Rangers Rumours Archive March 14 2012
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14 Mar 2012 23:20:37
I heard that the american who is looking at us is a part of a bank in america that is worth 27billion, and heard his personal wealth sits at 1.1billion. to be honest, would much rather a rangers fan in charge, to make sure something like this nevr happens again, or we could have a safeguard in the contract to say that the club cannot be left in a situation similar to this, what do you think? could be another abramovich!!
or another romanov!
DEEJAy!
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At least Abramovich has poured millions upon millions into Chelsea, so I'd be happy with a billionaire willing to cash in.
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RFC onlly turns over 40-55 million per year, you don't need a billionaire to win the SPL.
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Aye but we need to get back into europe to gain some prestige and respect back, we know we can win the SPL easily with or without money!
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Kellys were fans, murray was fan look where it got them
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1.1 billion thats good you know what he has .....it's not off the radar.. eh Keith?
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Craig Whyte is a Rangers Fan so he says and u need a billionaire to do well in Europe
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Abramovich is only 5th in the premier. Could a billionaire help Rangers? Yes, but not hugely. He will need to pay players enough to come to Scotland when they could be playing in England or Spain.
Mind, that guy that bought the Russian team I can't spell has brought success, bringing in players like Eto'o.
Rangers don't need a Romanov LOL.
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Mate, all u did was read the sun's back page. Old news.
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Abramovic has left Chelsea in a state, the quarter finals of the champions league. lol
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Wakey wakey,
stop reading the DR - thats why you are in this mess
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Its a nice dream that some unknown billionnaire will plough untold millions into Rangers every year, to get them to the group stages of the CL.
However it was this dream that caused this nightmare and I suggest it is time to wake up fom both.
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Celtic have 2 billionaires on their board. In fact they have more access to private funds than many in the EPL. No Yank is going to buy Rangers unless there is another angle than SPL. Also think about the Glazers.....they make CW look like a baby.
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You're right (Celtic have 2 billionaires...) the only billionaires Rangers will attract are fans like the Celtic guys. The business logic alone really doesn't stack up.
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Why do people never seem to mention our clubs potential but only concentrate on how much debt we "currently" have?
Both the old firm and Scottish football as a whole have a lot of potential for growth. We are practically a blank canvass at the moment and if we could get rid of a load of the negativity surrounding our game them maybe even some of the smaller clubs could attract bigger investment.
For me this has to start with smaller teams listening to the old firm when it comes to potential sponsorship. Namely, the Setanta deal when both Old firm teams wanted to go with Sky then but the rest excluding Aberdeen wanted to go with Setanta for an extra £1m between everybody over 5 years.
The English game didn't start on the millions they have now. The Scottish game will have been on a far better deal by now if only the rest of the fools would have taken the same stance as the old firm.
Rant over lol.
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The previous owners and board where Rangers fans/men and got you in to this?
If they were celtic fans they couldnt have done this much damage!
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I agree Rangers has potenial if they get their operatig costs down from 55 to 45 million.
Then when they make the group stages of the CL, they will make 10 million.
At the moment its the other way round, Rangers are operating at 55 million per year and if they fail to get to the group stages they lose 10 million and if they do succeed they break even.
Their business plan was based on a best case scenario which was not very clever.
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Celtic do have 2 billionaires but say this american does takeover i seriously doubt that he would pump the whole lot in. Like us the 2 on the board wont pour money in because they dont want to end up in a mess like rangers.
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Rangers fans must accept their new club will be run on sound business principles.
It is simply crazy to run a company that loses 10-15 million if it doesn't reach the group stages of the CL. The operating costs( wages) of Rangers must be reduced by 10 million so that failure results in a break even position, and success is a 10 million profit. Both Rangers and Celtic will return to being selling clubs as they historically used to be. I very much doubt either can compete with the wage structure of most Championship teams, never mind the EPL.
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14 Mar 2012 22:39:54
if we aint in admin then whats stopping a new owner coming in and just settling the pot...and we get oor 10 pts back.....personally i got a feelin somethings afoot here ....maybe strings being pulled from above places....may regret losing to killien hearts yet.......deecee
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Still owe the money mate. Feel free to take back the 10 points, meaningless now anyway apart from to irritate motherwell.
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You think you are just getting you're head around the situation and then something else get thrown into the mix. If this was... as suggested many times, a big plan, then it's pure genuis.
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Points gone. Plenty to stop anyone coming in and settling. Were not outta this by a long way I fear. Interesting and worrying times ahead. But we get there
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And so it goes on and on and on.. It must now be the worst state of any football club on the planet. As for Murray the most pathetic interview i have ever read. He knew exactly what he was doing appointing Whyte.Murray built a massive business on astute business dealings so we ain't buying the duped s***t!
I've been saying for weeks let's get to the end game now and start again!
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@deecee are you drunk? Explain, who's pulling the strings exactly? What a stupid post! You owe £15m to the taxman and that's just for when whyte took over. And it was he (taxman) who put you into administration so if you aren't in administration officially you will be by Monday night. Ps take back the 10pts and the 6pts from those 2 games and celtic are still in front by a country mile. Enjoy your swally!
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Its a total mess dont know where we stand one day good news next day another can of worms total fiasco do any bears know whats going on we are more in the dark again shambles
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You still lose the league by a country mile
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Can or worms?? Barrel of snakes I think.
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Even if we did get our ten points back, what a shambles the SPL would look to be! An embarrassment of an organisation.
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I assume this guy is having a laugh, the future of Rangers will hang in the balance for the next 2 months. It s a two horse rave, new buyer nder a CVA or liquidtion,
IF RANGERS RUN OUT OF MONEY BEFORE THE CVA THEN ITS LIQUIDATUION, THE CVA WILL TAKE AT LEAST 2 MONTHS.
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What planet r u on and can u send the name of the plant ur smokin
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Al buy it for 99p
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100 million reasons pal and they are all called pounds,As I have said on this forum before, No billionaire ever got his money, by investing in a lost cause, SDM gave it his best shot and the truth is, He was and still is a shrewd business man, He let his heart rule his head and it has cost him everything, His money , his reputation, and his pride, I don't believe Rangers will die all together, But the Rangers of the past 120 years is dead and about to be buried, A new owner will be found, But it will be in a Newco, and run as a profit making business the days of they spend 5 we will spend 10 will never happen again. tight reigns, tight budgets, and bare trophy cabinet for the next 5 years at least. I just hope enough of our fans stick to our new motto. We don't do walking away, because if they don't then there won't be a Rangers to Support for our Kids and Grand children. WATP but not in football terms any more.Sad Times but reality
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Why dont people understand the TAX MAN did not put rangers into administration! can we stop these stupid posts please people
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No conspiracy mate. Rangers lost 10 points because they spent money they didn't have and are now asking either creditors or an as yet unknown billionaire to bail them out. No chance of 10 points coming back.
