Rangers Banter Archive November 09 2014

 

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09 Nov 2014 20:14:14
Ed I fear for some in here's sanity, !!!! I seen a post regarding Lewis McLeod better prospect than wanyama, sorry miles better& rangers share price wilincrease so kfraser your value's over 10million. lol what crazy figure you got in mind??you sound as good as duff&Phelps with em

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{Ed039's Note - That was rather insane)

I'd rather have McLeod in my team than Wanyama. If that makes me insane, so be it.

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You ain't said mate is you're value above 10 million lol??dark room springs too mind

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11 Nov 2014 11:52:41
atm Wanyama is a far better player than McLeod. Time will tell if he comes good though.

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11 Nov 2014 16:32:15
kfraser: So would I.

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11 Nov 2014 18:27:11
Once McLeod has bossed the midfield against Xavi and Iniesta then you can start comparing the two.

At the moment McLeod has been playing against a much lower level of opposition so it is hard to tell how good he is.

Yes I agree that he has been performing well and he has the chance of being a very good player but at the moment he still has a lot to prove.

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11 Nov 2014 19:03:28
Rabmac Is that to say Wanyama bossed Xavi and Iniesta? A good player,but I wouldn't go that far. I thought Celic used him more as a battering ram at set pieces.

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11 Nov 2014 19:25:48
I watched the match mate and have never seen Xavi that quiet because Wanyama was all over him. Easily the best midfielder I have seen in Scotland since van Bronckhorst.

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Exactly rab, he has performed we'll
So far but against lower level teams. time will tell. as I said in earlier posts fleck was the next big thing&look how that turned out!!!!

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MacLeod will develop, the experience of being in the Scotland senior squad will help. So Ally, leave the boy alone and we will benefit at the end of the day. Have enough confidence in yourself to put together a team to beat Alloa, without Lewis, and let him grow in stature. At the end of the day, I have no doubt MacLeod will be a far superior player to Wanyama.

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12 Nov 2014 09:38:13
McCoist is just trying to do what is best for Rangers in this instance as he wants his players available. He is not doing anything that other managers don't do. You see Mourinho trying to influence international managers all the time and get his players left out of squads as his job is to do what is best for Chelsea.

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09 Nov 2014 18:47:28
Looking at the SPL table a quarter way through the season and though the Septics are joint top, they've already dropped 10 points. Only four points separates the top five and a couple of Septic's wins have been rather fortunate to say the least. We've beaten the 2nd and 9th placed teams in the League Cup and play the 7th placed (Kilmarnock) in the Scottish Cup soon. When/if we get back to the SPL next season I don't see it being the huge uplift in quality some seem to think. If we were there now (without McCoist I hasten to add) we'd definitely be top four. Let's hope Ashley or whoever puts money in to get a new manager and just two or three quality signings AND gives the really good kids a chance. Septic will doubtless win the league mainly because Inverness, Dundee Utd et al will continue to drop points in silly games. The climb back won't be as steep as we'd thought.

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And rangers have dropped 8 points ( only 2 less) playing in a lower league. I commend your optimism but it is not as cut and dried as your post makes out remember the east end team are also playing european ties at this time also,,,

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I wish it was that easy mate however we the 2 games we have played against the SPL team we have won them both 1-0 and it has been late goals. Its different playing them in a one off but when you have to play teams like that week on week its a totally different ballgame. We are not a million miles away i agree but seriouness investment needed if we are to be a top 4 team

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Ross and Johnny G. You are right with your comments. I'm not pretending things are better than they are. It is just that I think the SPL teams are not as good as some make out. Of course, we need investment but we can't go back to the bad old days, spending money we don't have. This is why McCoist has missed an opportunity, i. e. of bringing through a handful of youngsters and this could have started when were in the bottom tier. Get the like of Mackay and Gallagher back now and why not play Hutton and give him a protracted run. I remember his great goal against Celtic in his Old Firm debut - was that in 2012?

