Rangers Rumours Archive June 15 2012

 

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15 Jun 2012 18:14:54
Has green just done scored a own goal by valuing the assets 12 to 20 million he's purchased for 5m ....could the liquidators not reassess the assets been sold on the cheap? ...just a thought as i see alot to come from this yet

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He's valued return on investment required at that level to sell, not the assets.

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Are we even 100% sure the guy has really signed all the paperwork yet & officially owns our club.

disgusted by the whole mess & that includes the walter smith far too late knigtht's bid.love walter as a manager but that was pure daft & he shouldn't have borthered {Ed039's Note - Yes he officially owns the assets that belonged to the old club, better be PC before we get the "your club is dead" posts)

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The administrator selling the assets within the hour of liquidation being decided for such a low price with zero returns to Creditors needs investigated.

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Any idiot knows d& p have undervalued the assets by a factor of 5

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Our club ends up dead thanks in part to Green and Whyte.
Oh, the irony. How we laughed.
But there is still an untold story of how all the other clubs vicariously benefitted from the 'success' of RFC. To the point of survival versus financial ruin.
Which will be starkly evident in the yearly accounts if the SPL continues with one less Glasgow team.

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What stinks is d&p dragging their heels over several issues in the 4 months in charge but sell the club to green within an hour of the creditors meeting

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Where the fack was walter for the last 18 months, J.A.N.C.

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If liquidators feel that the assets have been undersold they can bring them back into the liquidation process happens all the time unless they feel is a reasonable value.

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..Assets are only worth what someone will pay...he was the only one that put the dosh on the table and paid...that said i reckon by the end of next week he will have sold to Walters consortium for around £20million..which for a debt free club the size of The Rangers is a bargain...imo.

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Not PC Ed just C ;-)

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Yes, but that is the whole point,assets are what someone would paY for them.the avenue was never allowed to be explored.nuffin helps fixed a price that no one could contest.that is fair to creditors HOW ?

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Due respect to walter smith was a great manager but this was just silly a last minute bid knowing it would unsettle the formation of the newco hidden agendas here i can see why the fans were asking why didnt he come in months ago real strange move hope mr green has a good plan to be honest i will follow the newco

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Maybe Walter and Co are trying to flush out the truth. i.e. Green, Whyte and D&F don't have any money.
Mr Clark of Duff and Phelps said, “As a result of that decision, which was known in advance of today’s meeting, the consortium led by Charles Green is obliged to buy the club’s business and assets and that transaction will be completed imminently." 'Imminently' is subjective, as is 'obliged'.
Has CG really handed over the money or just made another 'commitment'.
Why would CW give up 85% security on something that cost him £18million and sell the only tangible assets for £5.5million?
I have no idea what will happen next, but think this is still a long way from over.

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Well if green's consortium didn't have the money they soon will cos now everybody knows that their is a profit to be made on their deal, anyway good luck to the guy, time for all bears to get behind him, let's no start on talks of boycotting season tickets just days into the new Gers. & if you decide to boycott rangers then you'll be putting less into the club than the average timmy that visits twice a year. try and defend that decision if you will

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CW didn't have much of a say. It's a new company - his shares in the old company mean nothing now. Also... I don't think CW actually put £18 mil into Rangers (recall Ticketus deal...) - the most he put in was probably the £1 to buy out Murray! The administrators had to sell the assets for £5.5 mil as that was the best offer according to them. Although whether CW will fight for the assets remains to be seen.

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"Assets only worth what people will pay?" this dosnt makes sense. If that was the case they would have been valued in the correct process you cant sell something to yourself and then think it wont be questioned because it will the previous buyers where judging value of the Club i.e assets plus the debt? not just the assets on there own Green has already done somthing that is legally close to being dodgy if the assets are found to have been under Sold they will be brought back into the liquidation process. Bear in mind as far as i can see 90% of the stuff that hase come out of Mr Greens mouth has been rubbish hes either a crook or just plain stupid.

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If I had £20million spare I would gladly cut a deal with Mr Green & give him my utmost thanks for the opportunity & privilege. On the off chance I'll buy extra lottery tickets for to-night. watp ns.

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D&P seem to only have considered selling assets as a "going concern" this is not thier main goal - they have to get maximum value for creditors.

If selling as not "going concern" would raise more than £5 million (for assests worth £20million+ ???) then they can be challenged on this ground....

and then liquidators need to get more than £5 million to prove thier point - and undermine D&P and thier claim to £5million in fees....

its a merry go round - but round 2 - BDO

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Green has nothing to do with the mess the club is in - he is the guy that's saved it (the football club,obviously not the business side). When are you guys going to cut him a bit of slack and give a bit of support. This false loyalty to Walter etc is embarrassing

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This is the way the Anorak sees it:

Smith & Co had no objections to Greens well backed consortium under a CVA, its commrecial viability was also a condition of the CVA.
However when the CVA was rejected Green's investors took flight, and left Green scurrying about to raise 5.5 million.
Green has no real financial backing for a plan B with the newco, he is winging it and is relying on the proceeds of player sales until season ticket money comes in.

It was obvious to all Rangers people that Green does not have the level of investment to stabilise Rangers newco nor the support of all the fans-players.

They believe Rangers newco will be in admnistration within months of its launch and decided to step in and take over.

I believe Green is a carpetbagger with no money and unlike Bill Miller, does not realise how much money will be required to restructure an atrocious business model, trading under severe footballing and financial impediments. Without the full support of the fans for 3 years any Newco is doomed to fail, the losses would be too great,
Smith and his backers believe Green's consortium is doomed to ignominious failure, threatening the very existence of Rangers.

I agree with their predictions, no investor interested in making money is going to pump in the necessary funds( 20+ million) to restructure Rangers, they would never get it back.

The only way of financing Rangers through its troubles is through a fan share issue, and under Green this will flop big time. As stated previously fans are not interestd in investing in Rangers to make money or to make someone else rich, they are interested in saving their club. Just ask any Celtic fan who has lost 87% of their investmet if i was worth it, and the answer wll be yes.

Get rid of Green before he runs out of money.

Anorak.

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I would imagine that Walter wouldn't come in too early,and be forever assosiated with taking the club into liquidation.This way he could still be looked upon as a saviour by the fans.Would any real supporter want to be tarred like this.Hopefully we will get Walter,or somebody like him that has the club at heart,and is not one of the vultures.As well as being an excellent manager,Walter has always struck me as being very honest,and I would go with that every time.

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We now have a poker game whee one the players does not care if he wins, because he cannot lose, he doesn't care about Rangers, he will always get back the 5.5 million in a liquidaion event.

Anorak.

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Assets only worth what people will pay?" this doesnt makes sense......................

Are assets worth more than what people will pay, does that make sense ?

D&P have invited bids for the assets for 4 months for goodness sake and 5.5 million was the highest bid, there has been nothing to stop anyone bidding for just the assets from the get go.

I don't care what you think the assets are worth, its irrelevant, you aint buying them. If you want to bleat about Rangers then at least make it plausible.

Anorak.

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The previous buyers where judging value of the Club i.e assets plus the debt?.......

Which part of CVA do you not understand, the debt figure has been irrelevant to all bidders since the get go.

Anorak.

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Green has already done somthing that is legally close to being dodgy.................

Green never sold the assets, he bought them, nothing dodgy about it, you seem confused about everything. Maybe we should start a thread entitled " confused rumours ".

Anorak.

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D&P seem to only have considered selling assets as a "going concern" this is not thier main goal - they have to get maximum value for creditors............

You are wrong, all bids were invited, it just so happens the assets were worth more to the creditors in a footballing context.

Its very simple if Ibrox, MP and the Abion car park were worth more than 5.5 million to any other buyer, then they woud have bid for the assets months ago.

They are obviously not.

Anorak.

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Have to say that Anoraks overview looks seems to make a lot of sense.

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Smith is as morally corrupt as the rest if he's been sitting on money until liquidation .....Has anyone asked him about EBT payments during his time as rangers scotlands and evertons manager ,a denial from the man himself will set a lot of minds at ease ....To much to expect from the "legned "mr diginty himself to step forward and explain his position ?....Crafty game sally is playing too...Most people can see right through his scheming ....TTTS

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Have to say that Anoraks overview looks seems to make a lot of sense......

It was widely reported by a number of sources that Charles Green was 1.8 million short of the purchase price on Monday-Tuesday.

This hardly fills one with any confidence considering the amount of funds that Rangers will need to survive for 3 years.

Even the most loyal Rangers fan will concede the average attendance of 46,000 will fall for 3 years. The club will be fielding an affordable but average team that will have little to play for.
One you remove the incentive for success then the field of dreams becomes the field of nightmares, and they will not come.

