Rangers Rumours Archive July 16 2012

16 Jul 2012 21:51:09
There is some shady underhand dealings going on in the background. John Brown is making an ar*e of himself but I think he could be right about an explosive revelation.

Sevco companies are off the shelf companies and anybody can buy one for £50 ~ "£500 depending on the level of service from the formation company.

Currently, Sevco 5088 Ltd (registered in London) own the assests of RFC and Sevco Scotland Ltd (registered at Ibrox) is the company in place to run RFC.

If this remains the same for a year then the annual accounts for RFC (Sevco Scotland Ltd) will have no assets only the turnover of RFC.

Maybe this is why none of the usual high street banks would provide the club with basic banking facilities.

Who are the backers of this consortium?

They took the risk of buying the club and should shoulder the burden of losses over the next few years while we climb back to top. I think the season tickets will be very expensive for division 3.

I personally think something is very wrong and the worst is yet to come.

You do not need assets to open a limited company bank account and get basic facilities.

Why should Mr Green and his investors bankroll any losses when you have 36,000 potential season ticket holders at �500 average, thats 18 million quid.
This guy is a businessman not a charity worker, he must maximise profit for the shareholders, it is his legal duty.

His relationship with his shareholding investors is no different to the relationship of D&P and the creditors, nothing to do with the fans or clubs interests.

There is nothing wrong, its called capitalism, not a game for the morally inclined.

Anorak

Normal disciplines of capitalism i.e. making profits for shareholders are almost impossible with football clubs. Green is a front man for asset strippers. Share issue details soon to follow. Wholly relient upon the stupidity of football fans.

No, this guy is employed by Ticketus. Once he has engineered the return of the money Whytey stole they will all move on, dropping the brand new club back in to serious turmoil.

Did he not guarantee he would disclose the members of the consortium as soon as it was known if CVA or liquidation was the route. Am I not correct in saying the only name he revealed on that fateful day quickly and publicly denied involvement?

The fans never questioned Murrays millions. Never questioned Whytes motives or morals. Looks like you will head down the same route again as Ticketus and Green walk the opposite way on the other side, with smiles as wide as the Clyde.

Doesn't Green's Backers include ; Chris Morgan, a UK-based businessman representing family trusts; Glenmuir, the renowned Scottish clothing company; Ian Hart a Glasgow-based businessman; Alessandro Celano of Blue Pitch Holdings and Zeus Capital , It was released in a statement from the club.

To the guy that replied giving the names of investors. I'm afraid that is a load of boll8ks.

The list of people named is bogus; Ian Hart denied being part of the consortium and that he had invested money in the RFC youth set up and allowed CG to use that money for the CVA. Chris Morgan has not been identified nor did the investigation reveal which family trusts.
Glenmuir is part of Ruia Group based in Machester and they are not overly impressive. Blue Pitch is a mystery.

Oh - Another guy mentioned Rafat Rizvi is on the most wanted list by Interpol and would beheaded in Indonesia if he ever returned.

F*cking Fergus McCann showed how its done - everything up front and laid to bare.

I put up the original post.

Anorak - When a company takes over a failed company it doesn't just buy the assets and hope that existing business plan works out. Further investment is always required to get things moving in the right direction. This is not happening at RFC.

So far, Charles Green has bought assets with book value of �120M for a couple of million and expects the loyalty of the bears to fund his takeover whilst his investment grows exponentially.

You only have to look at the CVA for fitness first and you can see that the IP worked towards a �100M cash injection to invest in the business and get things going again.

Apart from siphoning off the assets to Sevco 5088 and trying to buy player contracts for a fraction of their worth what has the CG consortium brought to the table. Nothing.

