Rangers Rumours Archive April 11 2012

 

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11 Apr 2012 22:15:30
Was down training at murray park on the 4th of april, on the tennents could of being a player competition, and just got an email from andy goram and derek ferguson, saying well done pal your in the final squad and will be playing at Ibrox on the hallowed turf in may, Can't wait dream come true! *ksd*

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If you still own it in may....b

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Hallowed turf and a hollow bank account,what a team

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Seems a good idea as it will be the clubs signing policy for years to come

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Congrats hope it leads to better things

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So the games being held at Celtic Park?

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Well done mate - ignore the ignorami

BFD

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Imagine for a moment that this year Rangers had reached the final of the Europa League as they did a year or two ago. Their world wide fanbase of untold thousands would be prepared to buy tickets buy airline tickets, buy hotel rooms and spend fortunes on booze. Those unable to take time of work or signing on will have only to buy the booze and head for Ibrox for the beamback. I estimate about £65 million. Well they did not quite make it to the final so just send in the money you would have spent and thats £65million to pay of your clubs debts. Holding up little red cards is pathetic. Your club is in trouble don't wait for some Texan or Singaporean to bail you out. Where is the Establishment cash for the Establishment Club. It looks to me that the man in the white raincoat and the trusty Blue knights have scraped together the equivelant of the Flo transfer fee, hardly a sum to be proud of.

If liquidation comes you have let it happen. Hard cash and not red cards will save the day. Nobody with a Rangers heart is doing their bit

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Well done sir

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Well done mate . Fae a celic fan

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Have fun mate and enjoy yoor day

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Deeeccceent mate

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Well done mate, we might need some new players soon so prove your worth, who knows stranger things have happened :D
Don

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I was there on 4th and also got in! What no were u n what position? Who was your coach for the morning session?

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What has your rant got to do with this guy getting to play at ibrox. We, the rangera fans, dont want to give our money to whyte aa he is corrupt, didnt aee celtic fans throwing there money in during their crisis. Part time fans. Half empty stadiums under your last manager. Wanted rid of your current 6months ago

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To the poster a couple up.... Na mate yer on ur own on that one. the money us fans has put in our sinking ship of a cub is unbelievable! Nuff is enuff. liquidation is our only option so lets save money and sanitry for a new rangers. ps sum of us r on the brew and can't afored to help to.
W.a.t.p

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Well done m8 . jst shows ye how obsessed celtic fans are.why should they even need to comment on this

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Well done mate form a celtic fan, have a great day and you never know the way things are going this could be a big trial to give Aunt Sally a squad for next year

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I suppose Celtic fans are commenting because the lad is getting to 'live the dream' so to speak, nothing wrong with that and it's something we can all identify with surely, irrespective of our allegiances?

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I do hope that you have a great day and enjoy your dream but watch your ankles - celtic fan.

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11 Apr 2012 22:13:22
PKF charged 525k from 17th February at Portsmouth, is that not half the amount D&P charged?
Shaking head at fees charged by grim reapers
Nevis

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D&P involved in far more legal cases and SPL/SFL/UEFA/FIFA meetings - this needs legal guidance or rangers just accept all charges, fines and penalties...

so costs will be higher than pompey....

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And it's just gone up now they've found an excuse (SFA rule proposals) to drag the process out further.

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If Rangers are liquidated D&P get nothing, if CVA they get 10p in the £, D&P are not the villians here, they are trying to save our history!

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Your club has a potential debt of 134 million pounds, and you are moaning about administrators fees.
Everyone is suddenly an expert on what administration should or should not cost at the can of worms that is RFC.

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If Rangers are liquidated D&P get nothing?..! You actually believe that. Of course they get paid. They make sure they are first in line.

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Shafted

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D&P make the most money if Rangers stay in administration forever.

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D & p. r the last of the vultures. To clean the carcass. Of any / all. That's left. After years. Of. Assorted shysters. They may b doing a job but their. Actions and time allocation r extremely questionable

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11 Apr 2012 21:58:17
There's a lot of you on here that think the potential changes to the rules are unfair on your team so out of interest what would be fair to you if you go bust and come back as a newco?

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We are happy to accept penalties for the managements poor running of the club, we just find it interesting that the spl want to change the rules now while a club is in the situation, rather than rules put in place prior to us going into administration

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Same for any other newco in any other business. Start with a clean slate.

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I would not say that the new rules are unfair, what is perhaps strange is the timing of these new rules, and the will of the authorities to impose them retrospectively.

As far as punishment is concerned I would say demoted to at least division 1, maybe 3, but no points deduction following us about.

I think that the timing of todays announcement has been designed to cause as much disruption to the administration process as possible, and that it has done. With this delay effectively meaning that RFC will undoubtably finish the season still in administration, and automatically in line for points next season.

Pipeman

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I am Celtic fan . I believe that changing the rules should not be allowed why have them! I know clubs in the past have been saved by them aberdeen to name but a few !
Bare minimum should be in first division or else why bother with rules!
I'm not getting at the tax doggers but to all clubs ! Do you not see the damage to Scottish footballs reputation if rule changes come in to force for corruption

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Yes if we go bust and reform there has to be penalities, I believe that the Majority of fans are complianing about the fact that these changes did not get disscused when any other scottish club went into admin, also i personaly at annoyed at the timing of this as we could have had a new owner today or new how it was going to be, they could have helled this off until we were saved, if theses bidders pull out i will personal be blamming the SPL, Not for the position we are in, but the way they have handled this and have indangered the survival of my club, but i do agree that penalties arte in order, but I hope that UEFA investigate SPL and there condict over this situation and the overall running of Scottish football.

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I think what would be fair would be to go bust and just cease to exist then watch the rest of you flounder through time. Just out of interest is that fair enough for you timothy? That way we pay for our hurrendous crimes against humanity and the rest of you on your high horse can find something else to talk about and something else to make your precious league priofitable and even remotely entertaining.

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To be honest relegation to the 3rd division and no uefa license even if its CVA
Canny honestly think of any court anywhere that would impose financial restrictions for non payment of a fine (for example)

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Whether they are fair or unfair is not the point
The 'rules' & 'punishment' are being determined & changed just to deal with rfc's current position - that is wrong, the same way that it is wrong to go back ten years and retrospectively charge them for tax - when it was apparently ok at the time or someone surely would have picked up on it.
There is an increasing haste to 'deal' with rfc in a manner that appeases certain quarters - all I wil say. Is be careful what you wish for,,,

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If we come back as a newco, I think the correct thing would be to go to div 3. An away trip to east Stirling does not fill me with any delight, but that is my preference. However the spl can't lose Rangers, and they know that, so they come up with punishments that gives them their full ground when we visit, but start with a points deduction, that means we have no contest. That feels like putting the boot In.
It is like being charged for a crime, that when you did it it was legal, and they change the rules to screw you.
I for one will not be in an away ground next year or until sanctions over, they should remember that it might not be a good idea to bite the hand that feeds you. The rangers fans are sick at the mess, we are embarrased, we are angry, but we will not support those clubs that are taking a kick, let's see how they cope when rangers fans boycott them. I would rather give east Stirling my money than most of the spl clubs. Incidentally I do not include Celtic in this group, because these minnows are taking advantage and the geese that lay the golden eggs are going to suffer.