More likely that even more points will go at the start of next season. Rangers WILL be in the SPL in some form. But nobody will think it fair to start with a clean sheet.
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If Rangers come out of admin bfore the start of next season the can start with a clean slate its the rules if other clubs come together to stop this simple rangers should not take any away tickets for 5 years that will put them back in there place
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In the name of the wee man, we are still in administration, it is a technical hitcg that D&P forgot to tell the FSA, to make it lawful, thus the High Court will reaffirm the order and back date it to the original date. What you should be looking at is what else has not been carried out correctly? Is this a precursor to more "sorry we/I didn't know that" and more hares are set off running.
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Unbelievable how many dim witted Rangers fans who come on here and post utter gobs**te. Your club and you are an embarassment for the whole of Scotland, wake up and face reality ffs. Your club as you know it is finished, dead done. Yes you will love on in some shape or form but this I your final days.
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14 Mar 2012 22:36:10
Good interview with Paul Marray on TV. Discusses a bit about the Blue Knights plan. Supposedly, 10 members in the consortium.
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Think the Murray bid is only serious one. Kennedy seems a bit too reluctant to be serious. Too much like he's doing rangers a favour. His comments aren't exactly inspiring. Don't believe the fortress one if I'm honest.Any news on AEG or has that one been put to bed now?
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Pity it wasnt eleven, then there would be a team to play in next years third division
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Wil fall by wayside if Ticketus withdraw. Interesting to see what happens in today's court case, that could scupper the Blue Knights business case.
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The blue knights don't have enough readies to brass up a decent CVA.
They can cobble together 10p in £ and shares issue making it 20p in the pound CVA. HMRC and Ticketus not settle for less than 80p.
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14 Mar 2012 22:33:11
Rangers Football Club may not be in administration because of a legal technicality, it has emerged.
A hearing is to be held at the Court of Session in Edinburgh on 19 March to settle the issue.
Accountants Duff and Phelps were supposed to have been appointed administrators of Rangers Football Club plc last month.
The Financial Services Authority (FSA) was not notified, meaning administration was not legally binding.
The club returned to the Court of Session on 9 March to ask for a new order, backdated to 14 February, when Lord Hodge had originally granted administration.
He has now granted the club an interlocutor - a court order -allowing the matter to be heard in Edinburgh next week.
Creditor challenge
In the meantime Paul Clark and David Whitehouse of Duff and Phelps will act as "joint interim managers" of Rangers.
BBC Scotland understands HM Revenue and Customs (HMRC) will not use the hearing as an opportunity to challenge the way Rangers have been run in the past month, as had been suggested by an insolvency expert.
It has also emerged that Duff and Phelps are set to challenge the creditor status of finance firm Ticketus.
A two-day hearing is set to get under way at the Court of Session on Thursday.
Rangers owner Craig Whyte is understood to have mortgaged about £24m of future season ticket sales over a four year period to Ticketus.
The finance firm has since been named as a partner in the so-called Blue Knights consortium
looking to take over the club.
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If this is true then surely Craig Whyte can sue the crown, for the costs of administration up until the time this is rectified, {Ed001's Note - not if it is the fault of the administrators or himself.}
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Well, it does sound like just a technicality. And technically, Rangers could get 10 points back until the technicality is resolved and the points go away again.
Either way, it's CVA or liquidation. No buyer wants to take on Rangers "as is", perhaps with £60m+ tax liabilities. A CVA will decide how much HMRC agrees to and if it doesn't, HMRC will fight over the liquidated assets. There is a lower limit as to how much the CVA can be before liquidation becomes preferable.
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14 Mar 2012 21:52:53
just heard a belter of a rumour, apparantly all the fans of the great unwashed who post on here when they should be posting on there own site are gonnae form a conga starting at poundstrechers in argyle st all the way to cashconverters as a show of solidarity this saturday...........press believe if you do and unbelievable if you dont, WATP
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Is this a dig at us, childish end to it, press believe if you do... lol what a sad creature.
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What are you talking about....press what for what? Step away from the drink.
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That's just what I was thinking.Press what for what. Sozzled
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Umm the 2 shops you say aint there :s
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You seem to know all off these bargain hunting spots well,let Ally know as thats the level of player you are looking at
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I would be careful talking about stores like that ...after all Craig Whyte bought Rangers for a £1 !!
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Ha ha . that old chestnut. so rangers supporters are by default wealthier than those of celtic (wake up boyo). talking of poundshops (you can see it coming) what can you buy for a quid these days? pint of milk ? roll of sellotape ? small toy? RANGERS FOOTBALL CLUB ? ibrox is now the biggest begging bowl in the world. get the buckets oot boys ? hha.
WATP (we are the poor.)
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14 Mar 2012 19:43:20
Ed could u please help with this please,
D&P failed to register with fsa about adminastration which means we not in adminastration
On monday D&P filling a backdated entering of adminastration?,
Will this or could this void players contracts?,
Can this halt a sale of the club?,
Can creditors i.e hmrc try & appoint new adminastrators?,
Is this again D&P occuring big legal debts?,
In your opinion do you think this is some kind of ploy,as a builder wouldent forget to put in planning,bit unusual maybe {Ed001's Note - if it is accepted, then all that has happened will be fine. If not, well then it is back to the drawing board and utter confusion!}
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Sorry I know this is meant to be serious, but please stop saying adminsatration. Thanks
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It's a wast a time m8 ur down and out no point doing his dirty work let him see if he can do it himself
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14 Mar 2012 21:06:56
If the club is not in administration it has no protection from its creditors nothing stopping them taking legal action against club. They can apply to have assets ring fenced against their debts could be alot of legal bureaucracy and costs between now and 19th all with little actual consequence not a good development. Can see dundee uniteds lawyers gettin involved. Forget the deadline for bids (which was pointless before tax case decision anyway) that'll get extended too. Oh and no doubt that'll be more costs
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Nailed it. Some bears think this is a good thing (!), it most certainly is not. Debts are still there but the protection from those debts may be gone.
Ed I know all administrators are supposed to have the same remit so why the rush by Whyte to get D&P appointed (court setting deadlines etc.)?Not a pointed question just genuinely curious.
D&P seem to have been very cosy with Whyte since he took over.
Mac {Ed001's Note - I really don't know, because he has to know that D&P, like all administrators, are not going to be acting in his interests. It is a strange one, the only real reason can be the way they operate. I don't know their reputation first hand, but they might have a rep for doing what Whyte wants, whether that is going for liquidation or saving things from liquidation.}
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Why do you think its a two day hearing ?
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Thanks Ed, maybe their methods suited Whyte's master plan better than any other administrators.