In my opinion Green has bought Rangers time. Once bankrupt all assets became liable for repayment of creditors. Ibrox and Murray Park were sold for a gross undervalue by the administrators to Green, whose intentions appear genuine. However this sale will inevitably be challenged by BDO when they begin liquidation of the old co. At this point Green will have to come up with the difference of an agreed Market Value and what he has already paid to retain these two valuable assets. This process can take years to resolve, meanwhile Rangers start a fresh in div 3 and attempt to operate as a break even club hopefully progressing up the league structure. When things are on a more even keel and the ground is secure in the newcos ownership financial backers may be more easily come by. Rangers could be in Div 2 or even 1 by this stage. As with any club the team is everything, no team no club. With the manager in place accumulate the best talent available and prepare for a league season, the best of the youth team and reserves should be capable of obtaining good results in Div 3, hopefully.

OP,

One cannot expect the investors to put more money in than they can ever get back in a share issue sale. The prize at the end of 3 years of losses is a going concern that breaks even, people seem to forget that neither of the OF actually make any real money. It does not matter which way you slice and dice Rangers, the fans will pay for its survival and then pay again to own it.

Anorak.

16 Jul 2012 21:24:54
"At one meeting today it was explained that being demoted to the Third Division is not a punishment. I'm not very bright but I struggle with that one, to see that leaving the SPL and ending up in the Third Division is anything but a punishment."
Charles Green Quotes of the week

How can it be a punishment, you are a new club.

Celtic fan of 37 years - Rangers have been punished big time. Let them get on with it in the third. No more sanctions, none carrying over from oldco,none to be imposed if anything else comes to light - it is a newco not an oldco/newco hybrid. Oldco- yes with sanctions, newco -no sanctions just div 3. What are the SPL and SFA doing ? apart from becoming a worldwide embarassment.Brainless idiots, as a Celtic fan I am genuinley going to miss the gers, Regan and Doncaster ruined it for everyone, not just Rangers' previous owners fault for this mess. Regan and Donc must go and go now !

OK Nanny McPhee, let me explain. Division 3 is the only option for a new company applying to the SFL. That is the RULES. A punishment is when you break the rules by doing things such as not paying other clubs and not submitting full contracts to the association of which you are/were a member.

The season is about to start and its still a total mess, dragged on and on and on when it didn't have to.SPL and SFA incompetence causing delay after delay.I've supported Celtic since a wee boy and I don't care anymore about tax cases, ebts, dual contracts and the rest,Rangers are in the third division for f*** sake !! Is that not enough ? They are finished for the next 5 years at least while they rebuild. being in the third is punishment enough and should cover a multitude of sins. Don't punish them anymore and let them get on with trying to get a team on the park.

Well if we're a newco then we shouldn't have any sanctions. if we have to assume sanctions from the oldco then we should of been allowed to transfer our spl share!

Dear nanny McPhee... Almost right.

A full newco could apply to div3 but would need 3 years accounts, proof of games, etc etc and join a queue.... This could avoid all sanctions...

A newco jumping queue without accounts (3 years of them!) into div3 only possible if it uses it's oldco association.... But this route will encur potential additional sanctions

Donkey said on radio tonight newco could have gone to div1 (demotion) or div3 ,and could face more sanctions.....

Newco has all the rangers history ...... So it's still rangers in one form or another....

Doncaster was on radio Scotland tonight and categorically stated that SFL division 1 was an option for newco gers. Indeed he lobbied hard for us to be accepted there. Unfortunately for him and regan their Machiavellian plot to put us on the naughty step backfired spectacularly, and in doing so the brown stuff hit the fan. Regan has to be stopped in his tracks now. Otherwise the drip drip effect of continual sanctions and punishments will set us back decades.

To idiot of 37 years... oh sorry (celtic fan of 37 years)...what has regan done other than bend every rule in the book to help sevco get in the spl or the 1st ragen didnt liquidise rangers they did that themselves sevco wanted 3rd and they got it now they want him sacked for trying to help them i want him sacked for same reason because they didnt deserve to be helped but your just an idiot from both sides

How can the SFA expect a newco to provide 3 years' accounts ? Ffs, it's a newco .... It won't have 3 years' accounts ! It's never traded before.

This is madness.

