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22 Jan 2017 15:16:58
Was relieved to get the result yesterday, especially getting to see the look on McGees face at the end! But for me there are too many important players not getting pass marks week in week out. Everyone that seem to think MOH is the solution to our problems is deluded, yes the man has ability and pace to burn but his positional sense is awful, he does the damage out wide running at full backs, but I don't know how many times yesterday he just wandered inside got the ball and passed it right back to the same person. For me he only has to look at McKay, he hunts the touch line and look at the space he gets, if MOH did this he could be a real weapon for us but too often he drifts inside and is totally ineffective in there.
Also once again Halliday was poor and I hate to say it but even holt looked lost in the midfield, the wee man Hyndman looks promising but we seriously need someone that is disciplined wnough to sit in front of the back 4 and be comfortable on the ball, Halliday just isn't that! Holpefully rossiter comes back from the dead and gives us that but we cannot rely on a guy with less than 2 games under his belt this season.
And although I love the guy, Wallace really doesn't get the criticism he deserves, he's cost us as many goals as Tav this season, yes that's partly to do with the holding midfielder not doing their job but like yesterday he backs far to far off the man and can't block a simple ball into the box which isn't good enough.
Up top I think that in these games waggy could really be a Boyd for us, I don't think he has the quality to do it in the big games but against these teams he has a knack for coming up with the goods and he is someone that actually gets into the box and has that greedy instinct that a goalscorer needs, he's not the full solution but learning what games to play him and what games to play garner could be the difference between 2nd and 3rd this year
22 Jan 2017 16:32:10
Gm, just a wee point on the ohslloran thing, the way Warburton sets us up the strikers as you saw with miller yday always drop deep it's then up to the wingers to drift inside to take this position (also deep runners from midfield although none of our midfielders do much of this) . This is tactics and it doesn't suit ohsllorans game I was surprised we signed him for this reason as he's a proper winger which doesn't really suit our system.
22 Jan 2017 13:35:51
Warbs should definitely snap up van der vart sure he is 33 but will surley add more flare to our team would be a big plus for us in europe aswell has experience and skill still think we shld invest in a decent striker to help garner and miller though
22 Jan 2017 22:03:00
What's Van Der Vart's favoured position and is he a lefty?
23 Jan 2017 03:10:08
Another attacking midfielder mate proper no 10 n a great left peg! not what we need and certainly not at the cost involved we can't afford these type of players
22 Jan 2017 13:04:35
Van der vaart open to a move to Scotland what do you think bears?
22 Jan 2017 13:34:41
Far to old.
22 Jan 2017 21:38:27
Perfect replacement for Niko short term. 18 month deal would be ideal.
22 Jan 2017 13:00:45
Derby making Anya for sale or loan. Decent acquisition for us bears?
22 Jan 2017 16:40:31
Anya is absolute dug meat, I would burst into tears if we signed that boy
22 Jan 2017 12:55:46
Sign Liam Boyce up right now.
He's scoring for fun and technically very good with both feet.
A Kris Boyd in the making.
22 Jan 2017 13:23:58
Agreed! Exactly what we need, wastes very little.
22 Jan 2017 14:30:05
I think Boyce is a great player but I would doubt a lad from the Falls area of Belfast would be keen on a move to us.
You never know though
22 Jan 2017 16:20:42
Said this in the summer and was shot down for it, the boy could a good buy for us at the minute
22 Jan 2017 16:33:40
Would score more than garner used to playing up top himself n spends most of his time in box, good shout
22 Jan 2017 18:19:26
frazer-thought we might have got past that type of reason of why a player would not play for us
22 Jan 2017 18:48:40
I would take him in a minute
What I mean is - like it or not a lot of people from where he comes from would probably give him grief if he did join us
We would probably get him at a decent cost if he did come
22 Jan 2017 21:20:31
Correct Fraser, other potential targets from a similar background have been warned if they sign for Rangers they can never go home again. How would the likes of this lad deal with that?
22 Jan 2017 21:26:59
Sign moult cracking striker showed that yesterday. Thankless task up front himself put in a shift and scored with a cracking header
23 Jan 2017 10:05:10
He scored a good goal but it was against our defence!
