Rangers Banter Archive January 08 2013

08 Jan 2013 19:47:45
What a pile of garbage this new suggested league format is. Where to start? Bottom and work up I suppose. 18 teams in the National League (Division 3). Therefore a straightforward home and away you would imagine. 34 games as opposed to the current 36, less income straight away, can't see any details but I'd like to think at least two promoted surely.

Then at the halfway stage the two 12's split into three 8's. In essence an SPL club with no points after 22 games can still stave off relegation and similarly a Championship team (Division 1) is by no means guaranteed anything even if they have 66 points out of 66. Will teams assured a spot in the middle division of 8 start cutting their cloth to suit around game 19? Saving players potentially on a suspension etc. Their points are going back to zero anyway.

Postponements, what if one league still has a considerable fixtures backlog after the 22 games? What if there is an exact tie? Before, fans of SPL teams couldn't organise plans for the last 5 fixtures with any degree of certainty. Now it will be 14 games! And again they are playing less fixtures, now 36 instead of 38!

The top division needs to get bigger and more than one promotion spot should be a must but this is ridiculous.

If I could add one thing to it, much as it's unfair on Highland League teams etc, the next six clubs that die, let them die and that is by no means a belated swipe at Rangers (I never thought they would, nor did I want it). I just mean 42 teams for a country of our size is ridiculous. Let it drop down, naturally, to three divisions of 12 and then implement a potential promotion/relegation at the bottom of the lowest division. A more than needed merger or two wouldn't hurt in the meantime, Inverness have proved that can work very well even with passionate, entrenched dissenters.

Gaz

It is the most ridiculous plan I have heard of. You have a league after the split where the teams have played different opposition. This plan is going to finish Scottish football once and for all. I can not see one plus for this.

08 Jan 2013 19:20:49
This proposed new league set up is a joke.
The top 2 leagues, premiership and championship(lovely names), split into 3 x 8 sub leagues.
The top sub league play for the title and euro spots.
The second sub league plays for promotion to the premiership league.
The third sub league presumably play to avoid relegation to the National League and the National League play for promotion to the Championship in the next season.
It is only the second sub league teams who have their points reset at the time of the split. Why? where is the sporting integrity in that? are all clubs not equal members of the same new single body set up? the points being reset should apply to all the sub leagues when the split happens.
Anyway the Austrian and Swiss FAs got rid of this system. They are rushing to get their soundbites out, certainly not sporting integrity and fan power.

Once again scottish football has shown itself to be the laughing stock of world football with this laughable new structure. most folk would want a 16 team top league. 16 team second league and the rest amateur. what benefit is there for us to win the third division. we are as well finishing last, as we will be in the same league anyway.

what a joke. i hope and pray one day we can get out of this league to another league, like some sort of european league. and stuff the lot of them. total joke. we can never forget these teams treatment of us when we do get back. never settle for two nil wins again. i want these persons beat 5 s and 6 s

09 Jan 2013 19:51:20
how many times are you going to post this comment....???
as for beating these teams by 5 and 6 and not settling for 2-0 why not achieve it consistently in Div 3 ( 4th tier) before threatening to do it to teams currently playing in leagues you at present can only aspire to play.......

as for the league re-construction i wasnt too sure about it but by the way all you bears are crying in your beer i feel it just has to be a good thing....

08 Jan 2013 17:34:10
I just don't understand what difference the new set up
will mean, how will it improve the game?

There is no more money, and it seems that the money
will be spread about more, surely that means that the
SPL (as it is called now) clubs will have less money. How
is that going to improve the standard?

I read a figure of £1m to be split between SFL clubs, I
think that there are some thirty clubs, is £30 k going to make any difference to the SFL clubs. I know £30k is a lot of money to some clubs but it is not enough to improve the standard.

The only good thing that I can see is that if the two bodies merge there should be some high profile departures as ther
Is a duplication of jobs. I hope Longmuir is in charge
and Regan and Doncaster are shown the door as they
should have been shown the door already.

I feel this is just a waste of time. I hate to say this as I am quite enjoying this season but the only way to improve
the top division is to have us in it. Without it there is no competition in the top division and the bottom division,
so that leaves one title up for grabs.

I think Longmuir has used Rangers as a bargaining chip for his own career. Longmuir will end up in a Directors capacity at the top level and he has agreed rangers to remain at bottom level next season.

It won't make a difference. It's just another in a long line of stupid ideas. I wonder how long it will be before they suggest one league of 42.

Blueice

Regan couldnt run a stall in a market a rel clown

I didn't expect the suits would come up with something radical or progressive to take our game forward. To them its all about how the top clubs slice up the pie, and people like Regan and Doncaster stay in their jobs. Same old, same old. 12 teams in our top flight died the death years ago, wasted opportunity. I hope the sfl say NO.