Of course it wasn't a punishment, they also were not DEMOTED.
oldclub - lost their SPL / SFA licenses.
newclub - is a newclub, so it has to apply for SFL3.
As for sanctions - If CG accepts that newclub IS a newclub, then no sanctions should be levied against them.
If however he claims newclub is continuation oldclub, then newclub SHOULD become liable for any and all sanctions that oldclub have coming.
You can't have it both ways. You can't say yes newclub is oldclub but ONLY as regards the good parts (history etc), but then say newclub isn't oldclub when it comes to the bad parts (wrong doings etc).
Time for CG to make his choice!

True but by that token surely if Rangers are a continuation then why have we been DEMOTED 3 divisions, surely if it's a continuation of Rangers we should have had sanctions against us already: hang on wait, �100k fine, 10 points deducted, potential transfer ban (yes overturned, but may still hit us), subsequent loss of majority of playing squad and no European football for 3 years then finally demotion to division 3.

Doncaster and Regan are incompetent, I think we have suffered enough for our wrong doings

What happens when the big tax case is won. Where does that put the SFA and more importantly the mighty Rangers. It was HMRC that forced administration. Watch this space the gets will be back
In the SPL with �100+ million in payments from lawsuits against HMRC, SFA etc. let's just see the Manky Neighbours, sorry Celtic, reply to that. Their silence will be deafening.

If 3rd division is a punishment then it was a punishment dished out by your own club by going bankrupt the sfa still need to punish you for your wrong doing you dont have the right to get away with anything

16 Jul 2012 18:39:32
Green refusing to accept 1 year transfer embargo for Newco in D3 as condition of SFA membership. Unless resolved in next few days, will be at least a year before a new application could be made. Also has to pay football creditors dent as well.

Source: STV website

Finally Rangers 'll moove to England...this is the way!

STV also saying conditional on Green accepting any sanctions relating to non Disclosure of double contracts.

Green been told that if he doesn't accept the terms then the transfer of membership will be refused and he will have to apply as a new member which will result in application being declined as SEVCO don't meet the financial criteria. This would result in no football for a year.

If im honest i dont blame Charles Green for refusing. I dont understand what the SFA are looking to achieve by doing this. I mean if its a new club then why are there sanctions ? What for? as of yet Rangers havent broken any rules to my recollection. They havent put forward a set of accounts but what accounts would there be to put forward if its a fresh start? They are making what has been a shambles into an even longer running shambles!

Stevensee88

Also any potential punishment regarding EBT's- that could be enormous!

However, Mr Green has informed us that the club is well financed, has he not?

I agree the move to another football association may be on the cards.

That's fine, we dont transfer our share in the SPL.

It's not possible to play in England as long as Scotland has its own Association.

Looks like the SFA wants to continue the revenge - they must know we've lost most of our players and if we can't sign any more we may as well shut up shop and play golf.

If that's their agenda then that's me finished with Scottish football, I usually go to my local team (St Mirren) when we're not at home but if they go ahead with this vendetta then I'll not be putting another penny into football - I've already cancelled Sky Sports for this year.

Aye yer right mate im thinking Rangers will move to possibly Manchester maself they will be welcome there probably intigrate the 2 Manchester teams with the new Sevco and make the 1 super team whit dae ye think bears.
Failing that they could always move tae Barcelona or Stuttgart.

Oh good grief not again. You wont be going anywhere can you not let that simpe fact penetrate those skulls. You are a Scottish team wanting to play in a Sottish league.
Even if you could play elsewhere do you think any association will welcome a new club with no history, no accounts and no visible means of support ?
Do yourselves a favour bears and accept youre not playing anywhere but Scotland - and even thats now looking doubtful

How can green refuse.... Having stadium and half a team has little profit potential

Surely he wants gers in spl with European football to then sell club on to a saudi prince or Russian oligarch???

Sfa have all the cards at present, but they have not played hand that well by all the door laden talk, maybe this will see the making of Scottish football and return to European wins, Scotland getting to finals and some decent games, tv money and more fans ...is this not what we all want

Or just death or glory?

