I am quite a regular poster and don't want it held against me by some corners. Hopefully tho this can bring out a bit more honesty and common sense (something the old firm fans do lack wen it comes to the game!) instead of the constant sniping in which each team are trying to get one over on each other rather than sorting it out. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - as a Celtic fan, i can only say. . . well said mate. and yeah, in the past, I have been as guilty. what made me stop, and am the guy who mentioned earlier my fav player was mo johnston, was when my son, he was 4 at the time, now he is 8, asked me if it was okay if he liked Rangers, as his friend from nursery liked them! made me stop and think, take a step back. now encourage him to support any team and enjoy football. he now supports Celtic but have offered to take him to Ibrox and will one day. away games though still a problem, for both sides of the old firm but worse I believe for Rangers, took him to Hamilton vs Rangers not too long ago and the singing was a disgrace. What is more disgraceful however, and this is the bigger problem, is my boy asking me recently if all rangers players and fans hate catholics! told him of course not! he said that's what his friends tell him, have spoken to his teacher at the local catholic primary school and asked her to address this. . .she refused! so probably touching on a different, more difficult and thornier subject there, but this should be nipped in the bud now, before we have another generation of hate. . on both sides. michael
08 Apr 2011 15:16:37
Bluegenius.
a wee heads up chief, Weiss actually has the most assists at rangers i just found this stat out the other night there . . his problem lies in consistency u either get a lot outta him or get nothing it seems
GTID
08 Apr 2011 15:17:47
My name is michael and no prizes for guessing who I support! made a couple of posts earlier about complaints to uefa, fifa and sfa and the sectarian chanting charge and the disgraceful singing about tommy burns. also mentioned bullets in the post and threats to neil lennon etc. for the record I have nothing at all against rangers or the majority of their fans, my fav player growing up was mo johnston and that didn't stop when he signed for rangers. (would want him to score but rangers to lose! ) I honestly can't remember any rangers player having bullets sent in post or death threats, as c-bear states, but I could be wrong of course. do remember rangers players cars being vandalised. a disgrace. listen, there is a distasteful element in the rangers support, their own player maurice edu was racially abused by his own fans not so long ago. my belief however is this, celtic for years have been picked on by the sfa, been their whipping boys. rangers, it would appear, are uefa's whipping boys in the sense that, although rangers fans, mostly on away games in europe, have behaved poorly and sang those songs, are they really any worse than fans from other sides?
for me, the worse fans in scotland belong to hearts and aberdeen! but u never hear about them! the ian durrant stuff spouted by aberdeen fans sickens me. and hearts have the most bigoted fans around!
chelsea fans no angels when it comes to sectarian chants either! tha fact is if scottish football was one of the big boys in europe, england, spain, etc, rangers would not be under investigation.
excellent points made earlier by rangers fan graeme and another who has supported rangers for 40 years. an idea to me would be this: if the singing starts, again, as submitted, probably by fans from ulster, instead of others joining in, simply boo them, or hush them. after a few games I am sure this simple action would eradicate the problem once and for all, would show that rangers fans can put their own house in order and the majority of decent fans can watch their team and enjoy their team. . . though being a celtic fan hope they don't enjoy too much!
I submit this, not to stir anything, just to put a point across.
and to c-bear, I recognise a proper and true football fan when I see one, no hard feelings or offence is intended by my posts here.
08 Apr 2011 15:13:21
BHRYDO BHOY
Re: well played Bhrydo . lol if it is you that posted, I for one am happy to say that truly i aint offended by anything that has EVER been sung at Parkhead (or anywer else for that matter) do i look down on you more wen you sing some songs . . yeah course i do. . . am I offended ?? to be honest the only way i would be properly offended is if I took the time to research the words been sung first ! !
Now comes the bit i might get all the stick for . . . Ill be the first to stick my neck out . . . have i sung certain songs being a gers fan . . . . Course i have . . been a fan many years and i would question any fan (not saying i would think they are guilty but would question them) to say that you have never sung a song that is considered possibly offensive or scream something in the heat of the moment that could be deemed the same. Have i sung them recently again yes i have. I am an aethiest i don't actually believe many of the things i say. There are a few reasons why i have in the past sung. . 1. atmosphere . . . 2. gettin caught up in the moment good or bad. . . 3. 100% clarification is it songs that are banned ?? certain words? if a new song is made up can it sung til it is banned how will we know if will be banned or allowed. . . . 4. being at an away game and being drunk.
Now if my team are gonna be the ones majorly done for this will i stop . . course i will my team are more important obv !
I aint saying anything is wrong or right just telling it like it is from the perspective of the fan that doesn't want to talk about this matter too openly.