Mac {Ed001's Note - I am sure each company will have their own preferred method, I would be surprised if D&P would be influenced by Whyte in any way though. They are much bigger than that, he is small time compared to what they are used to dealing with.}
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I agree with that completely Ed, I dont think Whyte has any influence with them at all but I do believe he chose them because their modus operandum suited his agenda.
As for what his agenda is I couldnt guess but he definitely owns 85% of the shares and will probably argue that he is owed 18 million from the bank debt. I certainly dont think we've heard the last of him.
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CW can not argue he is owed 18 million if he did not pay the 18 million, you can not secure assets against a non-existant debt.
The debt was paid by the club and not him personally, RFC can not secure its own assets for paying off its own debt.
In my opinion.
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14 Mar 2012 20:52:53
How stands the Martin Bain case
Can D&P unfreeze the ring fenced
monies With whats come out can
he really present his management
record in court
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No they cant thats why he ring fenced it
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While it's technically still an asset of the club, it's protected by the 'ring fence' so to speak. The very reason he managed to get it ring fenced was BECAUSE it looked like we might struggle to pay damages back whenever his case was. It wouldn't make sense if this meant we could simply take the money anyway. Muzz
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Shows bains true colours when players take wage cuts and hes still trying to screw more money out of the club
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Indeed these ring fencing of rangers cash assisted greatly the slide into Admin possibly by 2 weeks.
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14 Mar 2012 20:37:36
Hmrc now looking to appoint there administrators and get rid of duff and phelps due to this glitch! Could not make this fiasco up!
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Realy source or are you Guessing? as there is nothing official and it has been Reported that by BBC that HMRC are not looking to apoint there own as they will do the Exact same job?
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HMRC dont make official comment - so how could the BBC know this ?
Dont remember HMRC pre-announcing thier move to put rangers into administration.....
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HMRC made the official comment that
If Rangers win the tax case they would appeal it
Scotty RFC
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No they wouldn't. It wouldn't suit any party to replace the admiinstrators. It would take another few weeks of 'settling in' and getting to know the situation etc. then they would go about doing the EXACT same things. With Whyte out of the picture, they won't be as bothered who the administrators are, as they are statutorily bound to act fairly. Muzz
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Some laugh this ain't it bhoys
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D&P not looking too competant!
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14 Mar 2012 20:33:07
After what I had just seen in Paul Murray I would give him a chance ye he worked with David Murray but only for 4 yrs. But we have to keep a close eye on him nd the rest that of them if they take over the club or whoever does
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Myra hyndlay only workd with ian brady for 4 year! means nowt
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14 Mar 2012 20:33:01
After what I had just seen in Paul Murray I would give him a chance ye he worked with David Murray but only for 4 yrs. But we have to keep a close eye on him nd the rest that of them if they take over the club or whoever does
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14 Mar 2012 19:53:30
If we are not in administration how where the SFA able to block cousin signing? (good move on their part though) is this a usual thing to happen ed? Or is it just another mess?
I honestly don't think there's a story that could surprise me anymore!
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Blocked in the belief the club was in administration. Not really their fault as everyone thought it was.
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You were going into admin anyway hmrc were at the court but white got 90 minuets to appoint his own team D&P remember b
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Shood there not have been documents given to spl to prove administration surely they can't just go on rangers word and if no official documents received surely then they can't just dish out a points penalty
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14 Mar 2012 18:50:03
Anyone know what can happen to us for not 'legally being in administration'?
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Yeah we will legally go into administration lol
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My big fear is that D&P will be replaced by an Admin that will go for Liquidation (D&P will be off the hook for denying this would happen) and the roof will just fall in.
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14 Mar 2012 18:35:16
rangers not actually in administration ? by technicality
administrators go to court on the 19th to straighten this out
another 2 people on the payroll at considerable cost.
this is ridiculous.
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Afraid hmrc will be watching with intrest,simpley because they were not happy not being able to appoint there own choice of addministrator.
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Not looking to wind up anyone but would this not mean the ten point deduction may be wrong to enforce aswell
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Yeh it means you will get your ten points back for the 5 minuets it takes HMRC to put you back in admin b
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10 points are gone for good i think. not that it really matters. league was gone as soon as jelavic decided to go and no one came in. then with everything else which happened on top. not sure it'll change things considerably otherwise it would be making bigger headlines. could just be a technicality.
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Just thought id set this right because it gets on my nerves ,i posted the question about the ten points deduction just to clarify my team wont get ten of them in a celtic fan asking a simple question
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Ryan, I have been saying for the last week on here that D&P are not doing their job properly, you are correct more money, I highlighted yesterday that by them going to the high court in London to get 3.6 million released they opened up another can of worms as the pension fund company want 3 million of that - now surely D&P should have seen in the books that this 3 million was not officially money belonging to Rangers, you know where I am going with this mate and my problem is that this 3 million was in the calculations to keep the club alive, now its not Rangers money - D&P are not doing a good job...Expenses at the high court in London will take up thousands, 2 visits to court of session in Edinburgh another few grand - suddenly there is no 3.6 million !!
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Diamond.
No offence geezer but you seem obsessed with the perfomance and cost of the administrator. Speaking as a neutral well wisher, D&P are no more expensive than any other firm and the delay in the sale is down to impending liabilities. They can't draw up a CVA without an unconditional offer, and they wont get a firm offer until all the debt liabilities are also firm. Their job is to keep Rangers trading long enough for a firm offer to be made. Since we know the BTC will not be settled for some weeks if not months, then any Administrator at Rangers could not sell the business until after this date. They may have created a technical problem that may cost 10k or so, however since the total debt liabilty of RFC could be anything from 35-100 millon, it s hardly a significant amount.
I believe RFC will be in Administration for months or it will be liquidated, I do not see the complex legal entanglement of Ibrox, Murray Park, Ticketus, CW, HMRC and the 3.6 million being solved anytime soon.
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1st reply
Intrest = Interest
Simpley = Simply
There = Their
Addministrator = Administrator
What happened to Scottish Education?
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14 Mar 2012 17:36:45
Not in adnin going to court monday,d&p run up mass debts club get taken over by hmrc d&p get nice earner cant even do job properly,not working for whyte,closed down next week,
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Mate, half 5 and your on the drink, cant really make head nor tails of your post, please clarify your points.
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Keep on dreaming yea dreaming what utter nonsense you talk!
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This dont make sense the boy must be on the sauce
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On BBC that rangers NOT IN ADMINISTRATION.... so the offers to buy pointless and are stalking horses....
who picked D&P... oh yes Mr WHyte...
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Post is riight, seems D+P didn't inform FSA about administration, so it isn't legal. Court hearing next week to ratify. D+P are therefore considered interim managers in meantime? leaves door open for HMRC to re-object to the administrators and or their performance to date. could be interesting.
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They are just going to reapply!