Rangers/Sevco have to take all the punishments coming their way before they can start again and build up their reputation from scratch. Time's a healer.

Green must refuse as the SFA have no choice but to cave in. Only a few days ago they said D3 was Armegeddon. Well what would non participation amount to?

Don't forget UEFA might be watching what the SFA do about the court case regarding the transfer embargo.

Have we not got enough ability in the youth squad to beat a league of part timers?? If not what the fk have they been doing with that academy?

"Green must refuse as the SFA have no choice but to cave in. Only a few days ago they said D3 was Armegeddon. Well what would non participation amount to?"

Their latest murmurings would suggest they were lying. Calling bluff on the rest of Scottish football. Newco have an option. Accept transfer ban OR go back to appelate tribunal.

Good luck

The Holding Company are a NewCo, the Club Membership if transferred will remain the same.

The punishments (and history) for the member club remain despite who the owners are, but if Green applies as a New Team no sanctions or history will be moved.

Problem with applying as a New Team is that others like Spartans and Gala will also be allowed to apply and have actual evidence to back up their applications.

16 Jul 2012 18:20:27
administrators are saying cg paid 2.75m for player contracts ,but at the time of sale all that was mentioned was ibrox , murray park , and albion car park ,do they think we are all fu cking insane , they and cg and whyte are still fleecing our club and are getting away with it . lets blow them out the water and cut off their lifeline

Sevco are on life support as it is.starve them out and it will be years before a team plays at ibrox again.

How many times do you have to be told players contracts cannot be purchased i think you will find that was once called SLAVERY, now start reading anywhere except the Record and the Sun, and dont listen to any Scottish TV news broadcasts they are all commonly known as the laptop loyal and there is a good reason they are called by this name, THINK ABOUT IT.

Fans should pay half st money to cg , and half to rff and in 4 years time the rff could buy the club.....

Why is their still a rff ? cg owns the club what is that money being used for ?

16 Jul 2012 16:40:10
Charles Green says there are still a number of issues between his Rangers newco and the Scottish Football Association before the club can be granted a membership to play in the Scottish Football League.

Source: STV

Looks as though the SFA are finally puting a Rangers owner through the ringer to ensure everything above board. At last!

One of the issues is that sfa want to impose 12 month ban on signings.. So yes we can join but we cant put a team out? Wtf

The SFA are demanding that the transfer embargo stands in div three. Green does not want to accept that, hence the problems.

I am behind Green on this as this is just totally unfair. Why don't they just put us in stocks and pelt us with rotten veg. When will this bloodlust stop?

Looks like Mr Green is fighting the transfer embargo that will be one point being ironed out Thank god he is still in there fighting and not running away like a number of posters on here seem to want.No Green No Rangers Simples. Source STV.

If RFC newco are forced to accept sanctions for the misdeminers of previous company then Mr Green should fight to retain the history as ongoing.

Reading between the lines I think this is about officially ending rangers and starting a new club with a clean slate

The hold up is about people who are still involved with the club who had EBT's. SFA what Green to confirm that these people will no longer be involved with the new club SFA what Green to start with a clean slate.

The SFA want CG to agree to the following:

Pay �160,000 fine imposed on CW.
Accept transfer embargo or Scottish Cup exclusion.
Pay �2 million for unpaid transfer fees.
Accept titles being stripped under EBT regime.

....Or no SFA licence.

Anorak.

Seems a catch 22 position, take the offer of acceptance to join the association in the 3rd div and accept the 12 month signing ban.
or do not accept it and be denied a license to play professional football in this country.
Start as a NEW football club altogether with no history, cups, titles etc etc and you can then apply, more than likely NEXT season.
heads I win, tails you lose.

Bill

So a new team starting in the 3rd div even after the oldco players are left is still going to be hit with a yr transfer ban? why?