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DOIGER: I like Mackay and Gallagher,
Gallagher more so. I just don't rate the boy Hutton, he tends to hide in games.
Did he just sign a new deal as well?

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{Ed039's Note - Kyle Hutton signed a one year deal last season)

Cheers Ed, thought he got a new deal in the summer.

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{Ed039's Note - Yeah it did mean to say summer instead of season in my response, poor decision when you consider Ally was such a fan of Scott Allan and Hutton probably on better wages than him)

10 Nov 2014 18:15:12
DOIGER:Did Hutton score against Celtic?
Are you thinking of Ness?

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{Ed039's Note - Jamie Ness scored a 25 yard screamer against Celtic at Ibrox, I dont remember it very well because I was almost knocked unconcious by the big ape behind me in the East Enclosure when he went mental)

10 Nov 2014 19:06:30
Ed: The day was a bit hazy for me as well,but what a goal.I thought I was watching a legend in the making with that boy,not to be.

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{Ed039's Note - Chose to jump ship and ends up on loan at Leyton Orient)

Gkk. You are right, it was Ness. Must have been wishful thinking. lol

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No worries mate, easy mistake to make.

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McKay (like a few young ones) has in my opinion gone backwards. I remember him coming on against St Johnstone in our last SPL game & wondered where the H*ll we'd been hiding him.
showed glimpses in first team but not consistent - can't even get a first slot at Raith Rovers, against Linlithgow Rose wasn't even used as 1 of 3 subs.
By the way - same game - Ross Perry was absolutely shocking!!!!

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11 Nov 2014 18:34:02
Ask yourself this. How many of the current Rangers team would make the starting XI for Celtic?

Wallace better than Izaguirre?
Lewis McLeod better than Mulgrew? [he is not better than Brown]
Miller better than Scepovic?
Boyd better than Guidetti?

These are the only ones I think might get a game for Celtic. The rest of the team would have no chance and even these ones are not givens.

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11 Nov 2014 21:09:59
Rabmac Wallace is better than Izaguirre,fact. Charlie Mullgrew or Lewis
McCleod? Its McCleod for me even at this point in his career.Broony the hard man is the most over-rated Celic player since
Paul McStay.Truth be told,out of the 4 I'd only say Guidetti is better than Boyd,and that's on current form.

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{Ed039's Note - I hate to ask this question, but you think Paul McStay was over rated? Really? I know he played for them, but the guy was class and the same with Durrant, had he not had injuries and/or left the Old Firm goldfish bowl he would have proven it)

12 Nov 2014 08:17:09
Durrant got cut down by that sheep scumbag just when he had the world at his feet,still ended up having a good career,but he would have been world class.That term is used too freely these days,but Durrant was something else.

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11 Nov 2014 22:20:45
I agree Ed, both McStay and Durrant were quality players. I also thought Charlie Miller was class until he went off the rails.

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{Ed039's Note - If Charlie wasnt such a lad he would have done really well for himself, I remember my old man seeing him as a teenager at a reserve game at Parkhead (which used to get crowds of 30,000) and telling me to watch out for him, he had all the tools, unfortunately when it came to managing himself he actually was a bit of a tool)

Ed039, I would say Mcstay was a nearly player. His comfort zone was the east end and did not dominate games. Souness, for example took total control, but sometimes he overpowered his own team. Durrant, Gascoigne, De Boer, to name three, were total class and were the total deal.

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{Ed039's Note - McStay was a nearly player, and yes Parkhead was his comfort zone, but he had all the qualities to be a top player, he just didnt branch out, but I calls it as I sees it and I cant agree that he wasnt a very good player)

12 Nov 2014 04:41:09
Ed I don't mind admitting when a Celic player is class,Danny McGrain was world class,John Clark was the best centre half I've ever seen.I could go on for a while,but McStay? I couldn't see it.Just my opinion.