Shouldn't be a problem unless HRMC oppose D&P and propose other Admin!
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Re: Shouldn't be a problem unless HRMC oppose D&P and propose other Admin!
I HOPE THIS HAPPENS
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Its all irrelevent, liquidation looms.
Where are the decent young Rangers fans, why are they not protesting, the old guard have failed to offer any help or inspiration. through time things evolve and its only a matter of time before the old prejudices are abandoned for football and nothing else. The young need to step up and take their club forward, the old guard are incapable.
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Think this is what he's on about though he's reading between the lines:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17373292
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14 Mar 2012 17:24:24
I'm giving you a big story Ed and you won't post it why?
Rangers may not, after all, be in administration, because of a legal technicality. A hearing is to be held on Monday to settle the issue
Will I Am {Ed001's Note - what are you talking about? It has already been posted!}
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I don't see it posted. Where is it?
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17373292
Will I Am {Ed001's Note - it has been posted a few times, the exact same story over the last couple of days. I remember people replying as well, so i am sure it is there somewhere, not sure if it was your tag on it though.}
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If Rangers are indeed not in Administration on monday due to an ownership dispute, then they will be in Administration on Tuesday appointed by HMRC.
What is your point ?
Do you think an Administrator appointed by HMRC is going to save the company ? {Ed001's Note - they will try and do the same thing, to raise the money to pay off the creditors while leaving the company as a profitable entity. It really makes little difference which administrator is in charge, they all have the same remit.}
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My reading of the report on BBC Website is that Rangers want the administration order backdated to February 14. not rescinded. So, it would seem those 10 points might be staying docked anyway. Mind you if the admin order was a balls up then it speaks volumes about D & P.
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Do you trust and administrator selected by Whyte and who was at the first game with him - in the box... ?
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Maybe D&P want HMRC step in on Monday and force them to be replaced?
D&P walk away with a large cheque!
New Admin make redundancies.
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14 Mar 2012 16:58:14
Heard that Channel 4 will expose the SFA president who knew of the 2 contracts. This will send the bidders running for the hills when UEFA get involved
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Campbell Ogilvie has admitted he was involved in the EBT's as a recipient, but was not involved in any player dealings.
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More timmy pash. Alex Thomson is doing a piece on Rangers for CH4, he does comment on CO with regard to his press release. As yet there is no guilt or accusation surrounding CO other than the frothing dhims paranoia. Report the facts at least, you are just another dhim fud with brain freeze.
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Same old, same old - a Rangers fan who doesn't agree and says it's a timmy conspiracy. What if the OP isn't a Celtic fan? Do you accuse your friends and family of being dhim fuds when you disagree with them or do you save such stupid abd paranoid accusations for here?
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They were not contracts, they were letters of intent, big difference is, the letters of intent are not a legally bounded contract.
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Intent is not a binding contract? Bull, Then the jails better open it's gates and let all those found guilty of intent to supply, intent to murder, intent to commit fraud out, because it was not for real they were only kidding on.
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TIMMY or not this is a mess on the BIGGEST scale
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14 Mar 2012 16:24:13
Merchant capitail have anonced pritchards non cash assets worh over 310 million to reykar securities as they now legal custodian,all named business are owend or run by whyte,wunder what makes up that 310 million of non cash assets are that have fallen on whytes lap,ibrox murray park like i keep telling you,
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Yeah ibrox and mp are not worth near that if they were wouldn't have any financial problems.
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This doesn't make any sense
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So what r u saying Ibrox and murray park is worth 310 million? gies piece son
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The assets of RFC are 20 -25 million, at best.
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This has got nothing to do with Rangers ya plum! The 310 million you're on about is all the business (clients) that Pritchard had. They've simply been transferred to another company following liquidation. - Stevie-A-Bear
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Hi Ed! Any chance of a ruling whereby all non signed messages don't get posted? Okay this is a rumours/banter site but
there are too many "Invisibles" coming on here posting absolute nonsense, without recrimination.
Stevie-A-Bear {Ed001's Note - nope, but I do understand if you just feel it is better to skip past un-signed posts. Some of them do have interesting points to make.}
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LOL. Aye okay Ed consider my wrists well and truly smacked! Just thought it was easier from a comeback/reference point of view.- Stevie-A-Bear {Ed001's Note - I know, I prefer it if people sign a name too, it means you know who you are talking to and don't get confused. But there are no plans to just delete those without a sign off, like I said sometimes they make good points.}
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14 Mar 2012 15:11:12
Just heard, from a very reliable source inside Ibrox, that the club will go into liquidation next week, regardless of the amount of potential bidders for new ownership. The club is in dire need of major cash RIGHT NOW! From discussions so far, no-one is willing to absorb these debts believed to be between £80-115m in a bid to take control. Watch This Space. Ed - Happy for your comments {Ed001's Note - simply put, I don't believe that for a second.}
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Where do you get the 80-115m from. cant be that bad surely
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More p@sh, debts that high would need to include the BTC and as yet that has not been decided.
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Hi ed, fancy checking the IP on that post and see if its from the same poster as the previous story.(underneath) {Ed001's Note - it's not the same IP.}
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Haw haw haw timothys really pulling at straws now. breaking from a bbc source on twitter .
BBC: #Rangers may not be in administration because of a legal technicality. CourtofSession to settle the issue on Monday. More to follow
we're comin !!
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I just heard from a reliable source that whoever made up that story has just took a big jobbie!
aye right mate, ur source is a taxi driver or an ice cream van man, by the way better get a new freezer cos the ice cream is melting
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So - lets get this right . . . .
The Administrators said they needed to cut £1m / Month for Rangers to honour their remaining fixtures (which D&P say they have acheived) yet YOU have knowledge to say that the admins are wrong?
Aye right then!!
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To no name, no source( as usual) if things are that bad, why dont they just go to liquidation now, today, this afternoon!
Please go back and ask your source that.
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Admins say we need to save 1 million a month, but it has been widely reported they are due 1 million a month in fees? whats the point eh? I know there is more to it than that but seems like we are cutting back on playing and normal staff s pay just to pay admins
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If no potential buyer is willing to make an unconditional offer, then a CVA can not be arranged until the BTC is decided and all the legal disputes over the ground and the tickets are resolved.
If the administrator feels these issues can not be resolved by May, he may call it a day. If they lose the case for the 3.6 million on March 30th I think Liquidation is inevitable.
Rangers will not be the first company to be liquidated because of the cost of a long Adminisration period.
I simply can not see any buyer making an unconditional offer, and Rangers will run out of money before the conditions are met.
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True, d&p up in court monday, not in admin due to technicality. all over the news. Liquidation a cert then?
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Its liquidation, whether next week or May. Nobody will touch the debts. I am disappointed with the Rangers fan base who have laughed of the threat to the club for years. Who will they blame after the end game ? I have to say the word inept comes to mind.
