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08 May 2012 23:08:22
If u were an investor would you buy ibrox, Murray park and then finance players knowing u had no European income for 3 yrs and prob no champions league for at least 5? That's best case of a newco never mind the old co with up to £130 m in debts
08 May 2012 22:52:32
Neil Lennon has admitted in an interview that Celtic depend on Rangers for a % of their income. Mark my words without any quality opponents Celtic will rapidly drop to the level of the other teams around them. They are the only club with any money and in a way, they will end up no better off than we are as a big club competing on its own against minnows is not sustainable.
And all the other clubs are totally diminished without Rangers fans money. Celtic Park will be like shooting fish in a barrel for a short while. Then it will simply become like a barrel. One smelling of dead fish.
biffman
Really?You post this at this time?...........green jhedi
I agree green jhedi, I unlike the hatred few am hoping for Rangers survival, not hoping for Celtic's downfall.
You dont get it Celtic will always be and will do just fine for we have the right people in place. you dont like to think it but now maybe you will see just what team is/was the bigger club. NL and Celtic have said we dont need yous time in again, you say that celtic depend on a percentage of rangers money....well ya just like you depend on us and just like how every club depends on one another to split gate profits. just watch us through the years and see just how big we will become,epl is in sight. but would hate to see spl fold.
Hibs v pars , 15,000. Cup final tickets like gold dust. No rangers there.
08 May 2012 22:49:19
3 new bidders.mama bear,daddy bear,and little baby bear.
08 May 2012 22:22:59
dont think rangers have paid their internet. rangers media sites are down as well.
08 May 2012 22:02:22
Dont expect much sympathy here as this forum is full of cfc fans but i would ask you lot as fitba fans how the hell would you feel as you see the club you love die.I make no excuses for our debt our tax dodging or our failure to pay other clubs money due.All i ask is that people understand that i and many others are losing our club that we love and have supported for generations.If you take the time and look into our history you will see we have helped many charities and causes throughout the years that are non sectarian.a saddest day of my adult life my wee boy is 3 and never seen the bears gutted.
Any older Celtic fan knows exactly how that feels.Shame for your kid though,i still dont think you will vanish............green jhedi
Well if you take him to the last rangers game this weekend he'll see lots of bears who are gutted.
I dont want to see your club die because it would mean the end of the best derby match in the world and i am gutted i will never see one live, most just want you punished rightly and unfortunatly that may mean liq, and im in me 20s
08 May 2012 21:59:00
Does anyone have Jim McColls phone number? Undoubtably the only rangers fan with enough known wealth to actually do something to stop our club dissappering.
I've tried to remain upbeat since 14th feb but I am now starting to feel like I may have watched my last rangers game and my 39th season ticket may be the last I'll ever have.
Why are season ticket renewals not out? Why is Craig Whyte still hanging around Scotland? Why are duff and phelps so publicly incompetent? Why is ebt case taking soo long? Why have police not started a case? Someone somewhere has got to say ENOUGH!
BFH
08 May 2012 21:52:59
Have just heard over the last 2hrs about Miller pulling out, not good news at all...To say it was because off the Fans is a bit much, but on the other hand you don't bite the hand that feeds you either ffs! As for the other 3 bidders it's to little to late, am afraid to say it but our Club is dead in the Water...I will always be Blue!
08 May 2012 21:51:26
Errr......season ticket money?
Hmmm, Ticketus springs to mind.
08 May 2012 21:45:52
3 interested parties and TBK not one of them. Anyone think the UK party is Brian Kennedy deciding to go it alone? Any speculation on the overseas bidders, anyone think Ng back in the hunt.
08 May 2012 21:36:59
Cast your mind back a few weekends when the blue knights and Kennedy bid got knocked back leaving miller in the driving seat. This was on the Friday and he said I,m going to give people eg tbk a chance till the Monday / Tuesday to come in with a final bid. He never wanted rangers in the first place he didn't want to talk to whyte about shares or even ticketus. The guy was never serious so don't lose any sleep over it and to blame a few banners give me a break.
08 May 2012 21:09:10
Advert on E Bay....
For Sale,
1 Incubator, never used, still in box...
LOL Timalloy
Ha ha good one Timalloy .henke7 were having a party when rangers die
Lost 1 brain if found please return to Timalloy asap LOL
GERman
At least bill has left Rangers a new motto
'more optimistic than reality'
Advert on Gumtree:
For Free to a good home,
Rangers home and away strips,never been worn.No time waster's plz. pmttid
08 May 2012 20:37:26
Fellow bears, I might just be losing the will to live here. How many times do honest hard working fans have to be told the same stack of lies. how many times do we need to hear "due diligence", cva, preferred bidder and other business jargon. how many times do we need to listen to this from the same type of suited wide boy who has Rangers at heart. CW, TBKS, DM, you name them, it's the same old empty, condescending trash, spat out to make fools of everyone on here who genuinely loves football and genuinely loves watching their team, with their mates, with their family.
They do not care for this, they care about their image and if I am honest they laugh at the blind loyalty of the decent fan.
Since I have been going to Ibrox, I've seen people helping others less fortunate than they are, looking after others before during and after the game. That is what following a club is about, humour, commitment and family. NOT stealing from local businesses and sticking the finger up. That is what SDM, CW and others have done, and that my friends is what most of the people I have seen hanging about Ibrox recently will do. Just more of the same lies and more of the platitudes about how good the fans are, as they bump up the price of tickets, shirts and anything else they can do.
In my view, looking at what has happened, I hope we liquidate and get as much as possible to pay off as much of SDM and CW debt as we can. Then I truly wish that the fans can start something afresh, like AFC Wimbledon, owned by the fans and for the benefit of the fans and the community. No matter how long it takes, THAT Rangers would be worth supporting, not the suited, blown dry wide boy version.
