Rangers Banter Archive January 09 2012

09 Jan 2012 23:54:05
Noticed we were singing levels by avicii on Saturday, decent tune hope it catches on


Warp

Yea,we seem to hav stolen the green brigade song book! very dissapointing

I have never heard of this song before so i youtubed it and its a dance song its absoulte mince and there is hardly any words so can anyone post the lyrics we wer singimg?

Well if that song was getting sang the lyrics are sometimes i get a good feeling yeah and a feeling that i never never never never had before no no i get a good feeling yeah

Is that wot wer reduced to now? Discussing song lyrics!! f*** me!!

09 Jan 2012 22:48:41
Lets be the pioneers to bring back standing areas. We could sell the old seats and buy more quality players!
CWD

One problem with standing areas is europe dznt allow it,huge cost involved in retracting seats n we dont have the cash im afraid.

They have safe standing zones in Germany, pretty sure that is in Europe.
???

pappy

Only for domestic games in 10% of the stadium. Seats are put in for European games as UEFA won't have standing areas in its competitions.

Pappy;get it now?

09 Jan 2012 22:20:54
I did some digging around about this Settlement between Arsenal FC and the HMRC according to statments on the web from diffrent sources Arsenal had a case taken up against them for back payments which came to £100m approx.
The HMRC declared the reason for this was Arsenal had attracted big name signings from all over the globe and used money said to be for image rights to reduce tax on the player(s) wage package as most sigings Arsenal FC made were players from countrys where only 5-8% of the players wage was such as taxable if even.
The HMRC found various accounts which detailed these transactions however Arsenal FC asked if there was a case to settle the Back payments so both parties won as such after months of investigation the HMRC presented Arsenal FC with there findings and offered them a settlement figure with out room for negotiation on which Arsenal accepted the figure has been speculated at £20m however the official sum has never been disclosed.

ken this might be dribble to some people and am no saying where going to settle or that just thought it was worth a read
WATP
BIG CRAIG

Where did these figures come from? most epl players are vat registered companys so the tax systems totally diff.posted this b4 but our smoking gun is the letters to players exempting them from payments thats tax avoidance

Keep clutching at those straws mate.

regardless of what might or might not have happened with arsenal, its completely different this time, different financial climate for one, and the government are hell bent on doing everyone found guilty of this. there will be no settlement offered to rangers, nor one accepted by hmrc

09 Jan 2012 21:36:27
When are we fans going to realise that this clown Whyte is going to continue lying and trying to pull the wool over our eyes. We spent last window listening to bogus claims about Goodwillie, danns, juhasz etc. we got a pair of wasters in bedoya and mackay. Wonder when Whyte will start bidding £200k for a £2m rated player. This guy is unbelievable, and yet the fans are letting him away with it all again.

Ally declared again that he has to have another meeting with Whyte to discuss Sandaza. For Christ sake we are talking about £300k, not £10m. I can see that we will sign nobody that costs, and a last minute bid will come in and we will lose players with no time to replace them. This dithering in the summer cost us at least a place in Europa league if not cl and this window he is going to cost us the league.

And for those of you that come out with the nonsense that he saved us from the bank, I remember the bank giving us enough to sign jelavic. The bank would not have put us into admin because they would have lost, whyte will lose £1 so not so confident that he will not put us into admin.

He has been proved to be a liar, a conman, and a thoroughly unreputable character who was barred from being a director for seven years, and this man owns Rangers!
Bill Struth, Jock Wallace and Willie Waddell will be spinning in their graves.

He needs to go and we need to get rid of him now.

You get your wish and Mr Whyte goes and then who takes over??

I look forward to your reply mate

JG

JG - are you actually happy with whyte?? He clearly doesn't have the funds to take us forward!

The demos should have started 3 months ago they should def start next home game

It is time for the people who really care for the club to take over, us the fans. No one person should own rfc, god knows we should have learned our lesson from the Murray debacle. We don't need spivs, con men and those interested in a quick buck

In answer to the question, am i happy that we have no money? of course not but get real we have no alternatives at this time. Whyte was the only one prepared to take the rangers on, clear the bank debt and fight the tax man so we should be thankful that we still have a club to SUPPORT right now. he and we can do nothing until the case is settled

JG

Jg he didn't clear the debt, rangers now owe the money to whyte himself

Maybe i am missing something here, who owns rangers mate? I thought Whyte´s company bought out David Murray.