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I'm not sure of the purpose of the current rules -3rd divsion vs docking of points.

I think, as a rule, a newco to the 3rd division is actually fair. No reason to expect more than that.

The docking of points, I think this has a value before a club goes into administration - there should be consequences in viewing this as an "easy" option. Once in administration though, the value has passed.

I've seen some statements from other SPL clubs on restructuring the financial arrangements (30th April) with Rangers and Celtic against. An 11-1 vote is required from the SPL, a non voting Rangers in the 3rd Division will ensure this goes thru at some future point in time.

Maybe that will be good thing, it's not obvious that SKY have much interest in the SPL for the next few years if there are no Old Firm matches to be shown.

So apologies, the question was "What is fair?". Well 3rd division is fair, but I don't think it would be a good result for the SPL from a revenue perspective.

Expect the other SPL clubs to be short sighted on this - they may go thru a few "lean" years as a consequence, no offence to them, but who knows?

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I think demotion to 3rd division and a ban from Europe for three years would be fair

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Just hand Celtic the title for the next 3 years and then there is no point in watching. Funny how they want to cripple us with taking 75 percent tv money off us but want to keep us in the spl to help fill their grounds. No Rangers fan should by a single away ticket.

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I agree with most posts. I don't agree with rule changing during a season, i think if you do go bust and come back as a newco you should go to a lower division with no deductions and as a Celtic fan I don't want you dissapear at all, I love the banter with my pals and would miss derby days as I think most of us honest Celtic fans would too.

Bman

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If Rangers are forced down a newco route, we keep everything, history, branding, assets etc and it's perfectly legal.

Morally, however, no Rangers fan needs to be told that the actions of previous incumbents have been questionable to say the least, so what should be done?
If the new proposals are passed by the other SPL clubs then everyone (with the noteable exception of Celtic) could face armageddon. There are so many SPL clubs either teetering on the brink of insolvency or who could be pushed under if their projected annual revenue is compromised. Why then would they vote for such heavy sanctions when either one could be next? Isn't that a bit like turkeys voting for an earlier Christmas?

If Rangers' punishment was to be 'demoted' from the SPL at the expense of the TV Contract, what then for the SPl clubs? Only Celtic would be in a position to withstand any such loss by being guaranteed a crack at the Champions League and/ or Europa League for at least the next three years.

A fitting punishment should perhaps include some sort of financial penalty but if this is coupled by a excessive points deduction (say 15 points for three seasons) the only beneficiaries are, once again, Celtic as Rangers would no doubt finish above all the other clubs.

If Rangers are not totally hamstrung going forward perhaps the new owners could put forward some sort of compensation proposals to the SPL over a period of time which could be used for the benefit of the clubs and the game, in general. Naturally I'd love to see us in a position where all creditors were paid in full but realistically we al know that won't happen.

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Some of you are acting like spoiled children. You say you you don't want to line the pockets of the other clubs in SPL if the sanctions go ahead, that you want to start in the division 3 and work your way up. Yet also "the SPL is nothing without us". How arrogant is that? You need to take your medicine, suck it up and get on with it. Your club put YOU  in this position, nobody else. You are not the be all and end all, of the SPL, you are an important part of it. If you want a team to support you need to support your league. As without it your just disappear into history as part of a failed national football league.

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Why should any spl fan or leagues below be happy when they live by their means? And rangers do not ?? SIMPLES
Rule changes have happened before but it still stink of rotten wensleydale

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"If you want a team to support you need to support your league"

I don't think anyone has a problem with that, other than the fact that 10 other teams in our 'league' seem to be doing their darndest to 'pile on the woes' with moronically timed rule changes, coupled with an opportunistic attempt to better feather their own self interested nests off the back of a bad situation.

Yeah so fine, no problem supporting our 'league', any chance they could stop kicking us in the meantime!

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It's time people realised what's actually unfair is all the other clubs playing in the lower divisions trying to live within their means while RFC spend money they don't have and do so with the express intention of not paying their bills.

CVAs are just a way of not honouring your commmittments - "Hey pal lend £100" two weeks later you give the guy his £10 back - that's what a CVA is. It blows chunks!

If car sales business in Scotland bought £2.5 million worth of cars sol;d them on for £6 million and then didn't pay the firm who supplied them in the first place the Fraud squad would get involved, yet when it's Jellavic Rangers fans want to know why they don't have the money from Everton!

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It's called Karma! pay back time peeeple.

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I may be wrong, but is there not a time limit the taxman can go back to rertieve any mistakes made?
Rangers (as everyone seems to agree) should be punished under the rules which exist when it was discovered they broke them.
If the SFA/SPL/SFL change these then it has to be voted on by the members. If they agree, under the voting rules, then that is seen as open and honest democracy in action.
It's similar to the comments made about the OF joining the EPL - Turkeys don't vote for Thanksgiving! But, if there was a financial advantage for the large majority then the OF would be allowed in at some level. {Ed001's Note - not for the HMRC as such, they operate under different rules, for anyone else it is 6 years.}

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Can I just point out here that Rangers would not have been in this position should the GLOBAL recession not have crippled our sugar daddy's company & then the EBT situation collided with this I honestly doubt very much we would be looking down both barrels as we are now. Yes we over spent over the years but there was a lot of s**t to hit the fan from unforeseen circumstances was there not?

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It seems to me that there are some in the Scottish Establishment who just want to stick the knife into Rangers and twist it. Sheer vindictiveness. I include SPL, SFA and Scottish Parliament in this. Rangers are a great old club with fantastic tradition so surely everyone should be trying to help them stay in existence and wish for their demise? There is an old saying something like, 'better be nice to people on the way up as you might meet them sometime again on the way down'. Gers will survive and go on to flourish. WATP.

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I will only support a newco if its from the 3rd division.

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The problem is that a newco can buy a share in the SPL from an oldco. This has never happened and there currently are no rules in place for an "insolvency event". So it's not a change in the rules, more like writing rules at this time now, when they may be needed.

For what it's worth, I think they are too lenient. An "insolvency event" should really exclude a newco completely but now there's a smooth way back in to the system, which is surely what fans and competing clubs want (just in case it happens to them too).

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The whole of the SPL benefitted vicariously from Rangers success during the EBT period. Increased Scottish coeficcient. Players we bought from your clubs etc. Not to mention very entertaining games. Therefore all ought to chip in to save RFC!

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The rule changes are being done to keep Rangers in the SPL. Under current rules Rangers are out on Liquidation. It's all to help Rangers.
The second team after Celtic needs to have a shot at European chance and hence 20 points should be deducted.
Last season refs gave Rangers nine points at least so they could win by a point. 10 point deduction isn't enough to make a difference with these referrers and linesmen.

