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24 Apr 2017 07:38:19
Why was the minutes silence for big Ugo abandoned?

Players looked like they had gathered around centre circle to observe it, and then referee indicated that the game should start.

No excuses about the result yesterday . we were second best in every department.

Pedro got his tactics shockingly wrong . doesn't bode well for next season! Murty's team at Parkhead were better prepared and set out to compete with them.

I hope King is ready to spend the kids inheritance . one evidence of yesterday we need 6 - 8 top quality players . not freebies from lower leagues in England.

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24 Apr 2017 10:03:38
Was king there yesterday?

24 Apr 2017 14:47:04
Surely King will do the sensible thing by his kids.

24 Apr 2017 15:16:29
Stuart64, as far as i'm concerned, the minutes applause/ silence was abandoned because i'm sure certain fans would've sang, booed etc through it

24 Apr 2017 07:28:30
My thoughts on the game yesterday are that it was lost in the first half in midfield. I think most people will agree that this is where these games are won and lost.

Halliday marking nobody in build up to goal and saunters back with his hand raised when the goal goes in. He was also lucky to stay on the park for his outrageous tackle.

People say keeper should have done better? It was a decent finish and curled in. Not the keepers fault.

Penalty for me wasn't and even Griffiths said Tav got the ball first. These decisions DO even themselves out so no point moaning.

Garner getting stick I feel is unfair. He had no service whatsoever and was hooked at halftime.

Hyndman was hopeless without Toral alongside him. Toral I feel offers a bit of calmness in the ball and always finds a pass. We struggled to string 3 passes together for 75% of the game.

We will see a massive improvement on Saturday. So long as Halliday doesn't start in midfield. We have to look at the positives. PC has brought in 2 young boys who apart from the odd bit of nervousness have done really well. Jason Holt and Tav both look like new players under him. Once he's has a transfer window to shape the team himself I believe we will see even more improvement.

Have faith bears. The result as always is hard to take but these hard times make it all the sweeter when things come good.

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24 Apr 2017 10:04:42
Well said BigBear. We have been on a long journey these last five years and are now back in the top flight. We were never seriously going to compete with celtic this season. I was very disappointed in Warburton and Weir but that's gone now.

Pedro can't be criticised - yet - but why did he start yesterday's game with three centre forwards? I don't rate Waghorn or Garner to be honest. We have young Hardie out there on loan all season who has never been given a chance and Dodoo might have done more had he started.

I agree that Tav and Holt look like new players. Other than them, I'd only keep Fod, Wilson, Bates, Beerman and Miller under a new contract for a year. If, and it is a big if, Rossiter is finally fit he and Kranjcar will be like new signings.

Pedro should only be judged next season when he has had a chance to bring in his own men. We've still a chance next week at home to that mob again. It was only 2-0 yesterday, not 6-0! Have faith in the blues.

24 Apr 2017 10:09:42
Clear penalty all day long, humped 2-0, never thought 2-0 could be classed as a humping, but they were miles better, get the money out mr King or be happy to finish 2/ 3rd every season, but at least tell the fans what our aims are next year/

24 Apr 2017 10:15:51
Agree with most of your post apart from Hyndman. He was shifted out to the right for large spells of the game and he's clearly not cut out for that!

23 Apr 2017 22:53:53
Look I dare say most realistic fans expected us to lose but hopefully maybe nick the win! We all wanted us to win obviously but they are the better team regardless of how much you are a rangers fan. That being said I would like to know why the team didn't even show up until the 46th minute the first half was a riot.

Celtic play possession based football and are actually half decent at it so why the hell did we not at any point until the second half press them, we went to hampden and played their game.

Hallidays tackle was a riot lucky not to be off, Roberts had Beerman most of the game but the lad wasn't the worst.

I dunno who will agree but I think the keeper should have saved the penalty given the hand he got to it at least knocked it wide.

Oh and joe garner is a bloody riot total utter liability and selfish too.

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24 Apr 2017 00:10:13
We might actually have performed better in the first half if Halliday had been sent off! At least it would have galvanised the team and with him and Garner on the park it was like playing with ten men! Why on earth did Pedro change a winning team to accommodate this pair of clowns.

Halliday can't even foul someone effectively!

The substation of this pair answers the question why we only started performing in the second half.