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{Ed039's Note - Entitled to it bud, just mines differs)

12 Nov 2014 16:47:29
@Billyb - Out of curiousity I would like to ask you what years were you watching McStay?

In the 80s I remember how good McStay was and when he played well, Celtic played well. He was the complete midfielder who played box to box and could dictate the tempo of a game. He had a great range of passing and a cracking shot as well.

In the 90s he went downhill a bit, mainly due to the fact he was playing in such a sh*t Celtic team, that were totally dominated by Rangers. He also had a lot of bad injuries that hampered him. Saying that I recall how amazing he was at the European Championships in 92 and he recaptured his 80s form.

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12 Nov 2014 19:42:25
Billyb rabmac: I get the impression you are both old enough to remember the 86 League Cup final,or were maybe there as was I,if you can watch it I recommend it.
Durrant was phenomenal in that game,
McStay never got a look in. Brilliant stuff.

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Ed039/RabMac/gkk. I watched McStay from the days he represented Scotland schools to the day he retired from the game and agree he was a very good player. I watched him in full flow against us at Celtic park on many occasions, but, in my opinion, he lacked that something special gift that players like Ian Durrant had. Durrant could turn a game with one magic moment and his work rate was second to none.

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09 Nov 2014 14:17:11
Watching my two favourite teams in the whole wide world battling it out here, and I honestly don't know who I'd rather see winning it. I don't know why big Broony the hard man is still on the pitch.

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Am i missing something ?

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{Ed039's Note - Sarcasm perhaps?)

09 Nov 2014 19:25:33
Wull61: I ended up watching Celic v The Sheep today, despite myself on the laptop,but towards the end it started bufferin quite badly.So when I sent the post in I never knew Broony the hard man had been sent off,he should have been off long before it for a few bad ones,but they could have kicked the s***e out of one another for all I care.

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Strange post mate

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10 Nov 2014 15:01:46
Rossw01:As the Ed pointed out,I was indeed being sarcastic by saying I was watching my two favourite teams(celtic/aberdeen)despite myself,on Sunday.So when I sent my OP I thought Broony was still on the pitch,but I encountered a bit of buffering near the end,and it transpired that Brown had indeed been sent off,that's it.If it appears strange to you,what can I do? Wull61 asked if he was missing something,so I explained the post to him as best I could.

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I understand what ed wrote but its still a strange post

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09 Nov 2014 10:01:00
"Rangers manager Ally McCoist is to seek an agreement with Scotland manager Gordon Strachan that in-form midfielder Lewis Macleod can be "loaned" back to his club from the national squad preparing for matches against the Republic of Ireland and England so that he can play against Alloa in the Championship next Saturday"

Seriously!

If this is factual then it has to be up there as one of the most embarrassing moments of his tenure!

Speechless.

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Yes Blue Velvet it seems incredulous. The man has not got a clue, I could go on and on about his actions but this, together with his 'war of words' with Craig Gordon speaks volumes. The man is not fit to manage our club.

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09 Nov 2014 13:54:58
Billyb: Agreed the man is a balloon,but do you believe he offered Gordon a deal?

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Blue velvet, billyb and gkk its actually you three that are the embarrassment not Ally. He is asking that we are allowed to play our best player and one of the best players in Scotland in a league match in front of of a big Ibrox crowd. what's wrong with that if Lewis doesn't play on the Friday night? I bet you sit at home hoping that we lose so as you can come on here and have a dig at our manager, get a life!

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Jyf, I'm afraid, like most of your posts, you don't understand what the manager's game is. He says he'll keep Lewis MacLeod's feet on the ground but now we can't play without him. So what affect does that have on our other players. MacLeod is a great prospect but he is not a one man team. One of the tactics McCoist knows is ''cover your butt. ''

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OK billb, from a fans point of view who goes to the games, I want to see Lewis play for Rangers as opposed to sitting on the bench, at best, for Scotland and then being unavailable due to a stupid meaningless friendly on Tuesday night. I don't know what the managers game is, What ? He wants his best player playing for his (our) team, whos the balloon here ?