For every 10% drop in average attendances Rangers lose approx 2.5 million per year. Do the math, who is going to finance this loss for 3 years when the prize is to break even at the end of it ? Rangers average attendance could drop as low as 30,000, that is 30% drop in gate recepts of 7.5 million per year.

Bill Miller was not far off in my opinion, it will take about 30 million to right the ship and then the company will be like Celtic, a marginally profitable business waiting for the occasional 10 million European reward

Anorak..

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Don't know much about law but could hmrc not have accepted 9p in pound and still pursued individuals or would they be forfeiting that right by accepting.just a thought.

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15 Jun 2012 18:12:17
Rangers: SPL delays dual contract investigation
15 June 12 15:10 GMT

By Chris McLaughlin
Senior Football Reporter, BBC Scotland

The Scottish Premier League's investigation into possible dual contracts at Rangers has been put on hold.
Scotland's top flight is seeking clarity over the new company's responsibilities for previous misdemeanours.

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Confused, investigation should proceed to at least remove the tainted titles from the record books. {Ed039's Note - You would like that I suppose?)

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Surely there is a responsibility to get to the bottom of this debate and if infractions have occurred to make sure it doesn't happen again. And if there is innocence to make sure that is made clear too.

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Im a Rangers fan and i think if we have broken the laws and deserve to be stripped of titles then strip us of them. need to get rid of this image we have atm

Lord Nelson

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So this stops the titles stripping for now but it will come. It's needed to correct the records, put the crooked records straight, and return the SPL history to a true position of integrity. Currently the SPL history has no integrity.

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The dual contracts won't go away. And is purely a matter for old 'Gers only, not NewCo 'Gers.
But there are obviously more urgent matters to deal with since the fixture list is due in 3 days! The EBT question is old news and can wait.

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If the old club won any titles by some unfair advantage yes strip them off but it must be investigated properly if found not guilty keep our old titles as a rangers fan i want the truth

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@4 so you want integrity etc by having gers stripped of titles do you and I suppose you want these titles awarded to ? All in the name of sporting integrity etc

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Why will no one accept New Company means fresh start...with no history, nothing.no debt.please do not allow Walter and co..to bulls==t us..They have come in now too late, not 2 late for him I cant believe how much I admired him,but hey I am 27 ,married with a wee girl and the man I admired has feet of clay,,,,,,,,,,,,,WATP

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As a rangers fan i want everything out in the wash my good earned hard cash went into ibrox the truth must prevail at all costs even if it strips us of past titles sporting fairness comes firstly and the love of the game something the old guard forgot lets hope the newco take this on board i know everyone was against the old club and feelings are high just now but could some of the old spivs give the rangers support and the rest of scottish football an apoligy it would go a long way building bridges and an olive branch held out would be a start most rangers fans are pretty decent i know this is not our fault but we have get together behind the newco move on and hope the other spl fans will forgive all this hatred in scottish football is sad any thoughts fellow bears ?

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Well if Walt had no part in dual contracts he should state ths clearly now as its a fresh start for the gers, if he did he should apologise like wise with ebt;s and then we can put it behind usand then hopefully we can get on with rebuidling the club to 's former glorys. watp

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Sporting integrity in the open will do nothing for old Rangers standing in the eyes of almost all other SPL clubs Rangers were/are HATED 100% fans, players managers titles the lot. the sooner people realise this the better. SPL clubs dont give a s**t if Rangers are in SPL next year or not, they would all suffer just to see the Gers go down for ever. HATRED is a strong emotion andit runs thick in all other SPL fans veins.

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Confused, investigation should proceed to at least remove the tainted titles from the record books.

So, per-investigation, you know the Gers are guilty and what should happen in response?

are you confused as to the meaning of investigation? Does the result even matter to you or are you one of those that when things go your way, will herald the SPL/SFA as upright and if you don't get everything your own hate-filled way, deem them biased?

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It really is laughable reading loads of folsk banging on about integrity...

Everyone seems to think kicking gers out the SPL and stripping them of titles means 100% integrity. Can't you see the SFA and SPL have been making up rules as they have gone along here...explain to me how that shows any integrity?

Can't wait for all other fans to get behind the authorities and let them just destroy us, only for it to then happen to them in the future (i.e. rules being made up to suit the authorities, not to maintain integrity)....

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Be careful what you wish for Mr Celtic fan. think about it does it matter if you 1 player on dual contract 40, a breach of the rules s a breach of the rules ! I'm talking about Juninho here .... I do appreciate that Celtic corrected his EBT and paid back the tax, but doesn't disguise the fact he WAS getting playing payments that were undisclosed to the SPL ...... As Hibs, Hearts and Dundee players were also ..... So no real surprise it's been dropped !!!

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(regarding rangers) "HATRED is a strong emotion and in runs thick in all other SPL clubs veins"


I hope you know why that is.

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The problems are just mounting on already heaped problems for the SFA and SPL. All from this singular club.
The fact rangers fans in here and elsewhere
Just furiously criticise the games bodies compounds the problems.
For the good of the game Rangers needs to be quarantined away from all other Scottish clubs for a year.

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Rangers newco is considered a different club by UEFA, the SFA cannot punish the newco as if it is the same club.

Those wishing Rangers newco to be punished as the oldco cannot have it both ways.

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Anorak either your the old rangers or your not if your not liable for the punishment then your not liable for the history you cant have it both ways either

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As a newco The Rangers should be allowed to make a fresh start once its been decided what sanctions are to be taken, it shouldnt matter that much to the old guard if titles are stripped as that club no longer exists, the problem will be getting the cash together for the clubs who lost money because of the old clubs cheating, one things for sure it will run into millions more than what they owe already.

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15 Jun 2012 17:47:53
Rumour (highly probable) that Ally was used by Walter's group. Ally was told that Green was about to sack him and that he should resign first. Green had no such plans and Ally being used as a patsy.
Ally leaving Green on first day of NewCo exactly what Walters group wanted.
Rumour Traynor in on it. Trying to create the news rather than reporting it. Nae trying to be the media guy among the big boys and in with the agenda. Traynors agenda clearly to get rid of Green. It's all through his articles.

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How long did it take for you to dream up that c--p

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I have heard that it was King who told Ally

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JMcC fances himself as new Rangers mafia don, filling the SDM vacuum. The new richest man in Scotland tag.
JT and KJ on board with the agenda. Walter offered wealth and power. DK in the shadows. Ally hoodwinked.

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If carlsberg did conspiracy theories..... away back to bonnybrigde to look for UFO's

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No to the mccoist bit he aint that stupid, yes to the bit about traynor........

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Absolutely 100 hunner per cent mate.
Ally story just a total invention by 'Airdrie supporter' ha, Jim Traynor. The Daily record, what a fine paper what with keith 'off teh radar wealth' jackson & Traynor, you'd be better getting yer info from dodgy rangers rumours

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Ally cannae trust any them ever again.

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Dirty dirty business.

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And the point of this brilliant plan was what exactly?

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Why is McColl not on TV stating his money is behind Walter......... "I'll make Mr Green an offer he can't refuse".

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The anti Green agenda rolled out across the Internet yesterday including on here.
It was all to get him to sell the Newco for£6m. £500k profit.

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I could see how JT and KJ would do a favour for favours going forward. Get all the Rangers exclusives first, fans look to the DR for the news. They don't appear to have that relationship with Green. They wanted it with Whyte but he ran them out the Ibrox door.

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Its a total mess fellow bears skullduggery at its best greed ruined our club we must learn from the mistakes and move on hope the newco works out ok

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King has admitted he told Ally and is still saying it, I really think King another tax expert is the last thing we need

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Mr Green hopefully will soon learn to steer clear of Traynor and co who think that by writing their non stories they can destroy Mr Greens credibility Julie Ghirl

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Why would Jim Traynor be in on it ???
Get a grip on what little reality is left and rmember........Diamonds are for ever

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McCoist wouldn't fall for this. The same man who got us out of Europe, lost to Falkirk and lost a 15 put lead, got us knocked out of cup? No not our Ally. Surely not , he' s more guile about him?

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To be honest Ally strikes me as being a
bit low on the intelligence level. He is
allowing himself to be used as a pawn. He
should see if the BBC will give him a job
and get away from THE RANGERS.asap.