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Away day boycotts are the way ahead, the other 10 seem to be kicking the boot in when we are down, we saw what happened to Dunfermline when Rangers couldnt pay them a measly 83k, they couldnt pay the players wages ffs. The only club in the SPL that could fill their stadium if Rangers fans boycotted it is Celtic.

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I think most Rangers fans are realistic and realise that this is to deter any new owners from creating a newco. What has me and a lot of my Rangers supporting friends incensed is the timing of this, it now holds up the selling process and may even put Rangers out of business as the longer this drags out the less likely we are to make it through without liquidation. Why cant they hold the meeting immediately? Apparantley because of this it looks like the American is going to walk away. The usual with The SPL and SFA completely inadequate in managing a situation.

By all means make a Newco an unattractive proposition but move with haste do not inhibit the process as it helps no-one.

Caolbear

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Can't understand the timing of the announcement to possibly change the rules, although I still think the SPL will backtrack before they actually change the rules, realistically if Rangers turn round and say "we're not happy with 3 seasons of penalties we'll just start in division 3" can you honestly see the other chairmen agreeing to that, reasoning: 1) SKY will not agree to a TV deal with no Old Firm games 2) How do they sell their season tickets at the same price when realistically the league is already won (kid yourselves it would be more competitive)

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The timing of these rule changes tels me the SPL have been advised that liquiidation at RFC is the likeliest outcome.
Rangers could never have realistically started in Div3, the company structure is just too big and costly, and the SPL need RFC for the Sky deal. Its a compromise and a fair one, Rangers could still get 2nd and a European spot with a 10 point deduction.

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I think most Rangers fans are realistic and realise that this is to deter any new owners from creating a newco.
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I WOULD SAY IT WAS THE OPPOSITE, THE OLD RULES HAD RFC STARTING IN DIV 3, CAN'T SEE THAT BEING VERY ATTRACTIVE TO ANY NEW OWNER PLANNING TO LIQUIDATE. I BELIEVE IT GIVES A GREEN LIGHT TO LIQUIDATION.

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Lets get this straight.Other clubs have went into admin BUT not to the extent RFC have.RFC have been allegedly caught defrauding the country,gov and the people of the UK

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I believe that any new co should start at the bottom and try to work their way back up - thats what any other business must do in the same situation. There should be no further points or financial penalty if they are placed in the lowest division - div 3. They are clearly financially disadvantaged by their demotion and should be allowed to compete on a level playing field in that lower division.

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I agree punichments are required for many years of mismanagement at my club.

What I am furious about is the SFA/SPL timing of the issues and the delay between an announcement and the 30th April meeting that is to be held.

IMO this is a tactic to stall any potential CVA and new buyer and stall until we fall past the end of season deadline and can be hit with further sanctions under the old laws.

As for the new laws, this is all a bit fishy to me. As stated above why not changed when other clubs went to wall? Why now? why not wait until the countries most successful club is sorted and agreed a CVA and then introduce the sanctions. (we would even take the penalties then, if fair).

Uefa must then become involved at the fair play rules of competition within a league set up.

Rangers and Celtic have been 1/2 for many years, yet a Celtic director is permitted to sit on a board which will in effect bag them the title for next 2 season and get 3 IAR?

This is all a bit suspicious and needs further investigation.

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Can any Gers fan give me their honest opinion how many fans would turn up at Ibrox( twice) to watch RFC vs East Stirling, and how much would they be willing to pay ?
I fear not may fans are going to watch nigh on Junior football for 3 years.

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Deary me... Its the SPL trying to stall a take over? get real... do you think those looking at takeover havent
already discussed all probables?? ie impact of liquidation yearly outlays based on being dropped into 3rd Div
points deductions etc....im pretty sure this has all been covered in the discussion with the administrators and to
be honest how long has your club been up for sale?? how long have administators been rinsing you for money?
look at the real black and white picture. The SPL arent doing this to halt a takeover... why would they? it has
been brought up as it is something that needs to be addressed... reason? Rangers look like they are going to
liquidate to get out of paying current debts and then reform a new company debt free and the SPL are discussing
Rangers specific scenario where Newco Rangers can stay in SPL with deductions instead of dropping into 3rd
Division.... All the guys complaining that this is unfair need to get a grip of reality... firstly if no changes
applies you will be dropped into 3rd Division(most likely) and will need to win 3rd,2nd 1st and then back into SPL
Would you prefer 3 seasons out of SPL or 15-25 deduction for 2 seasons?
Some of the posters on here are a disgrace... Cant blame others quickly enough... Yet the reality is this is
being discussed due to your club running up debts and trying to negate from making payment to your creditors..
What is unfair is the small businesses who are bankrupt some potentially losing homes and livelihoods due to the
disgusting manner in which your club is trying to avoid paying the money they owe.. Any other Company where they
liquidated or ran up debts and reformed in different name though in principle same company to avoid what they owed
would be chased out of town.... Not Glasgow Rangers, they move the goal posts so they can stay in SPL and your fans
blame the SPL for stopping take over... laughable. The real discussion/vote should be. Should Tax avoiding clubs
be allowed to re-enter the football league straight away... given the fact it is blatantly 100% tax and debt
avoidance.. So look at the real picture. This is being discussed/voted on by all clubs i might add due to rule
ammendments being needed to keep your newco in top flight... If you werent scamming out of paying what you owed
through liquidation and newco formation it wouldnt need to be discussed. Simple. Take off your Rangers goggles and look at the real problem.
Realistic Thistle Supporter.

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Great post above,rules are being changed to ensure rangers stay in the spl if they form a newco,dont understand why rangers fans cant grasp this,i think the reason being the thought of celtic wining the league for the next 3 seasons is a terrible thought,prop more than there team folding,suggest some go and do some research, the new rules are defo a help to rangers.

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11 Apr 2012 21:08:19
Why don't people learn to hold their horses (one shoe)? It's still 50-50 at the moment between CVA and liquidation. You're all gettin way too fired up 'cos obvious septic fans are razzin you up. I think we are still going down the CVA route, just 'cos we can't get what we want now doesn't mean we ain't gonna still gonna get it eventually. The process takes time, realise that!!

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Good call mate, talking sense, good antidote to the septic.......

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Go and read the HMRC website,they are 100% against CVA's

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CVA may work with small companys not with the BIG boys remember you lot screwed alot of people and still have to pay the going rate. ALOT OF THESES PEOPLE DON'T DO WALKING AWAY

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SHOULD go down the liquidation route start in 3rd and work our way up not as if any Scottish Club will be competing in Europe after all they did play under a falsely gained coefficient and as they have been telling us they will have to stand up and take their medicine 10year ban sounds about right for 10 years of cheating including the national team

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RFC & CFC ARE small company's in the great scheme of things FFS.
Your local TESCO or ASDA takes in more money over week with less overheads
WAKEN UP,!

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2day's outcome has been a deliberate & calculated attempt to put us into liquidation - on the very day a preferred bidder was to be announced.
It is a crude attempt to dissuade anyone from buying Rangers.
We must recognise this

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Pay your debts like every other club has to! CVA :( easy way out, tarnished for ever.