GGA
What a great post from a proper supporter.Guys like you really dont deserve this............green jhedi
Great post, mate.
1903
Top post GGA
I just hope it happens fast and as painlessly as possible. Just cant take another season of being the laughing stock of Scotland. Time for a clean break and a new history
I am fully in agreement with your comments
I know a few of the big knobs who frequent
The corporate boxes at IBROX one who was backing TBK who was happy to ask me how did you get into the members lounge
My reply to Mr Park was to ask him if he was still a director at Hearts FC
I remember the days when he has his hearts track suit top on.
Now you point about paying our bills is a must as I know how I feel when one of
My clients bumps my company for cash.
The deal is most of my poor clients that have gone bust were all legally trying there best to stay afloat. To think my staff are at risk of loosing there jobs because some one
Runs up a big debit makes me angry.
To run the debit up by blinking HMRC
Only ever has one result.
Let's hope for Mr CW is jail time.
I think of one of the best days of my life as
A kid when David Cooper visited my Primary school in Hamilton. Rangers are in your blood. All over Europe Scotland week in week out this is not for the cash it's for the love of the team and our proud history
Sad days lets hope for a saviour with a spare billion to spend.
Yours in the cause
JLG
A good honest post from a Rangers fan
well said. paddybhoy
You should have told Park to f off! What a cheek. Unbelievable
Aye park knows how to charge 90.00 odd an hour , my car was in for water in the boot the other week under warranty car cost me 28,500 , what do they give as a courtesy car ? a fn fiat panda ,well they got an e mail off me and i didnt mince my words doug
08 May 2012 20:36:00
You Rangers fans always know how to welcome your clubs saviour... "yank go home"
I can see it, come August either:
1) No relegation for Dunfermline because Rangers have flopped
2) Rangers consigned to the history.
Where will the supporters all go?
Well one thing for sure we wont be going to parkheid doug
Well it will not be parkhead or any other team that's for sure kenny bluenose
Thank feck for that.
08 May 2012 20:34:00
And so the pantomime continues...oh yes it does! Impossible to know how this will now end. It's now gone way beyond a joke. Everyone involved in this farce should not only hang their head in shame they should be investigated by the Polis. Whilst the focus in naturally on RFC, the whole of Scottish football is being dragged through the mire. We are the laughing stock of the European and World game right now. And to think we gave the world this beautiful game. Very sad.
08 May 2012 20:12:23
Total BS to suggest Millers backed out due to fan "power"! Absolute cop out. The books must make pretty grim reading. The uncertainty with BTC, cVA, SPL and Scottish footballs hatred of our club all leaving us in an unrecoverable position. Murray and Whyte r the scum of the earth ...... It disgusts me I may never b able to take my boys to c Gers at Ibrox again and it disgusts me the joy the bitter manks take out of this ...... Total nightmare. WATP. LB
Have a look at your fans doings, with constent threats to anyone that goes against you or just wants you punished rightly yous come out time and time again. and you think this has no baring on your club? cant yous see that you think your more important then anything else and bigger has affected your chance for a good outcome. the spl has always been on yourside letting yous get away with things and now because they just cant sweep it under the carpet you think everyone is against you, has ally been charged for his demanding of the 3 pannelist?. WAKE UP and realize(i know you love your club but look at the facts) your club has done wrong and cheated all of spl, and this is not even the whole story for there are alot still to come out.
the only joy that will come out of it is if yous are rightly punished just like any club, there would be more hate to the spl if they did not do the right thing. do you think people like not having a derby match that is the best in the world? it disgusts me that i may never be able to see a old firm match in person, which is what i realy wanted to do in my life. but because of your clubs doings and how it was runned that looks very slim...so stop thinking everyone is against/hates you and realize your club and its legends let you fans down, no one else, and yet yous make murray feel relax and any biddiers you make it hard on them when infact as soon as cw gets his money the club would be sold, yous are year to late start judging buyers.
Your club and its fans have been disgusting the rest of Scotland, not to mention Manchester, Barcelona, Newcastle, Wolverhampton etc, for a very long time. So its goodbye from me ......
08 May 2012 19:58:45
ash well i,m usually upbeat about anything rangers but now i think we,re f*cked.these two idiots in charge { duff and duffer } are dragging their heels to earn more money for their selves.we need this sorted out immediately or its over i,m afraid. airdrie bear.
08 May 2012 19:54:04
Hey bears, heres a thing. Hmrc want their money, fact. Hmrc dont do deals. Hmrc best bet of getting their money is liquidation and sale of gers assets. The longer they take to announce the result of tax cases, the higher the chance of liquidation and the more likely they get their money. Dont expect the tax results anytime soon, hmrc will play this to the end, liquidation looms.
Well i seem to remember that saying that everyone has been passing about for a few weeks "Be careful what you wish for "..So it seems some rangers fans, made a wish, that DID come true.So ditto.pmttid
Main imposter - It's not the HMRC that are making the decisions on the Tax Tribunal it's 3 seperate judges that have been posted missing.
But you knock yourself out with your dream.
HMRC actually do, do deals. Vodafone?? As it stands they are not our main creditor Ticketus are. If we liquidate Craig Whyte has an £18 million floating charge so HMRC will get very little. How much are our assets worth? Very little, Ibrox is as good as worthless unless someone wants a stadium, MP is the true value and even that isn't enough to cover all debts. All though I do agree liquidation is coming.
GovanFR
Getting boring now but just for you ya t**t, whyte is the main creditor and gets the assets. Hmrc are last and will get probably nought. Lastly, hmrc will be told by the law lord's at the same time as rangers.
As the largest creditor they could apply to the courts for liquidation any time they feel like it. The sooner they are nudged into action the quicker the end will be.
Your theory is tosh Whyte has a floating charge over the assets, Neither hmrc or any of the other creditors will see a penny.