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I dont know what he was to resign from the club has died it does not exist. no club means no job thats what happens in liquidation

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15 Jun 2012 15:32:49
Guys, I want Walter and Co to be running us as much as anyone but I'm sorry but is it not just plain cheeky what they are trying to do? Let Green & Co do all the hard work and pay all the legal fee's etc to get to this stage then swoop in and offer between 6-7m? i know i was on here backing Whyte in the begining but lets get off Green's back for a while and see what happens. If Park & McColl really care that much why don't they invest.
Personally i think we will be in Div 3 next season no chance Hearts, Hibs, Aberdeen or United will vote us in. Think we'll see the older/lesser Rangers men like Alexander, McCulloch, Healy, Broadfoot and maybe a couple of the young boys will sign but the ones in their prime will be off. And McCoist has earned the chance to be boss again, That man put the team and club on his shoulders and carried us to the end of the season. The way he handled himself was impeccable!
Dmrangers

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Where was sir wattie and his mob for the last 12 months what a lowlife and you lot cant see it, a sad start for the newest club in scotland. timmy tim

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Ye, Super Ally handled himself real well, oops...except for the name and shame of the 3 individuals who dared to punish re gers!!

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At a guess waitin in the wings let sum1 else take the hit for forming a newco then save at least 50m poss 120m they r buisness men after all an just to really P you off ah hope against ma wishes they vote us into the spl, get that in ur pipe an smoke it :)

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Thats rich coming from a Celtic fan LOL. Looks at your own manager first and the constant abuse you have given referees. Remember when Hearts knocked you out the cup? Truly unbelievable

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I'm curious to know what way you guys (Rangers fans) think Celtic will vote:- For or against reinstatement into the SPL ? Serious answers only please.

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How much cash has walter put in the pot if any ? is he a buyer or just a dangling puppet for a few busyness men who see the opportunity for a quick profit walter walked out on rangers and said he had no regrets so why do yous suddenly think hes got the brain or the ability to run a football club yous are delusional

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I am a Celtic fan and in response to the guy who asked how celtic will vote? Clearly they have to vote no to the newco. Like Aberdeen they have to go with what the fans want. If not, they will feel the horrendous backlash from the support. I think this is why not only Celtic, but almost every other club will vote the same way. Feelings are running to high. That is my view. Maybe not what gers fans want to hear, but it's the mood of the people. Hearts and minds are set on this.

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I think Celtic will vote us in
Dmrangers

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I think celtic might vote yes it all about income michael kelly on stv last night said celtic should vote yes its hard to say i think there will be a backlash if we get into the spl i would be happy to follow the new club in div 3 tho if sky try to influence if the rangers club stay it could cause a lot of people in britain giving up there sky subcribtion even in england its a no win situation do we have a proper name yet as the rangers football club is a trading name only and we also have sevco its a real mess

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Iam a tim i think celtic will sit on the fence, think there will be enough votes against THE NEW COMPANY ,that it wont matter. {Ed039's Note - There wont be a sit on the fence option in the vote)

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So Green + Co have paid all the legal fees ? I think you wiil find it was the creditors !

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Kelly stated the tic position clearly last night on STV.
Of course Celtic will vote Rangers into the SPL .
They probably know that if we are voted in that there will be further sanctions to suffer.
The points deductions , 3 year European ban, fines, transfer embargo`s are nort enough for some? {Ed039's Note - No Europe for 3 years isnt a punishment, its a condition of any club old/new or Risen from the ashes of another club so clubs wont look upon that as punishment)

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Green & Co will HAVE to have payed their own legal fees to complete the deal
Dmrangers

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Kelly hasn't had any knowledge of Celtic business since 1994, you are clutching at straws here

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They do not call them the "old Firm" for nothing, Celtic will vote for TRFC to be included into the SPL in return for keeping to the voting structure and the money split....

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Thanks for putting me right on the Euro restrictions ED.
Kelly was only spouting what the majority of Celtic fans want.
A weakened Gers in the SPL to keep Celtic in worthwhile employ, whilst posing no immediate threat to their team.

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Kelly hasn't had any knowledge of Celtic business since 1994, you are clutching at straws here.
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Are we to take it then that you do not agree with his/Celtics stance that Rangers should not be deducted titles? {Ed039's Note - He actually insinuated that Rangers should be deducted titles)

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That was what I meant ED.
He was desperate enough to cite the Ben Johnson & Carl Lewis Olympic Final to get his point across re-1st & 2nd places when any impropriety may have taken place?
Was he in charge at the tic at the time or
is he just bitter? {Ed001's Note - why would anyone cite that as an example? People always forget Carl Lewis was twice tested positive for drugs in his career prior to that Olympics!}

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If they had their way, we would all be at The Hague. Blood Lust predicated upon vengeance.

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Celtic WILL vote no........ nay ....never......

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Deep down i think celtic would support a yes vote but it could lead a backlash celtic are in a no win situation too the loss will hit celtic too and the board know it i get the feeling all the other clubs are against sad to say

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Let them kick us out. We'll be back. Hearts will be next to hit the wall!
Broadfoot will be gone I think!

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"If they had their way, we would all be at The Hague. Blood Lust predicated upon vengeance."

Still no sign of the concept that RFC cheated for a decade sinking in with fans. Its not that Celtic are unreasonably asking for punishments that dont fit the crime its that former RFC fans cant accept that they deserve an appropriate punishment.

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I wouldnt count on the celtic saying no money talks remember i get the feeling they would say yes if there was no complaints

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Rangers fans don't accept punishment how many times have the fans said we deserve to be punished stick us in division 3 clearly you don't pay attention..... As for Celtics vote they may look at it as bein the best interest for them to vote yes but then again yoo never kno

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I am the guy who put on the post saying that Celtic and most other clubs will vote NO. The debate is so twisted now. Rangers fans in one hand (on tis site) are saying that Celtic voting YES (paraphrase here) "are after our blood" as there will more sanctions applied to a weaker Rangers. Some are saying a NO vote is (paraphrase again) " "they want us punished even more by no SPL football". Make your minds up gents. Maybe we should all just forget about it and shake hands eh? Or would that also mean something more sinister to some?

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Went into liquedation 10.35am.smiths plan on the table at 10.40,wee are being taken for MUGS.where have they all been.THE LAST FEW MONTHS,

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If UEFA consider Rangers newco a new club then the SFA-SPL cannot punish them for the actions of the old club, its simple, you can't have it both ways.

Anorak.

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All the talk of further sanctions being placed upon the NewCo seems a tad unfair. Consider if it was any other business that goes down the tubes and a buyer is found that is trying to keep people's jobs in place. Should they have to do that with one arm tied behind their back? Let the new Rangers start off in Div. 3, but with the absence of any sanctions. Don't lay the sins of the father on the children, etc....

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Hi Ed to respond to your question above I have too much regard for myself to consider his view. If you want to know my view then the newclub should apply to the SFL and take their chances on a div 3 start if they are lucky enough to get in. In terms of titles won by the defunct rangers they should be investigated and if there is illegal registration of players then the corresponding titles should be stripped and awarded to the second place club

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Hi Ed my response wasn't posted so i will try again. Mr kelly is an irrelevance to my opinion. As you asked i will let you know what i think. The new club should seek an application to the SFL and compete with other clubs with a longer heritage for a place. The now defunct rangers should be investigated in relation to illegal registration and payment of players. If wrongdoing is proven then they should be stripped of titles and these should be awarded to the next placed team.

As for Celtic's position i have as much knowledge about that as Mr Kelly, i don't think they will vote yes to a newco

I would be grateful if you post this contribution

best wishes

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15 Jun 2012 15:27:04
i saw walter smith walk into ibrox with ally mccoist and another man at 1 30pm today {Ed039's Note - Get me an autograph)

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Thought the man with no surname was in the south of France??

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No you did not,he's on holiday

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Was it Simon Templar

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He's probably on holiday with all the extra security that was always being "ordered" for outside Ibrox!
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I seen him going into a phone box taking his suit and brown brogues off and flying away.......DH

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Lol at least we can have a laugh ed g d do we need it lol

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15 Jun 2012 15:06:44
Gattuso signs for Sion

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Oh No, Wattie first signing, didn't anyone tell the Wee Rino that the likely lads were on their way back.

Bet we could pay you more, hehehe.

Wattie, Super Sally do something, the big hoose needs WEE RINO

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WOW.is that breaking news? Or were you sleeping all day yesterday?

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Gattuso doesn't to walking away. He doesn't do walking towards either!
Liah Smit

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Its even on the FIFA website of all places, definitely true

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He wanted to sign for a bunch of cheats either way

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I've seen alot of gattuso in the last 2 years and i can asure you that he would have offered very little to the team. he has seen better days

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Wee Rino knows more than he is letting on. He knows that there is more to come out of this and he doesn't fancy playing in the lower levels of Scotland. Blue through and through? Ha, money grabber more like. Beat it ya wee monkey traitor

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15 Jun 2012 14:40:44
100 FACT!!!

Just heard from a very reliable source Allan McGregor ans Steven Naismith agents in talks with Aston Villa about FREE transfer moves to Villa Park. Base Soccer Agency (McGregor) and Stellar Football LTD (Naismith) have been looking to shift the players since hearing the bad news on Tuesday. Lambert could have 2 very good editions to his playing staff for £0.