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Go and read the HMRC website,they are 100% against CVA's

Yes for NIC and PAYE debts, not for schemes like EBTs, CVA will be announced in due course {Ed001's Note - why did you have to write the pathetic load of rubbish on the end I had to edit out? The likes of you are not needed here, please don't come back, you are a disgusting little piece of filth and you have sickened me.}

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The way I see it everything is taking far too long and the club has been leaking money far too fast. Liquidation is more likely to be forced by procrastination than necessity. Duff & Phelps have dragged their feet since day one! And Craig Whyte chose them because he knew this would happen. He very much wants liquidation, and a pay-off.

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Liquidation is the only realistic way forward, there is too much debt

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Procrastination by the administrators is ludicrous, no administrator on planet earth would get a CVA agreed before the outcome of the BTC, this is a stone wall fact. In the meantime they are trying to prevent your club from being liquidated, it is worth more to the creditors as a going concern.

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Said it before, gonna say it again, where do get your sense of entitlement? you think youre better than everyone else?

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11 Apr 2012 19:15:24
If any other team was near relegation could they not just change their name and stay in the S.P.L. albeit with sanctions. Also can any new club join the S.P.L. with sanctions imposed ???

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Apart from Celtic (who are no doubt leading the revised proposals) all the other SPL clubs should be careful of what they wish for, If Rangers fans boycott away games it'll only be a matter of time before most SPL clubs are facing insolvency.

Without being able to budget for Rangers fans they'll have to make up any shortfall by charging more money to other SPL visiting support. Celtic fans will get fleeced in order to make up the shortfall.

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Let all the honest hard working teams that PAY there TAX and bills, Who also live within there budget do there own thing.
P.S This mess that Rangers are in is there own doing so deal with it the SPL and scottish football will be a better place once its sorted out ONCE AND FOR ALL.

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Rangers fans seam to be doing a lot of boycotting away grounds instead of sorting out their cheating ways it wasn't them that got you in this mess but your desire to dominate Scottish football by your own dishonesty

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Rangers do not pay there bills anyway, so nobody will miss them.so boycott the away games, at least the other teams will make some money on the sales of there tickets

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Lost for words ok sorry just one! Farcical

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You are very much mistaken my Septic friend. Rangers FANS did not cheat anybody - please remember this when you post your sh*te in future.

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How will the other teams make this mysterious money then? Who will they sell the tickets too? There own home fans don't seem to want the ones already on offer that they can't sell.

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To post 1 SPL board below.

Ralph Topping (SPL Chairman), Neil Doncaster (SPL Chief Executive), Eric Riley (Celtic FC), Stephen Thompson (Dundee United FC), Derek Weir (Motherwell FC) and Steven Brown (St Johnstone FC).

i think blaming celtic in this is a bit daft. celtic getting a head start for the next couple of years helps celtic win the league whoop-ti-do. but 3 other members of the board currently sitting 3rd,5th and 6th i think) will benefit a lot more from rangers starting minus 10. the other 10 members of the spl see a belter of a chance (minus our highest paid internationals) to earn an extra 900,000 for finishing second.
be wary of the break away 10 who im guessing are lead by mr thompson

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In answer to the OP, the "new" club would buy the share in the SPL from the old club. Sounds like there is/was a back door open but now the rules will at least ask for something in return before gaining entry (i.e. 10 points).

Airdrie Utd bought Clydebank and Livingston kind of bought Meadowbank. But these clubs were solvent. It's only the "insolvency event" that the rules want to capture.

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Don’t you see this is the old boys club acting on behalf of Rangers, you can’t make it up overspend by 134 million cheat with contracts and all you get is 10 pt deduction and that’s it! Stinks to high heaven and just confirms Scottish football for the joke it is. Anywhere else the would be kicked out no questions asked. SFA SPL and the other money grabbing clubs hang your head in shame

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11 Apr 2012 19:09:03
if we are liquidated then i think we should drop into 3rd div
we could then cut costs by selling big earners and look at youth and Scottish players
We could then make season tickets a bit more realistic in price and pack out Ibrox every other week
At least we would be in a competative league and wouldn't belining the pockets of the SPL teams. They want us in the league for the SKY deal but want to hit us with ridiculous penalties the gang of 10 and Celtic say they don't need us well lets prove it. Without the SKY money the rest of the SPL would soon be in the 3rd Div.
If Rangers new owners do go down the newco route then we should only support Rangers at home and for the reasons already mentioned see how many survive without the Rangers support.
The fans didn't get Rangers in this mess yet the SPL are punishing us...

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..Looks like what most fans i,ve seen commenting say...rather go down to division 3 than line the pockets of the spl in a league we have no chance of winning with our 10 point deduction for two years and probably no europe for 3 years...lets be clear here the fans are in no way to blame for all this...we,ve payed our way..yet we are the ones getting punished...i,ll not be at another game until we are playing on a level field.

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To be fair RANGERS have not played on a level field for 20 odd years ......

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I agree with everything you have said but i would like to pay our bills and support going to div 3.if rangers don,t agree with the spl then its no deal and no sky money and div 3 will be a cert.

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Thats the first thing Isaid to my work mates we should go to the third Division and work our way back up to spl ,to hell with the rest of the spl teams work our way back into Spl while getting back up we would be giveing the lower league teams a bit of pocket money while we make our way up the leagues again, bee how the oyher spl teams survive wiyhout our away support.

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Unbelievable how deluded you are this is about creating a level playing field , because you have always cheated doesnt make it right

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...Your going to have to explain yourself or look like a bitter idiot.

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Rangers after all created this mess by giving themselves an unfair advantage, through their historical remuneration policy, (TTT not withstanding)

why should newco be allowed to carry on that unfair advantage by dumping debts whilst other clubs struggle with theirs?

I'm sure killie would love to dump their 10m debt or dundee utd their 6m or even celtic their 22m debt.



I can see their point, to an extent.

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What you are saying is that it wasn't Rangers who won all those trophies it was SDM and CW, so the they can be wiped from our history, we all bragged to our opponents about winning the trophies, so as the say live by the sword, die by the sword. We can't expect the SPL, SFA and the other clubs well come us with open arms for bringing the Scottish game in to a sate of disrepute.

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The spl are not punishing the fans - although they are being lenient they are punishing the club. Liquidation means 'poof' and newco should apply to start in the bottom league.
the integrity of the game in scotland is at stake and is more important than rfc or newco.

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Does anyone really think ibrox would be packed out everyweek for games against 3rd division sides, , rangers cant fill ibrox for spl or european games wake up,

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O well we all got shot down in flames when we told you that Admin was on the way, we also got shot down when we told you watch out for the WHTYE KNIGHT, Trust us now you's WILL be LIQUIDATED so stop moaning and get over.

