Rangers Rumours Archive October 17 2012

 

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17 Oct 2012 21:17:17
After listening to Craig Whyte's latest interview it brings back how he and Murray and all the rest of them have treated a thing I love with such disgust and total lack of respect - they screwed everyone of us (fans, tax-payer and the whole of the Scottish football community). Hatred is a strong word but doesn't come close to how I feel right now about them. I pray if there is some justice in this world he and Murray will be brought to task for this.

gers1986

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Totally agree, their ego's and greed came
before the love for the club, totally selfish.

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I firmly believe 80% of the blame rests with Murray.
Murray sold Whyte a club that needed Ally to get into the Group stages of the champions league or it was going to be £20m down on its first year.

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Hi ed before you think this is a post from a celtic fan then its not i have been a gers fan since i was 4 thats about 30 years or so now the fact is to me craig whyte is still involved in rangers with charles green his name may not be on any business or legal documents but we all know you dont need to be on these to be involved in businesses. craig whyte planned to have charles green in for a long time there was much better bids that charles green's bid so why not accept any of them. i firmly believe that this share issue is nothing other than a way for charles green to con money out of us fans he will get the money and it will be split between him and his so called fake consortium and craig whyte and then he will sell of ibrox and other rangers assets to the highest bidder and be off into the sunset with the money with not a ounce of guilt. do you expect us to believe that charles green and craig whyte have not worked this up together there is just far to many coincedences for them not to be. all this cock and bull stuff about charles green fighting with the sfa and spl to stop them taking titles from us is just to make us think that he is fighting for our club.


answer me this why do an interview with the bbc after they called him a fraudster and a liar and why in a secret location okay his life may still be in danger and thats why a secret location. i believe in the next few days we will see stuff coming out about him and charles green being involved together and if it does then we will be doomed we will be severly sanctioned by the sfa and could even be banned from playing football in scotland.

why didnt the bbc ask him if he was still involved in rangers he may have lied but they could have still asked him and they didnt ask him what happened with the jelavic money although we already know he pocketed this


anyway i have blabbered on enough the fact is mr green and that **** whyte have duped us and it will all end in tears in the coming months and i repeat i am a faithful gers fan not a tim.



i bet we wont even make it to the end of the season thats how worried i am.


guys just dont give cg your money for this fake share issue. you will be paying for whyte and green to sun it on a beach in hawaiii while we are left with no club.

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Slight change of subject. So Charlie chuckles says the IPO will be a massive success?

A wee warning - It only takes 1500 Celtic minded people to each register a bogus £10,000 interest to get to £15m. Not that Think about it.......

Mine is already confirmed by Capita reply email........

So before you jump on the shares bandwagon "cos every other The Rangers fan is doing it". Ask yourself, "have they really"...?

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I still believe Craig Shyte is lying through his teeth about a huge number of things, but also the interviewer let him off the hook too many times. He had ample opportunity to follow up on the Ticketus money, especially when he asked about whether Shyte made anything out of the "deal". I was also interested that the interviewer didn't follow up on the Duff & Duffer points. Shyte said he was surprised at D&D taking on the administration due to a conflict of interest - why then was Shyte so keen on having them appointed.
Like every investigation into this terrible period in our clubs history, this latest interview only raises more questions than it answers and for that reason I question the BBC's motives too. Perhaps they are more interested in raising questions than having the saga end?

It was good to see Jackie Bird in her traditional colours again last night though....

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Why did the BBC not question him on the up coming criminal investigation. BBC Scotland she be wrapped over the knuckles for allowing this reprabate on TV. An absolute con man.