However i do realise that i am fairly open minded and not that easily offended . . shocked . . annoyed yeah plenty of times lol but offended . . rarely . . i refuse to let people get to me that way . . i don't let them win!
I aint gonna post my name to this as I am quite a regular poster and don't want it held against me by some corners. Hopefully tho this can bring out a bit more honesty and common sense (something the old firm fans do lack wen it comes to the game!) instead of the constant sniping in which each team are trying to get one over on each other rather than sorting it out.
08 Apr 2011 15:02:43
Re:
I don't think we need Gilks and Bell if Greegs goes, one or the other, I'd prefer Bell. I'd also like Weiss back next season. Gomis and Skacel are both good players and would do a job for us. I really hope we don't sign Foster I just don't think he is good enough to be at Rangers. Lee Wallace would be a good shout as a LB.
GovanFR
Sorry Govan should maybe have pointed out I didn't think we would go for all these peeps! Just one to replace Greegsy!
I like Weiss but his runs don't come up with an end product enough for me. Long term loan is ok but unprofitable for us and would be willing to lay out millions for him due to lack of end result. I would much prefer youssef el arabi (google/ youtube him) as he his the more complete player.
Lee Wallace is a shout and crossed my mind but talk was of £2m and we can't spend that on a left back IMO.
Foster I think is an acceptable squad player. They can't all be stars. I think we forget the contribution of great teams we have had by people like fraser wishart, John Brown, Russel Latapy, etc that have filled the voids.
Bluegenius.
08 Apr 2011 14:44:34
In response to an earlier post, I personally don't agree whatsoever with republican singing at Celtic Park, i do respect the wearing/ selling of the poppy, as well as being a diehard celtic man, im also a proud scot, and ex-serviceman, but i also understand the irish background our club has. i don't get easily offended, by rangers fans or their singing, but obviously the lawlords at uefa do. . .
BHRYDO BHOY
08 Apr 2011 13:13:40
Out -
McGregor - £5m-£7m
Edu - £2m
Weiss - end of loan
Diouf - end of loan
In -
Gilks - Free
Bell - Free
Left and centre back cover - no idea who at mo!
Foster - £300k
Bartley - Further Loan
Gomis - Free
Murray Davidson - Free
Skacel - Free
Eremenko - £700k(wouldn't pay more)
Conway - free
Goodwillie - £1.5m
Youssef El Arabi - Caen £4m or Kone - Sevilla £3m
thoughts?
I don't think we need Gilks and Bell if Greegs goes, one or the other, I'd prefer Bell. I'd also like Weiss back next season. Gomis and Skacel are both good players and would do a job for us. I really hope we don't sign Foster I just don't think he is good enough to be at Rangers. Lee Wallace would be a good shout as a LB.
GovanFR
08 Apr 2011 13:27:02
"Ps I wonder if anything will be said about the behaviour of the Aberdeen fans at the darts singing anti Rangers songs and songs about Ian Durrant"
Unlikely I'm afraid. As per usual one rule for the old firm and another for the rest of football.we see it time and time again, for example the scottish cup reply being totally blown out or proportion. I'd like the SPL, SFA and UEFA to set down guidelines as to how we can fix this.it's no good them punishing rangers when they are trying to eradicate the idiots who seem set on destroying the club.
08 Apr 2011 13:40:07
Re sing out of tune
Wit u talking about??? Was makin a point both fans are just as bad. Why not put a name to your post fool?
And re the investigation from Europe, that's wot it is an investigation, nothing had been proved.
C-bear85
08 Apr 2011 13:59:31
Rangers have bewn fined 49k since 2006 for crowed troubles, Celtics been fined 89k in the same period for crowd troubles??? Pot callin the kettle? ?
C-bear85
08 Apr 2011 12:01:22
So C-bear85 did you get taught singing out of tune again, this time in Holland. When will you ever learn? Looks good on you.
I dunno maybe he was taught to sing out of tune, tried to make a smart post and failed. Love it
08 Apr 2011 11:46:57
Not rumours as such but a practical wish list taking into consideration we need numbers and don't have a fortune!
Out -
McGregor - £5m-£7m
Edu - £2m
Weiss - end of loan
Diouf - end of loan
In -
Gilks - Free
Bell - Free
Left and centre back cover - no idea who at mo!
Foster - £300k
Bartley - Further Loan
Gomis - Free
Murray Davidson - Free
Skacel - Free
Eremenko - £700k(wouldn't pay more)
Conway - free
Goodwillie - £1.5m
Youssef El Arabi - Caen £4m or Kone - Sevilla £3m
thoughts?
