Rangers Banter Archive October 09 2012

 

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09 Oct 2012 21:49:22
All of a sudden the east end mob are subscribers to an american business magazine

some well outdated comments from a guy that was associated with a guy and the timmys go into overdrive again, its jelly and cream on yer faces all over again ya mugs

JG

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Malcolm Murray: We have already secured significant investment in the club from the individuals and organisations who are part of our consortium and the successful IPO later this month will generate many millions in additional revenue.

Has he been quoted correctly here?

Successful IPO later this month?

BARNEY BEAR

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Murray comment that return to administration not possible if laughable....

the share offer has to state risks, administration is a risk... will they state this as legally required to do.... or say its not a risk...??


LOL

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Actuall JG I've just read the article and it was quite good - obviously the sceptics either didn't read it properly or failed interpretation at school because it doesn't say Rangers are doomed to fail, basically it says don't spend more than you earn, hardly high flying economics.
But some of the information was interesting if correct - do we really have 43 employees with free cars, private health insurance and golden pension plans? If so I want in.
JMG

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Jelly and ice cream on our face again?
Have i just imagined the last 8 months?

Joeshmo1888

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Well if yous can't start winning soon then more would stop going and I think as long as your old mentality is around and running your club you will not go far. I have said it all along I don't think you will win div3 and if you don't win to move up I can see yous being over this time next year. This is just an opinion and not hate or Celtic vs the rangers. Sucks that the greatest derby match in the has ended because of selfish ppl at your old club, I just hope we get to see one this year before and if yous go bust.

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Interpretation not a problem matey. Weve interpreted this bang on all along as you now know from your own interpretation skills. Your manager is vastly overpaid and this will be reflected all the way down. The MURRAY park set up belongs to another, now bankrupt, operation. The players need company cars just to get to training., for all the good it does, and those costs are unsustainable. When suppliers deal with the company you support they will be very careful ,given past performance, and cash flow problems could easily result. Companies like this are by their nature risky entreprises and often fold quickly and have their remaining assets stripped cheaply.

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You have every reason to believe administration is possible ... in that in ally WE trust

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The article from Millers mob is ridiculous, they have not seen financials for months. They say costs have to be reduced, Dah!

Well they have, the wages from £30 m to £6m. Season tickets sales, in house merchandising. If there was a £10 m shortfall , and £24m saving in wages, then we are quids in.

This is just sour grapes, pure and simple.

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8) - but they did see the financials, even if months ago, and you have not. You just speculating.

If you quids in , why the rush to bring in million from fans. Season ticket money is in (oh at a 30% discount), facts facts facts

Why do they need millions now.... as you say. But they do, cos there is £10 million hole in the accounts, even with the savings.

No succesful cup run, to bring in a crowd and fill stadium, you put out remember.

Small crowds away, so no sponsorship money, no big signings or sales....

sour grapes, face facts. Avoiding another administration will take someone to put in £10 million, each year... over and above season tickets and fan sales ....who ? {Ed001's Note - how do you know it would take £10m? Quite clearly you don't. You are basing it on an assumption based on old figures. Until you have access to the accounts, anything you say is complete and utter guesswork.}

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@8 Has anyone seen 'the financials for
months'

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I'm sure a year ago we were being told that there was no chance Rangers would go into administration....

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@8. I haven't seen any figures, but just because the wage bill is lower does not mean everything rosie.
Sure costs have been cut from the wage bill, but so have season ticket prices and earning potential. Reduced prize money for div3, no Europe, lower TV money and advertising from fewer televised games.
Still paying SPL wages, high earners out on loan (what percentage of wages are Sevco still paying).
Al

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There was a £10 million shortfall with SPL income (TV deal, higher ticket prices, sponsorship etc.). Rangers should be reasonably secure IMO but quids in they are not.