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Charles Green said that any money raised from a share issue would be used for the good of the club and that none of the investors including himself would take any money. My understanding is that his method of buying the oldco Rangers assets was by using investor loans to the newco to provide the necessary funding, does his statement say that he will not be recalling these loans (plus interest)when the share issue is sold? No it does not. The minute I hear Craig Whyte could be involved I fear that anything could happen especially now he has admitted that he put Charles Green in place. {The Ed039's Note - Suddenly we believe everything Craig Whyte says)

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I am still , for the ggod of the club investing . CG as SDM will come and go but RFC will out last them I have no doubt. I am not in it for the money, I am in it for the sake of my club. And if Timmy wants to moan out of hatred then thats ok with me.Remember they dont make money from there shares and there main shareholders pockets millions form them.

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Murray, Whyte and Green are well matched. All a bunch of chancers.

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To the guy who will be investing "for the ggod of the club".
I don't think anyone is telling you what to do with your money, but not to jump in out of blind loyalty. Its also good that you are not investing to make money, because you won't. By investing, you may be preventing your club from going down the tubes. But what if you invest and it still goes down the tubes? What is the hurry to get the share issue off the ground? If they need the money just to keep the club running how long can they keep it going on the tiny income from div three football? Don't forget that the majority of people who turn up every other week have paid upfront with a season ticket.
I think that is what people are warning against and don't believe they are all Celtic fans.
Al

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17 Oct 2012 14:06:53
Craig Whyte a known liar, so we shouldn't necessarily believe a word he says about Charles Green.

But Charles Green is also a known liar - in fact I hear he definitely didn't pitch Rangers' share issue in Wall St recently as he claimed.

What I can't work out is why Whyte is only coming out with this now. I fear for this Lord Hodge conflict of interest report now.

Dark times still ahead.

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What ever craig whyte say's is a crock o sh_t

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You ask for the truth and when your told it you dont want to listen because it doesnt suit you you only listen to what you want to hear so dont expect anyone to listen to yous when it all goes pear shaped and you start bubbling your awww its not the fans fault

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The truth? according to who? awww aye that guy that is supposedly suing the bbc but gives them an "exclusive". away n get a grip. wouldnt be suprised if he was paid too say it.anyway a wouldnt believe a word he says.and how exactly are Rfc going to go down again?a would love to here your take on this?a suppose someone told you so it must be true?

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I for one reckon white has nothing left to lose what does he have to gain now from the minute we lost in Europe our time was up sdm is the major villan but it's scary that green is obviously pals with white rangers til I die but fear that we might go bust for good this time

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Both of them (CW and CG) are playing out an elaborate script.
Liquidation was planned from day one of the administration.
CG has been involved since February (he has let it slip a couple of times), and wasn't a last minute saviour.
I wonder if this latest wheeling out of the 'bad guy' is only to delay BDO's appointment as liquidators?
Or the IPO will now become a private share issue so there is no need to divulge backers etc. (would be convenient for CG)
Whatever is playing out we still haven't seen the 'end game' yet.

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You can't handle the truth! Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. You don't want the truth, because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that wall! You need me on that wall!

Sorry...where was I ?

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I still dont think we will find out the real truth did they meet did they not meet getting bizzarre again troops

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His whole physiognomy did show that he was extremly uncomfortable with the interview. His facing expression was the biggest give away. Typically stuttering with bulging eyes. From the outset it was obvious to me this guy was a complete liar. The BBC should be asamed of themselves for even giving him the air time to express his tainted views. To sit on National TV and pontificate the way he did blaming everybody but hiself was an absolute disgrace. I have also written a letter of complaint to the BBC and asking why he was allowed on after they themselves ridiculed the parasite in an earlier TV documentary.

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Takes all the attention away from the scotland defeat like its forgoten about already {The Ed039's Note - There is an international football page for talk of Scotland)

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I still don't understand who lost 26 million, was it Ticketus or CW ?

CW wasn't prepared to put a dime of his own money in due to BTC, so that rules out a personal guarantee, and Ticketus did not have a floating charge on the assets, they were listed as an ordinary creditor.

Very strange considering the sums and obvious risks involved.