22 Jan 2017 12:24:16
Where was Halliday on build up to goal when Motherwell strolled through the midfield? Where was the Challenge from Wallace to stop the cross? Easy to always blame closest man to the goal scorer for the goal. Short sites fans continue to blame our defence and attack for lack of performance.
Games are won and lost in midfield. Not enough support to defence? We leak goals! Not enough support to attack? We lack goals.
Strikers constantly having to come deep getting dragged out of position. Defenders constantly left exposed.
I have said before and will say again. We've been playing with a championship midfield due to injuries. Loan signings look promising temporary fixes for now and we are still in 2nd.
I firmly believe things will improve when we are at full strength.
22 Jan 2017 13:24:36
Kiernan totally abandoned his man.
22 Jan 2017 14:04:04
Wallace was definitely at fault and was slow to get back on a number of occasions giving away unnecessary free kicks that could have cost us, but I would suggest that on this occasion you are being a bit harsh on Halliday, (and I am generally one that is happy to criticise him) .
Kiernan however was at fault twice, playing one man onside and then losing Moult completely.
Biggest problem with Wallace however is that he is just not leadership material. To be successful we need a leader as captain.
22 Jan 2017 15:33:16
Thought Halliday looked better yesterday but still think he looks knackered last 20 mins of games.
22 Jan 2017 16:38:09
Bigbear keirnan was 6 yards behind rest of back 4 when they tried to play offside then lost his man completely. Keirnan does this most weeks his positional sense is awful he's nowhere near what we need in there
22 Jan 2017 17:51:15
Big bear is spot on certain players are exempt from negative comments big kiernan had been playing but recently has had a few errors and didn't do enough for the goal but Andy Halliday shouldn't be anywhere near the starting 11 he's doing nothing his passing is shocking a can't remember the last time he had a good game for us!
22 Jan 2017 21:29:59
Halliday is the only option to play the DM position as Rositter is currently injured.
Warbs needs to sign a DM player or bring one in on loan this transfer window.
As to why we let Crooks leave on loan is another strange decision due to the fact if Halliday is injured who replaces him?
22 Jan 2017 10:30:22
I know it's boring but I'll say it again. Recall Hardie from loan and play him alongside Miller and give young Burt a run alongside Rossiter (if he is ever going to be fit) .
The Barton and Kranjcar incidents were unfortunate as both would have added class to our midfield. All Warburton seems to do with new signings is either watch them recover from injury or loan them out (e.g. Crooks). It is a sad state of affairs that the two stand-out players right now are aged about 75 between them!
22 Jan 2017 21:39:46
I think Hyndham and Toral are good additions to our squad but we have to sign or bring someone in on loan for DM as we have no cover if Halliday is injured.
We should have kept Crooks rather than loan him to Scunthorpe.
Not sure about Hardie as Waghorn would be a better option to partner Miller if we opted to play 4-3-1-2 with McKay in the number 10 role.
22 Jan 2017 02:11:32
Looks like Stevie May is being shifted this window. Is he not worth a look in, Is he any good anymore lads?
22 Jan 2017 11:37:48
He's always getting injured. Just the mould of player Warbs is looking for.
22 Jan 2017 01:53:56
After today's game, I reckon we don't have any one particular 1st choice set of players except for foddy, hill, mckay and Miller. Read a lot of comments in how waghorn should start, dodoo should get his chance, moh is due a run out etc. But looking at it closer and waghorn and dodoo were awful against teams the come out at us (Celtic, Aberdeen, hearts etc. ) And yet excel against Hamilton, Partick thistle and then Motherwell today when waghorn came on. Imo we have 2 sets of players where games against teams that park behind the ball needs the waghorns and dodoos but against the teams that don't camp behind the ball, players like garner are our best option. Issue is, I don't think Warburton realises this. Lastly, kiernan is truly awful. Can't wait to get rid of the guy as its horror show after horror show with him.
22 Jan 2017 09:38:09
Good post PapaBear. We have a nucleus of players, if utilised correctly, that could give us the basis to move forward.
22 Jan 2017 12:15:06
We do have a nucleus of players but we are way short in the striking department. I am still not convinced MW knows his best eleven. For eighty three minutes it was what we are all used to by now but the last seven minutes we definitely got out of jail. Once more we lost a goal to a bread and butter cross into the box. We need players in the opponents box, too many times yesterday we had nobody posing a threat and the attack petered out. We need an out and out striker for sure.