4 divs at present, new scheme 3 divs!

Big difference as rangers back in top level 1 year earlier. rush to get them back almost unsporting?

SPL is far closer than when old firm were part of it, and only one of them could win.

Rangers failure done huge damage to scotland football - possibly terminal.

Would be great if as ranger re-turn to top, they invigorate each league and improve those playing in them - to help rebuild scottish football from ground up, not just pay 10x what any other team in those leagues can afford.

appears bears just want to be back in SPL (or top div) and win 85% of all matches - fairy tale football.

If scotland had 5 strong teams, would be more exciting than just 2.

5) rangers are not going to top league any sooner. We are in fourth tier now. We will win the league and still be in bottom tier, so same time taken to top tier. This plan is the most stupid thing I have ever heard of. It maKes no sense at all.

Mate dyou use a calculator you bought off Del Boy trotter to come up with them calculations? Rangers under the new league structure will take the exact same time to get to the top Level. You just can't count. It starts next season and Rangers will be in the bottom 18 league.

@5. "4 divs at present, new scheme 3 divs! Big difference as Rangers back in top level 1 year earlier. rush to get them back almost unsporting?"

Only one 'div' as far as I can see mate, lol. I will try and make it as simple as I can for you. Instead of divisions lets refer to the leagues as tiers to avoid confusion (3rd division is in reality the fourth tier of Scottish football which may explain your obvious difficulty). We are currently playing in the fourth tier of a four tier league set up. Without any change we would have to gain promotion three seasons running to return to the first tier (i.e. win the fourth, third and second tiers). With the change, if it comes in next season, we will be in the third tier (this time of a three tier league) just as we would be by gaining natural promotion this year (unless you are suggesting we won't be promoted of course?). We would then still have to gain promotion from the third tier to the second tier and subsequently from the second tier to the first tier. In short, we would still require three promotions to reach the first tier of Scottish football just as we do now. So, to answer your question, firstly you are wrong about the 'one year earlier', and, secondly, there is clearly no 'rush to get us back' (nor should there be in my opinion) as we still need to win promotion through three tiers even if the proposed changes are introduced. What can possibly be unsporting about it? I do agree with your five strong teams would be better than two argument though. However, if you have watched any of our games this year you will know it is certainly NOT fairytale football, lol. I wish!

Brian

p.s. I would have two leagues of 16 (no split, 3 up 3 down plus fourth bottom/fourth top playoff) and a third league of ten (bottom league) personally as I think that would be beneficial to the game (changing the league cup to a champions league group stage format to compensate financially for the six lost league games if necessary) but that would never get off the ground as, apart from being too sensible and simple, that WOULD have resulted in the potential for a return one year earlier if we do get promoted this year. Just to be clear I would still be happy if two 16's and a 10 was first introduced the season after next negating any perceived injustice by the justice brigade.

@6 and @7

But in new scheme rangers can get to play SPL teams one year earlier... devil is in the detail (2nd 8 spit from div1 play spl teams, if gers in this, they play spl teams 1 year earlier) ... but detail important.

Also div1 to spl is 2-4 teams up/down not 1. Again easing the route for which team?

9}if it does change this year rangers would be in bottom 18 for one season no mater what . then start 14/15 in second division, which means it would be the split that season i.e. 2015 before you would play spl teams . if promoted it woud be season 15/16 at the earliest you would start in the spl/prem what ever its called. if things stayed as they are, the earliest you would be in spl, yes season 15/16 . so absolutely no difference, apart from this. to get promotion to top league you are going to be competing against 4 teams from a division higher than yourselves . and all starting from scratch for those 14 matches . . i, m not convinced by new set up by the way .. shammy

Once again scottish football has shown itself to be the laughing stock of world football with this laughable new structure. most folk would want a 16 team top league. 16 team second league and the rest amateur. what benefit is there for us to win the third division. we are as well finishing last, as we will be in the same league anyway.

what a joke. i hope and pray one day we can get out of this league to another league, like some sort of european league. and stuff the lot of them. total joke. we can never forget these teams treatment of us when we do get back. never settle for two nil wins again. i want these persons beat 5 s and 6 s

08 Jan 2013 12:38:01
seen you in the grog and gruel the otha day m8 {The Ed039's Note - No you didnt, maybe the Jack or The Station, but not the Grog)

Hey ed has the station bar reopened i moved outa the fort not long after Alistair shut it down

Lochaber Bear {The Ed039's Note - Dale has it now mate, done up quite nice)