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Completely agree, this was a nonsense 'interview' that told us absolutely nothing we didn't already know.
'Exclusive' - rubbish more like, 'I introduced CG to D&P' big deal, if you think back CG has already said he had talks with Whyte before contacting D&P.
I think this is more to do with timing than anything else, isn't CG about to float?
Transparent attempt by the BBC to muddy the waters.
JMG

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I thought CW came dangerously close to admitting he orchestrated administration and was trading while knowingly insolvent, both of these are criminal offences.

In my opinion his plan was to liquidate RFC as soon as the BTC was concluded ( he himself said a CVA was a no go with HMRC). He hoped to trade up to this date using the proceeds of a European campaign, he never had any intention of putting any money into a company that was inevitably going to be liquidated.

He said he regretted not calling in the receivers in October, this suggests he had a reason, maybe he thought the transfer window would bail him out.

What is clear is D&P knew a CVA was never possible and yet wasted nearly 6 months negotiating a CVA Dutch Auction they knew was pointless.

They should have liquidated this company within a month, and sold it to the highest bidder. Craig Whyte hoped to be the highest bidder in his original plan but the SPL soon scuppered this.

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"Pitch the share issue to Wall St", now theres another joke from CG, anyone see how the Man Utd share went there recently ? not so good ! So ours ?

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17 Oct 2012 13:52:14
i see that they have held an interview with Craig Whyte in a London Hotel..... full story to come on a Scottish TV channel tonight, would loved to have been there to tell him what we ALL Think of him !

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Honestly if its that easy to be a liar and a con man I think I need to give it a go living the high life and apparently having no money bumping people of and no chance of getting the jail and by the looks of it the only thing you need is a brass neck and no respect for anyone else. Ah well that's me screwed on that one honestly what a low life CW must be

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I can't agree more with you CW is a coward the lowest of the low no respect for anyone still got the brass neck to try worm his way out tut tut ...kev

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The BBC made a programme claiming Whyte was a fraud and a liar and now their asking us to believe what hes saying ....So he's only a liar when it suits the BBC ...aye right

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How much money did he make he didnae deny he made money i think he is still involved worried bear

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I was on an Easyjet flight to Nice with him a while back

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17 Oct 2012 10:53:06
Can anyone explain why the transfer embargo imposed on Hearts last month was not made public.? Can anyone explain why Hearts have not had their membership of the SPL suspended pending a full investigation into thier failure to pay salaries for the third time? Financial impropriety; seems like it only apllies to certain clubs. Is this another case of double standards from the SPL & SFA? If you are going to "punish" clubs for financial impropriety ( and not paying staff salaries would seem to be a prime example of lack of good financial management ) then there should not be any hidden sanctions and every club should be treated the same. Rangers have been punished before the outcome of the HMRC tax case is known but Hearts get a transfer embargo that wasn't even announced. Double standards I think. Come on SPL SFA let's have a level playing fied.

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Rangers owed to the tax man in the region of 9 million pounds that Mr Whyte had not paid, put on top of that the paye that was never paid. To put these two cases forwared as being alike is rediculous.
Tam

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Bears dont get involved in other teams problems. get involved with our good club and help it prosper. This post although posted in good faith is right up timmys street for us to moan about.

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Rangers have been punished before the outcome of the HMRC tax case

please advise punishment.

Rangers were liquidated and CG bought club leaving debt. New company shares on sale now you need to support him let Hearts supporters worry about their club.

no use wishing them ill they have been paying bills late and still exist and are hurting about how their club is run

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Quite easy because Peter liewell ain't told them to

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Och that's a dead easy one to reply to, the transfer embargo was indeed made public, the reason you never heard about it was that they accepted their punishment and never went bawlin n greetin to the DR, failure to pay salaries and deliberate cheating are two very different things, the first means you have a cash flow problem the other means you have a moral problem, rangers punished before the outcome of the HMRC tax case? How so? Level playing field? How would you know anything about that sort of thing?