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People who are desperate to believe will believe in the desperate-- old chinese
proverb

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09 Oct 2012 21:20:33
Ally has the worst mangerial record ever and we are plying our worst standard of football. AFTER A YEAR. We are constantly embarrased by his deflect the blame statements and angered by his denial of a problem with his reaction to the awful away results and QOS. No tactical skills No motivation and No dressing room control. Why is he still in charge? Money simple. Read reports today that all management/executives positions protected from downsizing after the TUPE... we wont move forward until new coaches and manager come in.... george

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Is McCoist really on £1M a year?
JMG

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Jmg i got shot down when i said he was , easiest thing is to ring parkheid they seem to know more about gers than we do doug t.s.o

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@1. Yes. Thats what its all about. Talk about asset stripping.

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09 Oct 2012 20:50:57
Help please . I'm at a pub quiz and stuck on a question . Who scored for Stirling Albion at the weekend . (A. The Butcher (B. The Baker (C. The Candlestick Maker (D. The Best Man ?........DH

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It was the manager ,he was on honeymoon lol doug t.s.o

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I think it was the butcher or am i getting mixed up the butcher that scored for celtic at parkhead against them ...nice one terry ....

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09 Oct 2012 19:18:17
McCoist- OUT Mixu Patalaeiian- IN Spud Grant

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09 Oct 2012 18:59:55
AURORA BOREALIS

Evening ex bears, did you all see the
spectacular natural light show all over
Scotland last night. BBC Scotland did
a 5 minute feature on these fantastic
Green lights.
Just goes to prove GOD is a Celtic fan
and happy to show everyone his colours...
LOL Timalloy

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Hey timalloy, there probably is no god, now relax and enjoy your life. But thats a whole different argument! SG

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Sorry timmalloy I thought the opposite last night the sky was a bright burning orange a turned and said to the wife everything's gonnae be fine at rangers. She says how you get that. A said gods sent me a sign he lit the sky orange she said shut up you dafty that's them burning the excess gas at mossmorran. Oh a said and fell asleep feeling as miserable as a had all weekend. Then a phoned her up the day and said he's sent me another sign. She says what's it this time a say the sky's been blue for two days she says shut up ya dafty. A say a well he still hates the Celtic. She says how you get that a says the grass is still covered in Sh,t. She says aye a guess your right then lol

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Green is also the colour of bogies. Does that mean God is up my nose?

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Yes green is for go ,im a red light jumper i think the O.P is the bogey man lol doug t.s.o

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There is no god but If there was he wouldnt have his team in div 3 now would he ?

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The green lights were a sign charlie chuckels share issue is gona be a success,jebus told told me so,garlar07

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09 Oct 2012 17:27:03
McCoist competions 2011/12

Champions leauge-FAIL
Euorpa leauge-FAIL
Spl-Fail
Scottish cup-FAIL
Leauge cup-Fail

2012/13

Ramsden cup-FAIL

ED please back me up mate but he has to go down as one of the worse managers? {Ed001's Note - as a neutral, not having any attachment to him as a legend of the club (which he clearly was as a player), I would have to say he is a terrible manager.}

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Champs league/ europa league, assume the fact he never qualified is the problem, or would a pass have been only to win respective tournament?

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1st club as manager liquidated 2nd struggling in 3rd ... just two points you missed

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He was a scheite player at sunderland.

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09 Oct 2012 17:23:20
Just seen on the news, some guy said we could go bust again, im sick of this , SORRY as much as i love rangers ive been through enough in the last year with them, im officailly just going to follow english football, cause scotttish football is just one huge joke

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It's not Scottish football that's a joke it's the club formerly known as rangers that were

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Aye and who made scottish football a big joke.I'll allow you one guess.

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Binman says

Choose your words a bit more carefully

Rangers are a joke

SPL is doing ok without you lot - Celtic are positivley thriving

It was not anything to do with the rest of Scottish football that Rangers went t1ts up - totally self inflicted wounds, with a whole stack of consequences still to hit you,

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Dave King said liquidation was unavoidable and a certainty. Charles Green told us he done a deal with HMRC and a CVA was agreed!
Dave King after meeting Chico said rangers needs a benevolent wealthy multi millionaire to push money into the club for 3-5 years to keep it afloat. Chico told King he will run it as a profitable business.

I THINK FORBES MAGAZINE IS RIGHT. I THINK GREEN IS UP TO SOMETHING.