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09 Nov 2014 15:33:01
I can see for and against as it upsets the flow of the player, but if there is a chance of him playing against Alloa even though we shouldn't need him, then why not ask, given he is so important to us.

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09 Nov 2014 15:37:55
Jyf : I never mentioned McCleod,big Ibrox crowds or anything else your wafflin about,but I was at Ibrox yesterday in the p****n rain hoping we'd lose???I asked billyb if he thought Ally offered Gordon a deal,in his opinion.

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09 Nov 2014 16:09:07
The manager cannot offer him a deal he can recommend the board offer him a deal and I believe ally said he believed a deal was put in front of him, when he was asked the question.
r. f

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09 Nov 2014 16:09:55
Jyf: I also want to see him play for us rather than warm the bench for Scotland. Its just the way McCoist conducts himself I have a problem with.He's going cap in hand to Strachan,when we should be blowing Alloa away,McCleod or not.

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@7 you called our manager a balloon. Why ?

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09 Nov 2014 16:51:04
Eh. That's because I think he's a balloon.

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{Ed039's Note - Thats as good an answer as any I suppose)

@11 it didn't answer the question though.

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{Ed039's Note - Probably too polite, perhaps if you replace "balloon" with a random swear word it might be more obvious what is being said)

09 Nov 2014 17:42:59
Ally mc is a balloon and a burst one at that.

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Lets get back to the original point our manager is being slagged off for trying to get our best player playing for OUR club next Saturday, who are the balloons here?

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{Ed039's Note - I understand the point mate, you asked the question)

Jyf, I have a life, a very nice one at that thank you very much.

Just you keep on supporting the worst, most inept Ranger's manager I have seen in 45 years of supporting Rangers. I, however, will chose to be honest and express my opinion when and how I chose.

I'm sure Killie and Celtic and shaking in their shoes now that ally has basically made it public that he has so little faith in his squad that he doesn't think they are good enough to take on the mighty Alloa, no disrespect, without Lewis MacLeod!

Astonishing.

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09 Nov 2014 19:41:52
Well said Blue Velvet, you, me and even jyf, if given the nod should be able to step into young mccleods boots for the day and hols off the might of alloa, i'm sure fans from all over who still travel for games will also be made up the game is still on Saturday instead of something like a Tuesday night Xmas week.

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{Ed039's Note - Thats a little disrespectful to the Alloa players who have punched above their weight the last few seasons but we get what you mean)

Your right ed, I did mean to say no disrespect to ALLOA, and fair play to them not feeling sorry for us and asking the sfa to postpone due to us not being able to field our best? 11.

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Gkk@2] No, I do not think a deal was on the table. Gordon's response speaks volumes as far as I am concerned. To Jyf, even Mr Beltrami could not defend McCoist's actions.

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JYF is ally's agent.

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@19no not Ally's agent just a Rangers fan, tell me this what would your preference be, 1. McLeod sits on the bench and does not play a game this weekend 2. If not played for Scotland he plays for us 3. Gers game called off or 4. None of the above, me I want to see him play for Scotland but I don't think that will happen this weekend so I want to see him play for us is that really wrong? And I suspect Ally sees it that way too.

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First time poster

Reading the above post i feel young Lewis has a bright future at our club and don't think he will go till next summer, but if he was to go i would say 3 million for him as young ryan gauld went for 5-6 mill and i feel lewis is the same kind of value but going but us being a championship team i fell 3 million would be fair if a clubs selling there best player excluding only wallace.

with this i could only say would bring in a good young striker as i see this as boyds last season maybe miller for another year but bring in young callum g currently on loan at cowden for next season and a new right back as don't rate foster but has been playing good of late could do with some cover there would also say new center back as see big jig hangin up his boots at the end of the season but have big zal who can do a job and young boys for cover,

whats my fello bears thoughts ??

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Mandy93:I thought Gauld went for about 3 million ? Is the 5-6 million including his wages etc ?