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OP here. I apologise to all Bears for the earlier rant. I am not interested in Hearts problem and do not wish them ill. In fact I hope they find a buyer who can take them out of the miserable situation they are now in.

I am interested in making the SPL / SFA show some commonality and transparency when it comes to decision making, disciplinary hearings and punishment.

If the SPL / SFA want to have any credibility then they should publish the outcome of ALL disciplinary hearings, the rules broken along with reasoning for the punishment. Be this for individuals or clubs. Only then will fans of all clubs know what is happening we might then be able to move Scottish football forward. At the moment, lack of transparency from the hiearchy of both the SPL and SFA makes Scottish football look, to the outside observer, a total mess.

I am a proud Scot and lifelong Bear but I have lived in England for the past 22 years and have endured the usual Scottish football is rubbish jibes and I have defended it to the hilt. That has now stopped. Until the SPl, SFL and SFA are amalgamated into one governing body there will be nothing that can be done to raise the level of Scottish football and attract a decent sponsorship and TV rights deal. Three governing bodies taking a slice of the meagre funds available does not bode well for the future.

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Rangers havent been punished yet when are people gonna realise, we are in the third division through no fault but our own. Punishment is still to happen infact i would say SFA SPL have left it far to late because now the average rangers fan now belives the punishment was demotion. and for the SFA SPL to punish now would be playing into the hands of the conspirotors

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Were does it say hearts were given a transfer embargo? show your info were u got this info

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Quite simple the spl cant punish a club for non payment on time because they themselves are guilty of non payment on time and will be again as they have no money.the spl is skint all washed up 5 teams talking of leaving the spl and joining sfl.haha enjoy the sphelll

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In reply to Tam , the cases are similar if you want to use the old ' Sporting Integrity ' guff.Hearts are playing players they can't afford to play so are therefore ' cheating ' other teams who pay their players on time.
Bluefieldshoe

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OP here again. The evidence for the Hearts transfer came from the BBC website. Here is the transcipt...

"Hearts had a transfer embargo imposed on them by the Scottish Premier League even before this month's delay in the payment of wages.

Six players and manager John McGlynn have not received October salaries.

It is the second month in a row that Hearts players and staff have had to wait for payments.

And it understood that the SPL board imposed the embargo, allowed under fresh rules this season, although the sanction was not made public.

Neither the SPL nor the Edinburgh club would make any comment on the sanction or why the decision was kept private.

Hearts were repeatedly late in paying players last season.

That prompted the SPL to introduce new rules in the summer regarding paying players on time and allowing the parent body to punish clubs.

The SPL will discuss the issue again at a board meeting next Monday"

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Bluefield shoe, Oh but there is a difference the Hearts players Will be paid what they are owed,Rangers creditor's will not, remember Charlie says you have no debt.
Tam

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SPORTING INTEGRITY - where are all the fans that came on here spouting sporting integrity now? Oh thats right, it always different for them? It is quite simple i am not interested in whos dad is bigger that whos, and who owed the most money. The simple facts are the SPL has tried to cover up punishment in the interest of self preservasion, FACT. Sporting Integrity would suggest openess, honesty and equality? So come on everyone from the SPL where is your cry for integrity now, unless it was never there to begin with, and just a guise of an excuse to cover up your bigoted views towards rangers. You can call it by any other name you wish, but history will remember you actions as a hatered towards RFC for nothing more that bogoted views, and it will not be seen as sporting integrity as you all proclaim.

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Spl what a joke WHY wasnt this made public was it to save face as you knew it would bite your back side doncaster. well it will you have destroyed scottish football with lies cover ups after cover ups. never once have the spl came out and said we knew of rangers issues as was reported last night and on radio tonight pundits are asking why no statement has been made WHY, what are you hiding, and then all quiet on hearts dont add up to me...were you hoping to keep it quiet...

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