The longer hmrc tries to act like petulant kids by not sitting down for cva talks the more likely it will be Whyte will walk away with millions and they will get nothing.
He will pocket 100% of the money then do a runner this was his plan all along.
3; The break up value of ibrox might surprise you.It wont be demolished it will be broken down and auctioned off............green jhedi
@3: HMRC will not be doing any more deals like that since the guy that was doing them was sacked after it transpired he was being taken for a regular slap-up lunch by people from Vodafone (bit like Murray and the media). The government have made it clear that no more deals will take place.
Ibrox could be sold off for something other than the stadium - only the facade needs remain. Could be the grandest Tesco in the land.
@3, perhaps they wont, I was just pointing out that they have done in the past so the original poster was wrong to say otherwise. @Jhedi, they really is very little value in Ibrox, remember it's only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.
GovanFR
10;Not really.Lots of steel,seating and aluminium in there to punt.I remember possil school when it was stripped,they made a fortune.They are like vultures,everything that can be removed is punted.Doors and timber,windows etc the list would surprise you..........green jhedi
Yeah GJ is right. When they knocked down the old Northern and Ponsford Stands at the MCG, a very clever Trevor took the carpet from the old members room, which had the old insignia on it, cut it up and framed it. Sold framed pieces of old carpet for $500 a piece. You can make money out of ANYTHING!
GoldCoastBhoy
08 May 2012 19:43:07
Just listened to jim white on Sky regarding Bill Miller pulling out of bid for rangers.
Apparently he received hundreds of threatening emails and was disgusted with some of the content.
Listen I'm a celtic fan and chat and debate with you lot on hear all the time, good banter and true rangers fans but these people are literally sabotaging your club. Name and shame them and rid rangers of they're stupidity. They are not real rangers fans so u shouldn't feel bad for doing it either. They have probably played a huge part in this latest set back for your club and that's an understatement. I am genuinely angry for youz boys. {Ed022's Note - Good post.}
Yes nasty fans whatever team they support ,maybe theyl have nothing to do with their time when this comes to an end doug
Totally agree with this post, who thought of the banners, would you like to own up and explain yourselves? What good do you think you've done Rangers now. A deeply concerned bear!!
Its really pathetic. Morons on both sides really do spoil the old firm and therefore the brand. Shame. CheltBlue
I'd have thought Jim White was used to receiving disgusting emails...
Poor excuse and total bull from Miller. Some businessman. Didnt pay £500k... Why? Another bulls**tter
Lets cool down with the usual gers bad boys shout.
Here's a exert from bbc -
'Given what was already public knowledge about Rangers' books, and the business risks hanging over them, it stretches the imagination a bit to think they're even worse than we'd thought.
Or perhaps, viewed from Chattanooga, the enormity of the debts and the even more daunting complexity of sorting out the business while retaining Rangers' sporting position had been, somehow, lost in translation somewhere mid-Atlantic
That's until Team Miller got beyond the limited information made available by Duff and Phelps, the Ibrox administrators, and the preliminary discussions with both the Scottish footballing authorities and team manager Ally McCoist.
A bit more light was shed on this by Duff and Phelps, saying of Bill Miller "there were a number of issues with which he felt uncomfortable including legacy contracts, the limitation of potential revenue streams and the expectation of required investment".
I think the penny dropped with him and he realised he'd biten off to much and exited stage right.
Still have to ask why was a successful US businessman wanting to buy a soccer team on the other side of the pond? A team and city and country he never visited and had no apparent link with.
He only ever mentioned his £11.2m bid and that money was for the takeover, maybe he didn't realise that the team would need investment, certainly after the transfer embargo.
I am not deflecting from any of the so-called fans actions - which does astonish me because of the players we've had from the US. I would like to try and find out who they are and ask them why?
Are they really fans?
Why did Bill Miller bother? It's not like RFC's finances have been hidden away of late or possible penalties locked away.
What was the appeal of RFC in Tennessee?
08 May 2012 19:20:21
Blue knights back in for rangers me thinks only ones left now Kennedy said last resort buyer if no one wanted it
Has he got the funds? you gotta be looking at 20m just to kick off..........green jhedi
I'd think they do have the funds, I have a feeling the Blue Knights are backed financially by Dave King, Brian Kennedy also has a few bob.
GovanFR
08 May 2012 18:56:57
This is my first post on here and id just like to say well done to all the ppl who drove mr miller out of making a bid for our club cant believe the stupidity of some of our narrow minded fans! Heres a guy willing to put 11million into scottish football! Then also dnt forget into SAVING our club....and some ppl were singing yank go home....u ppl want to take a long good look in the mirror.
Did Miller pay the £500,000 non returnable exclusivity fee? I think we all know the answer. This guy was never serious otherwise he would have jumped on a plane (with a new passport). How much are D&P fees at this speed after they are paid there will be nothing for any creditor.
08 May 2012 19:12:11
More smoke screen bill miller withdraws. Then boom three new bidders arrive not including tbk. Where was they before what happend to final deadline no more bids. Duff and duffer are making a fortune at our expense. Nothing suprises me now. Sad state
Methinks the administrators are at it
james rfc 1980
08 May 2012 18:47:05
Thanks to the fans with the banners, and all the others who sang the anti american songs. The same fans who sing the banned songs, in the same area of the ground, you know who you are, get your heads out of your arxxx Rangers will now be Liquidated, no doubt in my mind, we will be starting next year minus 10 points.
You know the old saying beggars can't be chooser!
If you even get a chance to start.Real shame for the decent supporters.........green jhedi
08 May 2012 18:45:10
If anyone really believes 3 new bidders have suddenly appeared less than an hour after Bill Millers withdrawal then you are living in cloud cuckoo land!