The bloodlust will never stop, not with the current morons at the helm of the SFA and SPL. Im gladly going to sit back now and watch half of the SPL teams go bust, all in the name of sporting integrity

As Celtic man I for one am fine with Div 3 and nothing more....lets get on playing football.

tim:

It's the third punishmeant thats the big one, the one that says the s.f.a can basicly punish us at will if they find out later that Whyte done anything else not to their liking. This situation we are in is dire, all thats happened so far lost points, missing out in Europe, demoted to 3rd division, these things were always going to happen anyway I think deep down we all knew that. But now we are getting to the bit where it really matters, the part where Regan under orders from you know who gives Rangers the dooms day ultimatum either accept punishments of us when we feel like handing them out, without question, which would destroy us for at least a decade whilst helping celtic or we wont give you membership meaning Rangers would need to re apply for membership under a new club which would really end our history. I read this in scots law a while ago and s.t.v have just confirmed it.This is very serious stuff fellow bears please wake up and smell the coffe this has always been about our history, and as I have said before on here and I will say it again Peter lawells fingerprints are all over this. It just so happens that his pal Regan is in power, and is doing everthing in his power to either destroy Rangers or seriously harm us for many years to come. Remember the name Basket-case told you.

Bit confused with this one, if rangers in div3 is going to cause havok with other clubs, what is no rangers at all going to do, time to sell everything but ibrox and buy up another team, like what happened with clydebank

Is the stitchin on the doily that is your brain started to unravel m8. Peter Lawell!!?. As a Celtic fan with hee haw better to do than trawl this site ad just like to say that with regards to your history, one day in the future your team will beat mine, when this occurs I will treat it as if I've been beat by rangers, when a go to work al get slagged by my rangers m8s and even though I may try to retaliate by referring to newco I will know in my heart of hearts that my team were beaten by Rangers. Keep your history you've earned it.
ps. Let's stop bein so petty bhoys.
pps. Hopefully you'll never beat us. {Ed052's Note - post of the day

The SFA represents all members and must be seen to be acting impartially.
If Rangers want to transfer their membership and retain their history then they must accept the historical punishments....or start from scratch, no history and no membership.

I personally don't think CG is that bothered about the embargo, it gives him a great excuse to field what he has left plus some youngsters, keeps the wage bills down. He is probably more concerned about paying �2 million to the oldco football creditors.

Anorak.

"As Celtic man I for one am fine with Div 3 and nothing more....lets get on playing football."

I'm not....the ban should stand and titles they cheated be stripped....then I would be fine with that.

Iain

There's one important flaw in your reasoning Anorak - if Rangers were being accepted into Division 1 then it's quite possible that the majority of 'senior' players left at Ibrox may have stayed on. If that was the case then an embargo may have been feasible. However the mere fact that these players will not stay for Division 3 football means that the playing staff will be further depleted - probably to the extent that Rangers will be unable to field a team. With that in mind any insistence that the transfer embargo should stand is counter-productive to the SFA as it's unlikely that Rangers could win Division 3 with a team of youths...................

Anorak has no flaws, I am an East Fife fan, Rangers will walk Div 3 with 11 reserves and 11 youngsters. The level of football is dire, trust me, I used to be a season ticket holder.

Anorak.

It doesn't matter how low we get, the vast majority of Celtic fans want us dead and buried. The only way, we have at the moment, to defend ourselves is by cancelling Sky sports and not banking with the Clydesdale. PS...is there other ways we can hurt Celtic/SPL/SFA financially?

16 Jul 2012 14:49:49
Dunfermline have said they will be discussing a legal challenge to the decision to invite Dundee to the SPL ahead of the 2012/13 season.

The East End Park club finished the 2011/12 season as bottom of the SPL, and were relegated from the top-flight.

However, following the news that Rangers newco will start life in Division Three, a place in the SPL was opened up, which Dunfermline believe should be theirs by rights.

Dunfermline finished eight points behind 11th placed Hibernian last season, and took no points from their three matches with Rangers last term.