So rangers owned by Whyte,s company owes Whyte,s company money. lets just be thankful that we dont still owe the bank or we would be in administration by now

JG

09 Jan 2012 21:10:39
This one with the stock exchange is the final straw! We are
Heading for administration 100% maye even liquidation

Craig whyte has done nothing but lie since he bought Rangers
He initially said he would invest 5m per season maybe more if required - he spent about 1m tops. He said that he was sure we would win the taxcase, doesn't seem that way now.

He embarrassed the club in the summer with those pathetic offers for Goodwillie and hemed etc, made a mockery of us.

Then came the BBC documentary, banned from being a director, left a company bankrupt, failed to pay staff at his companies and f**ks off to Monaco for 8 years after asset stripping a shipment company he owned.

The guy is a complete crook and I am totally sick of this s**te at Rangers. Why did he buy us if he has no money to invest?
Why? Also cannot believe that some Fans on here still stick up for this clown?!! The guy has done nothing to deserve any support from us yet, he has not taken us forward at all. What happened to the 10m in working capital we were promised? He has invested zilch, he has not paid for any player we have signed or even invested period ! Then we have had all these small court cases against us due to this guy, he is dragging rangers name through the gutter!

Then we have these unaudited accounts, what is the excuse this time? Nobody in their right mind would do a deal with this guy. Before all you so called fans (prob don't even go to games) call me timmy etc, what has whyte done to make you believe that he has any money? Aluko paid his own transfer FFS!! Now we are looking at replacing Jela with sandaza!!! That says it all for me! Sell an 8m player and replace with a 200k one! Pathetic! I could live with selling players if we were at least gonna invest half the money, that is good business but 200k replacement for a 8m player?! That says it all about this guy. We cannot even afford Boyd or anyone for that matter as this guy has invested zero.

Someone please tell me why we should stick by this mercenary ?

He sorted oor tellies,

thats a joke by the way

he took away the bank debt that was hanging over us

he kept jelly, davis and shagger when it would have been easy to sell them

he stepped up when no one else would to fight the tax case

hate to burst your bubble but not all succesful business men make it by being squeaky clean and charitable

JG

BTW this was my post

Jas

...Away and support Partick Thistle mate...as for me i,m keeping an open mind till after the tax case..thats the reason we are in financial limbo...Big Dee..

I will tell you why we should stick by our CHAIRMAN. For a good few years Mr murray tried & failed 2 sell our club. Alastair johnston our former chairman said if they did not accept Mr Whtyes bid they would cut our credit line that night, so we would have been f***ed if Mr Whyte never came in with his bid of £1 for the club, I am sure you the poster could have stumped up that £1 but you didn't & neither did I or any person on this site, now I don't know about you but I have a season ticket in the copland rear with my son & always will have no matter what team is on the pitch even if Mr tax man gets us & we have 2 play youth team players, so you say Mr Whyte
has not invested in the club this is the reason I ask if you attend games, you see yes he never delivered on the big transfer fees thank f*** for that as we got pumped out of europe so no income on that front, but if you do go 2 the games then you will see that IBROX is now back 2 the standards that it set before remember that IBROX is a five star stadium not like parkhead, now it looks like it again, also I research & read what is going on with the club, most people will tell you that football is now a business & if you done some research you would see there is now money coming into RANGERS from business revenues you would never think of, that is what ali russell & Mr Whyte were talking about when they said alot of things had 2 be explored to maximise profits 2 benefit the team, now my friend you say Mr Whyte is a mercenary what I will say is, yes he may be a mercenary but he is 1 with a bigger set of balls than any1 else I can see about here, so stick 2 supporting the team & stop being a f***in glory hunter that is why Mr W hyte is trying 2 sort out the mess because Mr Murray was a glory hunter also, accept it wasn't his money it was Lloyds banks money & they wanted it back, hope this gives you some reason 2 stick by our CHAIRMAN
NTYABOW