This is a smokescreen from Duff & Duffer. Rangers are obviously in a worse mess than anyone thought, Bill Miller is a businessman with no link to Rangers or Scotland, a couple of idiots holding a banner would not put him off, the state of the books obviously did!
You have to think anyone else examining the books will come to the same conclusion!
RIP Rangers!
It did not help, though. Americans are a proud people and he was after all considering bailing out your club at considerable cost, it was therefore not a very welcoming and grateful guesture by some of your supporters.
08 May 2012 18:39:44
Miller walks away, hardly surprising he had no intention of buying Rangers, if he did then he would've come over here. It really is the time for the Blue Knights, and Brian Kennedy, for me they have always been the only hope of preserving Rangers in their current form. I really hope they can get Whyte's shares and then we can begin to move forward with Rangers supporters at the helm.
GovanFR
08 May 2012 18:34:20
so 3 new bids suddenly on the table ? - think administrators are struggling to get the job done and coining it at same time. How much have they cost upto now
Jardine and his provocative attitude has certainly not helped. He might deny it but whipping up emotions must certainly have contributed to the point Miller made about supporters attitudes being a factor in his decision
McCoist and Jardine should have a good look at themselves.The confrontational stance they encouraged only pandered to the idiots in your support...........green jhedi
@1 Why the f**k is it Mccoist and Jardines fault? You really cant wait to get the digs in saying "I told you so". I would prefer someone asked what me the paying fan is actually thinking and deserves to know and defending our club in this time of need.
@2: why not aim that at the OP too (about Jardine)? Is it because Jhedi's a Celtic fan that you only had a go at him?
@2; Did mccoist or jardine consult the fans? Wht did they not use fund money to have an expert back step every move the admin team made?Surely that would have been more productive?.........green jhedi
Green Jhedi, I don't know if you're aware of this but at the Rangers v Dundee Utd game Sandy Jardine spoke to the crowd before the game and asked for unity and to give whoever was made preferred bidder a chance. Besides Miller was never going to buy Rangers, the fans excuse was just one of the excuses.
GovanFR
@GovanFR; did not know that mate,so fair play to him,but you know the half wits we both carry in our support.They dont need much of an excuse to behave like fools.I agree with you,i posted days ago i thought he was a stooge for Whyte.This guy has been planning liquidation since day one.That or a ludicrous sum for his shares............green jhedi
08 May 2012 18:34:08
Stv are talking about a further three bidders, anyone know who they are!
1 are the mob from QUATAR
08 May 2012 18:25:24
So Neil Lennon got voted Manager of the year? For what may I ask?....
Walter Smith won a double last season and didn't receive any Manager of the year award! How does that work?
TTG
The SPL did it just to annoy you, obviously. (Well your paranoia will arrive at that conclusion eventually.)
Democracy. You know, when they count these things called votes, from all the other managers and the highest number gets the award.
Are you serious? Miller has just said bye bye Ranger's and all you can talk about is Neil Lennon Manager of the Year.Sorry to burst your bubble, but i think he is already spoken for.pmttid
Just like you to look past the obvious for 15points behind and making it up in record time, undefeted in 26 matches, having players play well and win awards, least cards,most goals,leat amount of goals,record for clean sheets,20 point lead, record number of points(possibly), manager of the month awards, and a treble run which dodgy calls cost it.and all this with what he had to deal with, sounds like one hell of a season to me.
if he didnt get the award it would have been a discrace.
i didnt want to say any of this because its just a stupid post but maybe this helps you realize that, you still have to have a go/dislike for anything Celtic even in your clubs position, dont you think it is time to change?
08 May 2012 18:16:58
Bill Miller withdraws from buying club - three interested bidders/liars/fakesters/shiesters come forward
08 May 2012 18:15:42
What the hell is happening to our team the administrators are making such an a... Of the whole process and the club. Where is that wee s.... Whyte the rat has gone to ground after destroying the moral of the fans manager and players. What is DM thinking about the ONLY SELL IF IT IS FOR THE CLUB AND FANS ....WHAT A LOT OF BA.....S. I fear for our club. The administrators now say there are 3 bidders the BK but who the hell are the other 2
Are the Blue Knights really still in it? I thought their offer was not high enough (i.e. liquidation would raise more money).
Paul and Barry Chuckle"..............DH
08 May 2012 18:10:55
Miller walks away, where does that leave us, apparently three bids on the table. Presume BK is one, any idea who the others are?
Miller seems to be blaming the fans who did not want him and more seriously the fact that the figures given by D and P are optimistic.
I think only hope now is Kennedy!
Kennedy is up to something. He's about the only constant in all of this, seems to speak to absolutely everyone even those who don't speak to each other.
How much is he worth? Can he afford to buy Ibrox and Murray Park? And why?
No bids on the table, only expressions of interest.
08 May 2012 18:02:02
With Miller having pulled out now, You'd expect duff & duffer just let the Blue Knights get on with it. But now they're saying another 2 bids are in. What the F&@k is going on?
They have to match the break up value of rangers assets,if not your liquidated
All sounds smelly to me. One bid is probably something Kennedy has kept as a last resort, another is probably TBK's rejected "too low" offer and perhaps the third involves Ticketus or one of CW's cronies. One thing is for sure, there is no gold rush going on here.
08 May 2012 18:02:00
3 more bidders enter frey...daily rag.....what a circus...deecee
Truth is duff wiz sittin eating his breakfast when the press rang him and he got the answer they wanted aff the rice krispies packet. Snap crackle and pop.
08 May 2012 18:00:29
Well wounded bears,yous have slagged my posts,said was all pi$$,lies etc,have i not told you all along liquidation only option!now the way its panning out,there will be no rangers or a newco playing football next season...stevo
Stevo if that is the case what will you do then, you are clearly obessed with us and would have nothing to talk about.