Club chairman John Yorkston said that he would be meeting with his fellow directors this evening to discuss the verdict and whether the club should take further action.

Who cares mate who replaces us.....A total pointless post.......Billy

The Pars don't really have a case, they were relegated fair&square, Dundee come up as next best-placed side behind Ross County, same with Airdrie and Stranraer from their respective leagues.

Why is 'no points' against Rangers relevant ? or am i missing a point somewhere?

The statement from John Yorkston is irrelevant. It does not affect us and will not affect our participation in Division 3. Dunfermline and Dundee can have their bunfight and the rest of Scottish football can sit back and watch it unfold. Nothing will cahnge. The make up of the four divisions is settled. Just get on with it.

If it goes to next best place then would dunfermline not have case that finishing in bottom spl is higher than second in 1st ??

If double contracts case found then - dunfermline NOT relegated!

GERS went to Court of Session, so why not the pars ?

fairs fair?

Double contracts are unproven (yet) - the ebt also stopped in 2010 so what has that got to do with Dunfermline being relegated ya person ......

Dunfermline were NOT good enough for the SPL, hence why they got relegated. They should show some "sporting integrity" and accept the decision, surely no?

If whyte had not held back the PAYE and NIC to kep the club running you would have not made it to the end of the season. If rfc were gone when they should have then Dunfermline would still be in the SPL.

Could delay start of new season for SPL and SFL as has knock on implications down the ladder, therefore impacting Rangers.

Iremember when Aberdeen finished bottom of the league and because Falkirk had a poor stadium they couldnt get promoted.So why didnt it go to whoever was 2nd then.It wasnt because Aberdeen were a so called bigger club was it !!! Once again there are no rules all they do is make it up as they go along

If ebt stopped in 2010 - then GERS demoted then! How can pars be relegated now for playing by the rules.

This is sport - not business.

Don t think sfl or spl league start will be postponed ..more likely Rangers will be unable to play due to no licence and with continued threats of boycotts there is a likelyhood of going with 1 team less ( as no financial penalties to fellow sfl teams if no travelling rangers support) or invite spartans or cove as they already have the infrastructure and finance in place to compete at D3 level...JohnnyG

16 Jul 2012 14:22:51
Charles Green must tell us who owns Ibrox so the fans have confidence in going forward. If ticketus are the owners then there will be no investment in the team until their bill is payed. This debt should have died with liquidation

If Ticketus own Ibrox then the Newco club is finished before it even starts. All revenue will go to service the debt Craig Whyte lumbered us with. I will not renew my season ticket until I know that there is no chance of Ticketus getting their hands on it.

The debt has died, but if Ticketus have worked their way in as undercover owners, then they can plug away as they wish, taking money from the newco for as long as they like.

One thing is certain Ticketus have not just written off �25 million . They mysteriously disappeared off the scene prior to Rangers being liquidated and haven't received a penny piece. They Iam sure own Ibrox and we the fans will be paying the debt for the foreseeable future .

Ticketus have been quiet ever since the failed CVA...can't see them walking away from �24m. No word from them on chasing Whyte...do they have the floating charge over Ibrox and MP?
Why doesn't Green have a press conference and lay the title deeds out for inspection to kill this rumour.

IF and a big IF John Brown knows the truth why has if he is a true fan not come out with it? If it is as we think IBrox is owned by Ticketus we are FINISHED

I think it is only right that ticketus get some if not all of there money back, rememberat the end of the day it was there money that paid off LLoyds bank

I dont understand how that deal could not have been in place prior to the CVA thus removing ticketus as a creditor then we may have been able to settle with the taxman and other creditors avoiding liquidation

JG

Ticketus were actually one of the few companies who accepted a CVA! Nobody knows any facts here just the usual scare mongering! Probably tims! Also it seems any excuse not to buy a season book, if you dont want one GTF and stop crying about it

J

What relevance is it who paid off loyds or anyone else? That was oldco affairs. Rangers didn't liquidate themselves... The failure of a CVA forced the matter and ticketus were included. Ticketus don't deserve a penny from any "newco" just like other creditors. If they have managed to wrangle their way into newco affairs all other creditors should be taking note and all Rangers fans should be worried about a brand new company already lumbered with 24 million debt!