To be quite honest I would rather the team was full of 200k players than living beyond our means the 90s are over I would hate to see rangers or celtic in the epl cause alot of folk wouldnt turn up too many glory hunters and idiots who cant even see us sign a player because hes a tim or played for celtic who cares at the end of the day they play for rangers thats all that matters

There's now money coming in from business revenues??
like what? he's mortgaged the season ticket sales, sold off the catering, jjb own the rights to the jersey, thoise 3 incomes alone, barring tv money are the largest funding a club has, any other income is a pittance and wouldn't cover the day-to-day running of a club.

get real, he's a shyster, a con-man, here to asset strip the club and walk away with as much as he can with an outlay of a single £1!

he hasnt spent a single penny of his own money, looking at the ins and outs, wages saved etc, it's probably even stevens

NTYABOW - To confirm, I have season ticket in the west enclosure. Fair play he has fixed up the stadium a bit, the screens now working etc. But, in my stand the burger stalls were the exact same, I have not been in the Govan/Copland or anything for a while so cant comment. I just think that since whyte took over we seem to be a total mess with organisation. The transfer bids in teh summer were embarasing, we offered seriously low contracts, the guy has been banned from being a director, then we have all these small court cases with previous employees and small companies over unpaid bills - why?

He also commited to invest £5m per season with that investment being frontloaded, this has not happened. if you factor in the bougy sale we spent about £1m net in the summer. Then he is looking at replacing Jela with a £200k player this is why i am not happy.. I am not asking for superstar signing just people that live up to playing for Gers.

Jas

09 Jan 2012 19:18:13
can we all please stop all this kris boyd coming back. having spoken to many people and listening to a few radio stations ally mccoist and kris boyd don't exactly see eye to eye. this comes from more than one journalist. i'm not saying they dislike each other but put it this way they aren't best of chums. bottom line is if ally wanted boyd he would have been in the door by now!- besides boyds been shown up to be the mediocre player he is and i'm not in the least bit surprised he is clubless!

Take it you're listening to the Clyde phone in! lol

Miko x

How would he have been there by now? rangers have no money, sone aluko payed his own way and rangers are wanting sandaza to do the same...

I take it your listening to it Miko lol

Aye, lol

Miko

09 Jan 2012 18:47:59
think kerkar should get a run in team.played two great passes yesterday looked quick and tricky plus took his goal really well.

The same kerkar that ally tried to ship out on loan?

No not the same one.

Wow!two great passes on the same game?mist be quality.two passes?you sure?lmfao

09 Jan 2012 17:34:04
I'm putting mu neck on the line here....Craig Whyte is the best man to get us through these tough times. So whyte doesn't see the benefit in the club being a listed company. well he's the man with a 85% majority shareholding so its his call. he's came in and inherited an absolute shambles, when no one else wpuld touch us. he signed davis, mcgregor n whittaker on 5 year deals, brought in bartley on loan along with glian, bocanegra, wallace, ortiz, mckay n bedlya. we missed out on a few players fair enough but the guy wasn't willing to pay over the odds. goodwillie was out of the question as soon as blackburn became interested and the likes of conway n danns would have been offered a bigger package to sign for cardoff n leicester. this transfer window is 9 days old!! no team have recruited as of yst, well not substancially anyway. so lets see what jan brings shall we. As for this story about the stock exchange....read his statement on bbc n you get the impression it's not a big issue. que the experts to correct me though eh?!
support the man instead of jumping to conclusions about everything thats being reported. our club faces tough times currently and ahead, we'll have enough people knocking us n teasing us. lets not panic, lets support our club..
j1985

It means that Whyte can now do what he likes with the club because the 15% minority shareholders won't have a say now that the shares have stopped trading.

Part of his plan I believe.