Laugh it off or take your heads out the sand for once.

Stecai {Ed039's Note - You can rest assured that all players agents will be trying to explore any potential loopholes, this is what agents do)

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There is no loophole needed, they can all walk for free.

There contract can be transfered and will then be honoured by the Newco, 'only if they want it to be'

They can 'all' leave, every single player on the books....for free. {Ed039's Note - That has not been confirmed yet, the SFA and PFA are in dicussions with FIFA for clarity in the matter)

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So, 100% fact, you heard a rumour?

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Well I suppose the Naismith to Everton story is complicated by the fact that Spurs seen keen on getting in Moyes.

Shrewd bit of business by Lambert if he pulls it off. Good luck to both players though wherever they end up. BB

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Spurs are not after Moyes, Ed001 and Ed007 have been saying on the Liverpool and Man U sites since Redknapp was sacked that AVB was getting the job. I bet him at 11-1 after seeing them saying it and now look at him. You guys should visit the English sites sometime, you might actually learn something or appreciate what ALL the eds actually do for everyone and realise what and who they know. Good luck btw Rangers, I'm actually a Liverpool fan but have a soft spot for Rangers and hope you guys can pull through this.

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If they are TUPE over to Newco they will have to honour their contracts or buy them out FIFA/UEFA Dont do employment law (the right to seek and gain lawfull employment)and it would set a precedent for every club with transfer embargo and also make the transfer windows redundant "dont wanna play for them am off I have the right to seek and gain lawfull employment" can of worms

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Under tupe it would be upto the players if they sign or not I was part of a tupe transfer from one company to another n it was join the new company or walk away although football may be different rules

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I worked for a company at a store we will say company a but the store decided they didn't want the company to renew the contract so employed company b to which under tupe rules I got a choice walk away or join company b to which I did a few years later company c came along and bought company b assets so now I work for company c without a choice unless of course I quit so if the rules in football are the same then the players would have no choice but to join the newco as there contracts are assets

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Whether the top players walk for free or for a reduced fee is a mute point, Rangers cannot afford them and they are gone. What would happen if they decided to transfer to Newco and no one wanted to buy them ?

Rangers would be stuck with their unaffordable wages, back to square one.


Let them go.

Anorak.

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15 Jun 2012 13:13:28
If Walter Smith does take over and Ally as a poor run of form, would Walter sack Ally?

Das Shadow

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Thats why it's a no from me.

Give green a chance, I'm fed up with the old pals act

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No, but a clause for the statement to read Mr McCoist has resigned

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Like last season ?

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Wattie and Super Sally, hehehe, sorry i need to get serious.

What planet are you lot on, Super Sally had a worse record than Paul Le Guen, Wattie spent all the money that helped to put Rankers out of business.

Would he sack Sally, hehehe, sorry i'i try and keep serious.

No he would just set him up again like he did last year, hand over the reigns of a sinking ship. This way no one looks at him.

Please, keep posting comments like this, it's making my day.

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Maybe he would just ask him to stand aside for teh good of Rangers like he did with Green yesterday.

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A poor run of form is pretty much guaranteed, if the players all move on.

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How does it make your day unknown poster,its just a simple question with a yes no answer

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With no players on the books, no preseason schedule, and no league to play in yet. Ally can't possibly have a drop in form! So no, he won't be sacked for that!

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Does nobody want to answer questions around here??

Ach well, let's be a rebel and reply to the OP's sensible question. The answer is yes, he would have to. I don't think Ally would want to be in a job which is otherwise untenable anyway. No different than dropping Ally from the the team all those years ago.

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Allys results have been poor for a rangers manager to be honest great bloke tho and player

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To answer the OP's question...Yes he would.
The club is more important than any individual.
If results aren't forthcoming,then you have to look elsewhere. And AM is one of us,he would walk if he he wasn't cutting it.
But to all the snipers,and rest of the posters,give the man a bloody chance!
He has been immense through this whole scenario. He is Rangers to the core,and this is what we need. Is anyone oblivious to the fact how much our club is hated?
And just to be it clear,it ain't only to do with the tax issues. This disastrous period in our club's history,has simply given our enemies(Haters) a platform,and a smokescreen to hide behind.
Our club needs all the "True Ranger's" it has got if we're to move forward.
Get behind whoever is in the Boardroom and support them with everything you can,we might just make it through the next 2/3 years if we stick together.
P.O.B.

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15 Jun 2012 13:07:55
The only reason gereen wants the players to transfer to newco is so he can sell them and make money. he says he will only be in charge of the club for 1 year at the most lol. Thats why we want smith,McColl,and Park Group in.

The reason for walter not coming in earlier, do you think they would have been able to save the old club not a chance, then they would have been blamed for taking the club into Liquidation.

YES FOR WALTER. NO FOR GREEN

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That is why walter came in 30 min after we were liquedated,so there would be no blame on him.he should have come in earliar,and stopped the liquedation, W,W,T,P,

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He did not say he would only be here for a year!

he has said that if the club is stable and as succesfull as he hopes he would take a pay off in shares and hand over to someone else.
no lies, no smoke, no mirrors

give the guy a chance FFS!

bil72

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Where were "billionaire" McColl, Park & Walter 4 weeks ago?
Civil War declared will only end one way...
also, where does it say Green will only be there for 1 year?
The man has saved the club from oblivion and now finds himself being turned on by the supporters of the club he could have had nothing to do with....
Very dangerous game the fans and supporters groups are playing....

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The two sayings no must be Celtic fans!
Youd have to be an idiot to want Green over Walter! {Ed039's Note - Not necissarliy, some Gers fans are annoyed Walter and his late knights left it far too late)

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To the OP,its ok to blame SDM or CW for liquidation , and its ok for CG to take rangers into liquidation ,then when the dirty works all done SMITH appears hands all clean tells green to moveover the RANGERS men are here and thats ok .... think anyone who agrees with that should take a good look at themselves, its shamefull............

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"he should have come in earliar,and stopped the liquedation"
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What planet do you live in?

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Both Greens and Smiths consortiums have the same Agenda ..... They both want to set the club up so it's properly run then sell on (read Walters statement properly) - I wouldn't mind the Smith consortium in charge but it's only fair they pay Greens lot a proper price - after all their the guys we havevto thank for tha club still being here for Walters lot to buy

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Let's see now. I have a billion pound ( 1000 x 1000000) . Let's say I take 150 of those millions and completely and HONESTLY save rangers from liquidation and settle all debts to all creditors or I scrape a poxy 6 million the gether

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If mccoll had made say even a 10 million offer for a CVA combined with a repayment plan for HMRC rangers would not have been liquidated, so they cant claim to be rangers men when it means so little to them as this sort of money is a drop in the ocean. no they are concerned with keeping his wealth

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If Green makes a quick buck out of this then good luck to him. If I was one of the Green consortium I'd take £6m now for a near-10% return.

But wait. None of this money is Green's, so he would make nothing. Oh well.

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Green only wants to make money?

You don't say and do you think Walter worked for expenses when he was at Ibrox. That 6 million bid was pitiful. Does Sir Walter think that's a decent price for Rangers. If so he doesnae value them does he? 6 mil? What CFC paid for Raphael whats'his-name.

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If I were a billionaire, I would gladly give Green his 15/20 million to go away, I would pay off ALL the OLD clubs debts, then make the team play with players WITHIN the finances of the club....leaving a legacy for my kids to share in and I am not even a Gers Man, so I ask myself why this consortium turn up at the last seconds of life to come to the rescue... Rangers men?? you can keep them.

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God you guys really think you are the people don't you. We are the Rangers we can do and say what we want, You are even dishing out Knighthoods now, This whole carry on is a joke. Smith and co are just users, He knew what he was leaving Ally with when he walked away for the second time, This week he and his co have once again used Ally as a kicking boy and that is just what they will do to him if they get control kick him right oot the door. Then sell the club on to the fans in a share issue then walk for the 3rd time Just before you go into admin again in 3 years time. Walter Smith don't make me laugh.
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No-one in there right frame of mind would come in and pay ALL of rangers Debts ie the 140 million estimated or so. Thats just saying ok DM ill pay all your dodgy tax, Mr Whyte ill pay you the money you promised Ticketus and pay all the tax you didnt pay. Thats not what mcoll could have done. he could however find out what clubs were owed cash from players, what creditors minus the taxman and ticketus were owed money and offered to clear them for the club. Cw and DM will get there uppence from the taxman. I fully understand why Walter and co came in at the last minuet 1. club was liquidated so no bad feelings about that. 2. no dealing with CW crap or his shares. 3. No having to clear Dm/CW tax dodging crap. 4. no having to deal with or pay anymore cash to duff and duffer who got the same amount of cash as the club was sold for???? 5.5Million seems strange that one eh.