Hold on there rangers have not liquidated yet so wait till it happens

16 Jul 2012 13:25:27
are Rangers even ready to put a team out for first match against Brechin on 28th July in the ramsdens challenge cup?

if we have this transfer embargo how e can we even sign players or has thaat been taken away now?

Surely we can't still have the transfer embargo if we're in D3. I thought he sanctions were only if we were admitted into D1. {Ed052's Note - Cant see any embargo now mate

When we win this Ramsdens cup thing that we have to play in can we take the Trophy round to our nearest branch and get some cash for it? We're going to need all the cash we can get to come through the next 3 years.

SFA and Green meeting today to discuss SFA membership. Soon find out where we are regarding embargo.

If they keep the embargo in place they might aswell no bother granting us a license.We might just about beable to scrape a team together but we would struggle later in the season with injuries the third is a unforgiving place.

Re the transfer embargo; I thought we were allowed to replace any over 21 players who left up to the limit imposed by the SFA. Therefore, we should be able to sign players. Just not the quality we would like.

Although the Scottish Football League has no automatic deduction of points for clubs going into administration, it reserves the right to "deduct championship points before or during a season and/or to impose a player registration embargo on any club".


Wikipedia - as gers in DIV3 now - SFL can inflict any punishment or ban - as it sees fit!

So if double contracts or FTT reaches decision then SFL can apply penalties...

There were 42 players on the books, okay so 10 of top have left - thats still 32 players - more than div 3 is allowed to register (22 max) so whats the issue?

Re transfer embargo, has this not been ruled incompetent by court of session with SFA duty bound to award an alternative punishment ?

Ok then if your so keen on duty bound, then it's suspension or expulsion, what one do you prefer?

Suspension is coming fellow bears. I think that will suit all other SPL clubs just fine if we come back into the SPL (with sanctions) in time for a new sky deal. Could we survive a year out?

Just a couple of points to make. Firstly I hope all TRUE rangers fans will in no way contribute any money either directly or indirectly the sfa or sfa or thier sponsers and support the div 3.

Second concerns a story related to me at a
Mariners meeting last night. A Celtic supporting fiend of mine told me he was talking to his friend who is a close friend of the Hibs chairman. Apparently plans are being discussed to place a thirty per cent levy on div 3 clubs to provide support to spl clubs in financial jeopardy. The spl & sfa believe that div 3 clubs will back this as they will still profit greatly from rangers inclusion. They also see it as a carrot to imposing further sanctions on rangers as they will be impeded fom signing players of too great quality for thier division. They are trying to organise this without leaks to the press and want to keep it internal. He also told me Celtic are against this idea but can not. Outvote the other spl teams any longer. May just be a wind up but my Celtic mate is not really the type to wind up about anything. Keep vigilant bears.

Ozzie Al

16 Jul 2012 13:03:08
Green to hold season tickets prices at last year's level but no increases for the next 3 years minimum or until back in SPL, whichever comes first.

That will keep our heads above water - just hope the fans continue to buy season tickets at previous level of 40,000 until we get back in SPL.

This is final proof CG has no intentions of putting any more investors money into the newco. He is now asking the fans to bankroll the losses for 3 years and then he will charge them an arm and a leg to buy shares in the company they have saved. May I suggest fans take a look at some of the Leeds Utd message boards, they average 24,000 with high prices and the club has an operating loss of �2 milion, they have now sold 2 years of ticket sales in advance ffs...its deja vu !

We will now see what the fans will do, if less than 20,000 renew their tickets then I believe the newco will be sold.

Anorak.

Its very simple, every fan who pays the full season ticket price for the next 3 years should get one share in the club. Maximum number of shares 50,000, original investors get 10,000 ( 20%).

Anorak.