Well said J1985. Totally agree with you mate. This is a massive month for Rangers Football Club on and off the field. Let us supporters concentrate on our team and let the guys that run our club do their job. Give the guy a chance.
In Ally We Trust.
FF81

When did 15% ever have a say in any company

To the guy who posted about the minority.
It doesnt matter if the shares ae trading or not, if you own more than 50% of anything you have the majority and therefore the say, you can never be outvoted mate

JG

15% should be more like 10% by my reckoning. does andrew ellis not have 5%? anyway thats neither here nor there. where were these shareholdsrs when we needed someone with a bit of balls to take charge and face our problems head on? in fact name me anyone apart from whyte who even showed an interest in us? that says a lot to me. lets not forget the guys a rangers man, i mean we all talk about potential signings....aw he's a rangers man, he'll do a turn cause he's got rangers at heart n aw this carry on....what makes whyte any different? gee the guy a break he's done absolutly nothing negative with our club to date.....here it comes.....fact!!!!
j1985

You are the kind of dafty that will let our club go to the wall and then Wonder what happened! The guy is a crook wake up pal before its too late! We should protest against this guy!

J

Wee dafty that will let my team go to the wall? away you go ya big drama queen. protests!!lol. for what? go for it pal lets have it, whats he done?? we're facing a potentially crippling tax bill so if he goes who'll take our case on? look at the bigger pictire you tool.
j1985

Well said J1985.

people on here have no perspective.

If there was no Whyte, we'd have a team of reserves playing week in and week out.

This is not what the fans want to hear, but until the Tax case is done and dusted and we do go into administration, whyte is our one and only option.... Its funny how people keep complaining about Whyte, but for all my time on here...Not a single poster who complains has come up with an alternative solution, other than buying a deloreen and going back and stopping Advocaat from Wasting £12M on Flo, £5M. on Konterman ..+wages (£30-£40K +) and McLiesh wasting god knows how much wages on Emerson, and Capucho. (don't kid yourselves people these were the EBT players, along with the DeBoers, Henning Berg etc)

So just get behind the players and leave the financial situation to Mr Whyte, because there is absolutely nothing constructive you can do other than complain on a website

Rikkisixx

09 Jan 2012 17:00:12
I know this comes up evey year on this site and for 1s im the 1 doing it lol but Gattuso did promise use fans he would b back and he wouldent wait till he was to old for european football but now that we need to play our way in to europe do u guys think he will change his mind about his return?

Isn't he ill currently and his future in doubt?

Gattuso has got health problems at the moment. As far as I know he is still blind in one eye so I doubt he will be signing for us.

He is still blind in one eye so can't play just know.

Might be better than some of the midfield at the moment then...

He is back playin football now. Think he played in friendly v psg last week

I know he is playing football again....i just wonderd what we think about his promise to return now that we wont b in champions leauge as we need to play our way in now?....he did say he wouldent wait till he was to old for champions leauge football so what u guys think?

09 Jan 2012 16:39:22
so whats the deal does this new credit problem mean no-one to Rangers even on loan? {Ed014's Note - No it doesn't effect transfers.

Ed, don't you think clubs will want money up front know. So it will effect transfers and loan deals. Remember celtic wanted the ticket money up front for the last old firm game. {Ed014's Note - The situation regarding transfers is the same as it was.Craig Whyte knew this suspension would happen.

09 Jan 2012 16:16:53
Chelsea Manager André Villas Boas said live on sky sports Ally has got what it takes as manager and gers will win the league.

He didn't. He said he felt sorry for McCoist and Durrant.

From the guy likely to be sacked before end of season lol

09 Jan 2012 16:06:59
Hi folks, i am a celtic fan and i come in peace, i bear no ill will to rangers or the fans but i have to ask a question nobody else has asked. What happens to the other 15% that is not owned by craig whyte?
it looks like he has basically mugged all the hard working, loyal fans that bought into the club with their hard earned money. have they not effectivly just lost the small shares and if so will you be compensated? He owns the majority 85% and is not fussed about the minority?
I really feel for the fans in this, the support you have given your club through this is great and you should be credited for it but removing/suspending stocks and shares is giving you less and less of a say in how your Club is run and that is bad. you deserve better!