24 Apr 2017 06:19:34
His tactics didn't work . was obvious he was hoping to play a containing first half and hopefully go in level at HT. Second half bring on some pace and make them defend deeper. Unfortunately we just don't have the players to do what he hoped. Need to ship out the dead wood and bring in players who can compete. going to take a few quid tho

24 Apr 2017 09:56:41
Yeah that's something I can't really understand, WHY did Caixinha play Halliday? I know Pedro is putting his own mark on things but I thought he would have stuck with basically the same team/ system as the way Murty had gone with, maybe a change up front.

I would love to see us play a certain way in regards to how we set the players out. The players and formation used at Mordor does have the ability to win against that mob, the lads just need to be nailing the system and I hope Caixinha realizes this.
What was Pedro's system? I was working and missed start of match on radio! Please Bears let me know its doing my nut in!

24 Apr 2017 09:58:12
Hallidays tackle was a foul nothing more. Wasn't off the ground, foot wasn't high, studs weren't showing.

Simunovics tackles on wag and McKay were both straight reds. Referee was terrible, two player hand balled it at the same time in the box fs.

Wonder if people will still turn their nose up at guys like naismith Lol!

24 Apr 2017 10:02:04
And that's the problem Kendi I don't mind at all about getting beat off the better team but what I do hate is the manner in which we lose which yesterday for me was an absolute disgrace of a performance from a Rangers team we made them look like Barcelona especially the lego muncher because all we done was sit off them for most of the game especially the 1st half

24 Apr 2017 12:43:05
Halliday (tackle ) if you can call it that? Was worse than browns last week and that was without what happened In the build up last week!
Take your biased specs off cee!
If brown did that to 1 of your players you would want him hung, drawn and quartered! It was a straight red all day long mate your own fans have lambasted the challenge

24 Apr 2017 14:28:53
"Wasn't off the ground, foot wasn't high, studs weren't showing". funny Cee how a tackle that meets all 3 of your requirements just last week had a very much different reaction.

25 Apr 2017 00:54:30
Cee your credibility goes out the window when its not the tackle that's important but the colour of the jersey they wear.

Nobody is talking about Jozos tackle but you, its merely a booking.
By FAR the worst tackle yesterday was Hallidays (your own fans admit that too), and I still think that was a booking.

The ball hit Jozos hand as he was on the ground from behind he didn't even see it coming, so get real on that not even close to a penalty.

Beerman did well for an 18 year old but he knows he was lucky to stay on the park.
For the record the ref actually had a decent game, you can tell nobody was talking about him yesterday.

23 Apr 2017 21:53:06
I'd say today really showed how far behind Celtic we are and how many players need shown the door in the summer. I'd say 2 new centre halfs who can form a strong partnership then Wilson and bates back up so that's kiernen senderos and hill out the door then I'd say a strang holding midfielder and two more midfielders to come alongside rossiter kranjcar and holt then Hyndmen and toral will go back and get rid of Halliday. Then two new quality wingers with mackay and dodo back ups get rid of forrister and ohalleren then I'd say two new centre forwards and get rid of waghorn and garner and give miller 1 year deal who can be used up top or out wide but he will take a step back. So for me that's 9players in 8 plus the two loan players out.

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23 Apr 2017 22:34:58
I thought team looked scared. We only had a go in last 20 mins it was as if keep score down. didn't like look of team when I heard it too many fward players and midfield too lightweight. Just have to hope Pedro learns lesson from this.

23 Apr 2017 23:53:10
Spot on Jaws, I'm sure he will be assessing who he needs and where, we were
far too negative first half, gave them far too much respect.

24 Apr 2017 00:13:41
Deanobear, I can't really disagree but we won't get a lot of cash for those you want out the door and if I could get decent money for him then McKay would be for the off as well.

Problem is that I just don't see anyone wanting Halliday unless Warburton comes calling for his favourite!

We will need a significant investment, even with Pedro's contacts, to get the players we need at the quality required and I do not see that coming from King sadly!

24 Apr 2017 10:11:43
Deanobear and TOMUSA, I agreed we need to invest in new players but as Tom said finances ain't great and to answer your question about selling not just Halliday but players like Forrester O'halloran then Clubs like Bury, Oxford and maybe other SPFL teams will bid and we will possibly have to give the player a cheque for some wage compensation if a player is going from 7k to 3-4k a week. Could also see some players be used in a Fee plus Player Transfers.

I do not want to see us taking huge financial hits on some players. For instance Garner 1.8m. I could see a club offering 500k and that for us right now is far too much of a deficit, I would rather see him go on loan with a Club picking up 80-100% of wages, this type of deal would be by far the best option for us financially! Even McKay, if a Club are interested instead of selling him for something between 500k-1m we should loan with option to buy as we know he has potential and like others at Ibrox have been used abysmally lowering their value!