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15 Jun 2012 13:04:01
As a gers man all my life, I just want to go and support my team. Financial controllers will come and go but hopefully the team will survive and, eventually, prosper. To continue as a team we must have a united front and any background disagreements, within the club, should be sorted out behind closed doors and not on the front pages of the tabloids.
Start with the facts as they stand:-
1. Green is in charge of the assets of the club.
2. If HMRC are as good as their word the previous regimes will be pursued in anyway possible to get money for the creditors.
3. SPL clubs will vote to decide Rangers's future in the league.
4. Futher punishments are imminent for the newco.
If anyone wants a share in the newco they must talk, privately, with the new owners and come to whatever arrangement, and then announce what has been agreed. This ridiculous situation of trying to stop fans buying season tickets etc. must stop, as this is primary school behaviour. We are talking about a multi-million operation and not a corner shop.
Mr Green would not have been my choice, but he does have the aces at the moment and where were all the great Rangers men when tough negotiations were taking place?
If duff & phelps have carried out their function and everything is 'by the book' then we just have to get on with it and take any blows that will come our way, but do it as a unit.
The sad thing about it all is the obvious anti-Rangers feeling by other teams. We should rise above this as they will soon realise just how much they need our[fans] money for inflated gate prices, the extortionate values that have been paid for players and tv revenue. Team sponsors and advertising will be worthless with no tv cameras there. I could go on but enough to say waken up and smell the coffee scottish football.
Finally, I never thought I would ever say this but it is most likely scenario is that Celtic will show the most common sense.

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Well said

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Well said charles.....deecee

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You are talking complete and utter nonsense. What you are basically saying is: if the fans don't like the way certain people are running the club then they have to sit there and just take it. The club doesn't need fans like you. Charles Green is no good for us, he has no intention in staying more than a year (his words not mine ). You realy have to wake up, he struggled to come up with £5.5m, he doesn't have the wealthy backers he wants us to believe. Hes a liar pure and simple, and the fans must do all they can to get him out now... or we will all regret it, 100% FACT.
Look what happened when we were all duped by whyte, i urge all fans.... DON'T MAKE THE SAME MISTAKE TWICE.

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The anti rangers stance of other clubs is fuelled by the return by your fans to your old bigoted ways your WATP crap belongs in a bygone era - support your team without discrimination and realise that for far too many people "traditional rangers values" evokes thoughts of flute bands and mindless bigotry move on and be grateful to shed a disgraceful history. I could weep to think that bringing the game into disrepute is all about financial irregularities rather than the shameful discrimination which tarnished the majority of your existence. {Ed039's Note - While I think you're post is a little harsh I do agree in a sense and hope that the new Rangers can leave this crap behind)

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Talking nonsense
What did you do over the last 10 years? When we were ran into the ground.

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He has lied already... Club will never be in debt, but tries to lump club with £8.5M loan for CVA

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Can someone please advise what Charles Green has done that has the supporters up in arms against him? other than saving the club from oblivion, when NO ONE else stepped up to the plate.

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Rangers are despicable, no two ways about it.
Your constant financial blackmail to bully your Newco into the SPL is just hardening attitudes against you. Be honest you've no chance of getting in. None. It'll never happen and history will judge those who kept the notorious SPL cheats out as men of integrity at the start of the 21st century.

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You can't support your team because they don't exist. even newco don't have any players on their books yet! {Ed039's Note - This again)

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Everyone keeps saying, including charles green himself... that without him the cub would have disapeared and that he saved the club from oblivion... Think i must be missing something here... charles green did come in and the club did disappear under his watch, he hasn't saved anything, he came in and sent the club to oblivion.

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Yes, this again. CVA or newco, same difference.

Anyway as to why we don't like Green? Takes SFA to court (OK that was D&P but Green was in agreement). Slags off HMRC. Threatens players with court action regarding contract transfers. Only a matter of time before he turns on fans, no?

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Green needs to announce asap the players in the new rangers team...

This will help SPL teams vote - cos if all under 19yrs then what good would that do in SPL - need competitve team or nothing...

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The main reason at the moment is the lack of humilty from " rangers " as a whole , while i can understand the fans being upset .
NOT one person in a postition of power from the day of administration has come out and said sorry , apologised , or shown any humilty or contrition . Maybe the feelings of other clubs would be better , remember that all these problems all stem from " rangers " that includes owners, directors,players and fans , they are all parts of the club , and with any team, you take the ups and downs as a team also the good times and the bad times and blame

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I think we should give mr green a chance let things settle everybody is getting to hotheaded i agree with above poster the watp brigade dont do us any favours keep calm bears

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I said this yesterday but think it needs repeated, we are chasing away the man who owns Ibrox, Murray Park and the Car Park....what is to stop him throwing his hands in the air and selling the above to the highest bidder? he came in when no one else did, his idea of the two football & business boards is a great idea, he, as far as I am concerned has not done or said anything wrong....it seems the media have not got "their" people into the position and so are using all their tricks to get popular opinion against them to get them out...I can relate to the issue with Walter and the fans wanting a familiar face, but think about it, back in 94, if the late Tommy Burns and Billy McNeil turned up at Parkhead as "The Bunnet" had secured Celtic and said follow me...the fans more than likely would have chased Fergus back to Canada, thankfully that never happened, Fergus came in told everyone why he was there, how long he would be there for and told exactly what he was going to do to get there......he left the place on a firm financial footing with a new stadium and new brand as well as being hansomly paid for his services, If Charles Green does half as well I will gladly back him. At this point in time I see no reason not to back him, lets think with the head instead of the heart and get the New club on a footing to move forward before starting a civil war between the fans....Bill.

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Our team doesnt exist any more. I hear some bloke from yorkshire is trying to get one going though using the assets be bought for a creditor shafting 5.5 million. Dunno why he thinks i'll support them.

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To those gers fans who are still following their team
Who is it really that you are following?
Its like Trigger and his broom. 17 new heads and 14 new handles but he swears its the same broom he's had since the beginning.
Just saying. Thistle fan.

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Fact is,it's still a broom,and it still belongs to Tigger mate!
P.O.B.

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I think you will find that any money HMRC recover will be to pay their bill not those of the creditors. The intention of HMRC is to recover the money withheld in PAYE & VAT that money id for the taxman and nobody else - Jaxie

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15 Jun 2012 12:58:17
McGregor is going to Arsenal

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Cool, he send you a text ?

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Where did u read that on the big mans twitter page

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Is this true cmon did greggsy tell u that

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Would surprise me - - it is well known down south tha the big guns don't think he is 'big' enough and is poor with cross balls

bil72

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A load of nonsense big gregsy wont leave

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As far as I heard he's been talking to Alex Ferguson {Ed039's Note - I doubt Fergie will have anything nice to say about Arsene Wenger lol)

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His agent has been in talks with Arsenal for a few weeks. I think he would be a great signing for us, Almunia, Fabinski, Mannone have left or are leaving and we need another keeper

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Why not he wouldn't have any competition

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Well he must have bought a season ticket because hes not good enough to go to largs {Ed039's Note - I dont think someone has been watching many goalkeepers the last few years)

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Only true gets fans know greggsy and he won't leave us in lurton he is no 1 at ibrox along with ally

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15 Jun 2012 12:43:05
It's about time all Rangers fans got behind Charles Green. He is the new owner n that is that, he's done all the hard work, put his money where his mouth is and won the right to buy us. It's time we stopped concerning ourselves with petty issues and going on about having real football or Rangers people at the helm. The bottom line, we don't even have a league to play in at this moment so we need to get behind our team, regardless of who is in charge, then once we have got out of the storm and everything has settled, the likes of Walter Smith and his consortium can then bid to take over but what's going on since yesterday's takeover is just embarrasing and is'nt helping the cause. Support Rangers first and foremost. WATP. Neil C

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Yes, WS's involvement looks more like a stunt. But in this crazy world of Rangers he could yet emerge as the owner.

But get behind Green? Doesn't follow. Sure, get behind the playing side and the manager if they're any good. But Green is in this as a business transaction (he has said as much) and as there is no money in football we can only ponder what his actions are going to be.

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15 Jun 2012 12:36:05
Rangers: Players free not to join 'newco' says law expert
14 June 12 14:51 GMT

An expert in sports law has backed PFA Scotland's claim that Rangers players can walk away from Ibrox once the club forms a new company after liquidation.
"They are no longer in a contractual relationship with either old or new Rangers," suggests David McArdle.
Charles Green, who leads the consortium looking to buy the club, insists that players would be in breach of contract if they did not join the newco.
But the players' union says its members are not obliged to join Green's club.
That view is backed by McArdle, who is senior lecturer at the University of Stirling's Law School and an editor of the Entertainment and Sports Law Journal and believes that no sanctions could be taken against players leaving to join other clubs.