08 May 2012 17:57:56
Well the books must of been bad if BM has pulled out already. Youve probably got a backlog edd but Im just in from work (5.30pm). This is definately the home stretch one way or the other. On a lighter note my baby girl is due in 5 days.... life goes on. CheltBlue {Ed014's Note - Congratulation and best wishes from all us eds.
Nice one,hope it all goes well.congratulations........green jhedi
All the best mate great feeling,garlar07
Congratulation's to you and your wife.Hope all goes well,and keep us posted.pmttid x
Cheers gents :) CheltBlue
08 May 2012 17:54:54
Bill Miller withdraws bid for Rangers
Bill Miller has withdrawn his bid for Rangers, blaming fan opposition and fresh information that revealed the seriousness of Rangers' finances.
But administrator Duff & Phelps says three other bids are on the table - one from the UK and two from overseas.
American trucking tycoon Miller had been named preferred bidder last week.
But he has now said that "preliminary information" given by Duff & Phelps was "more optimistic than reality" and he is no longer pursuing his offer.
Continue reading the main story
“Mr Miller's bid was deliverable to creditors and was the only deliverable bid on the table at that time
”
David Whitehouse
Joint administrator
"As soon as I was announced as preferred bidder for Rangers, my team began to press ahead with our due diligence," said Miller in a statement.
"Until then, information had been limited to what was made available in the internet data room and questions addressed to the administrators and their staff.
"In addition, I had preliminary discussions with the Scottish footballing authorities and limited discussions with Ally McCoist.
"Upon being named preferred bidder, discussions with Rangers staff started and discussions with all interested parties intensified.
"We continued to work through the holiday weekend in order to meet a very compressed schedule.
"By late Monday night, it became clear to me that preliminary information, discussions and analysis were, unfortunately, more optimistic than reality."
The American had yet to visit Scotland following his bid for the club but turned in his statement to the reaction from some Rangers fans, who displayed anti-Miller banners at last week's game against Dundee United.
"Having no intention of negatively affecting the potential outcome of the club's future and after hearing the message from Rangers supporters and fans loud and clear ("Yank go home!"), I notified the administrators today that I have withdrawn my bid for Rangers and will not be moving forward," he said.
"I am deeply disappointed as I had considered the opportunity to bid for one of the most historic football clubs in the world, an honour and a privilege.
"I wish Rangers fans, supporters and employees my very best. I hope all your dreams and wishes come true. You certainly deserve it.
Brian Kennedy and Blue Knights figurehead Paul Murray
"I am most disappointed that I won't have the opportunity to walk into Ibrox Stadium on the day of an Old Firm match as my friends tell me the hair on my arm will stand up and I will never witness such passion and spirit at any sporting event.
"God Speed, Rangers!"
Bids from Sale Sharks owner Brian Kennedy, the Blue Knights led by former Rangers director Paul Murray, a Far East consortium led by Singapore-based businessman Bill Ng and a mystery German consortium had already been discounted by Duff & Phelps.
Joint administrator David Whitehouse said: "Since Mr Miller was announced as preferred bidder on Thursday of last week, it is regrettable that more progress could not be made to further the sale of the cub.
"We have been informed by his advisors that there were a number of issues with which he felt uncomfortable, including legacy contracts, the limitation of potential revenue streams and the expectation of required investment.
"As in any company takeover, the selection of a preferred bidder does not guarantee the completion of the sale.
"In this case, with time and money for Rangers running out quickly, it was essential to move the process forward with urgency.
"Mr Miller's bid was deliverable to creditors and was the only deliverable bid on the table at that time. We had no other unconditional bid.
"Given the fact that Mr Miller did not enter into an exclusivity agreement, we informed all other known potential bidders at the time the door was not closed.
"As a consequence of Mr Miller's bid being accepted, three other bidders have come forward to express their interest in buying the club and these offers are being evaluated with the utmost urgency.
"There is every opportunity for these bidders to now complete the purchase of the club prior to the end of the season."
"...by the end of the season". D&P make it sound so easy. Which begs the question - why has it taken this long then?
(And do they know just how close the end of the season is?)
Suggest D&P invest in a dictionary and read the meaning of "unconditional". How can a deal collapse in 5 days if it is "unconditional". This is tuning into a music hall farce.
08 May 2012 17:51:20
What now for Rangers ? It is just one bit of bad news after another. With Miller now gone the story is that there are another 3 bids on the table. I have never seen such a mess, it is very sad !
08 May 2012 17:50:36
3 other interested bidders?
wonder who these people are now, any ideas?
The administrators should have accepted TBK first and foremost chosing this yank who has no affiliations with football AT all was always going to lead to problems
Administrators can only accept a minimum figure which it seems the blue knights could not reach...........green jhedi
08 May 2012 17:46:58
Once again the total arrogance and or ignorance of the Rangers fans have completely destroyed the last hope we had. Hope all you fellow bears are happy with your banners and comments. Wagging TBK tails...fools
08 May 2012 17:46:00
The inmates have finally taken over the asylum!
The only guy willing to take on the monster that is Rangers has backed out partly because of 'HUNDREDS' of abusive emails and messages.
Last post (in more ways than one!) from me guys.
I'm done
bill72
Bill, where did you find out about abusive emails?
1903
Aw don't be like that bill72. If that's why he pulled out then yes it's a sad day for Rangers. But I suspect it's more to do with the money (or lack of it).
1.)
S*y news - Jim White
bill72
08 May 2012 17:21:36
Thanks to all the yank protesters f*****g idiots.
08 May 2012 17:20:54
I see miller said no thanks ya bunch of cranks.henke7
08 May 2012 17:40:31
were going nowhere, everyone knows it,
celtic fans know it..
the dogs in the street know it...
it`s keeping the papers hacks in a job ..
traynor, keevins, the rest etc, etc.
theese hacks couldent write f--k on a..