But in regards to players coming in, due to finances 1 commanding CH with Wilson nxt to him would suffice, having Bates as back up with possibly Hill for one more year. I would like 4 CH's battling for a start and Wilson is a 1st choice, Bates still young but should get some game time nxt season so buy 1 powerful commanding CH with Bates and possibly Hill or another from development or a loan as back up.

We do have Rossiter, Krancjar coming back and Beerman who can play LW with Atayaki RW both these lads should be given a chance yeah it'd be great to go buy a player but even tho these lads are young playing down the wing a tad different physically from a CH or a CM these guys are FAST and from what I've seen from Beerman and been keeping up to date about Atayaki BOTH have tons of ability!

Currently we could have 2 young hungry fast wingers dying ti show everyone what they can do, could be worth 100k or 10m? Roberts at the Tic valued at 12m so you never know give the lads a crack at nxt season! Obviously give Wallace the LB spot as the guy is a good player he's solid and with games and confidence will do a job and again we must buy within our means and imo I want to keep Beerman in squad but i'd take McKay out loan him to Sheffield Utd or something and move Beerman to LW keep Wallace at LB he's been a great servant and I do not want to see him go for peanuts.

All in all we have a few players who at present due to the way they have been played and Coached their value and confidence has nose dived players such as McKay O'halloran Wallace and Holt although even after a short space of time Holt is starting to look like a player again. So point is I do not ever want to see a situation Transfer wise that resembles C. Adam or R. McCormack! Where we sell for £300-£400k only for the players to be going for £6-7-8m!

One more thing Bears, how much did King and the Board tell Caixinha he would have to spend on Transfers come summer. OPINIONS!

23 Apr 2017 21:05:15
I felt tacticaly we setup to defend and then counter attack. We conceeded an early goal and the manager didn't change it until half time when he went 442 and brought on dodoo and mackay. We then seemed to play long ball football. A couple of things
1. Garner offers very little if nothing an empty jersey we need to get rid.
2. Where was jon toral i was at the partick game and he was the motm?
3. Celtic still looked comfortable with 10 men when Dembelle went off the ball didn't get kicked out of play for about 5 minutes take advantage of the extra man!
4. We had a young 18yr old left back and a young defender 21 bates they will both learn from this game and be better for it.
5. We need a midfield inforser midfield is far too lightweight out muscled and made to look like wee boys.
6. We need a goalscorer can't keep relying on a 37yr old - get rid of waghorn and garner
7. Dodoo was coming on to a game why didn't hw start? Why start halliday?
8. There is a gulf in class at the moment and I fully respect the fact that this is not Pedros team he needs time and money to get the right solution. I don't think Brenda will hang around for long after tge treble back to a premiership team in the summer.

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23 Apr 2017 21:41:25
What I don't get is why change a system that was working, kept a clean
Sheet over last three weeks but Toral hyndman holt ran midfield, why in the hell did he not stick to that, where was the pressing game that was working for us, it's as if Pedro decided he did not want to win with warburton team, he did not even looomed bothered after the game laughing and joking with Rodgers, I wonder if he knows how much a defeat to hem hurts us, even if we are shocking.

23 Apr 2017 21:59:35
A bit annoyed the way he acted with Brendan a simple handshake would have been more appropriate

23 Apr 2017 22:41:21
Beebee it's a sure sign that he's doesn't get just how bad that defeat was.

For me the team that ended the game should be the team that starts on Saturday.

Saturday will show us what kind of manager he is if he starts the same way he did today then He's no any better than warbs was. if does this then murty should slap him across the head cause he showed just how too play too the strengths of your poor squad

23 Apr 2017 23:06:12
Bawbag

Yeah looked like he is still employed by them

23 Apr 2017 23:47:26
Surely Bears Caixinha would have been informed at his interview that he would have been guaranteed X amount for Transfers. WHAT! Do we think thus amount is?

He would not have accepted the job unless he had been told the amount was guaranteed and also may have been told that any money raised by Transfers out would be re-invested! Caixinha or any other Manager would not have taken a job they see as a platform to the EPL unless he had the means to do and show what he can do in this capacity.

So long story short how much do we think Caixinha will have to spend?
Also imo I think that including our loans a total of 10 players minimum will leave Ibrox.