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Aye then we lose our 140 year history when we can just get a cva

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CVA stop dreaming you muppet, Some of the smaller companys you's still have to pay may take 10p or 20p in the £1
I.E ( the local paper shop, the local taxi company, or even the facepainter) but HMRC will not be MOVED, THEY DON'T DO WALKING AWAY.....

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Liquidation is the only viable option left to us if these sanctions are given the green light. As has been said, the other clubs are making it difficult for rangers purely to line their own nests. With the points deductions and financial penalties, european exclusion there is no real point to remaining in the SPL. We should start at the bottom, work our way back and say to hell with the SPL and their regs.

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If we become a newco we would be better ditching Scottish football and starting at the very bottom of the English leagues. Makes more economic sense longer term.

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Why would you want to preserve 140 year history when the last twenty odd have been tainted by cheating !!

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Why all the comments bad mouthing all the SPL clubs? its Rangers who where cheating for the last 15 years no-one else!

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I'd gladly go n see RFC in the lower divisions even with a CVA. Let all those who say they don't need Rangers prove it!! We would serve our punishment bring on the youth and serve the european sanctions. Lower clubs would gain some income and Rangers would then join a poorer SPL on the way up while the others would be cutting costs. Rather this than a newco even though it would seem that we are being assisted by TPTB to transfer the club as an asset thus retaining the history. Rangers will never die! A True Scottish Institution. WATP.

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Ok let's get some perspective, I am a life long rangers fan/ season ticket holder for over 25 years. Ther can be no doubt rangers created this mess all on there own, I believe we should pay all debts in full and take all the sanctions / punishment that we are due, however to coin a phrase you can't take the trousers off a bare arse, if we don't have it you can't get if.
But honestly all this sanctimonious claptrap I am reading is really doing my head in, I don't think there can be any doubt that there are a few agendas involved where Rangers are concerned.
As much as it pains me I can only see this ending one way, liquidation if that is the case I honestly feel we should start again as a newco in the 3rd division that is only fair, but for heaven sake can some of the people who post on here at least be honest and stop hiding behind false sentiment and admit they wish the demise of rangers for the very reasons they post on hear in first place.
I apologise if this comes across as a bit of a rant , but I am completely brasses off with this whole situation.

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Seriously?? we are being punished!? These rules are being implemented to allow a newco to stay in the SPL......some people are seriously deluded....this saves us from applying to the SFL for pete's sake!

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They may allow a newco to be in the SPL - fair enough, but at what cost. Rangers will be lucky if they finish in the top half by the time all the sanctions are put in place (points and financial). There will be absolutely no point being there except to line the other clubs coffers - while we continue to suffer for years to come.

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Errrrr if the rest of the SPL would end up in the 3rd division, where are all the current 3rd division teams going to be?

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The HMRC CVA deal is done and dusted for any potential big tax case loss. You cant, however, do a CVA on PAYE and NI.

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They may allow a newco to be in the SPL - fair enough, but at what cost. Rangers will be lucky if they finish in the top half by the time all the sanctions are put in place (points and financial). There will be absolutely no point being there except to line the other clubs coffers - while we continue to suffer for years to come.

You could give Rangers and Celtic a 25 point decuction every season, they would still finish 1st and 2nd in that league.

WAKE UP FELLOW FANS

SPL IS PUB LEVEL.

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Why not the SPL? Yes, other clubs benefit from their share of Rangers fans gate receips and better TV money. On the other hand, Rangers benefit from these too.

In SFL3, Sky wouldn't be much interested in Rangers vs Montrose or Rangers vs E Stirling and neither would the fans, surely?

(Boom time for clubs used to gates of 300 though)

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Rangers will be lucky if they finish in the top half by the time all the sanctions are put in place (points and financial). There will be absolutely no point being there except to line the other clubs coffers - while we continue to suffer for years to come.
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Do you not accept that Ranges must be penalised for liquidation, and is 2 years coming second to Celtic and 3 years of fines really that bad, considering the alternatives.

I agree with the fan who said Ibrox would be empty in Divs 3-2-1, its structure is simply too big to down-size for these lower divisions, it would just go bust again.

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All,
Just to let you know the ST and gate prices for SFL Div 3, we ain't going to be able to have cup winning players at these prices?

General Admission:

Adults: £10 Concessions £5
Covers admission to covered seating area and open/covered terracing.

For hospitality and sponsorship packages please visit our commercial section.

Adult Season Ticket 2011/12

Covers 18 SFL Division 3 fixtures, pre-season friendlies, East of Scotland League fixtures and any end-of-season Play-offs. Price: £140.00


Concession Season Ticket 2011/12

Covers 18 SFL Division 3 fixtures, pre-season friendlies, East of Scotland League fixtures and any end-of-season Play off's. Concessionary Season Tickets are available at a reduced price of £70 for senior citizens, students and unemployed fans. Fans who are registered as Disabled will receive a complimentary ticket. Price: £70.00

Youth Season Ticket 2011/12

Covers 18 SFL Division 3 fixtures, pre-season friendlies, East of Scotland League fixtures and any end-of-season Play-offs. Available to young fans aged 13 to 16. Price: £30.00

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I've listened to all aspects of the current financial plight of our beloved club.

Point 1. - If the so called administrators thought for 1 second that a CVA could be agreed there would have been an announcement on the preferred bidder yesterday (11/04/2012).

Point 2 - A 'New Co' is the only way forward, Lower league football is where we should be next season, now if that is Scottish Division 3 so be it, the more attractive move would be english league 2.
3 years to return to the SPL or as it will be known by then the JOKE League or 5-6 years to get into the English Premiership.
The long term financial rewards out weigh the short term.

Lets Face it Scottish Football is DEAD - the only asset that the SPL has is the OLD FIRM. Without that FIXTURE the SKY deal will also OK.

Nobody wants to say it but maybe Liquidation will be the best thing that happens to both Rangers and Scottish Football.

When theirs no big money deals for players clubs will be forced to invest in home grown talent now that can only be a good thing.

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Can I ask all these people that think rangers should go to the third div and let the rest of the spl rot ! Tell me how rangers will be able to upkeep Ibrox and Murray Park living in div 3

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11 Apr 2012 18:43:52
In light of today's news, would you consider an away boycott?

Obviously up to the individuals and RSCs, is this the way to hurt clubs who wish us harm?...jsm

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Get real...hurt other clubs your glory club is already hurting other clubs by not paying them, so what help have you gave them this season. and if you have any brains,use them you cant survive with 50,000 every two weeks now with odd money coming from away games. but you want to go ahead with the money you get every second week.......b

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If those rules get pass your club has got out of jail spl are a joke you should be hammered

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You have got to be kidding..you do that and you will tarnish your clubs all ready tainted reputation. Like to see it happen..lol

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I thought youse were having a home boycott.

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Sorry to have to say this but its rangers who have been cheating not the other clubs in the spl.

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Celtic fans boycotted their home games earlier in the season when things were tough, they suddenly reappeared when they started winning games again....funny that.

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Let's also boycott the Cladded Tin Shed in the Eastend and only offer their supporters the corner of the Govan Stand reserved for all other visiting clubs.