..dusty venetian blind...they are all gossip hacks, were are all the real football
...journalists????
Plenty people pointed this mess out but were all "timmy" conspirators.Dont expect proper journalism from tabloids...........green jhedi
08 May 2012 17:37:55
Bill Miller pulls out, nobody wants us, close us down and we can all get on with our lifes.
08 May 2012 17:37:26
So now miller has had his 15 mins of fame, what now for duff and phelps? what an incompetant pair of idiots, they never even got the 500k bounty that they tried to charge tbk. they should be on there hands and knees begging paul murray and brian kennedy to save there necks, but who would blame them for turning there backs now that they have been proved right all along. as i posted here several times, duff and duffer are putting rangers to the sword... fact.....!
Eh, no. They can only work with bidders or interested parties. Their job is to look out for creditors and if no-one wants the club, what can they do?
What about Whyte, Murray et al?
08 May 2012 17:30:17
SPL Sky Tv will survive, I have a friend works for SKY Sports said Sky Bet the bookmaking side of the business has a turnover of £1Billion a year on football in play betting and sponsership, these punters bet on any game anytime of the day, no way will sky leave, its a growing market and they are looking to add American, Australia and Asian leagues so there will be 24hr coverage for football betting, he said think of the sponsorship Sky get from bookmakers will hill, Ladbrokes, bet365, paddy power all put on massive adverts before during and after games.
I was holding out that Sky deal may be our saviour but above makes sense!
Sounesses Thighs.
08 May 2012 17:29:57
Miller withdraws surprise surprise! WTF next this is really turning into a joke FFS.BLUNTRU72 pi$$ed off bear LLRFC
08 May 2012 17:15:15
Bill miller withdraws bid?! what happens now ed? {Ed025's Note - your guess is as good as mine mate..
Yous go down the pan like a big jobbie.henke7 ha ha
Could be game over...
08 May 2012 17:14:01
Sky News reporting Miller has just
pulled out of bid to by Rangers.
What the f! where now Bears? LB
08 May 2012 17:00:00
That's Miller walked away now!! Is it now back to the blue knights or is it finished?
DD
08 May 2012 16:58:53
"he's going home he's going home he's going millers going home". lmao. justice
08 May 2012 17:11:28
Just been confirmed miller withdraws offer to buy club...this really is the end of the road...nothing can be sorted out for new season..this is a farce now
08 May 2012 17:11:04
I am horrified that Bill Miller has withdran form buying our club. I hope you dumb idiot Rangers fans are happy with yourselves. The Blue KNIghts are a joke and to think of them getting in is ridiculous with their no money schedule. I think its by bye Rangers and hello to a team in the first division for me.
Gazza
08 May 2012 17:05:07
"By late Monday night, it became clear to me that
preliminary information, discussions and analysis were,
unfortunately, more optimistic than reality.
"Having no intention of negatively affecting the potential
outcome of the club's future and after hearing the message from
Rangers supporters and fans loud and clear ("Yank go home!"), I notified the administrators today that I have withdrawn my bid
for Rangers and will not be moving forward.
08 May 2012 14:34:36
Rangers asked for deferral to 30th May because Dunfermline wanted NewCo Rangers in Div 3.
Dunfermline are now relegated and have lost their vote.
The difference a day makes.
Was Doncaster party to this ploy? Is Doncaster a neutral or pro Rangers?
He is pro rangers
SPL know they get do without rangers end off, I hope we start in division 3 and a few of them go out of business.
Ed has miller withdrawn his bid , it's all over Facebook ?
PaulRFC {Ed025's Note - yes mate
All 12 teams get a vote not just Dunfermline so it wont make much if any difference to the outcome still 8-4 needed to pass. Dunfermline aside no one has said they will vote against.
Guess dunfermiline wont be going aftaer all. didnt even make it to the end of the season
Miller was not happy with what he seen in the books. done a bolter.
Rangers thought they had conned the American geezer into parting with his cash.
Miller has now withdrawn his bid after smelling the coffee.
Yes....too true....the difference a day makes! lol lol
HAIL HAIL
ChrisBhoy
08 May 2012 13:25:52
d&p delighting with the fund raising at linfield match should allow their fees for the next 3 weeks to be paid due to them moving the deadline again
08 May 2012 12:56:31
When was the last time that there was a team that moved up or down from its present position in the esspeehell. I heard a rumour that in other countries they see it all the time, they call it .......competition. Is there any truth in the rumour that this might be happening in Scotland any year soon. Please discuss.
...eh?
BB
Pfff got ourselfs a comedian here troops. Check everyone NOT laughing at your joke. What a loser.
Dtp89
Its been a long time since we came third to Hearts. I see wat you mean. If you counted Third as the winner (no old firm) then its been quite open with many differant sides "winning". CheltBlue
08 May 2012 12:53:04
really got to laugh at all the cr@p that gets written on here about sporting integrity. we all know that from the first time we kicked a ball in organised football that the only thing that mattered was winning. it was the same 50 years ago when i was a kid as it is now. tell me one pro who has never claimed for a decision that they knew was against them. so give it a rest on morality and integrity on football you got more chance of finding fairies at the bottom of your garden
Gary Lineker. Never booked or sent off.
Actually @no.1, Lineker was booked, once, near the end of his career. Remarkable record still but the exception that makes the rule rather than a re-buff to first posters comment. LB
In October 2002, Lineker backed a £5 million bid to rescue his former club Leicester City which recently had gone into administration, describing his involvement as charity rather than an ego trip.[30] He said that he would invest a six-figure sum and other members of his consortium would invest a similar amount.[31] Lineker met the fans' group to persuade them to try and raise money to rescue his former club.
Class act. Where's the loaded badge kising Bears players? Hiding in the woods?