23 Apr 2017 23:51:53
think he wil be back in england with winning the treble up here, no way, probably stay to see how he does in the champions league then put out feelers none of the big guns will take him on the back of results up here, might be mid table team

24 Apr 2017 00:16:33
Halliday looked like he was employed by them as well. For a supposed Rangers man he is a total disgrace. No fight whatsoever and very little ability.

24 Apr 2017 09:59:03
hyndman was the worst player on the park and has been for the last 5 games.

23 Apr 2017 20:56:02
wrong team selection today, wrong tactics, (if there was any)
The buck Stops with the Manager, he watched the last Celtic game from the stand, did he not see how effective Murty's tactics were.
I know he's just in the door, but when he said it's just another game, that worried me, that tells me, he does not understand what it means to the fans, let's hope he sorts it out for next week, but I doubt it.

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23 Apr 2017 23:44:41
he knows who to drop next week if he don't he should be shown the door with the other wasters he has had his baptism let's see if he employs any new tactics next week

23 Apr 2017 19:51:26
I have never felt so embarrassed by a Rangers performance against Celtic in over 40 years of watching them. The set up was all wrong and so Pedro has to take a lot of the blame, the players did not seem to know the who to pick up and Kenny spent most of the first half telling players where they should be and who to pick up, a shambles, there are a lot of bears posting on various social media about how poor Beerman was, the kid was left so exposed it was tragic to watch.

We need a strong commanding midfield player in fact 2 please, Dorrans yes he would at least not let that wee ned Brown run the show which was hellish to watch today, midfield needs totally overhauled, Pedro has one hell of a job on his hands and if he didn't know it he does now.

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23 Apr 2017 20:46:38
Pedro will be gone by xmas

23 Apr 2017 20:59:31
Not sure it will be as soon as that but he will need to wise up soon. Made some real howlers today with team selection

23 Apr 2017 21:24:33
Always thought it was a strange appointment of him in the first place but time to judge him will be next season

23 Apr 2017 23:46:25
I don't think anybody 'lets' Brown run the show. its just he is miles better than anything Rangers have or could afford to sign.

23 Apr 2017 20:45:35
I must say that Pedro is a breath of fresh air in terms of manners and conducting himself unlike previous managers when the result didn't go there way like Warburton, O'neil, Lennon etc. just grits his teeth and admit we wernt good enuf and the best team won instead of blaming everyone else but yourselves. I look forward to Pedro getting a few transfer windows and getting his own team together

23 Apr 2017 23:59:56
Boaz, the guy was undefeated in 5 of the last 6 games! we lost against "them" (The best team in Scotland at the moment)! People saying we where going to beat Celtic need a reality check! the load of poor players that Warbs brought in are still poor no matter the manager in charge!

24 Apr 2017 00:22:51
I don't agree Wyllie67, trust me, in my youth he would have been out the game in the first five minutes! The problem is that Warburton brought in a bunch of softies and Halliday in particular, so called Rangers man from Govan, is the biggest coward of the lot. Brown is made to look good in these games because, like the one eyed man in the land of the blind, the plastic hard man comes out on top when he is up against wimps. He wouldn't last two minutes against men like Souness, Roberts, or Hurlock or even Celtic old Boy Brogan!

24 Apr 2017 06:46:28
TOM it doesn't matter what Hurlock, Souness etc would have did to Brown because that's not who he's up against, its Holt, Halliday n Hyndman with a combined weight of abt 300lbs. at the end of the day Brown can only play against whos in front of him and as much as it pains me to say i actually think he's a better footballer than he gets credit for. for months all supporters having bn waxing lyrical abt Hyndman, well Brown showed him yesterday how to control a midfield sadly

24 Apr 2017 09:57:37
We cannot turn into a Club merry go round with Managers! Caixinha MUST be not only given a FULL season but supported instead of us thinking that £5m can top £20m in terms of ability to bring in players PLUS the difference in what both Clubs already have in their squads!

I agree that the Tic DO have players that are hugely overrated and a Manager with a good eye COULD bring in a few low fee players that could smash the SPFL! But unless our Manager is God awful then again we must support him and what he is trying to BUILD.

One hugely important thing is that I hope Caixinha understands excactly what our Club IS! What it means as Warbs didn't and with someone like Weir beside I thought this would have helped but it didn't! This is why my choice for 3rd Coach was Rae but I am well happy JJ got the job as he offers loads to the position and knows the Club I just worry slightly about that side of it and people talk to Caixinha about small things like the way he is after a defeat especially Against Celtic! That's just the way it is and you know Brenda will know not to have a smiley chat with Pedro after a 2-0 defeat.