Green tells lies.

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Think it is only your club that is being the joke with all that it has done and what green and ally say whenever they open thier mouths. Scottish football is in a new era and will hopefully start and really has stated to rise. Celtic are doing thier best to promote the spl and Scottish football, we need all fans and mostly media to talk the game up instead of putting a negative spin and staying with the old media habbits.

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Scottish footbal is a joke because yous can go bust again ? dont flatter yourself ... fuzzy

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Http://www.forbes.com/sites/sportsmoney/2012/10/08/what-can-we-learn-from-the-financial-meltdown-of-glasgow-rangers-fc/

This is the world's top business magazine. Are these guys wrong? Or is Green pulling the Yorkshire wool? Shares and walk? {Ed001's Note - have you actually read it? It is based on out of date figures.}

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Celtic are only above the water due to c/l money, and their debts are serviced because they are seen as good for overdraft so to speak. So where does that leave us? No c/l money and certainly not good for it with overdraft! I suspect there could well be hidden costs that will run up without long term investment, and that's where Green will turn to us. It's his timing that concerns me, will he back us into a corner with no choice? I hope not.

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Poster yes thriving that much liewell cant even afford to give lennon bluetooth or a hands free kit for his audi q7 ,think us gers fans will chip in for bluetooth for lennons audi ,yes for agree no for disagree ,ps.whos going to pay his fine ,the stallholders at the briggait lol lol doug t.s.o

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Ed, it maybe out of date figures but it doesnt derive from the fact that Miller, at best thinks the club needs bankrolled and isnt sufficient. what youve then got also to consider is season ticket revenue is substantially down, no signficant prize money (SPL is £3m) and Green has levied a £9m loan against the club. {Ed001's Note - no you have not, his figures were utterly wrong and his article is about as useful as a chocolate tea pot. Miller has no access to current financial figures, he has no knowledge of the current outgoings and incomings. Anything he says is pure opinion based on those old figures, which are out of date and irrelevant. The club might not be in a position to function on its current income, but that is not something you can find out from reading this particular article.}

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@8. Celtic finances are run to reflect the income of the business. The current account overdraft is in the best interests of the business. The business is doing rather well, dont you think ?

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How do you know murrey isnt an investor with all the knowledge and why would his advisers be advising him on it ??

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@11 I did say Celtic were good for overdraft! Maybe you are just overdaft!
You don't need to be so paranoid!

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09 Oct 2012 17:00:14
Bill Millers advisers saying that the reincarnation of Rangers, The Rangers / Sevco could go bust again. Interesting times, the Yank took an indepth look at the possibility of taking on the Ibrox franchise and walked away.
A man with pedigree in business. Chico must be an optimist, either that or its a smash and grab jobfor ticketus.

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Bomber told us Green told him something that would drive us all angry and crazy.
Bomber went public stating Green needs to show us title deeds.

Bomber now needs to come out and tell us the whole truth before we buy these shares.

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Why is Ticketus not chasing Whyte in the courts for their £22.6m?
No court papers issued, no court cases pending. Wake up! Wake up!
Ticketus are not chasing Whyte.

But we were told forget about Ticketus they're chasing Whyte. More lies for the gullible.

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Ticketus said they were wanting to be part of every consortia that put forward a cva, it was met by sceptism, low and behold green comes out of no where with no apparent wealth, false promises and an eagnerness to acquire the stadium and training ground (not the club, a sucessful cva would have saved the club but would have cost more) so at a discount price.
i cant beleive what is happening before our eyes

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Maybe Ticketus take the attitude 'It's only money'.

Or maybe not eh?

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09 Oct 2012 14:54:42
Owen Coyle out of a job ... ?

We could do a lot worse!

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LOL,get real Coyle would not pish on you

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Dont think he could though.

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@1 good to see you have an unbiased and constructive opinion.

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Coyle never Super Ali will come good I hope.........pray

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Does Hans Christian andersen post on here ?

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Wot u on replace a crap manager with a crap manager who's just been sacked....get real

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09 Oct 2012 14:17:11
How long does ally have left?