Eric caldow was never booked for gers in his career a true gentleman doug
Yeah good old gary rubbed his hands with glee after the amount of money he made on the deal,all debt was wiped off from leicester,he even bragged about it,how great it was to come out with a profit and pay nobody nothing,,class act my a,,,,se....trueblue.....
08 May 2012 12:37:12
Here's an idea:
A club goes into administration. They fight tooth and nail to find a way out of it. For the next two seasons, we'll dock them 75% of their earnings meaning they're even less likely to escape administration. On top of that, we'll dock them points so they can't challenge for the title, and we'll stop them from signing players so they can only play kids. Now if you can all vote yes on this proposition.....
SPL Chiefs
They want Rangers to participate but not to win. Under the circumstances, that's fair enough I think. Just need to agree on what those penalties should be.
Nobody is docking your earnings,just the tv money and league and cup cash.Another uninformed ger.
The only think I think is wrong it the money parts. If they want to control our money so that a certain percentage goes to paying debts and we are allowed to use what we need to run the club then that is fine. But there are 2 many people on here thinking we are being hard done by. Honestly if it was celtic would you be sitting there saying 'oh thats terrible how they are being treated they shouldnt get any sanctions against them' no.
Don
Yes Don, under the circumstances Id say this was terrible even if it were Celtic! Nothing thats happened here is fair; to creditors, other clubs, supporters, Scottish football or Rangers as a club. It stinks rank rotten, we have been "duped" Mr Murray?!?! ...... Whyte too clever for ya?!?! disgraceful! ...... criminal charges should come out of this against both men. They are both culpable and the position we find ourselves in now is quite simply spiteful and convenient against Rangers for reasons of entrenched bitterness and jealousy. Fairness and "sporting integrity" being used as a baton to beat us with rather than any truthful reference of the overall rights and wrongs of the situation. LB
@2 are you a moron? tv money league and cup cash are a part of a clubs earnings
JG
& league & cup cash isn't earnings??
& IF my auntie had a pair she'd be my uncle!!
FFS get grip
bill72
Comment No2
Analysed that too much there, the guy was just makin a joke against the spl.
Dtp89
6/that is prize money,thats what will be deducted.Earnings are different.
08 May 2012 11:48:09
football authorities determine the rulesas thet see fit ans sometimes seemingly unfair but bottom line is you have to take their punishments all the whinging is a waste of energy.
In recent years for example Hearts have been fined £150,000 for topping the disciplinarytable this was on top of the regular player bans does this seem fair No! but Hearts had to take their pubnishment without the need to make threats against those deciding the sanctions.
What is good for the goose!
Poster no 2 ,if tv money and cup games isnt income what is it then ?you need that income to function properly doug
Think you'll find those rules were in place at the time - not added on just to punish the
Jambos
see the difference?
bill72
08 May 2012 11:14:20
I think its great what healys dad is doing for yous! Round with the buckets what a show of support. Yous should ask people to go out with buckets in glasgow.They could stand next to the people selling the big issue
08 May 2012 10:09:22
Ok,financial benefits v sporting integrity. This is the rest of the SPL chances to put integrity before money.Instead of all the other lot moaning about what 'we' have done. If we do become a newco then your clubs have a chance to stop us getting into the SPL.To be honest I will take any punishment that is handed to us but Rangers will live on whatever.Kick us out then we will be back in 3 years,and lets see who is still around when we get there. Your club whoever you are will not vote against the money cause in football there is not a lot of integrity left.Remember we didnt do this to you , we have been lied to more than others ever have been.We have suffered more than anyone by our board.
Every SPL club that gets relegated out the SPL such as Dunfermline yesterday, lives quite easily without both Rangers and Celtic money. So the no Rangers bankrupts clubs is total nonsense.
So, what happened when rangers owed dunfermline ticket sales cash earlier on this year. Sum was only 80k, but meant dunfermline didn't pay wages on time. No travelling rangers support would make things alot worse
quabba
1.)
Agreed - but be honest FFS, do you really want everyone to reduce their budget & outlook to be like Dunfermline?
Annan manage to operate without Rangers, is that where you want this league to go?
bill72
08 May 2012 09:22:40
After all the hot air about ''SPL does not need rangers'' the truth has finally hit home to many chairmen of other clubs. Lose rangers from the SPL and they are looking at the beginning of the end of the SPL as it is now.
13M sky money per year for scottish football, advertising for TV, and sponsorship for league and cups is all up for grabs and depends on how they vote. The choice is theirs but we will not be in div 3 next season bears or 2 or 1
on BTC it is ridiculous that it has taken over 4 months to announce the outcome of the tribunal
JG
Quite agree mate, it's taken far too long to come to that decision
quabba
08 May 2012 08:19:45
Why would Duff & Whyte,sorry Duff & Phelps, be holding paperwork regarding the alleged dual contracts back from the SFA? I wonder why that might happen?Might it be they want to plant it at the door of any prospective buyer to,oh i dont know,drive them away?Still looks like like someone might be pulling strings from afar? Craig Whyte is playing you like a violin and it sure is a lovely tune
I don't like conspiracy theories but there's a compelling one that links CW and BM via a mutual business contact. BM is CW Mk2, of that I am sure. He will have found a clever way to get money out of Rangers just like CW did. D&P are no doubt part of this conspiracy too although they have to act professionally, which I believe thay have done. I am surprised that HMRC are doing nothing.
08 May 2012 03:06:36
Am I the only fan fed up with the diddy men who run a diddy league. To hell with the lot of them.
Am I missing something, I don't recall rangers fielding more than 11 players or bribing a ref ( or even putting pressure on a ref by making undue comments).
Where is the 'cheating in sport'.
All I see is financial mis management which should only be punished by financial law. Div 3 for me if any.