22 Jan 2017 15:36:31
Yesterday summed keirnan up I thought he was having good game but you're always waiting on that mistake and along it came when he lost mount at goal.
22 Jan 2017 01:25:06
Ok guys, simmer, we got the result but it's the manner of the result that disquiets me.
If Kenny Miller (Warburton is a YOUTH coach) is our only weapon we are in dire trouble. I have watched this kid since he was at HIbs and he has the nature but won't get you 20+ EVERY season fit or not, he's a figure to train the group on professionalism and what it means to be a Ranger, we need not just a striker, as we have a few but a manager who doesn't instill the need for another 6 passes when we have opportunity to score.
Lee Wallace today was back to what he does best, overlapping, linking with Mackie and defending to his best when called upon, midfield? apart from industry they are getting bullied, Josh Windass is a luxury as he doesn't dig in, his pasing is 50/ 50 and his goals to game ratio is. well you check the stats.
Todays players that kept us IN THE GAME were: Halliday - Dig
Hill - Dig
Holt - Dig
Wallace - Dig
BigWes - Nothing to do really, except pick the ball out when the defence switched off. (watch the replay)
Barrie did his job but no one responded, Jesus they must know his game by now?
Toral - good moves but off the pace on decision making and it'll take a game or two to get the speed.
Windass - needs more coaching on what his role is McCall 8/ Gazza 8/ Winger 11?
Overall, we need someone to replace the CDM role with stature, young, African/ French/ Algerian, these guys are out there as every other club shows, Frank McPartland is taking it easy with Liverpool/ Brenford/ Watfrod as is Warburton.
50,000 fans A WEEK are looking to you for progress, please don't con them, if your not up to the job then step aside for someone who is and we will forever respect you, the alternative is what happened t for it, the alternative is what happened to Super Alistair McCoist, I shudder to think that he is still unwelcome at home after the trauma of watching his team disolve under his junior management, at least the English guys can go home, he's a pariah in his own world, shame on us.
22 Jan 2017 04:25:04
A would be a good scout for us lol. bn serious. look at France ligue 2 or players in Dutch league and so on. we keep signing players from England. Croatian league and stuff we should have look at.
22 Jan 2017 09:31:41
Bob Agg, I have to disagree on Holt and Wallace. I don't believe that defensively, Wallace had a good game. He was slow getting back and was dragged far too often into the middle of the defence and he was a contributor because of his positioning for Motherwell's goal. Perhaps if he had someone challenging for that left back position then he would step it up a gear which he is more than capable of doing. One more thing, he is not a leader!
As for Holt, sorry but he provides very little, is too weak and is easily knocked off the ball when in possession. Hyndman showed more in the short time he was on the park than Holt did for the entire 70 odd minutes he was playing.
I agree on Hill, right now he is our only decent quality centre back but he isn't getting any younger!, and although I am one of his biggest critics I would say that Halliday had a decent game although I reckon that he would be a better player if played in his own position, (but it just goes to show that if there is competition for places that certain players can up their game) .
I also thought that Waghorn made an improvement when he came on although that is no disrespect to MOH who had a decent game and I thought that Windass strong running and strength also showed while Toral for his first competitive game got pass marks.
Without Miller at the centre of our attack however we have no one to score goals and the fact that he had to play deep for most of the game, for me emphasises that nothing was coming through to the attack.
Our defence is a real problem however. Neither right back is what would previously be considered as 'Rangers class, take Hill away and we only have the young Raith Rovers guy that we can pin any hope on for the future and while, with the right players along side him, Wallace is a good left back he is not and never will be the strong leader that we need to captain the team. Perhaps he is just too nice a guy and the captain needs to be a 'win at all costs' the of guy.
In the Holding midfield role we need to hope that young Rossiter comes back, proves his ability and stays fit, otherwise we desperately need a new player for that role. So in effect as many have said before, with the exception of goalkeeper we need to replace the spine of the team.
22 Jan 2017 12:33:00
Bob agg don't know what game you were watching mate Wallace helped sell the goal getting dragged out of position, Holt was trulyawful and halliday not much better.
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