Right as a celtic fan we were on the same boat round about this time last year until it went to 3-3 at killie. The league doesn't end tomorrow so I think Mccosit will get to the end of the season before anything happens to his job.

The problem is ally had August to buy a team that he and his back room staff believed that would win spl3 as a result he bought a few players from the spl with spl wages. Now the problem seems that players are moaning about the state of other clubs in div 3, basicly showing them no respect to the ground and facilities provided by the away teams. As rangers have 'spl' players their paying spl wages and as that their training full time unlike most if not all div 3 teams they should be doing a lot better than they are just now.

This then questions ally Mccosit transfers and team tactics . He got training from a manager who has took them to a ufea cup final (ok 5 defenders at the back but still done it) won the league however many times etc etc. Mccosit got away with murder last year in the spl I remember the posts on here about we can take a - 10 points and still wrap up the league for Xmas etc.

That's how I give Mccosit till the end of this season. He must be questioning his own ability as a manager if he can't win that league, Mccosit only get out will be that green needs the fans and their money. No Mccosit then no fans... Unless the fans turn on the manager then green will play the whatever the fans want card

Lenny

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The plan is to have Ally as the last man holding the can when Green and Imran walk in November. Share money in their pockets, legally above board as owners. Don't need to reinvest money.
Green pits in a new CEO into an unsustainable business which folds in new year.

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Murray and his directors walked leaving Ally.
Whyte and his Directors walked leaving Ally.
Green, Imran and his Directors will walk leaving Ally.

McCoist needs to wise up, not only is he a really bad football manager, he's been played the mug again and again.

Green will never sack Ally. The plan is Ally is there long after Green is gone. Rangers won't last 25 weeks never mind 25 years.

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Binman says

Be fair to Ally

He is the first Rangers manager in recent history to try and manage without a huge government subsidy.

Mind you shows how much of a differance it made.

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There is no way McCoist is involved in the financial skullduggery, if he had the intelligence for that he would be able to read a game of football after 30+ years, but he is assisting them by staying when he knows hes not good enough, a real Rangers man would walk away, we are serious trouble and cant afford any passengers even if they are ex club legends. Do the right thing Ally before you are hated by those who love you.

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09 Oct 2012 14:05:57
The harsh reality is our team may just be good enough to win the 3rd Dvsn so let's not get to ahead of ourselves here.

Ally has a team of 17 year olds with some 2nd rate players mixed in to use each week add to that the expectancy to win each game that still exists with this less than impressive squad. So with the above being true I think we should all sit back and be realistic with what we think should happen on the pitch week in week out.

Disagree if you want but this is the harsh reality......

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Whos fault is that? Sally signed them.Chuckie trot out the 25 years contract Sally must stay

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It's not a team of 17 year olds.
The average age of rangers first eleven is 26.5, the average age of Celtic first eleven is 24.

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Binman says

ffs you have six full internationals and four u21s - and a wage bill more than the rest of the league put together.

40,000+ fans and the most "understanding" referees in Scotland

McCoist is a natural bully - the last thing you would want with the dressing room fragile. He has to stay!

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It should be a team of young guys though, too much foreign muck brought in. No need for them when we should be producing our own players. Guess I will get called racist for that post by the high and mighty mhob.

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09 Oct 2012 13:13:16
Why are we giving McCoist more time? he has had plenty of time he was shockingly bad in the SPL and shows no signs of improvement in div3, his "tactics" are abysmal as are his formations, team selections and substitutions. It is time to face facts he is not a manager and never will be

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Listen mate forget about McCoist read BBC sport regarding Forbes International business magazine. The club's gonna nosedive into liquidation again. The maths doesn't work.

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Blew a 15point lead,knocked out both Euro competions,scottish cup,league cup,scrapes extra time winner v brechin,loses too queen of south stirling albion,drew with annan,peterhead,berwick rangers...His track record speaks for itself...stevo

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It's not BBC it's STV.

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Forbes magazine is on STV website.

The world's top business mag. Read by all international CEOs.