See above for simple and deluded-I will say this very slowly as I see you have difficulty understanding-you got players and paid them money you did not have,thus fielding a better team than you could afford,not only that, since then you have bumped the clubs that you effectivley stole players from
Dannybhoy
Cheating is much more than more than 11 players on a pitch, its in the rule book of spl,sfa no dual contracts and all payments payed to players must be shown to the league and fa along with the clubs accounts.
@1 How can you pay someone money you haven't got? Where they happy to take imaginary money?.
All the payments were in the published accounts each year. Id of thought all the tax experts and haters would of noticed years ago before all of this nonsence started. It was a legal loophole at the time and Im sure many used it. Cheating? Just bending the rules... CheltBlue
There's a degree of caveat emptor here. When you deal with any business there's always a risk that their creditworthiness is poor.
Surely the way forward is to stop this nonsense of owing money following transfers and even match gate receipts. These debts should be settled before the money hits the ground then nobosy in football can complain.
Doean't help the Ibrox newsagent, though.
Celtiic 7 million in debt , now aare they not paying players with money they dont have ?
@6: I'm in debt but can still pay my bills - I just pay off my credit cards and mortgage a little at a time. My debt is under control and is serviceable, just like Celtic's. If my debt became too great to service, I'd be in trouble, just like Rangers are.
1903
3&6. Don't you understand the concept of bad debt ? Rangers owe money they cannot pay back. They borrowed money from a bank. It was paid back to the bank by money borrowed by ticketus. The club cannot afford to pay this back. Rangers used the money they borrowed on players. The players were used to win competitions. there are other debts. Get it into your heads it is nobodies fault but rangers.
08 May 2012 01:39:03
Any comments on these ''SCAMS''?
I take it everyone will now cancel their Vodafone contracts and set up demonstrations that mean they now have an unfair advantage over O2 and Orange / T-Mobile
VODAFONE
'''There's a flurry of tweets and a petition currently making rounds on the internet asking Vodafone to pay its taxes. That's the £4.8bn of tax that HM Revenue & Customs boss Dave Hartnett allegedly let Vodafone forgo when settling a longstanding tax dispute with the company'''
4.8 BILLION we are talking about here, and they are trading away quite the thing with a deal done by George Osborne.
Rangers will be different though eh?
RBS - 1 BILLION +
RBS made £3.8 billion on deals that involved it buying back its own debt. This would normally attach a corporation tax bill of more than £1 billion. The deals were done just a month after the government launched an asset protection scheme which provided a guarantee of RBS’s assets with taxpayers money,,, ALL OK THOUGH I TAKE IT, A BILLION??
AMAZON - This is astonishing...
The Guardian reports that recent filings with the US Security and Exchange Commission reveal that the company's UK arm generated £3.3 billion in sales last year, but that it paid NO corporate taxes on the profits for said sales. Amazon managed the 'trick' by transferring ownership of the UK business to Amazon EU Sarl, an entity based in Luxembourg, back in 2006. The physical UK operation itself is classified as a delivery and order-fulfillment business only, with all sales and transactions happening between consumers and the Luxembourg-based entity.
3.3 BILLION in sales in the UK, and ''NO'' TAX on that whatsoever.
However...we are The Glasgow Rangers
We must be hung drawn and quartered + maybe burned, and whatever more punishment you want to give to us.
Com'on timmy's, let's hear it, all the above isnae as bad as that Rangers lot done but, they should be punished for ever!!
To be honest, i would rather play in the bottom league and let you all get on with it, because through it all We Will Always Be ''The People''
If you disagree...let us know why...or why u think these companys are entitled to avoid paying BILLIONS. or is it just disagree because we are Rangers ?
I dont think anyone disagrees that everyone should pay their tax no matter how much. all tax dodgers should be dealt with, so rangers must still be punished as well as the others mentioned.
Good post, I agree with you completely about the third division. I'll be interested to see if all of those 'moral high ground' fans are willing to boycott these services.
GovanFR
So the argument is that because other have got away with it, Rangers should too? Sorry, the stable door was closed before Rangers managed to bolt because of the others who got away.
If 3 people burgled your house separately over a period of 3 years and the first two got away with it, would you be happy if your logic was applied to the last one too? (Maybe not the best analogy but I'm sure you understand the principle...)
Great post... How many hoopys are self employed and do cash work? I bet theres thousands. Just wish theyd look at the bigger picture instead of being stuck in the hate bubble. CheltBlue
If they owe taxes then they should pay too. If they have found legal ways of avoiding taxes then, as always, that's tough on us. Rangers have not found legal ways of avoiding taxes. Even if EBTs were legal there's still tax from the CW era to pay.
5/I am a "hoopy" who would not touch cash in hand work with a barge pole as the punishments are very heavy on VAT fraud.To the op;Hard as it might be for you to believe some of us have ethics,there are lots of companies i would not use and Vodaphone is among them.I also bank ethically and shop fairtrade as much as possible.Do you have sky? I dont as they are amongst the worst of the corporate bandits.
Sorry fella, it ain't just Celtic wanting you to pay your dues. Head out the sand on that one. ALL of Scottish football wants you to pay for bringing the game into serious disrepute and to the brink of disaster! Scott
07 May 2012 23:58:51
look like more problems around corner kennedy in touch with whyte for his shares i am sick to death of kennedy and murray they had there chance they should shut up and get lost an leave miller to get on with his takeover
He's been willing to help from the onset of administration. If he can secure Whyte's shares and take an active role in helping Miller, I'm all for it. Maybe the rest of the Blue Knights will see fit to help out as well
Stop swallowing the tabloid rubbish.No direct quotes from anyone concerned.
What is it with this guy? What's motivating an Edinburgh Hibs fan to keep bothering about Rangers business? Does he need counseling?
@3, yes I agree with you. What is in it for BK to keep interfering like this?
McWulf