So i take it, its now more the unofficial Rangers Supporters club lol, i hope to take a run up over the next couple of weeks to visit my daughter (lives in the planny) i might just drop in and see the big south African t1t i haven't seen him since he had the crofters, will have to drop by pinkets and rip the p1sh out of him for a while,

i miss the fort but i don't miss that journey every other week to the games but i do miss our stop for refreshments in Dempsey s lol i am about 20 mins from Alexandria so i might start meeting the bus at Dempsey s lol

Lochaber Bear {The Ed039's Note - Let me know if you are coming up)

08 Jan 2013 17:08:28
Ed039 is it "oldco" station bar or "newco" station bar?
lol Timalloy {The Ed039's Note - Defo not the same fans mate ......... totally different punters)

I will def be coming up i will let you know exactly when nearer the time

Lochaber Bear {The Ed039's Note - Good man)

08 Jan 2013 08:01:21
Im suprised nobody has commented on the articles about us having to play in the bottom league again if the league reconstruction goes ahead. Views?

Read the whole page, did it yesterday

It really doesn't surprise me with the Lawell lead SPL. It gives Celtic yet another year of grace in the SPL with the Champions League money. Fair enough we opted to take our medicine and start from scratch but I fear facing yet another year in the lowest league will dampen the spirits of the fans and attendances will start to dwindle. I hope not but I feel thats what will happen.

I posted the issue several weeks ago immediately on SPL muting 12-12-18 and 8-8-8....... Ed didn't put it up.
I posted the issue two or three days ago on another site then the next day it's in the newspaper.
SPL isn't going to change until August 2014, so next season with rangers in div2 but instead of going to div1 it'll be into spl2.

I guess since we are used to being shafted there's not much to say.

Non story, it will take the same amount of time if promotion is gained every season

The most surprising thing is CG hasne made a comment - perhaps de doesnt care and will offload shares at a nice profit to walk away

OP - why are you surprised?

We all accepted it would take three promotions to get from Div 3 back to the top division, whatever that is going to be by the time we get there

Nothing has changed, has it?

JG

Makes no difference with regard to time it will take to get to top leauge. Will have an effect on attracting players once the embargoes lifted. As a celtic fan I can't say I agree with the new proposed set up didn't work in Switzerland so this has to be taken on board by all concerned.

Don't know the legal implications of such a move only that at the beginning of the season whoever won their respective league's (except SPL) were guaranteed promotion. I'm not saying any clubs would take the SPL, sfa, sfl to court, but if the changes were to happen I'm pretty sure supporters could. The next few weeks could be pretty interesting.

Blueice

Non story.It does not alter the time to return to the top league.

It does alter time in which rangers can play spl teams, and could play lowest spl teams one year early, if top of spl2 at split time.

Also would allow easier promotion from spl2 (div1) into spl. As may be more than current 1 team.

07 Jan 2013 22:20:05
Charles green if you see this post get the Dundee utd game beamed back to ibrox on the screens and fill ibrox and charge £10 pp and ibrox will be full and rocking c'mon lets show our support.

The game will be on SKY so thats a non-starter

Aye, until Utd score their first (of many) goals ! How is a full Ibrox going to help your team at Dundee ? Maybe Charlie can arrange for the crowd noise to be beamed back !

Yep. Charles Green, Master of The Universe. He has the rights to broadcast games? He can do what he wants. He could even get the game broadcast out to The US of A to his buddies at that American Football Team. I am sure that would fill their stadium too. And while he is at it get it Broadcast over to Herzogenaurach, Germany, so all those Adidas board members could see the club they are so interested in. Dream on, Dream over!

Good idea, how much are the broadcast rights to do this, probably £15 pp ?

Also team would not hear support.

If that was allowed, dundee utd would be entitled to half . so does that not defeat the point of the boycott . strange peeplul

@5 - Don't agree with the original post but I'm curious to learn why you think Rangers would have to pay 'half' to Dundee Utd? {The Ed039's Note - When will people get it, the game is to be broadbcast on TV so there is NO CHANCE that it will be "beamed back" on the big screens)

@5 what a load of p!sh. Sky showing game end of argument.
Thompson of Utd better hurry up and pay Rangers share of the gate money as soon as, it's going to charity.
Anyway all you tims are buying up the tickets to show support to the Dundee Hibernian. Dundee police have cancelled all leave cos of your last visit to Dundee.

@3 - yes he will get the game out to the US of A and Germany and every other country outside the uk,
its called Rangers TV and every game is available for $9 per game

JG

Does Rangers TV make money, is anyone paying $9 to see Rangers vs Elgin...

seems most watch on internet for free.....?