We can also charge them whatever value we see fit and/ or offer the tickets to our own support if they don't take up their allocation.

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Lol, i notice its mostly the dhims that are against a boycott. wakening up lads and smelling the coffee.

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Big "YES" i would boycott all away games let the rest suffer why not they letting us suffer so why not them haha

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OK so your going to boycott all away games? basically your going to stop supporting your team because whatever shoestring squad you manage to field next year is going to be so super strong it's not going to need any support behind it. get real! you turn up at away games not to be benevolent and give money to the little teams you turn up to support YOUR team. believe me you have already punished every team in the SPL by forever tainting it with your tax dodging, overspending cheating ways.

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To get any such changes voted for would require an 11-1 decision, don't be fooled into thinking club in the spl hates us we do have some friends. The self serving people who wnt this will be shown to be in the minority when it comes to voting on this.
Then we will truly see where clubs pin there colours.

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Clubs who wish u harm what a shower of rats, ur club has f..... up scottish football u deserve EVERYTHING THATS COMING

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The cladded tin shed, at least its looked after ,take about 4 mill to sort matchbox central down govan way. ya debt ridden fud

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Wish to hurt you, no one wishes to hurt you, that is just paranoid delusion kicking in, your problems are your problems and you just want to blame everyone else

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The SPL brings in rule changes that will enable a liquidated Rangers to stay in the SPL ,and fans are moaning about the SPL ?

What planet are you people on, do you think a liquidated Rangers should be permitted to stay in the SPL with no penalties whatsoever ?

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I attend every match on my local RSC and we agree a total boycott is required.

This will hit them where it hurts.

For the poster who rambled on about money every 2 weeks, do you know the rules of the game.

The only way an away team gets cash at an away match is the Scottish Cup when the gate is split.

Sky and ESPN would love a boycott, because how many ebars would then be upgrading the telly boxes to watch the games.

Business within the local RSC areas would benefit as we would buy cargo and/or go to the pub to watch.

So we would be giving to our own and not the clubs who wish to put us out the game!

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When are Rangers supporters going to wake up and realise that Rangers current situation is entirely of its own making.
No-one forced Rangers to stop paying its dues. No-one forced Rangers to spend money it didn't have. No-one forced Rangers into a position where it had to go into administration.
All this talk of hitting other clubs where it hurts is moronic.
Rangers caused this. The damage is self-inflicted but you want other clubs to pay for it.
Unbelievable.

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You havent been paying away teams their ticket money for a number of weeks now! technically the boycott started then!

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OK, someone needs to explain this in simple terms. How can 'not going to games' ever benefit Rangers? 'not going to games' is what most people in Scotland already do!

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11 Apr 2012 18:33:01
Rangers if they have any honor left should resign IMMEDIATELY from SPL and drop into SFL. If we do have to fulfill our fixtures any so called fan who goes to away game is a disgrace to our club.

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This has got heehaw to do with the fans and all to do with the arses in charge

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This is the only time in my 36 years on this earth I am ashamed to call myself a Rangers fan. It's not only sceptic fans that are laughing at us, I work with a Motherwell fan, 2 Hibees and a f###ing Blackburn fan. I have been taking absolute pelters for days now about us not paying our way. It's a bad day when even fans of English clubs are looking down their noses at us. GTID (or when they die) :-(

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Why? we are in wrong, we are weak just now and every other club is going to make sure that we pay for it for years to come.

don't blame them, blame our current custodian and previous regime that put us in the grubber.

jack-o

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I totally agree also pay back every penny you owe and accept retrospective punishment for the dual contract scandal

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"If Rangers have any honour". You have a cheek! Rangers have honour because we are a club which where built and supported since 1872 by men with honour - the people who don't have honour are the HANDFUL who have brought our club to its knees recently. Pursue them , bring them to whatever justice you feel fit but don't tar the club and its supporters, players past and present with that type of comment.

Gers1986

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To the guy who feels ashamed...bye bye you wont be missed.

RANGERS TILL I DIE

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Ashamed to be a rangers fan you are never a rangers fan jog on timmy who are you trying to kid

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I see another bear again dissing a guy for speaking his feelings. Get a grip of your self. You jog on, we don't need wee neds like you on here.Not everyone that can see the big picture is a timmy. Grow up and you might see it. there are some amount of kn*bs on here and sadly they aren't all timmy.

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I am a rangers fan and have been since I was born I am going to go to every game during the split to SUPPORT my team and yous are going to boycott them if any one is the disgrace it's you mate

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It's down to the individual if they want to go a match or if they want to boycott , and the other guys right too not everybody who speaks the truth or offers an opinion you don't like is a timmy

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To Gers1986:
you claim Rangers have honour and built by men with honour. The same men who for almost all your history would not sign a Roman Catholic? For 1st 120 years Rangers ran a bigoted policy and for last 20 years have been cheats. Honour? don't make me laugh.

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Never had any.
Why do you think you are in this position. Reputation of Scottish football tarnished forever.

Thankyou Establishment for the destruction!

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We as a leading club and world renound for their history, they have helped with the debts owed by other clubs to their debitors buying players from them. They have kept many clubs solvent and away from liquidation for a long time. The people voting for change in the rules should compare themself as turkeys voting for a early Christmas.The standard of the in charge inmates of all these clubs are realy voteing for insolvency in their own future. What IS YOUR OPINION OF THE PROPOSALS OF THE SANITY. INSANE VOTE YES SANE VOTE NO.

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11 Apr 2012 17:40:21
Surely today's announcement from D&P shows that all bidders seeking to be 'preferred' are planning on at least a partial form of liquidation and starting a newco. Why else would the SFA announcement have any implications for the D&P naming their preferred bidders?
Are the bidders put off by perhaps beginning the next couple of seasons with a big points deduction?
Any thoughts?

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TBH m8 I think Duff and Duffer have been looking for any reason to delay again and again and again. I find it hard to believe the Duff pair, Whyte, Ellis and co are not in this together, playing the good guy bad guy act. Strange how they all seem to be making a profit from our situation. And for Ellis to have MR Hughes in our directors box ? I fear for our club as we are in the grip of shysters.

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Its all been smoke and mirrors for decades with Murray and the board. It would have been exposed after the EBT case and admin then liquidation would have happened. But failing in europe early and estimated monies lost brought the house of cards down. D&P know its liquidation these little weekly revelations and delays are all part of the journey.

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I think legally D&P need to make any potential bidders aware of any change in circumstances.Sorry if that does not suit your conspiracy theory but have another go.

RS

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Good point. Unless D&P are buying time (or rather selling time) for themselves.

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How can the spl try to sneak this in at the moment rangers where getting rid of craig whyte! The changes talk of reduced payments for the newco .is this money for the creditors or for the spl slush fund?.
The spl are as bad as whyte & murray and all the rest. Scotland needs a new single football governing body with under 19s premer league sides playing in the second division( it has worked for spain!)