08 Apr 2011 11:04:08
RE:
I am a Rangers season Ticket Holder of more than 30 years standing and in that time will have attended between 1400 and 1500 games, home and away, when it comes to being a supporter I am the real McCoy, so I believe my opinion has validity.
For years I have been disgusted by the behaviour of a minority of Rangers fans, in the main those who travel from Northern Ireland and have transferred their politics and bigotry into Scotland, they of course influence the morons from this country who tag along with their Union Jacks and fascist salutes.
I have stood in away grounds with tears in my eyes listening to Rangers fans ridiculing their own country in favour of England and Britain and spewing sectarian bile.
Regretably I do not buy the Rangers mantra, supported by the media, that they have done all they can to eradicate this cancer. Bain and Co. must realise that the playing of God save the Queen and Rule Brittania by the stadium band merely reinforces in the tiny brains of the minority that whatever the club's public utterances the playing of these songs sends a signal that the club remain firmly in support of a Unionist/ Protestant position which is then interpreted as Anti Catholic by the minority.
My dream is that through a takeover we enter a new era for the club, one which celebrates our Scottishness and the glories of our footballing exploits. Why would a football fan choose to vaunt the Queen when we have so many great players to sing about.
Remove the Union Jack from above the stadium, take down the Queens picture from the dressing rooml, be proud to be from this side of Hadrian's Wall and develop a capacity which is naturally Scottish to embrace all cultures and creeds. Only this way will we ever fully enjoy the benefits of being a global sporting institution, In which all Scots not just Rangers fans can be proud.
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Well said my friend. I have been a supporter for almost as long although have not attended nearly as many matches. I was born south of the wall myself but have never been a royalist, loyalist or anything like it! I'm blue not orange!
08 Apr 2011 08:48:30
RE:08 Apr 2011 07:15:10
Poor old Rangers , big bad UEFA are out to get yous , I'm
sorry but yous have been the architects of your own
downfall , time after time Uefa has warned yous about
your singing of banned songs , which you can't deny , there
is clear video and audio evidence which has yous bang
to rights , add to that the loutish behaviour of Rangers
fans on various european trips , I'm afraid it has all finally
caught up with yous , no one has any sympathy left for
yous any more , Celtic have a problem element among
their support , but not anywhere nearly as bad as Rangers ,
it is time to pull your head out of the sand Mr
Bain , this could actually be a positive thing ,
as it might finally bring these idiots to their
senses , its 2011 and these songs are no
longer acceptable in decent society , neithet
are the rebel songs which are sung by Celtic
fans , I hope it has the right effect , though with
Mr Bain's stance , I fear nothing will change , the
chip is still on the shoulder .
Two points -
1) yous is not a word! the plural of the singular - you - is in fact also you. As in you lot are never in europe long enought to get kicked out.
2) Martin Bain is not claiming UEFA are out to get us but that this campaign is being instigated in Scotland.
However I do agree that we have a problem with an element of our fan base and this needs sorted so I support anything that will root out the spam on either side of the fence!
Bluegenius
08 Apr 2011 09:19:33
Editor- do u have the latest on the proposed takeover.last update was on tuesday but all is quiet from any media source. {Ed002's Note - There is nothing new at all.}
08 Apr 2011 09:37:27
Poor old Rangers , big bad UEFA are out to get yous , I'm
sorry but yous have been the architects of your own
downfall , time after time Uefa has warned yous about
your singing of banned songs , which you can't deny , there
is clear video and audio evidence which has yous bang
to rights , add to that the loutish behaviour of Rangers
fans on various european trips , I'm afraid it has all finally
caught up with yous , no one has any sympathy left for
yous any more , Celtic have a problem element among
their support , but not anywhere nearly as bad as Rangers ,
it is time to pull your head out of the sand Mr
Bain , this could actually be a positive thing ,
as it might finally bring these idiots to their
senses , its 2011 and these songs are no
longer acceptable in decent society , neithet
are the rebel songs which are sung by Celtic
fans , I hope it has the right effect , though with
Mr Bain's stance , I fear nothing will change , the
chip is still on the shoulder .
Re: the sort of response id expect from someone so poorly educated in the subject. What have rangers been charged with exactly i was under the assumption that the game was gonna be investigated?
08 Apr 2011 10:13:52
I am a Rangers season Ticket Holder of more than 30 years standing and in that time will have attended between 1400 and 1500 games, home and away, when it comes to being a supporter I am the real McCoy, so I believe my opinion has validity.
For years I have been disgusted by the behaviour of a minority of Rangers fans, in the main those who travel from Northern Ireland and have transferred their politics and bigotry into Scotland, they of course influence the morons from this country who tag along with their Union Jacks and fascist salutes.