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C'mon guys keep up! Brian Kennedy has said that his bid will be unconditional. Although he did also say that he doesn't really want to buy the club, but doesn't want to see it die.
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If Kennedys bid is unconditional then he has 2 options.His bid is to buy the assets after liquidation and start anew,or,put around £100m on table.That's it,no CVA,no HMRC deal,take our club as is,debts and all.The more I see,the less I like.it seems as if we're being backed into a corner towards an end game,which will be liquidation.Hopefully a new club can be formed for next season.
PS. I only post what I've heard or can maybe back up.I appreciate comments from fellow bears based on common sense after evaluating the facts as we know them,whether we agree or not.Our club is dying.Shouting WATP will not solve anything.Look at the shambles of the fighting fund launch.Is there no one at our club with a bit of common sense.
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It's funny because Two partys have know came out and said they WILL BID for RANGERS. So why would they bid even if they knew Rangers were screwed? Pritty sure they know more about this than we. Ed do you know if any other partys have confirmed they will bid except the salesshark guy and the Blue Knights? {Ed001's Note - none have confirmed a willingness to bid that I know of. AEG have defo made the administrators aware of their interest and asked for details, though I have no idea what their public stance is on it.}
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No one is denying there will be a queue of buyers after a CVA or after liquidation, however there will not be any unconditional buyers before either of these events.
The big question is whether Rangers can continue trading long enough for conditions to be met under a CVA. The 3.6 million may or may not be crucial to Rangers survival, but I anticipate it will take a few months at least to formulate a CVA, maybe longer.
Liquidation is not a certainty but it is becoming more and more possible.
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14 Mar 2012 13:29:22
Rangers are struggling to keep afloat its hand to mouth stuff just to operate.
There is zero money to offer creditors 1p in the pound CVA.
This is why an owner is required NOW before a CVA to pay Murray's and Whytes debts off. And also to pick up the operating costs and start paying players their full wages.
Who's gonna do that?
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Well i'm going to the Bingo on Sat mate, here's hoping!
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I run a small business and i have a £10,000 tax bill to pay. I think I will just contact HMRC and offer £100 and call it quits!
I have no desire to see Rangers go out of business but there can be no way that the club can be allowed to defraud the tax man and walk away with paying pennies! The £14M that is owed from the last year has to be paid in full or the tax system is open to abuse from any con man all over the country.
I would have no problem in allowing time to pay but there is no way Hector can budge on this! You have to pay your Tax - end of story!
The big Tax Case i dont know enough about to pass comment!
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The highest offer will form the basis of the CVA , if HMRC reject it then liquidation will follow. It is ludicrous to suggest any bid will come close to wiping out the full debt of RFC.
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Brian kennedy or the "blue knights" apparently, to name but two. it may not be what you want to hear but you tims can stop fantasising, it looks there will be no liquidation.
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The Ticketus debt is Murray's old Lloyd's/ BOS debt. The small tax case is Murray's old debt.
The £9m PAYE VAT is Whytes debt.
The big tax case is Murray's old debt.
Then there's all the others.
There's no money to pay off the above.
There's hardly any money to operate, Walter has to front up the begging bowl.
The wealth/ largesse of a new owner decides how much a CVA will be.
Whether its
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Do D&P have until 10th April to put a CVA unplaced? Is that the. Date issue?
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Enough already, somebody should report all this Bear cruelty to the SSPCA , second thoughts better the RSPCA...
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Who wants to pay tens of millions for Murrays golden years? Now the bill is due?
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Walter and Sandy Jardine are passing the begging bowl to keep it operating.
Problem is D&P hanging around costing a fortune.
Now D&P are going to court to essentially become long term managers of Rangers.
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The operating costs of rangers is too high. 200 people for heavens sake!
Whatever happens a lot will have take redundancy because it's not sustainable forever. And no be has a right to a job at Ibrox indefinitely,
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Tick Tock Goes The Clock, Looks like the Blue Knights, and all those other billionaires are looking for the same kind of deal Mr Whyte got.
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The thing is ALL creditors including the public can get paid 100% if there's an HONEST administration and Liquidation by sselling the assets to pay the creditors! Sell Murray Park and Ibrox and pay people their complete owed money!
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I think you may find the assets are secured by one creditor...CW or Ticketus, take your pick.
HMRC is not going to be happy with washers, what an almighty mess.
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14 Mar 2012 13:25:51
Brian Kennedy doesn't particularly want to buy rangers.Doesn't want them to die either.His bid
is purely a fall back.
On Bbc
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Cant see this one happening. Brian Kennedy is a Hibs fan so has no emotional ties to Rangers. There is no money to be made either so why would he throw his money down a big black hole?
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I doesnt say he doesnt want to particularly buy rangers read the story correct be4 posting utte bullsh#t
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He's a self publicist taking the p*ss. He's not interested.
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Cant understand stand folk hitting unbelievable.Do you know something Brian Kennedy in his own mind doesn't?
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It's tokenism he'll never own rangers.
He knows what goes on and it doesn't attract him at all.
There's zero money to be returned from owning rangers it's all about dumping money in to it. And getting dogs abuse when they don't win everything every year.
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For the knuckle dragger who thinks it is bulls**t..he may not have said "particularly"However he has stated that he DOESNT want to buy rangers but he also doesnt want them to die.Clown
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Brian Kennedy is like all the rest, he will buy Rangers under a CVA or after liquidation, he will not make an unconditional offer of 50-100 million, not unless he has had a lobotomy.
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Brian Kennedy's offer will also be "unconditional"
http://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/top-football-stories/rangers-administration-brian-kennedy-prepares-fall-back-bid-for-ibrox-club-1-2172169
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14 Mar 2012 13:16:44
who are this asian guy that is interested and the americans who are they
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There is no American or Asian interest! Its the oldest trick in the book. Pretend to your only real bidder that there is competition in order to speed up the process! Rangers to be owned by Ticketus(a profit making organisation) in the next couple of weeks.
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A BILLION pound American investment bank is behind a sensational Rangers takeover bid.
SunSport can reveal that New-York based Fortress, which currently boasts assets of £27BILLION, has expressed definite interest with administrators Duff and Phelps and it is understood the Yanks' move is being taken seriously — while a Far East consortium from Singapore continue to weigh up their options.
An insider close to the deal told SunSport: "This American company has piles of cash behind them and they are turn-around specialists."
Fortress Investment Group was set up as a private equity firm in 1998 by mega-rich American duo Wesley Edens, 51 and Robert Kauffman, 48.
Four years ago dad-of-four Edens was ranked 962 on the Forbes World rich list with a personal fortune of around £770million.
Just one year earlier the magazine ranked Kauffman at 557 with a bulging bank balance of £1.1billion.