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Sounds like there is some untested law here. But even so, Green did wrong by threatening players with "breach of contract" litigation in the way he did.

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15 Jun 2012 12:31:48
Anyone in HUman Resources whose even done a one day course in employment law knows the Rangers players were signed to the old liquidated rangers. The new club does not have their signatures yet on new contracts. These players can rightfully walk away to new clubs with heads held high. Green did not pay for them, he paid a ridiculous £5.5m for £100m of other assets.
Everyone knows the players can walk. What was remarkable was Green saying 'they MUST sign for the Newco' . Green should have acknowledged their freedom of contract on liquidation and 'asked' them to sign up with the new club.

They will be very silly individuals if they decide to stay. Nuts.

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Unfortunately I have to agree - although I'm willing to give the guy a chance ( as he was the last & only man standing after all!) - his handling of the players was poor - another part of the legislation for TUPE is a consultation process - don't think announcing on tv that you HAVE to come to newco qualifies as consultation.

bil72

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Green really dosn`t help himself here ! Making statements about players having to join TRFC when this is patently untrue ! If my work was liquideted tomorrow I would have no work to go to on Monday AS MY FORMER EMPLOYER NO LONGER EXISTED. How ca Green not undersand this ? Is the man an idiot ? or does he think everbody else is an idiot ?

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Under TUPE regulations employees terms ,conditions and contracts must remain unchanged when transferring to the new company . The employees however can choose not to transfer for a number of reasons and would become redundant .

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Well clearly the original poster knows nothing about Human Resources!

I work in employment law and the fact that a new club does not have signatures on contracts is completely irrelevant. When an economic entity is transferred, as in this case, the TUPE(2006) regulations are invoked. Employment contracts and all existing terms, including salaries, are transferred to the new company and there is no need for them to sign any new contracts as they simply inherit the existing ones. However the power in this situation rests with the employees and whilst they are entitled in law to transfer they also have the right to reject the transfer and effectively resign at the transfer date. The matter will be further complicated due to player registrations being held by the SFA and SPL but Green cannot defy British law or EU directives by forcing the players to transfer.

Sorry for the employment law rant but i've seen so much crap posted on here about TUPE by people who don't understand it.
CBP

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Don't know much about employment law, but I know a little about company law. Enough to know that on this site the words "company" and "club" are often confused. CG has created a new COMPANY to acquire the CLUB (itself a misleading name as it isn't really a club, more like the right to be playing as Rangers). Also the acquisition came before liquidation, so liquidation doesn't come in to the discussion. In a way I think CG is technically correct regarding TUPE however he's blown all goodwill with his comments and may well have done enough to give enough reason and strength in law for players not to transfer.

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There is always the chance that UEFA/FIFA have a different law??
;-)))

bil72

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Bil72

UEFA/FIFA may very well have a different ruling, but that won't wash with the European Court of Human Rights, which is where this will end up if restrictions were imposed on the players. Remember Bosman?

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15 Jun 2012 12:12:33
Im, skeptical about this new bid from the new Blue Knights, its old rangers people who were involved with Murray and Whyte who are now trying to get the club back cheap after Charles Green took the heat from the HMRC.

There's a reason Walter & Co never put forward a bid early on and that must be either they too don't have the money or they knew like Whyte the HMRC wont be dealing too kindly with ex directors.
Could we storing up problems for the future by letting the ex Rangers men back in. Every so often a club has to change ownership and its time Rangers did now, the old guard have been around too long and are not going away quietly, in shame after killing our club!

We need a period of stability and distance from the old Club, HMRC can come after any assets they feel ex-directors are benefiting from after past sins!

I dont know why the fans are so distrusting of Green, he's made it obvious he will invest in Rangers to make them great again, and will be honest with the fans, thats what we need a good owner with some sense.
The ex-directors think they can get it cheap if the fans don't buy the season tickets!.

But whats really gonna happen, if we the fans dont buy the season tickets, the SPL will say fan number not high enough, down to division 3.

For Rangers to make a strong recovery we need to invest, its disgraceful that Walter & Co are coming in at this late hour and causing this distress and splitting the fan base, it could kill the new club altogether.

The HMRC wont stand by and let Ex-Directors in again! Buy your season ticket now and quickly if you want to save our great club!

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GREAT POST. WE NEED ALL BEARS TO FOLLOW FOLLOW THE NEW CLUB. THE LIQUIDATION WAS A LONG TIME COMING. WE NOW HAVE A SECOND CHANCE WITHOUT THE BAGGAGE THAT HAS HELD US BACK FOR SO LONG. LETS LEAVE THE PEOPLE WHO WERE A PART OF IT WITH THE OLD CLUB. THE RANGERS F.C.

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Charles? {Ed039's Note - lol)

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Spot on Watty & the rest had their chance but Green has taken all the flack regarding liquidation yet this mob think they can now just push him aside & act like they are the saviours! lets get it right Watty, McCoist & even Park were all mattie with SDM etc & knew what was going on but turned a blind eye as it suited them.

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I agree brand new club with brand new guys. No old smell leftover. Fresh and bright.
Waler Smith is history, old news, a bad smell. From the tainted past. We need to move on.

Returning to old watty is misguided loyalty from emotional baggage. Trying to get the good old days to return from a bygone age never to return.

IMO Ally needs to go also. Too much baggage now. Need totally fresh approach.
Buy our tickets and move on.

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I agree with the OP apart from one thing - By all means buy your season ticket but DON'T buy it quickly! The season ticket renewal you currently have is for the OLD club and if you pay for that now you will only be giving money to the liquidators - you won't be buying a season ticket. Mr Green needs to issue new renewal forms for the new football club once we know where we are playing next season.

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Didnt realise Green and friends where allowed to post on this site...... what a lot of utter rubbish Green is one of Whytes friends jeez

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Green struggled to get 5.5 million worth of investment, what chance do you think he has of getting investors to bankroll Rangers inevitable losses for 3 years ?

Rangers can be turned into a break even business but it will take 20-30 million, investors want profits and a return on their money.
To put things into perspective, FM saved Celtic, turned them into a break even business and made a few quid....but he sold the fans the shares at £2.80 and they are now worth 34p.

Celtic fans in effect bailed out their club, and Rangers fans must now step up to the plate or their club will sink into oblivion.

No investor is going to RISK serious money in a club with a limited profit making potential, and Rangers needs serious money.

Anorak.

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Well said charlies cousin

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"The HMRC wont stand by and let Ex-Directors in again!"
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Who in Smith's consortium are old directors?

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C ant belive 9 people hit the agree button with this useless post,,is it timmytime again....trueblue....

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The best post on here for months you nailed it on the head lets get behind mr green i will be following on time to get rid of these guys for good where were they when the chips were down nowhere to be seen lets rise from the ashes of the old start anew and learn from our mistakes time to move forward fellow bears get behind the newco i dont walk away

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Anorak, FM made a few quid? 30 million to be exact.

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I'd be a bit happier with Greene if he didn't keep changing his story regarding investors.Is anyone sure yet that he actually has any?

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15 Jun 2012 11:42:02
Feel extremely let down by money men at rangers, past present and potential future ones. The fans needed them and they done nothing. Jim mccoll one of scotlands richest men now appears. Too late. Why did he not join up with Kennedy throw £30 million to cva ( a lot yes ) covering maybe 70p in pound.

They could have got this back in summer instantly by selling assets like mcgregor davis naismith and anybody else they wanted. This could have covered whytes shortfall in tax and kept rangers alive. Now because a newco the players might be able to leave for free..madness . sad and angry bluebear

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Are most rangers fans daft??

reason walter n his merry men did by rangers before is because they would have had to pick up any result from the big tax case, now that rangers have no liability for that they want it and are trying to use bully tatics by saying the fans dont want green.

green has done everything he has stated so far, so give guy a chance and get behind him and stop hanging on to walter smiths every comment!!

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The reason McColl is worth such a huge sum is because he is an astute business man. Why pay £30m for something and then potentially be hit with the big tax case bill when he can buy it for half the price debt free.

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They're not real supporters.
They support money first. Then some other things including their egos.
Rangers comes a long eighth or ninth.

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Thats why these people ar rich thay dont throw their money down a money pit thay wait to pick the corpse clean at the cheapest price

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Yes they support money - usuallt other peoples!

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"green has done everything he has stated so far"
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There has been quite a few lies along the way.

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There is no " might " about it Bluebear - the players can walk away if they want to. The vultures are already circling IE Arsenal, Aston Villa to name but a few.
Better watch out bears - the newco could end up going the same way as the oldco. {Ed039's Note - There is no clarification on this, there are grey areas, SFA and PFA in dialogue with FIFA regarding the players contracts)

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You are right to an extent ED039. Under employment law the players can refuse the transfer and effectively resign from their employment. Where there might be an issue is with the player registrations and whether UEFA or FIFA would allow them to be registered elsewhere with another association. We know these organisations rarely recognise the law of the land and use all sorts of threats to enforce whichever stance they take.