I have stood in away grounds with tears in my eyes listening to Rangers fans ridiculing their own country in favour of England and Britain and spewing sectarian bile.
Regretably I do not buy the Rangers mantra, supported by the media, that they have done all they can to eradicate this cancer. Bain and Co. must realise that the playing of God save the Queen and Rule Brittania by the stadium band merely reinforces in the tiny brains of the minority that whatever the club's public utterances the playing of these songs sends a signal that the club remain firmly in support of a Unionist/ Protestant position which is then interpreted as Anti Catholic by the minority.
My dream is that through a takeover we enter a new era for the club, one which celebrates our Scottishness and the glories of our footballing exploits. Why would a football fan choose to vaunt the Queen when we have so many great players to sing about.
Remove the Union Jack from above the stadium, take down the Queens picture from the dressing rooml, be proud to be from this side of Hadrian's Wall and develop a capacity which is naturally Scottish to embrace all cultures and creeds. Only this way will we ever fully enjoy the benefits of being a global sporting institution, In which all Scots not just Rangers fans can be proud.
08 Apr 2011 10:14:26
Mr Bain needs to speak to Uefa and highlight the problems we have with sectarian songs but also put something in place to prove that we are trying to rid our club of this element. We have been praised before by Uefa for what we are doing but clearly more needs to be done to stop this. As a normal decent Rangers fan I found it extremely embarrassing switching on ITV4 and all I could hear was "naughty stuff". This is the reason that I will never take my son to any Rangers game, which breaks my heart, but until this is eradicated then I will not be going.
Maybe its time for all decent fans & society as a whole to step up to the mark to help sort this out as it is not only Rangers fans who do this but maybe the mentality of being a "90 minute bigot" is not acceptable anymore.
Let's hope we can do the club & our country proud by eliminating this sort of behaviour.
Ps I wonder if anything will be said about the behaviour of the Aberdeen fans at the darts singing anti Rangers songs and songs about Ian Durrant!
The Pilot!
08 Apr 2011 10:26:18
When are the minority, shameful element, of the Rangers support going to learn that what they are doing is jeopardising the future of the club? It could hinder them with future sponsors and players. It is only a minority element but it tarnishes the whole club.
Both Rangers and Celtic have their bad elements and their spam; both sets of fans largely come from similar backgrounds and areas. This brings with it societal issues and problems. The difference is the stigma attached to each minority's influence and type of songs they sing. There is much more ill feeling towards songs which are deemed sectarian; hence why Rangers are seen to have more problems than Celtic with their fans and have been fined on numerous occasions.
The Rangers hierarchy in the last 20 years or so have made strenuous attempts to eradicate the shameful element; I don't think there is much more they could have done. Punishing Rangers with a fine will not help. We as Rangers fan ourselves need to put an end to it. If we hear the songs being sung at games we need to make sure they are stopped immediately. If we can police ourselves then we stop the rut. Otherwise, it is likely to continue and the result will be Rangers playing games behind closed doors or at worst, non participation in European competition.
It would also help if we came up with more up-to-date songs; ones in which the whole crowd can join in. If the crowd are singing those then the minority are less likely to sing their songs.
Graeme
08 Apr 2011 07:15:10
Poor old Rangers , big bad UEFA are out to get yous , I'm
sorry but yous have been the architects of your own
downfall , time after time Uefa has warned yous about
your singing of banned songs , which you can't deny , there
is clear video and audio evidence which has yous bang
to rights , add to that the loutish behaviour of Rangers
fans on various european trips , I'm afraid it has all finally
caught up with yous , no one has any sympathy left for
yous any more , Celtic have a problem element among
their support , but not anywhere nearly as bad as Rangers ,
it is time to pull your head out of the sand Mr
Bain , this could actually be a positive thing ,
as it might finally bring these idiots to their
senses , its 2011 and these songs are no
longer acceptable in decent society , neithet
are the rebel songs which are sung by Celtic
fans , I hope it has the right effect , though with
Mr Bain's stance , I fear nothing will change , the
chip is still on the shoulder .
08 Apr 2011 01:26:50
Brhydo Bhoy when you say sort out your own house can I ask what your views are on the anti-remembrance day banner and singing of pro republican songs.
08 Apr 2011 01:30:26
C-Bear you are actually right, Celtic did not allow the sale of poppies around Parkhead for fear of upsetting their fans. Just google it if you don't believe us Celtic fans in denial about there fans.
08 Apr 2011 03:29:16
So C-bear85 did you get taught singing out of tune again, this time in Holland. When will you ever learn? Looks good on you.
07 Apr 2011 23:56:04
Who is holded?
And how many times has sum1 sed it's gona b done n the "next 24hrs"! !