Scotty Bhoy

Scott I'm not 100% sure but King owns 11% of the shares. It was the previous owner that jumped ship and left us on our knees. We need to calm down and wait to see the out come of the tax case. Everything depends on that.
FF81

Na not really chief .... all members of public and shareholders were told of this last year Whyte announced that the audits wouldnt be completed til after the tax case. Their shares have not been sold they would have had the choice to get rid .... besides its a risk market investing in shares its the risk you take nothing is said when these people make a fortune outta their shares.

Have to say I didn't buy my shares as an investment, it was always about owning a small piece of the club, even my poxy 30+ shares mean more to me than any cash I may lose

What stake does ellis have in rangers?

Ellis has a stake in the holding company that officially owns Rangers. The Rangers FC Group Ltd.

GovanFR

At least your a celtic fan with a good question, you probly know m8 no Rangers means no celtic. and both clubs need each other.

Sorry mate,but thats crap.celtic do not need rangers.if your club folds,it folds. We,ll always be here.

You will be where m8 , sky contract states bothRangers and celtic have to be in spl or their wont be a sky contract, no money no spl then what will celtic do. wake up m8 we need both teams to survive.

09 Jan 2012 15:56:58
could one of the haters please explain what Whyte has done personally to damage rangers. from where i see it it was murray, bain etc that dererted a sinking ship.

Whyte can only play with the hand murray left him. I realy think he is trying his best with the s**t he inherited.

Surely martin bain must have sat with david murray and board members and realised the club were over spendind and the tax problem was a problem even then, surely david murray and bain must be culpable for the tax problem ,as for martin bain to have the balls to even try and squeeze the club for 3 million when he was part of the problem,i would love to hear what david murray has to say about how the club is in such a mess. i really hope craig whyte has a plan .

09 Jan 2012 15:39:31
Is it true that if Rangers dont submit accounts which have been independantley audited that UEFA will refuse a licence to play in European compititions?

Lol naw ....... no plc clubb shows their books ..... were people gettin this tripe from !

Possibly. Books have to be balanced, that may not effect it, good question but. ED.. Can u answer that fir us mate?. {Ed001's Note - it is true that they have to submit financial reports to get a license to compete in Europe. It is part of the FFP ruling.}

09 Jan 2012 14:24:12
Come on when is the demos going start against Mr tight? Admit it to yourself hes a crook

Can you tell me where we would be right now if he had not stepped in and taken over the bank debt? There was not exactly a queue of people with cash stretching doon the copeland road mate

JG

So is Alan sugar, he's a bak stabber and look at him now.

Agree - he is a crook! next home game?

09 Jan 2012 14:06:09
What the f*ck is going on at rangers. don't be fooled by Craig whyte saying it doesnt matter that we can't trade on the stock Market because he owns 84% of the club. This man is turning our club into a laughing stock.

If it matters so much then what is the daily volume of Rangers shares traded then mate?

JG

Who gives a f*ck what volume Of shares are traded. The guys a crook, i was willing to give him a chance but it's one thing after another. From our ridiculous dealings in the transfer Market, through all the lies of money that will b spent and now on tO this sh*te! Open your eyes the guy is shaftin us!!

Let me get this straight. He took away the bank debt of about 15m he stepped up to take on the tax case, he kept jelavic, davis and shagger when it would have been to his financial gain to sell them and he is shafting us. disagree

JG

09 Jan 2012 13:34:50
I have been telling u all about Mr tight for 6 months, but did u listen? NO.

The gers grim reaper

09 Jan 2012 13:08:37
Rangers have been took of the stock market there will be no players signed let's party hoops fans

You're on the wrong track,,,,,read the facts before you post.

09 Jan 2012 11:33:05
Why are folk constantly talking garbage about O'Connor in talks with Rangers?

If O'Connor were to be in talks with Rangers it would have been all over the press.......not some rumour website!!

TTG

What part of RUMOUR do you not understand FFS .

Haaaa..superb that'll be why it's Rangers rumours.

09 Jan 2012 09:13:23
How much would Sone Aluko be worth?

Just wondering as he looks a tricky attacking player and is a Nigerian international. Great performance against Arbroath.