Fortress began as an equity company before expanding into hedge funds, real estate and debt securities.
It is unclear as yet if the corporate giants have been approached by Gers supporting businessmen trying to rescue the stricken club, who were plunged into administration last month over an unpaid tax bill.
Rival bidders are preparing to show their hands as the Friday deadline looms for new owners to prove they are serious about buying the stricken SPL champs.
Paul Murray and his Blue Knights, who include London-based John Bennett and Scott Murdoch and motor tycoon Douglas Park, still believe they are in pole position to snap up Rangers.
Ex-director Murray, 46, who has the backing of fans groups and ex-Gers gaffer Walter Smith, inists he is confident of formalising his bid in the next 48 hours.
Now he could face Stateside opposition.
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WRONG : It's Ameen from the newsagent on Rutherglen main street, not sure about the yank mind, let me look into it...
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14 Mar 2012 12:33:31
Mike McGill, former Ibrox board member and Murray Group financial director, said: "The club used an old offshore EBT scheme in 1999 with three players.
"That scheme is the subject of the small tax case.
"The Revenue provided some information to us in early 2011 and we conceded based on that information and provided for payment in the club accounts. Craig Whyte didn't pay it.
"The other, larger scheme, started in 2001, involves a payment into an offshore trust, but there is no contractual entitlement on the part of the players.
"The whole basis of an EBT arrangement is that there is not a contractual entitlement.
"That is key to the defence, and key to the allegations made by the SFA."
Murray claims he has yet to hear from the SFA or the SPL on the matter, saying: "I've never spoken to Stewart Regan (SFA chief executive) or Neil Doncaster (SPL chief executive) in my life."
BBC.
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So they admitted full liabilities in the first case,but not in the second.very strange.
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Every time D Murray goes public he puts his foot in it by contradicting previous statements and just plain telling porkies also.
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So caught out with the first scheme and had a second try after taking advice and started a second scheme. The language used is so matter of fact! FGS You avoided the tax and got caught and haven't paid it from 1999, but it's CW's fault?! Should have been paid by SDM when HMRC raised it. Can't believe the front passing the buck.
So the big tax case then, if not contractual so does that mean the loans are going to be repaid by the players who benefited in the larger scheme. No contractual reason for them not to repay the offshore fund then and RFC are off the hook for the tax and penalties? Smoke and mirrors....
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The small tax case which Rangers confessed to before Whyte arrived is a clear case of TAX EVASION, which has been admitted.
What is the SPL and SFA going to do?
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So three players by admission of guilt played illegally through a tax EVASION offshore scheme.
HMRC imposed a fine and it is fully accepted.
SPL and SFA and UEFA have to remove all honors from those years and impose penalties also.
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Clear case of green bias here, again. Hear only what you want to hear, just what you accuse us of? Let due process of law decide, and let us hope a fair hearing is still possible despite the spiteful, often ill informed, half-truth and manipulative hate campaign against Rangers. We wont die, we're not going anywhere and we're not f*****g cheats! and you know we'll be coming for you when this is all over, and your all doing "the broony" ....... in yer pants! WATP
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What I don't understand is that All rangers directors had regular briefings on such things. Some of them working at the SFA.
Didn't they think to take their knowledge of Rangers violation of the regulations and apply SFA due procedure?
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SPL about to hammer gers soon. Never mind the old stuff.
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Why would Murray go out of his way to state he had never met or talked to Doncaster or Regan in his life? He was never asked that!
Strange.
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Green Bias? If you look at the rules, not anyones interpretation of the rules but the actual back and white rules, they clearly state that:
"all payments, whether made by the club or otherwise, which are to be made to a player solely relating to his playing activities must be fully recorded"
That is from article 12.1 of the SFA's articles of association.
This means that even if Rangers win the Big tax case they should still be found guilty of fielding improperly registered players as no payments, contractual or not can be made to players outwith the contract registered with the SFA/SPL which the EBTs were not.
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''Didn't they think to take their knowledge of Rangers violation of the regulations and apply SFA due procedure?''
WHAT IF..... they applied due procedure and Rangers were not in violation of any SFA rule.
Its not that inconceivable to think that having knowledge of how the SFA work would benefit Rangers and help them operate within their rules is it.
I hope we are cleared of any wrong doing maybe that will stop the cheating cries from a set of supporters that wish their team enjoyed the success our have.
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Absolutely correct Mac.
Problem is the integrity of the SPL and SFA.
We the people shall find out soon enough.
UEFA gets copied on everything and all the fine points too so they cannot hide it.
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What I don't accept from D Murray and ally is the rhetoric about folks kicking rangers.
Professional criticism, keeping them honest is part of a democratic society. This is how the truth is eventually established and how fans get to know what happened to their money .
Honest criticism and asking the hard questions is kicking is it? So you do what u want get away with it and if anybody says anything that's kicking, that's wrong? NO TO PREVIOUS OFFICE HOLDERS - UNDIT.
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This is the only sensible post from the last week, TBH
I have heard that Rangers are favourite to 'not lose' in the BigTaxCase. The delay in the outcome is because of wrangling over what the law really says, literally the wording. In other words, Rangers have completely followed the letter of the law but not the 'spirit' or intention of it. But the law is what it is and so HMRC cannot win.
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14 Mar 2012 09:31:39
USA based firm Fortress has expressed interest in buying Rangers also a consortium from Singapore are weighing up options.
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4193153/American-big-guns-make-move-for-Gers.html
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I have read that fortress investment are interested in Queens park rangers, so this be crossed wires
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Brian Kennedy had confirmed interest in buying Rangers FC
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Keep in mind this was the jorno who decribed cw as having wealth of the radar
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Its in the Sun so it must be true. When will rangers fans wake up and smell the coffee? It is the job of the administrators to talk up proposed interest and bids for the club. What you must realise is that no one (bar CW) was interested in buying the club when there was no impending doom on the tax case, so why would anyone buy it with £9 million (conservative estimate) and the big tax case £49+ million hanging over its head suddenly decide that the club is an attractive proposition. IT isnt and thats a fact. the club will be liquidated and THEN and ONLY then will interested parties come forward.
Hail Hail!
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That will be the O'Donnell family who are very friendly with Dermot Desmond? hmm.
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These companies want to make money, not ship money. Why on earth would they be bidding for RFC ?
Rangers and sinking, and sinking FAST. No more white flags to wave. You will be better off at the bottom of the ocean. That way you can decay and rot. Just what you deserve after all the shenanigans that have gone on previously with your club.
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Eh, translates as "can we get some cash?"
I suspect "no".
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"These companies want to make money, not ship money. Why on earth would they be bidding for RFC ". The Fortress company are worth 27 billion, they are 'turnaround' specialists and are obviously pretty good at what they do and maybe they see the potential of Rangers. But of course before they make their move they should probably consult with you and your fellow financial experts.