16 Jul 2012 12:54:01
Here are the two big statements from the SPL release:

"It was agreed that the SPL would work with the Scottish FA, SFL and Rangers to facilitate Rangers FC taking their place in SFL Division 3 this season.

"It was agreed that Dundee FC would be invited to fill the space vacated by Rangers FC in the Clydesdale Bank Premier League.


Now lets play footie

16 Jul 2012 10:20:02
I've heard a rumour that four men in the names of Smith, McColl, King and Park are going to start a new club.

They will name it Govan Rangers and will start off as a junior team with the aim to work up the ranks of the Scottish leagues.

The aim is to overshadow the current 'The Rangers FC' and claim some of the fanbase.

Even if this is true (and I doubt it a lot) I can't see this getting very far. Even this venture would need money to back it. Sounds like a dead duck before it even starts.

Dont really see the point in that.By the time they purchased a ground built a stadium signed players etc they would have spent a fair bit and whos to say they would ever get out of the juniors.If they wanted rangers that bad they should have gave green the 20mil he wanted.

This would cost peanuts to start, whats the obssesion with Green maybe doing it ourselfs is what needs to happen?

It would take years to build up and a whole load of money to buy land and build a stadium

Dopey Leggat punted this nonsense months ago and then it all went quiet.

Legatt is never far off the mark by the way....most things end up true.

AFC wimbledon did same thing and are flying....

Olde wimbledon, MK Wimbledon dead and buried - so this is a tried and tested option.

For fecks sake, focus on what we have left and stop day dreaming, some guy with �30m smith is gonna save us/build new team/ start new team/blah,blah,blah we arer div3, probably about that standard too, coisty needs support and luck, and i'm sure he can do without the "this can't be true we will soon wake up brigade"

I think this actually has legs.

I am not sure whether to even go to watch Greens sevco let alone buy a Season ticket.

A team started by real Rangers men on the other hand even if it is again a new team would be much more palatable.

Leggat is never far off the mark? post one example this slurring idiot has ever got right.Remember the write up he gave Whyte? Or the Blue Knights? Why do you think no newspaper will employ him?

Fed up reading all this sh,,e, theirs enough going on without starting more p.sh.

16 Jul 2012 01:02:42
Could Rangers and Celtic not just arrange a wee mini tournament outwith SPL between themselves to play four games a season 'as friendlies' sell the tv rights to sky and Espn and pocket the cash? Why not include Partick Thistle and Queens Park in a 'Glasgow Cup'? I'd go.

Think about where quality of a Rangers team in an year. Would you pay to see a whitewash every three months? Celtic have European and cup games to contend with and with the winter break there just isn't the space in the calendar to accomodate this.

WHY ? we rangers havnt got a team all or player hav left. spl cant hav it both ways

Not a great moral booster if Celtic's premier league side pump rangers sunday league side, could lead to unecessary animosity

Never will i want that to happen. you want rangers to help out everybody else in a league we dont play in leave them to there sporting integrity...mark.

I don't think the OP is suggesting they do this to help any one other than Rangers (and possibly celtic, Partick and Queens Park). He's suggesting that they sell the TV rights, nothing said about maintaining the original Sky deal.
Some people should read the full post before responding. And for what its worth they are well within their rights to do so, though its a non starter since I can't imagine Celtic would be interested or that fans of Rangers Newco would want to see their team getting horsed by Celtic (and maybe even Partick and QP) four times a season.

The only way and old firm game in any form would work next season, would be if it were an under 19s, and level playing field and i doubt SKY/ESPN would touch that. Maybe Celtics development squad that play in some form of Glasgow Cup, but then it would only generate money for the clubs involved

Fans seem to put hurting other clubs first in everything you do sooner or later your gonna have to stop and start helping and doing whats right for your own club no one needs money more than your club right now this is a non starter the sfa only gave permission to have friendlies outside the uk last year it wouldnt be allowed but if i was a supporter of your club i would start looking at ways to generate money to get back up