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..@1..looks more to me like Mr pritchitt is the one whos sums dont add up..hes baseing his figures on last year..our wage bill alone is down from around £30 million to around £6 million also all the inhouse service companies david murray had in place to bleed us dry are no longer there...with the share issue to come it looks like we,ll be paying our own way up to the top league...whatever that may be by the time we get there...

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Binmann says

no5) - the guy is a specialist in company turnarounds, he checks out company performance by looking at the big picture - he is so good at it that he is invited to write articles by Forbes magazine - probably the most respected financial journal in the world.
Dont think he would miss on an estimate of current wage bill - probably better informed than your average bear.

He cannot see Rangers as viable year to year - never mind paying back your investors, who most certainly are not in it for the love of the club.

Looks bleak
Looks terminal
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@5: just disregard it. Head back in the sand it is then...

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09 Oct 2012 12:36:29
People should get off Ally McCoist back. Have people forgotten how a number of international players did not have the nerve to play for a club the size of Rangers. As the standard have now dropped to youth and lower level SPL players, this is an even bigger gamble on their ability to handle the presure that comes with playing for the Gers.
Maybe with time some of these players will begin to handle the pressure, and the results will improve, but when you are operating in the bargain basement players market may of them will not.
It does not matter who you are playing if you cannot over come the nerves and pressure that comes with playing for a large club then you will struggle to get results.
Still think we can win the 3rd Division but we will probably require a late run to do so after what is looking like a long winter. Things will improve onxce the players get used to the pressure they are undr and the team become more consistent. However I fear this is months rather than weeks away. {Ed039's Note - I am one of Ally's biggest fans as the legendary striker that he is, and I hate being critical of him, but while he has carried the club as the spokesperson and the pressure that has come with it tremendously well, I believe he has been shown up as a coach/tactician. There are plenty of times this season, while every club we meet are having their cup final against us that we will need a different plan of attack and I dont think the current coaching staff can come up with one. And I again I am sorry for slagging the legend that is Ally but I dont think we would have put up with this sort of management from anybody else for so long)

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Totally agree ed, if we never went into administration last year would ally have survived being manager losing a 15 point lead? I very much doubt it, but not winning 4 sfl3 away matches is worse IMO,

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OP what international players are you talking about? Is it the ones that left because their international career was jeopardised by playing for a Scottish third division team? That isn't nerves.

Pressure, they are the second highest paid squad in Scottish football, surely if it was pressure they would freeze at Ibrox in front of tens of thousands instead of at away games in front of a few thousand. Nonsense excuses.

Gaz

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09 Oct 2012 15:58:49
i am fed up with guys like you telling us to get off ally's back because of, this, that and other reasons.

Ally has been in the job for 18 months now and he is still as bad now as he was when he first took over. He never learns from his mistakes and continues with the same old tactics which are obviously not working.

Also remember we are paying part times here , ranging from plumbers, mechanics and supermarket assistants. These guys train twice a week but still look fitter and sharper than we do yet we are meant to be the full time club.

Our wage bill is around 6 million a year which makes me laugh when i see guys like you trying to defend ally when there is nothing to defend.

Ally has also cost the club around 20 million pounds over the last 18 months by getting us knocked out early in every cup competition we have entered apart from this seasons league cup. He even got us humped out of the Ramsdens cup, a cup we should have win with ease!

I repeat ally is not good enough for the job and should move on gracefully before Mr Green is forced to sack him. Either way the sooner the better!

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"....As the standard have now dropped to youth and lower level SPL players...."

We are playing part time brickies, sparkies and joiners for god sake - our current team should be top of league on full points with a huge goal difference at this point!

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OP, you seem to be forgetting that some of those international players were still there at the start of the season before the transfer window closed and there were problems away from home from the very first game. Also by definition, lower level SPL players should still be better that players from three leagues below. I could go on aout full time, top quality training facilities, etc, etc.
Al

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Gaz,

Shields, Black, Little, Wallace. I know they are playing for poor international teams but they are internationalists.

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@ 6. The OP is talking about guys that DIDN'T have the nerve to play for Rangers, not current squad members I presume.