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@20 jyf. I don't think you are ally's agent, I think you are ally as you seem to have the same grip on reality as he does. 1) on his first Scotland call up, you want Lewis MacLeod to tell Gordon Strachan "I'm only coming if I'm getting a game". 2) going by your theory, Gordon Strachan will have an 11 man squad.

Genius

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Your OP said you were speechless, I wish, who said anything about McLeod saying anything to starchan? Ally asked that if he doesn't feature on Friday we be able to play him on Sat, we all hope he gets his first cap but he won't get that unless he plays and we will know whither
he played or not by the time we kick off on Sat if he did not play then why not let him play against Alloa

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Gkk: yes sorry ment between 2-3 million
lack of sleep on my part but i still fell that valuation of the lad isn't far off the kind of money we should be holing out for Mcleod

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11 Nov 2014 23:53:03
Mandy93 I'll go with that,2 mill anyway.

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09 Nov 2014 07:50:02
Out of interest, what do you reckon a reasonable transfer fee for Lewis McLeod would be? 4 mil plus sell on? More/ less ?

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09 Nov 2014 10:24:30
I wouldn't even contemplate selling him nipponbear. He's the one player in our team I look forward to watching. I hope he turns out as good as I expect him too. I don't think anyone will pay the sort of transfer fee you mentioned while we are in the championship. He's still young, not 21 till next summer, we should b looking to hold on to him for a couple of seasons after this one and I think we would be due a bit more than 4 million. Hope he stays for a while, he seems like a level headed kid, though I will admit I'm really worried about losing him for pennys in January or the summer

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I think, if he goes, we should only do so with a loan back clause for a minimum of one season. I honestly believe the boy will be a star given the correct coaching and nurturing. At Ibrox it is his natural ability that shines through.

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Cant see us getting much for him. It is not as if we are in a position of strength regarding bargaining power. Changed days now, we will be a selling club for the foreseeable future.

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4million?????pffff, the boys got talent aye, but get real for fc#s sake, he has a good future ahead of him, it's like fleck"aye he's worth millions"where's he now???at present I would say1. 5. but a players only worth what any clubs want to pay lol

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Haha very good! No need for a reality check 'sad bear', but thanks for the concern. My figure was perhaps a bit much, but do consider the millions spent on 'potential' such as Goodwillie, Hutton, Wilson, DFerguson, Robertson, Fletcher, Brown, Gauld etc, 4 million is not that unrealistic a value when you take inflation into account. Hopefully the current board have more sense and negotiating ability rather than your good self. Who knows, perhaps Mcleod will be the next Mccarthy/ Snodgrass commanding near 8 figures? not so long ago they were in the championship, 4 million will look like a bargain then. Just because we are in a financially precarious position doesn't mean we need to destitute ourselves. look at Dundee United and Hibs, dealing with big money woes yet they held out for value, clearing chunks of debts. Have a nice day Sad Bean

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Unfortunatley i reacon if over 2 million came in for him then iy would be a struggle for us to keep a hold of him

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As sure as your a$$ has a hole in it McLeod will be sold in Jan too fund finances to get too the end of the season!!!!as all is not well behind the scenes. Charlie&Ashley had a meeting ( allegedly)I would ave loved to ave been a fly on the wall during it, no matter what folk&media think, Ashley ain't no saviour, just sees the opportunity for a fast buck&after all image rites

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11 Nov 2014 18:58:21
As has already been said, a player is only worth what another team is willing to pay for him. Do you honestly think someone is going to pay 4M for a young player who has not been tested at the top level and is playing in the Championship?

I know many of you won't agree but Gauld is a better player than McLeod, he has played at the top level in Scotland and he went for 2-3M.

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{Ed039's Note - Gauld is a much better player but a completely different type of player)

11 Nov 2014 19:28:27
RE @ Ed - I agree that he is a different type of player but it does not detract from my point. If anything it reinforces it because attacking players usually go for more. ;)

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{Ed039's Note - I think you may see that I did actually agree with you)

11 Nov 2014 22:21:43
I know. :D

I just have a way of speaking that makes it look like I disagree with people :S

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