A bargain cosidering we got him free

I reckon between 46 and 50 million if you look at his career history

birmingham reject
aberdeen reject
pays to play for rangers
now worth 46-50 million at least

09 Jan 2012 07:56:02
V Weiss was a player of REAL quality and any other rangers fan who sais otherwise is just not worth acknowledging or bothering with would have been a fantastic signing we hadnt had a player like him since the gazza laudrup days, and if whytie wasnt lying we cud have got him for around the 3 million mark i reckon but hey ho lets get linked with 2nd rate SPL players instead!! why dont we go for Jonny Russell of dundee utd while were at it, twice the player that big dumplin oconnor is. and actually ortiz if u watch him is actually technically really good on the ball like a hemdani sort of player, rangers fans expected a speedy ronaldo type winger because they watched a wonder goal clip of him on youtube. And ppl can slate my opinion if they want but i dont think gregg wylde is up to much atall, he has pace yes....but nothing else, terrible vision for a winger and no final product, neil mccann was twice the player! I Think coisty shuda moved kyle hutton up to the first team instead of him, we need to sell whittiker PRONTO cant believe he is on 20k plus a week its llaughable, sell him to a championship team and play jordan macmillian and use the wages to buy some creativity, we need rid of whittiker, edu, mcculoch, lafferty, broadfoot, mckay, bedoya, Yes yes i know we have won the league 3 times in a row, but these guys are all deadwood i want to actually qualify for the championsleague, these are expensive players that are at a level where we can win SPL games but nothing more, i am not slating the team i always back my team but we need change big change, i am entitled to my opinion as i pay good money for my season ticket every year.

Neil mccann was 10 times the player not twice the player, mccann and wylde shouldn't be put in the sentence

I could not agree more. my only disagreement is about mckay. how can we judge a player who has hardly seen the pitch. i am an australian also, and can honestly say that he could be a real gem, if he was given a chance. i totally agree about s**ttaker. since he got his pay rise, his form has deteriorated to that of a pub player. i also agree about ortiz. he was a regular when we were undefeated. he is no messi, but was composed on the ball, and kept possession. i would rather our players kept possession, than just pumped it up the park for jelavic. think we should have kept weiss. at least has flair and not scared to take players on. cannot believe we waste wages on weir. for goodness sake, common sense should have kicked in and weir should have been released. find it strange that with our mid season slump, fringe players such as mckay, bedoya, fleck, kerkar, ortiz, healy, mcmillan, perry, ness, hutton , hemmings etc have not been used.

Sell Mackay and Bedoya? They have hardly played. Edu and Lafferty have been two of our better players this season and you want them sold too? Play Jordan Macmillian as a wing back instead of Whittiker? I think you need to stay of the meth, son. We will have to play at least 3 qualifying rounds for Champions League etc - i suggest if you want that so badly and hate all our players, you start following some Premiership side instead. We bluenoses get behind our team.

The Big question is - Will you be paying good money for next years season ticket ? Mr Whyte wants you to pay early .

Ffs we already get our notification for renewall befor the seasons is finished ...if thats the case can anticipate my renewall comin in march!!!

09 Jan 2012 01:33:53
Heard that aluko is going to real for 45 million and were getting ronaldo and casillas ... Christ boys it wis arbroath we played the day he's mince.
Bringing in a few strikers should be big CW's concern instead a pie stands anawl.
WATP !
Wee Bee

If he is Mince, then there is a lot of tripe about.

Pete

There shure is. im not that big a fan of aluko but at least the boy trys his best thats more than you can say about most of that team.

09 Jan 2012 00:24:17
not a rumour, just want peoples opinion. what do people think of eric djemba djemba? the ex man united player. hard as nails, cheap as cheese, being in norway, and he was a good player in my opinion. as is david bellion and kleberson. by the way ed, has there been any major transfer news lately? thanks
ste {Ed001's Note - nothing mate, sorry. It might be a quiet January.}

Djemba Djemba - so good they named him twice ! Should interest Craig Whyte - he's got 2 dates of birth .

Why are you just plucking out names that didn't make it at man utd