Gaz

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09 Oct 2012 08:54:49
Take the 1st team squad out in the team bus to a local public park, make them change in the bus, train in the park and straight back on the bus after, do that for a week before an away tie and the players will be glad of the division 3 away facilities and pitches, just a thought.

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A better idea would be to put McCoist on a bus with a one way ticket, I cant beleive people are blaming the players, it is the mangers job to select tactics, formation and the players good enough to win a game of football, McCoist cant do any of those things even against part time opposition, he is only still here because of his record as a player and he knows it, if he was really a Rangers man he would walk.

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08 Oct 2012 23:37:28
I am fearing the worst here guys, Ally is a legend and we needed him when the ship was adrift there a few months ago but now were in safe harbour, we need a manager who is going to win us this league. I think he ony has a few more weeks to turn this ship around or CG will need a new captain. Were taking in water and need to stop the leaks!!
Ger 61

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Will that be with a yo ho and blow the man down?...............green jhedi

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Your not sailors theirs no ships , ffs what you talking about ,to be fair you are being sold down the river lol

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OP What a nonsense post.You first say now
we are in safe harbour ??? Then you say
'were taking in water and need to stop the leeks'.Already the stupidest post of the week.

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@3: is that anti-Welsh? lol

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I have an anchor

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Watch out for the torpedoes and mines. And friendly fire.

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Row , row ,row your boat ,gently down the stream ,ally in the steering room crashing into banks lol

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09 Oct 2012 21:16:46
any port in a storm

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Yep oldco and the titanic i see your connection ...

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08 Oct 2012 23:34:35
right!!!
lets all face it we as a team a rubbish and have been under ally and ian and need someone with knowledge
to take us forward to be an sfl team as ally is a fantasist with not a clue on hope to get so called footballer not got a clue!and all my fellow bears who are deluded and think its going to get better are deluded as well and live in fantasy land as well
fur god sake ally go and get a job somewhere els if you can! he has saved nothing and never once spoken for me walk away and do it soon! good riddance
broken bear in recovery

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08 Oct 2012 17:46:37
What's an acceptable target we should win sfl3 by for ally to keep his job ed? I'd say anything under 25 points and ally should lose his job. {Ed001's Note - I was leaving this for ed039 to answer, as I thought you would prefer a Rangers fan to answer it. With him not being about, I just thought some kind of answer would be better than just leaving the post unanswered over night. So, as a neutral, I would say that Ally would have to win the SFL3, anything less has to be considered as a failure, considering the squad he has at his disposal. Especially when it is remembered that it is the only full time team in the division. The points margin is irrelevant, in my opinion.}

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Agree with the ed here, who cares how many points difference it is, is there a bonus available for winning by a certain amount of points? Only thing that matters is promotion, surely. Too many people get worked up over stupid wee things, still is and always will be just a game. Don t take it so seriously, will do nothing for your health at the end of the day. {Ed039's Note - I completely agree with Ed001 on this one, of course we want to win and win in style, play nice football etc, etc, but at the end of the day progression is what counts, as much as I feel there is enough quality on the playing staff to win games comfortably, I would take a 1-0 just to get through the rough patches just now, but I dont feel that with Ally as manager of the football side we are going to be entertained, but promotion should be achieved)

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He has already done enough to be sacked, we probably will win the league but it will be a hollow victory scraping through against part timers.

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Bet you never thought this way at the start of the season ed0039 how our expectations have dropped in a few months, under ally we will scrape the league under a decent management team we would have it won by Feb. Ally out now.

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Surely football is supposed to be a spectator sport and enjoyable to watch for fans? Otherwise what's the point?

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09 Oct 2012 22:07:45
@4 - what? i have been going to watch rangers for 36 years and yes there have been some ''enjoyable'' moments there has also been very enjoyable, ecstatic, funny, sad, depressing, crazy, happy, headhurting, brilliant, do i need to go on moments

My question to you is how many games do you go to and do you sit on your hands when you go

JG

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If the title race goes into the last 4 games or so I'd say he is on a shoogly peg. Less than ten points would give a number of critics ammo.

Gaz

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