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That will be the O'Donnell family who are very friendly with Dermot Desmond? hmm
no - that would be Edens & Kaufman who set up and run Fortress Investment Group.
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Once we get back on our feet we can rename the stadium FORTRESS IBROX
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Fortress are an investment firm who will invest an individuals private equity-so they would be bidding on someones behalf--fortress will not buy for themselves. People with serious money will invest through fortress and be able to be anon throughout the process
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The same Fotress involved in Millennium Development Group by any chance ?
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Yes Fortress are the same that w
as involved with the Millenium
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22 celtic fans clicked disbeleive because their ice cream is melting and cany handle we will be back next year to continue to be the worlds most sucsessful club
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Like the way when a paper runs a syory in any positive light about rangers its all 'paper talk' and bull s**t. yet when they run a bad story like dual contracts or liquidation or ridiculous tax penalties its all 'no smoke without fire' . 'got to be true'. double standards i'd say.
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I love how timothy cant wait to come and attempt to deny something that is right there for them to see. We will get investment and return to the throne. Saddle-up bhoys.
WATP
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14 Mar 2012 09:26:45
David Murray revealed he has spoken a couple of potential bidders and will help if he can. He added: “It’s important the club survives, not just for Rangers supporters but for Scottish football as a whole.”
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His last selection was excellent wasn't it. Perhaps he shouldn't bother helping any more
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Good we can relax because his vetting processes are second to none oh and he is really good with accounts NOT
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The man has some brass neck!
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As soon as Craig Whytes name was mentioned in taking over rangers I heard on other web sites that he was a liquidation specalist and the tax man knew fine well who he was too. David murray is lying that he didn't know what whyte was up to because if he looked into his background at all he would have found out whyte was a crook. So I wouldn't want any help from murray at all.
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Surely no one is continuing to buy into Murray's lies? He is the architect of Rangers, and most of Scottish football's, current problems. His out of control ego, financial mismanagement, inflation of transfer fees and wages and planting of good news stories by his media lackies have led to the downfall and cover up of one of Europe's biggest clubs. His attempt to now blame Whyte, who he could simply have googled to discover his true colours, is not only laughable but a huge slap in the face to anyone with an ounce of common sense.
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I think everyone needs to get off the lets rip into SDM bangwagon at least he has admitted he made a mistake, but he was right he did pump over 100 million in the club and we all enjoyed the players and success...do yous really think he doesnt want the best for rangers? i find that hard to believe, he took a gamble by putting loadsa cash into us when the SPL was still at a decent standard at the hope of attracting more income into the club, it has backfired on him now, but lets move on from it get our new owner and a CVA and concentrate on winning the title back of celtic next season
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Poster above talking about getting off SDM.... Is that you Sir Dave or Jim Traynor?
David Murray is an egotist bad businessman. I think he tells lies also.
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14 Mar 2012 08:51:59
As someone else has already posted, Brian Kennedy WILL make a bid for Rangers (see Daily Express today). He has stated that he will make a bid to buy Rangers before Friday and is prepared to stick with it if his is the best offer. However, he has repeated that he will stand down if any other offer is better for the club. This allied to the Blue Knights bid and the interest being shown by AEG and Fortress in America looks good. Eat your heart out Celtic so you'd better enjoy this hollow season of success, because you won't see too many more! WATP.
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Will any of the offers be acceptable? You get a lot of posturing at times like for free publicity.
I see SDM has started the "if only I'd known!" crap.
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Remind me why your daily grasping at anything a newspaper prints that looks favourable for your club has anything to do with celtic?The shame for you is that tens of thousands of your fans think the same as you and if you pulled your heads out the sand a lot quicker then maybe your club wouldn't be on a life support machine.
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Are you serious mate, there seems to be a collective amnesia; you still have the big tax case to come then liquidation. My advice to you is to enjoy the season it is likely to be your last
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Ah wouldnt gloat just yet m8, lets get healthy ourselves first and then get a strong team on the park..... then if we can gloat .....ENJOY
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Just a small point you want a buyer whose going to come in and spend big? Wasn't it spending big that got Rangers in this mess in the first place and I believe that most bidders except maybe the blue knights are all waiting for liquidation.
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I applaud your optimism but Rangers are nowhere near out of the hole they have dug themselves into. In fact they haven't even found out how deep the hole is yet. As a neutral well wisher I must remind you nothing has changed, nothing is resolved and if Rangers do come out of this in one piece, it will not be in any form you recognise.
Rangers policy of gambling 10 million every year on CL group stages is over, look East at your nearest rivals,that will be Rangers wage structure under any new owner.
Rebuilding a team you can afford will take time, I suggest patience will be needed over the next few years.
Good luck, I hope things work out eventually for your team.
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I want a new owner to come in & spend big - however not on players. I want them to clear the debt once & for all, then run the club within its own means!!
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Ed answer me this i reply to many posts they dont get put up but them from the dark side can post freely,to the first poster the truth is the fans have been in the dark to the extent of the crisis but we will not be liquidated the big tax case is not decided yet and also there are many legal people saying that u cannot sue in retrospect when the ebts were used they were legal,also SDM said yesterday that lawyers were used at the time to ensure they were operating within legal boundries {Ed001's Note - answer you what? You don't even ask a question, just whinge.}
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Liquidation is still the most likley outcome as the administrators have recieved no formal bids, only Paul Murray seems to want to avoid this and he doesn't have enough capital to save Rangers. RANGERS 2012 is coming soon.
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I am not from the dark side but if I hear " happy days " one more time concerning the present state of Rangers I will scream.
No sugar daddy is going to wipe out the debts or pay more for Rangers than it is worth. HMRC are not going to accept some ludicrous settlement while Rangers and CW go on their merry way jangling their pockets. High earners will not stay at the club, the club cant afford them. Ticketus is a can of worms for any new owner, the ground may have a floating charge on it and Rangers are out of Europe for at least one year with domestic sanctions looming.
Please please wake up, this is still a nightmare scenario.
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To the OP,
enjoy liquidation and 140 years of history washed doon the swannie. As for this season being hollow, I am afraid its only hollow if you are a rangers fan because that will be your trophy cabinet this season....hollow. So off you pop and wait on the inevitable son.
NL YNWA
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Lawers saying it was legal at the time - seems a pretty poor defense.