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RE: RS - I couldn't care less about any conspiracy at all. I don't think this whole event is a conspiracy; I think Rangers' chickens are coming home to roost. I'm aware that the 'bidders' are legally to be informed of any changes that could affect their prospective ownership. However, it does seem that the new rules covering newcos has D&P getting very vocal, very publicly.

D&P may well be drawing this out for more dough, or they may well be in cahoots with Whyte to get liquidation and a sale of assets or to get Whyte his generous slice from a cva.

I just think it's convenient that D&P are getting publicly vocal and pointing the finger at the SFA/SPL.

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Simply put all revenue streams are effected and D&P have to declare this to all potential owners.

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RS Thats why Kennedy told D and P to get a move on.....Whyte = Eliss = D & P = Sports 9. Catweazle-talkingbone.

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I see we are back to blaming administrators again, Rangers is a can of worms facing extinction but seemingly it is all down to greedy administrators.

Forget about the administrators, worry what any new owner plans to do with your history and reputation.

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Perhaps there is not a 'preferred bidder' and that all bids are not in the long term interests of the business!

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10 points is not too bad! Who got deducted 25 points because they had less friends than Rangers?

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11 Apr 2012 17:18:33
The spl are set to change the rules on clubs entering administration or liquidation, in a way i think they have done us a favour because we will soon find which bidders were going to liquidate us cause no one in there right mind would take any club on with the sanctions they are proposing, so it could be bye bye to the yanks and the singapourians of this world, then the only way ahead is the blue knights who will do everything in there power to save rangers as we know it, i do however find it a bit strange that d&p will drag this on any longer, i think the spotlight is now on them to act swiftly considering they are taking nearly 200k a week out the club, making many people believe they have there own agenda to liquidate. heres hoping there next statement doesnt say they will wait till the spl decide on the 30th april (another 600k to d&p if they do)..hope this is posted ed.....

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Blue knights dont have any money and a former director of help yourself to an EBT has plans to help himself to the assets then do one and leave fans in the lurch with a share issue that has no rhyme or reason or any hope

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I find it remarkable that when one of the bidders tries to do the right thing and make sure the creditors get something back, they are still shot down. so many people want rangers liquidated including the above reply. away and read yer celt*c view have you forgot you won something at last?

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Will Duff and Duffer take 10p in the pound for thir bill?

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It makes sense from any bidders perspective to wait for the 30th April vote on proposed changes.

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11 Apr 2012 17:14:39
well bears liquidation looks a certainty now,after reading threw the spl,s new proposals..the newco will be straight back into the spl with 2 seasons of a 10point deduction,so its a slap on the wrist for screwing everyone for millions the spl will be the laughing stock all over the world,as its a get out of debt free card&this is a quick fix due to there tax dodge!so to all the deluded LIQUIDATION is coming as the new rules have been applied to accomodate the newco..stevo

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Rather a soft penalty for a newco, really. Rangers mk2 could still win the SPL or finish second. A real penalty is one that makes relegation a possibility.

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The new rangers whatever they are called will eternally be tarnished with this preferential treatment. Every trophy they win will be considered worthless, they will forever be regarded as cheats

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Laughing stock?? Seriously pal, noone outside of Glasgow really cares.

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11 Apr 2012 16:24:08
There will be no preferred bidder named this week as spl's decision to discuss rule changes on April 30th have thrown a spanner in the works.And any bidders will have to consider this information before deciding whether to go.ahead with their planned bids.The spl doing everything in their power to have us liquidated so they can get our fans money but seriously cripple the club so that it will not be competetive in the league.

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Motherwell went into admin. none of this happened. Gretna went I to admin. none of this happened....

But of course, there is no alternator motive! Orr, all new agreements will be in force by May 14th, so if rangers are still in admin, and the new points deduction is in force, then they will start next season on minus 1/3 of the value of their points total this season (which is over 20 points)....

To be honest, I'm finished with Scottish football....the authorities are a disgrace to now act like this after two previous ases have come up and they stood back and done nothing....they are clearly tryin to be seen to be reactive and cover up there own failings as a governing authority!

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You do have to wonder if the SPL are "all there". At a time when promoting stability would seem the sensible thing to do, throwing more "unknowns" into the mix isn't in their, or anybody elses best interests. But then the SPL always a "two bit" operation run by headcases.

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It is shocking that the SPL do this!
They are causing the purchase to stall and potentially bidders to loose interest or patience!

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Unless I'm mistaken they'll need an 11-1 vote in favour of these proposals. Somehow can't see it. Can't see Hearts or any other clubs with sizeable debts such as Kilmarnock & Aberdeen agreeing to it also.

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D&P are making excuses here. Everyone predicted that the SPL would put penalties on a re-formed Rangers and D&P should have been ready for any announcement.

Can't help thinking this has more to do with dragging out the administration process and hence D&P's charges.

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Awwwww! Diddums, just because after years of having them in your pocket you go greetin. You have cheated and lied in such a staggering scale that even your pals at SFA,SPL cant help you.What a bunch of cretins you are. haha!

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The shocking thing is how lenient this is. The penalty for liquidation is LESS than the penalty for going into administration!

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Difference between Motherwell, Gretna, Dundee and Livingston is they only went into Administration, Liquidation is uncharted waters and it is everyone's interest to have the process and penalties documented before it happens

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Not even the members of the same rotary club at the sfa and spl can save you like they did in the past and I can't wait to hear the screams when uefa stick the boot in and as your song goes no one likes you.

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To the poster who called the spl a" two bit "operation..!....have a good look inside "the big red brick hectors hoose"

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Gretna surpassed administration... hence why there is no gretna in spl/sfl

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11 Apr 2012 13:35:33
Rapid Vienna now to report RFC to UEFA for unpaid transfer fee for jelavic £1 million
"last instalment" How can a club sell on a player before they have paid for him
When will it end ! Rangers no more happy days

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Ed Didnt Vienna come out almost a year ago and confirm that all payments had been made?

Graham CR3 {Ed014's Note - No.They said the payments were upto date after a late payment of an instalment.They never said there was no outstanding balance.}

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They said there is no point in reporting Rangers because they are already banned from Europe.

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For a long time I was of the opinion that liquadation should be avoided at all costs.

I am now starting to think that while it would not be nice to start again with a zero trophy count that at least it would allow us to start afresh with a clean slate and no association with the embarrasment that our club has now become and in truth has been for years.

If the fans were better informed over the last 15-20 yrs there is no way we would have let things slide to this level.

The fans are the beating heart of the club and the real ones will follow a newco in whatever division we have to start in and in the process leave the baggage of the old Rangers behind.

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We all assumed that murray was loaded, not realizing he was playing with debt!

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What next Big Issue seller demands £1 back from Rangers, that CW borrowed off him last May.

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Do Everton still owe RFC money for jelavic transfer ? If so would rapid Vienna have a legal challenge to have the money paid to them ?
Or would that be just too fair ?

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If Rapid do not accept CVA and put Rangers into liquidation they would receive NOTHING!