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Good point fellow bears we need to look at why they never bought the club earlier the new club should belong to the rangers fans only

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Where there might be an issue is with the player registrations and whether UEFA or FIFA would allow them to be registered elsewhere ... true but uefa brought the rule 3 year ban for newco because it doesnt like clubs ripping of the taxman so i cant see how they would want to rule against it

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15 Jun 2012 11:39:35
Ok so its widely rumoured that Green
may walk away for £12 -15m.

Walter, Jim McC, D Park etc are said
to be offering in the region of £6 /7m

Surely Kennedy & Paul Murray
should come in to join up forces
with Walter's dream team to make
this deal happen or do you think they
already are?

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Paul Murray doesnt have any money. Neither did Kennedy.

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In an ideal world that would be great however Jim McColl was asked to the joining The Blue Knights(by Murray and Kennedy) months ago and McColl told them he wasnt interested. I Cant see TBK approaching McColl now with the rolls reversed

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Bears we need to realise these "rangers men" didn't do enough when the club really needed them to. they are taking advantage of our loyalty and we really need to get real or we will end up with a bill miller situation where we shoot ourselves in the foot. charles green has put his consortiums money where his mouth is and for that we owe him our support. without him there would probably not even be a newco.

bigbluebear

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15 Jun 2012 09:05:46
Walter could set up another team (or buy a 1st div SFL team), take all the current Rangers players (who are free to walk) with them and play the waiting game to get back into Ibrox

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Aye, heard the rumour that next year there could be two Rangers, one playing at Ibrox the other a kind of Cowdenbeath Rangers with Walter & Ally at the helm.

Well at this moment in time can we really rule anything out?

Out of interest guys, who would yous support if this actually happened?

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The arrogance [even at this late stage] being shown to other football clubs in Scotland is breath-taking and does not nothing but further tarnish Rangers, once good name,

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Let's show that we have dignity and seek entry to Div 3 rather than put the rest of Scottish football to the bother of deciding our fate. We cannot blame anyone else for the position the club is now in but ourselves

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Walter should walk away from this mess . to good for that place

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Great idea, just what rangers need , the support divided even more, ffs get a grip!!!!!!!

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15 Jun 2012 00:07:18
Walter Smith consortium with features Douglas Park and Jim McColl. Has been quoted £15million to buy Charles Green and his consortium out.

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15 million sounds reasonable after what he put into this mess, trying to come up with the best solution. After all it's 'strictly business' something he announced at the very beginning.

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Shows green is prepared to be reasonable a fair price

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Heard Tom English brand this figure on STV Scotland Tonight. So they're something in it.

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The bellated bid by the Walter Smith consortium after the Club was liquidated has highlighted this has been a tax scam from the beginning. They have waited and sacrificed 140 years of Rangers history to wipe out millions in tax owed to HMRC. For their own integrity if they even know the meaning of the word Rangers should start in Division 3.

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Well if its true why didnt they put the 15 million bid into d&p months ago ??

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I hope walter is serious with this.With a billionaire on board 15 to 20 mil aint that much.At the end of the day liquidation was always going to happen so you cant really say why now why not 4 months ago.But i worry now that if this does not materialize that walters name will end up tarnished.I am ready to back spend my money and hope for the best but not under green.Oh does it not make anyone else laugh that under green our new chairman is a mr murray thats just to freaky lol.

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If they this new company is worth £15 million, then they should have bought the old company for that and the money should have gone to the creditors. This is all wrong and I am proud no longer to be a bear.

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If that can come down to £10 million it would be a great deal & I would think Mr Green would be worthy of all our gratitude. Even right now his efforts are worthy of gratitude & if he makes some money good luck to him. WATP NS.

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Its 20 million. and why are some people continuing to say 54 and counting?

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No they have not 6.5 million was the offer & the answer will be no thanks I'm an Everton fan feel really sorry for the Rangers fans nobody seems to really care about the club 15 mill should be the offer but still people trying to get something for nothing.

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It was allways goi9ng to be the case that Green's consortium was in it for money, so ofcourse they want a profit on what has been spent to date.
I think if Walters consortium are serious they will have to come up with the asking price.
I'm not suggesting all rangers should sit back and wait to see of they can raise the cash.
It's time now for anybody who can help out does just that.
I am a small business owner and would be prepared to put up some cash to help Walter's consortium raise the asking price, i know of a few other who would be prepared to do the same.
Surley if we can all get together we can achieve our aim.
I dont know how to contact walters consortium to suggest this if anyone can point me in the right direction please do.

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SFA won't allow Rangers to stay in the SPL

Fans will not subscribe to new season ticket books in sufficient numbers to encourage Green

Players will walk

Green will do a deal with Walter who has not been tainted by liquidation

Rangers will start again in Div 3

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Like i keep saying. Why now Walter? Where wete you and your mates a few weeks ago??

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15m is ok the ground and facilities cost well over a 100m and they are not associated with the liquidation so Let's see where these money men go, or are they wanting the glory cheap as well

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Why does the smith consortium not join with green The potential money in the two consortims would be imense

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£9million profit for less than a months work! wish I could get some of that.

150% gain on the initial purchase. Goes to show that Greene has stolen them in the first place

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WHY would we go back down the route of wanting accomplices of the biggest fraudster in Scottish footballing history running our club ?
have we learned nothing from this where were they when chips were down why wont they join the green consortium with a seat on the board could it be that there is not enough % profit in it for them what are their plans for the club where is their transparency? So far their has been only one group that has did what they said they would do and put their money were their mouth is not just got a blogger to badmouth the opposition by giving him the impression that there is a job in it for him

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HMRC wont deal with Ex-Direcotrs of a compnay that owes millions, its not just Whyte and Murray! They let Green take the heat for the liquidation and are now trying to get it back cheap and debt free !

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If true why did walter not offer 15 million for cva pot he would have been in the driving seat with 3 x the green bid with 27 pence in the pound going to cva pot more tempting offer to creditors it could have saved our club as was

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Because if they had they would had to go for a cva.. God forbid it was accepted & they have a club for 15m with huge tax liability haning over it. Remember they will never be known as the consortium that took the club to liquidation only the saviours....

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Walter Smith came out on the side of David Murray after Whyte went into admin. Walter said Rangers was financially a well run club up until Whyte got it. Total lies. Walter was on an EBT, he recruited players onto EBTs.
His parking the bus style of anti football was dire. This stunt is only mischievous.

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Walter stated Mr McColl is not putting all his money into the club. He is giving a sum of money to stabilize the club and then let the fans get on board and run the club. There will be no multi million pound signings.

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"Its 20 million. and why are some people continuing to say 54 and counting?"

Why not? The company that was/is being liquidated had only been around since 1899, but the history pre-1899 is counted in the tally. The honours stay with the club which has just been transferred to another company.

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Couldn't agree more with the comment - why not months ago - The new group have watched the old co die along with its history - everyone who is involved in any of these groups now is tarnished, Walter included - Green at least has been consistent and taken most of the flak in the last few weeks - what a pantomime and what fools we're making of oursleves across the continent and beyond. Let's show some dignity and settle for SFL3. Anything else just looks pathetic now.

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Green is not being offered 15 million.

Anorak.

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To the 7th reply,im glad your no longer a bear,probably never were one.....trueblue....

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To the above poster that was very harsh we might not all agree sometimes everyone has opinions ps and im not the person who replied

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14 Jun 2012 23:55:38
Posted by Stu

"I urge all Rangers fans not to renew their season tickets as without our support he won't be around long(Charles Green).We need rangers men to the core to move us forward."

Without our support Rangers wont be around much longer

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Im not walking away i believe through time mr green will turn the new club around i will be still going to the games

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Rangers men like murray and craig whyte...good call.

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This new owner seems a straight talking yorkshire man i giving him my support no way am i walking away this latest tactic is a ploy im not falling for it where was smith when the 134 million debt hanginging over our old club ? hes lost my respect angry bear

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"Without our support Rangers wont be around much longer".

Eh..Rangers aren't around any longer.

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Though The Streets Be Broad And Narrow As Follow We Will
Follow We Will Follow We Will Though The Streets Be Broad
And Narrow As Follow We Will We Will Follow In The Footsteps Of
Our Team God Bell Us
Follow Follow We Will Follow Rangers Everywhere Anywhere
We Will Follow On. Dundee Hamilton Aberdeen And Back Again
If They Go To Dublin We Will Follow On
For Theres Not A Team Like The Glasgow Rangers
No Not One And There Never Shall Be One
Celtic No All About There Troubles
We Will Fight Till The Day Is Done
For Theres Not A Team Like The Glasgow Rangers
No Not One And There Never Shall Be One.