Number of english clubs have coughed up to HRMC and paid for past tax... seems rangers decided to fight this and have thier day in court - where their paid lawers can stand up and report why it was legal....
if rangers were silly enough to have dual contracts - and noone yet denied this charge - they were silly enough to listen to lawers whose claims would not stand up in court.
time will tell
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Oh I'm so scared. All the evidence points to Celtic being scotlands worst team for the next hundred years coz we are so poorly run and we are gonna have out trophies taken away for cheating and gonna be liquidated for tax evasion and eufa sfa Spl sfl are investigating us oh hang on a minute phew that's not us that's the other lot . You are the reason Celtic supporters are gloating watp = we are totally phukked ,moron
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Yet again a dhim tim swallows the gunk and finds us guilty before an investigation takes place. feel free to gloat once a decision is made and if its in your favour. However i suspect if we win the BTC and are proven to have not issued any second contracts then no doubt you guys will just reach in to your underwear and play the victim and paranoia cards, as usual.
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Wow hang on just a minute, i would love that to happen and it may well happen, however you have jumped the gun far too early, wait and see what happens, think about it thats why that lot are loving this even more because you and many like you are believing the 1st thing you hear, now i like your optimism but you are asking celtic fans to take the mick (no pun intended) but just hang fire be patient and accept whatever happens as it is not in yours or my hands. patience my friend patience. And bottom poster your just sad if you are that happy with your team go back to that page
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To the post above - is the fact that our club is on a life support machine of any concern to Celtic or their fans?.........exactly!.......me thinks you bhoys are starting to regret eating too much jelly n ice cream........we are on the way back........ALREADY!
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14 Mar 2012 07:56:40
My fellow bears could Justin king the sainsburys owner be about to bid for rangers? I have just saw him and mr Clark having breakfast together at the Cameron house hotel. Fact. WATP
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He is only paid £900k a year, this guy couldnt even afford to buy St Mirren
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He may be paid only 900k per year but lord sainsbury is f***in loaded, not that I think this will happen but then again I didn't think sir dave would sell RANGERS 2 a guy whom he googled & could only find a wee bit about him, imagine that a guy who is head of a multi million empire can't get any1 2 do a bit of detective work for him, oh sorry a forgot he f***ed up his business empire thats why he googled him
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He is more likely looking for a development site.
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Or maybe they're looking at future plans for the albion... :(
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Justin King isn't the Owner - he is just an employee !! But the major shareholder is the Quatari Royal Family they must have a Bi££ionaire or two who love blowing their cash on football clubs. -here's hoping eh!
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I work for sainsburys Justin king is in Scotland to run a sports relief mile in Edinburgh the same as he does every year he has no interest in rangers as he is looking to get into politics
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Yeh, to turn Castle Greyskull into a new supermarket. Bring it on !
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The new Ibrox sainbury's will be known as THE HECTORS HOUSE STORE.
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Maybe that had an assignation
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Ha, I work for Sainsburys. He was T prestwick running a mile for sport relief!
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(One of these days Ed will post my reply on here) {Ed001's Note - talk about a sure-fire way to ensure your post gets deleted!}
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14 Mar 2012 03:14:13
Fortress Investment Group based in New York which is worth 27 billion is ready to blow the Blue Knights out the running in the bid for Rangers.
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Rankers don't deals with foreigners according to SDM
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Why would any investment company buy a Scottish fitba club?
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Read and weep Celtic
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Brilliant! blow them away. just what you need a capitalist yank bank..priceless
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Aye and they are just signing the contract to hand £20 billion over to rangers to become the Global phenomenon they deserve to be eh??
what a chump!
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20 billion just about cover your tax bill..... remember in fairy land you get three wishes.....what are the next two going to be.
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Oh I'm sorry, I thought this was a Rangers fans site! Must have took a left at the sign pointing to bitter, twisted, broonybags instead of the sign pointing to the land of the free and the home of the brave ....... WATP and we'll not be letting you forget it!
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14 Mar 2012 00:09:33
American banking group setting to make move for Rangers.Source Tuesdays currant bun.
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This is what we have been waiting for. Yankee doodle dandy. Let the teddy bears rise again !
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True, here is the link
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/sport/spl/4193153/American-big-guns-make-move-for-Gers.html.
They are apparently worth a mere 27 billion and are turnaround specialists. Light at the end of the tunnel?
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Heard about this yesterday morning from a friend in canada was in the papers n that over there .. didnae want to say anything as a woulda been shot down. the 2 guys that own the company is in the top 1000 richest us list .. ma source says there very interested n is up for challengen against aeg n the singapore consortium .. wae these 3 type of bidders the bks has no chance of taken over rangers
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I suppose in these desperate times it is understandable everyone clutches at straws.
Try and remember what your company is worth and what its potential return to any new buyer will be. It does not matter how much money someone has, what matters is RFC's debt and asset balance sheet. Under a CVA no one is going to pay more than the asset value, assuming Ranger still have any assets.
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All the tic fans getting all there pals tae click unbelievable.
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It is not about how much they are worth but how much they will pay.
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To the above poster (The latest in a long line of posters attempting to put a dampner on anything positive out of Ibrox). This company are turnaround specialists and although i don't know a lot about their business I'm going to make an educated guess that they identify a company that is faltering, losing money and on the brink. But they see potential and guess what? Yes, they turn it around into a healthy profit making company and my next guess is that this particular company are extremely good at it seeing as they are worth 27 billion. So you see it does matter how much money they have because it proves they are good at spotting a failing company which can be turned into a successful one. Not rocket science.
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Craig Whyte is a successful turnaround specialist who found out Rangers break even on a 55 million turnover and lose 15 million on a 40 million turnover. The 15 million is the reward for the group stages of the CL, winning the SPL and a cup.
Therefore Rangers have lost 15 million this year and will lose 15 millon next year without cuts to playing staff wages.
There is no Europe next year and Rangers assets are valued at 20 million but who owns them ? You do not have to be a rocket scientist to work out that Rangers is not worth anything near the debt it has accrued nor is it ever likely to make the profits to repay any large investment.
Even without the Big Tax Case, Rangers are in deep deep trouble and to pretend otherwise is folly.
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There is nothing positive about a potential buyer until they buy.
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Well to be honest mate i doubt its all celtic fans clicking unbelievable, as i for one dont believe anything i hear until it happens so there is a good chance alot of rangers fans have clicked it as well, i am a rangers fan just to point that out. Celtic fans should stay of this site though as their slaggings dont even bother me anymore, i am more worried about whats going to happen to our team rather than getting annoyed at a bunch of deluded fans, who think if we go out of business that its good for them, as it quite clearly is not, they will not progress if rangers die the only way is backwards for them so i think they should take that in as well.
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To the post above. 15 mill gers lose per season if not in europe blah blah blah...
surely this is the challenge to a turnaronud specialist? if gers were not losing money they'd be a thriving business who wouldn't require a turnarond specialist. hence they wouldn't be in admin nor for sale. like the way CW is now a turnaround specialist who a few months ago was a conman. we know cos you told us!
never know a real turnaround specialist may choose to speculate to accumulate as they say. just a thought.
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