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Not true, they would receive a cut from the sale of the assets

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To the poster who stated that, had Rangers fans been better informed, none of this would have happened.

What questions were being asked at the annual meeting?

Who questioned the big signings under Smith and especially Advocaat?

Weremore Rangers fans worried about other pressing issues such as the green peperami's and the colour of the gates at Murray park?

Why didn't any Rangers fan group ask how all the spending was possible?

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It's a risky business and nobody questions the risk-takers while they are winning. That's how Nick Leeson got away with it for so long before his debts brought down a bank. Same kind of thing.

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Rangers fans applauded and encouraged every sordid deal and are still encouraging another sordid deal to be done in the form of a CVA and to hell with school books, charity and so on!

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11 Apr 2012 13:27:43
If this is true; is it not the legal responsiblity of the Administrators to ensure the viability of the company and get the best deal for creditors by accepting money for assets on sale...or is this just another example of how strange Duff and Phelps have been allowed to "Administer" the affairs of Rangers since 14th Feb 2012. If I was a Creditor and there appears to be 246 of them; then I am damn sure I would want my money now and not through a CVA or not at all if lquidation. What is D&P's role??

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Mate the administrators are appointed by court. If rangers are liquidated creditors will get 2-3 pence in pound. Through a cva they will get 10-20 pence! Now obviously cva is best option. If we go into liquidation we will sell assets! Ibrox and murry park have no retail value as can be only used for sporting purposes. Players......hmmmm possible 10-15 million at push. Now administrators get paid first 4-5 million so leaves less than 10p in pound for creditors. So u can see why cva is better option!

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D&P's role is to drag the process on as much as possible to make as much money for them they can make and move the club into liquidation and blame other parties. Has been from the start.

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11 Apr 2012 12:58:46
Rapid have reported rangers for not paying up for Jelly, They also state they are not going to agree to a CVA and won't all the outstanding monies owed. rangers need to pay up or face a transfer embargo

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Already got a transfer embargo fs! keep up to date

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If this is true more complaints will follow and liquidation is inevitable!

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Not large enough debt to influence CVA, so they will have to swallow if 75% of creditors vote for it.

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It the main creditor that decides that and the rest have to follow ,so get your facts right

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A transfer embargo, are you having a laugh. We dont have any money to buy anybody FFS

JG

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Rapid won't make or break a CVA, if TBC goes against the club then HMRC will have that decision in their hands!

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Am I right in thinking that if 50% of creditors agree to a CVA the rest have no say in the matter.

GovanFR

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Thats totally false!!

football creditors will be the last in line for monies owed!!

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No they didn't, you are talking through your hole...

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Rapid will not prevent a cva pmsl

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Just Pay up all that you are due then you can sign who ever you want. If you get a CVA then I hope that the SPL have the BALLS to make sure that sanctions are put in place for the next 3 seasons.

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Its ironic since celtic fans are finding it hard to find places to buy jelly

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Shame, shame, shame on the lot of you who are happy to bump charities, schools and hospitals OAP War Heroes and not forgetting other tax paying clubs here and abroad!

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11 Apr 2012 09:28:01
Rangers in crisis: There will be NO takeover unless I get a pay-off, says club owner Craig Whyte. He said: “I’ve said I won’t stand in the way of a takeover and that remains my position. I am assuming a preferred bidder can be announced subject to a deal being done with me.â€

Anybody got any idea how much he is willing to take?

Phil Cornwall Bear

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More than his f###ing pound !!

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£30 million

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Its simple, any new owner must take over the Ticketus guarantee he gave or give him 30 million to give to Ticketus.

If the BK's are in with Ticketus and are the preferred bidder then CW will sell for a pound.

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He is looking for around £30 million

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He said he wanted to double his money especially after all the crap he has had to deal with.

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Double his money? So £2 then? haha

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Offer him a fiver

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Is this the reason he stopped Rangers trading on the Plus Exchange and never disclosed his Directorship ban? He knew this would be the means to an end. Exactly how much are his shares worth? He can set the price now. I reckon above poster is correct...he wants his 30M for the quid he spent

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Dunno wot he is willing to take, but i know wot i wud like to give him....starting with a boot in the balls with my steel toecaps! Ryan

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Smart cookie this Mr Wyte, A lot of ppl will be sorry for the way he was attacked when they have to go on thier knees and have to beg for his shares. What goes around comes around mee thinks.
Its the rest of scottish football that should be thanking Ellis for his part in Whytes takeover not rangers.

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Probably £30 mill plus any interest and expenses.
The expenses would frighten me just look at d&p fffs

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If CW is looking for £30m plus, and we are going to have to give minimum of 10p in the pound to creditors to get even a CVA going, and that's £13.4 m mibbe, so we'll need at least £43.4m. None of the bidders has so far offered anything like that have they? Where does that leave us? Or am I just nae use at arithmetic? But I am cos Ii have a degree in engineering and as far as I can see Wee Cont Whooks is a bit of an engineer, too. He's engineered this situation from day one to lead to liquidation. From my above numbers, CVA is not an option. Liquidation will raise mibbe £60m which give Conty Bhoy his £30m, and others 25p or so in the pound. Disnae look good, berrs.

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Err... is 10p in the pound not £3m? i'm guessing your not in the financial markets then?

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No, I understood that as he's got a floating charge and as preferred creditor he gets everything up to his limit, then the rest divvy the remainder up.

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Something north of£30million - he has ibrox, murray park & the car park tied up in trinity corporate or something like that.
his dad is the sole director. took place on 21/03/12 with transfer from rangers group plc

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He owns Rangers and will get whatever anyone is willing to pay for Ibrox and his other assets - simple.

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11 Apr 2012 08:25:30
West Brom signalled their desperation to land Steven Naismith by launching a fresh bid for the crocked Rangers attacker.

And Sportsmail understands the latest offer, believed to be worth less than the £2million previously reported and heavily weighted with add-ons, is actually the third attempt the Premier League side have made to land the Scotland international in recent weeks.

Asked if he had submitted a new offer for Naismith, manager Roy Hodgson — also in for Rangers keeper Allan McGregor — was non-committal, saying: ‘That might be so.

‘It’s not really my department, it’s sporting director Dan Ashworth you’d have to ask about that.’

Scottish Dail Mail

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Good Day Fellow Bears.....
Come on lad you can’t blame the man, wouldn’t we have done the same! given the circumstances. I do believe we would have for sure.

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Since Rangers are not in Europe next year they can not afford to pay the high wages. It is in everones interest that all high wage earners leave to avoid another 10 million trading loss for the comng year.

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Naismith might never be the same again, too many injuries and i know we took a gamble with Gascoigne but surely premiership teams dont need to buy injured players. They should at least wait to see him playing in a game first.

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Killie fan in peace - one of the reasons that Naismith went to Rangers instead of down south is that he said he might get homesick (and would miss his dog would you believe)
So I dont think it is cut and dried that he wants a move

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Who are these high earners your talking about ? didin't they all take wage cuts

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That twice his knee's gone.
Will happen again in time.

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