Read the lyrics remember these if your in the 3rd Division.......

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Mr Green is a shyster who is trying to buy assets on the cheap 5.5m for these assets is hysterical. "Get Real" BDO Liquidators will eventually what to bring these back into the lquidation unless 5.5m is a fit and proper estimate of there worth.

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Are you people for real ? this guy has just saved our arse ! We don't need Rangers men we need money men who can invest in our great club and have the backing to take us forward from wherever we end up wether it be in the SPL or the third division. So get your head out of your backside and smell the coffee. If walter and the rest of the so called Rangers men really wanted whats best for the club they would get on board with Our new chairman get some investment in and help to get the club i have supported and loved my whole life back on its feet and back to putting the bomb throwers back to where they belong......second best !!!

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Walter and his consortium would have been tagged as being in the mix to liquidate us that's why they did not come in before they did and the administrators had already done a deal with Green. We trusted Walter before and he has the respect of all in football SO LET'S GET BEHIND " HIM " he's a true bear

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Green certainly is not Rangers!!!!

Smith most definately is.

GDog
WATP

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Are people really falling for this. If Smith and Co had killed the real rangers people would be walking away, now they look like heros and they are going to right royally shaft the creditors. The lot of them should be locked up.

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OK Celtic fan here in peace.
I had my doubts about Green but to be honest he could be your Fergus the bunnet and just might suprise you all, stop the in fighting get behind your team and buy your tickets. To other supporters now is the time to put this to bed there has been enough bitching and slagging get behind the true Bears fans get them back in the SPL and lets see if we can change our game up here to what it should be, we all need to change now and this could be the start of a change for the better for all our teams, lets get rid of the bigotry of the past and move on to a better future for us all.

God bless SCOTLAND

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Have you ever thought about the consequence's of empty stadium for weeks on end? How about this no money coming in green gets desperate and sells to another person, not a fan but developer keeps front of ibrox

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Haw you ever thought about the consequence's of an empty stadium for week upon week? How about this no money coming in Greene gets desperate and sells to developer who keeps the front of ibrox intact in his development plans for housing or retail centre. And instead of going to games rangers fan sit in the pub on a Saturday afternoon collectively saying remember when we used to go and watch the rangers. Not a pretty thought is it?

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And exactly who other than green was willing to take the club forward ,if the bk were genuine they would have been in there ages ago ,i cant beleive some of the gers fans that want to boycott season book renewals ,how much longer do they want this mess to go on ,just remember coronation st started round about 1960 and its still running ,me personally i think charles green is 10 times more genuine than what craig whyte was ,if walter ,douglas park ,and jim mc coll have rangers interests at heart they will join forces with charles green for the good of the club doug t.s.o

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"Move us forward" fella we are finished, still more punishment to come, time to put the sick animal out of it's misery. maybe scottish football would be all the better for it, let the trolls continue to drag their knuckles down the street spouting the old bile that is looked on as "tradition" with no RFC hopefully the tims will mellow their religious out pourings to the benefit of all.
Goodbye.

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Boycott season tickets and according to Stu, Rangers wont be around much longer. This statement would of course be true but, for rangers fans is cutting off your nose to spite your face the right thing to do. Only rangers fans can answer this one.
Rangers fans according to another post should turn up at Ibrox at the weekend as if it was a match day and demonstrate. Ask yourselves this question - would that be like demonstating at an empty stadium like the last time a demonstration was callled. Would Charles Green the yorkshire man even be threre. If you want to organise you first of all have to be organised.
Rangers fans have missed opportunity after opportunity to shape the future of their club by being reactive rather than proactive. Here's a tip for anyone wanting to demonstrate. Before you decide on a date, time or place find out where the people you want to demonstrate against are going to be. Have clear aims and objectives and make sure those who want to buy your club are seen publicly in attendance at the forefront of your demonstration then at least you may have a fighting chance of achieving your goal. If they refuse to participate with you for any reason ditch them as this will be a clear signal of their lack of comittment.
A word of caution business men no matter who they are don't play by the same rules as the punters that includes those some of you are now choosing to support.

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If we dont back green we could go into admin again! He now owns all the land and that alone will be over 5.5million forget all the players they will move on! Suicide!

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If their so concerened about Rangers why doint they join the only man who has put up his money and take up his invitation to join the board or is there not enough ££ in that for these so called RANGERS MEN

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After thinking long and hard abouut yesterday's events I feel some sympathy for Charles Green.

The 'Rangers men' had their chance and blew it.

They made an utterly derisory offer for the club's assets. Does any bear believe the club is only worth 6 million? Much too little just too late.

And the idea of telling Green just to step aside was frankly laughable. Put yourself in his position, would you?

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I am a Celtic fan but jesus christ can you lot not see what is going on here?

Green owns the club. In fairness to him, he was the ONLY buyer at a time when Walter and his consortium could have stepped in and saved the OLD club from going bust.
If you do not buy season tickets then in 12 months time (or less) you will be back to the same position as you are now, even worse if you are in the lower divisions, as who will want to buy an twice failed (in 12 months) company?
Cut you cloth accordingly and take what ever punishments are coming, but you HAVE to stick by your club or this newco will end up being wound up and another newco will be up an running...... that will be a diluted version of this newco, so that will be even LESS of a conection to the original R*****s FC.
At least Green has a plan, what are Walters plans? does he even have a plan? being a legend doesn't make you a good owner, what business accumen does he have?

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Stu you are deluded. Dont you realise that it was so called rangers men that brought our club to its knees. We must give Green a chance and if he sells on for a profit then so be it. I will be buying my season book as usual. Im totally disgusted with Walter and co now trying to take over. If they love the club they should have expressed their interest long before this. Jalbo

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I have heard this we want rangers men to run THE rangers but wasnt it rangers People that ran the old rangers for all those years and look where they are .

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C Green only just struggled to raise the 5.5 million this week, how he plans to finance the inevitable losses in the first year without the full support of 46,000 fans is beyond me.

If Green does not do a deal then Rangers newco will be in administration within 6 months.

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Rangers men are who put us in this mess you trumpet
where was walter mitty months ago
time to let green do his job
govan ted

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Exactly Mr Green as he said if it were not for him there would be nothing !

And I agree with the poster we need astute bussiness men to run the club not the rangers of old all out to line there own pockets at the expense of our great club ! I hope HMRC does nail them for bringing our club to this as it is criminal what they have done !! WATP LETS GET BEHIND " THE GLASGOW RANGERS"

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I think you need to take a settler my man.

Green came in when no one else would bother to give us time of day.

He has followed through on the deal even after a set back of failed CVA.

He has made a few media blunder granted but why should this mean he is bad.

Smith is too late with the deal and I dont buy into this he wasnt wanting to be man to liquadate club nonsense.

And this RANGERS MEN ruccish gets right up ma wick.

It was RANGERS MEN that shafted us in the first place.

Smith included.

I love him for the trophies and support he gives the team, but he wasa murray man and on multiple occassions reacted with anger to the fans who dared to ask questions of murray.

John Greig another RANGERS MAN.

Rangers men dont mean Rangers success.

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Wake up do you a new Rangers with honest men at the helm who have so far managed to keep the club going, or the old shyters back, dont forget for one moment when the SPL have examined the Double contract a lot of those trphies will be revoked.

Theres a lot of s**t still to come, EBT, Doubel Contract, FIFA, if the old Guard get back in we could be banned from Europe for twenty years!

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"Rangers men are who put us in this mess you trumpet
where was walter mitty months ago
time to let green do his job "
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So you would rather Green floated Rangers on AIM and kept all the profits, as opposed to Smith stabilising the club, floating on AIM and investing the profits in Gers.... Genius.

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The point is cant you trust green he lied about investors 20 on board he lied about hart been on board he was not flavour of the month at sheffield he tells what the fans want to hear changing the name of murray park etc .,no thanks i will go with walter consortium as a now previous small share holder and debenture holder i do not want to get mugged again . {Ed039's Note - Time will tell I suppose)

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"he lied about investors 20 on board"
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He also lied about Gers never being in debt again, tried to lump £8.5M debt for CVA.

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Genius

well if smith had all this in place where was he in our hour of need

if green makes money so be it
he wasnt the one who put us in this dire position and may i add smith was part of the problem

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Fellow bears this is heartbreaking lets stick together true mr smith and mr mcoll were nowhere to be seen in our darkest hour give the new owner a chance see how it goes its a split support now

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A parcel o rogues i agree we need new blood lets look ahead to the future lets rebuild old mob knew what was going on result liquidation and should never be forgiven a sorry to the gers fans and the rest of scottish football total silence disgracefull

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