So JJ or Miller even big Greig have a wee word with our man quietly to one side its one part of the job that's easy to do, a wee bit of advice that has a huge impact on the way we the supporters look at you this must be addressed and surely someone at Ibrox will do this and Caixinha will appreciate it hopefully instead of taking it the wrong way as I think that's the only reason someone would not mention it to him.

23 Apr 2017 19:44:42
halliday shouldn't be allowed anywhere the team he's rotten and tavs still can't defend which is shocking we were terrible in the first half esp against a Celtic team who were rotten last season under deila, three new signings and there running away with everything, there is no way Aberdeen will beat them

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23 Apr 2017 21:58:00
There was no need for Tavernier to go into a tackle he couldn't possible get to. Stonewall penalty and it's a joke he said he got the ball when clearly he didn't. He seems to learn nothing and we need a right back who knows how to defend properly.

23 Apr 2017 23:26:51
Halliday is quite simply not good enough. He never has been and he never will be. He should have been nowhere near the team today. Tavernier is a very poor defender and should never be played at right back. The guy quite simply cannot defend and makes too many mistakes. I have been saying for months this is a bunch of very poor players who accept defeat and are not fit to wear the jersey. Wake up call Pedro. Massive clearout needed.

24 Apr 2017 09:58:47
Yeah Hodson should've been in there and Caixinha should have used same system as Murty a the piggery. Hindsight and all that but Fods should have came for that ball through to Giffiths!

24 Apr 2017 10:00:34
Tavernier is the best right back in the league. Even better than lustig. Back 4 isn't the problem.

23 Apr 2017 19:39:59
todays game just shows how far we are away from competing the team is full of wimps who didn't lay a glove on celtic.

major clear out needed of players to compete with celtic defence midfield and strikers not good enough a hope the board have deep pockets cause this team is in need of major investment.

Very much doubt king will fork any out as he clearly has no funds. an if rumours are true he will no longer be chairman

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23 Apr 2017 19:42:52
What rumours are you referring too?

23 Apr 2017 23:51:14
Major clear outs just don't happen mate, that's not how it works unfortunetly. Senderos n Hill will be off and by abit of luck we might be able to shift 1 or 2 then hopefully bring in 4 or 5 new players but they have to be guys that are better than what we have that can go straight into the first 11

24 Apr 2017 00:29:18
I reckon that we will see a number go. Senderos and Hill will almost certainly be for the off and I believe that we will see interest from England for Kiernan, (strange though it might seem), Garner and McKay.

I reckon Forrester will stay because no one will want him and we will struggle to get rid of Halliday unless his pal Warburton comes in for him.

Still getting rid of those failures opens the door for five or six new players, problem is that they all need to be of a significant better quality than what we have and that means spending money that we don't have!

24 Apr 2017 09:59:53
Would rather see Forrester etc loaned out with Club their at picking up as much of their wage as possible instead of sitting in Stand every week TOMUSA yeah hopfully this will happen and can see these deals being used for 3-4 players as u said I can't see many clubs bidding and if they do then a drop in their wages are on the cards which again will lead to us picking up tab with a pay out so prob better going down the loan route as some of these players may actually come on ti a game and putting themselves in shop window!

23 Apr 2017 19:06:00
As one of the previous posters mentioned, I agree that Caixinha is class, particularly with his post match interview. He acknowledged Scott Brown's dominant performance today and spoke articulately. I reckon if he gets about £20m he could challenge Celtic next season and take Rangers to the next level in their resurgence!

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23 Apr 2017 19:13:39
Aye if Celtic give us a tap of the 20 million

23 Apr 2017 19:42:28
Our club is unfortunately rotten from top to bottom. No money, no opportunity to seek investment while ashley remains in the background and a bunch of no hopers and never will be players wearing our famous blue jersey. Early days but not convinced about our new manager and the stories about mccoist and his contract are simply disgusting. Many more years of playing second or third fiddle i suggest. Not great fellow gers.

23 Apr 2017 19:50:18
Where are we getting that money from?

23 Apr 2017 20:59:38
We don't have any real money all soft loans relying of good will of directors. That can't go on for ever. No sign of an end to this and we will struggle to get any better unless we sort out or deal with ashley in some way. He has money to burn and will sit tight snd starve us out. Very worring time ahead.

 


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