Rangers Rumours Archive June 18 2012

18 Jun 2012 20:49:56
ed ive heard naismith has agreed a 3 year deal at everton any truth ed {Ed001's Note - nothing has been sorted, not until his contract situation is sorted out. But I expect him to sign as soon as it has.}

18 Jun 2012 20:02:15
As a Rangers fan i'm quite happy if the club gets dumped into the 3rd division. After the double contracts,admin etc etc the club deserves it.An extra bonus would be if we could shed all the bigots and half wits who scream about the Queen, King Billy and religion every weekend. These idiots have embarrassed the club and Scotland for decades. They continue to behave and live as if in the dark ages. New Rangers= New supporters ...Leave the bigoted, Unionist, hate filled cretins with the old.In with the new...

WELL SAID!mprob the most rational posting i hae seen in mounths, finally some ppl are understanding and the eyes are opened to what the former club did and was all about.

As a Celtic fan got to say if that was the opinion of rangers fans in general I would welcome the rangers straight into the spl well said mate

And good luck to you and every REAL gers fan who wants to lose these idiots.Time the bigots,from both sides fkd off.............green jhedi

We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore. We will be united in our common interests. Perhaps it's fate that today is the Fourth of July, and you will once again be fighting for our freedom... Not from tyranny, oppression, or persecution... but from annihilation. We are fighting for our right to live. To exist. And should we win the day, the Fourth of July will no longer be known as an American holiday, but as the day the world declared in one voice: "We will not go quietly into the night!" We will not vanish without a fight! We're going to live on! We're going to survive! Today we celebrate our Independence Day!

Source: Independence Day 1996 (before EBTs)

Well said. An honest sensible true rangers supporter. I'm a Celtic fan and wish they would get rid of the bigots too. Your a star,

I agree, but these clowns will always be with us. Take the punishment, do it with a bit of dignity and move on.

I am a Celtic fan as well and would like the similar element of our support tgtf as well but will never happen.

This is progress!

I agree totally. Im a Rangers fan through and through but a bigot, zelot, cretin I am not. I would love all bigots from both sides to disappear forever.
WATP

As a life-long Rangers fan I have to say I couldn't agree more with the OP. however, unfortunately, the bigotry is never going to go away whilst there are still Celtic fans and an old firm, as lets face it both sides of the old firm are as bad as each other. It takes 2 to tango as they say! So, whilst the post from the Celtic fan who says they would welcome Rangers straight back into SPl if all Gers fans had a similar mentality as OP, then hate to say mate that ain't ever going to happen as long as Celtic fans stay with the mentality they have e.g. Tricolours, Irish connections, etc etc. get my point? ! ? It needs both sides to be rid of the nonesense, the bigoted, deep-rooted past. And I have to say, unfortunately, I don't ever think that will happen in my lifetime?! But I hope I'm proven wrong! Rangers are an easy target right now, but both clubs are to blame with regards to this point I'm afraid! Jay

Spot on mate, couldnt agree more, but unfortunately if you posted this on rm or ff you would get slaughtered, better just going to support your local team.jj

Best post I have read!

I'm a Celtic fan and I applaud your comments ! both our clubs have elements that we don't need in our game. If nothing else comes out of rangers situation Scottish football needs to remember our game is about kicking a ball, scoring goals and entertaining people who would love to pull on the jersey of the teams we support.

Great post mate, I am a Celtic fan and I to would welcome The Rangers back into the SPL if this was the opinion of the fans, also eradicate the same minded people from our fan base as well

Well said mate. I'm a Jags fan with no love for either of the old firm and I gave up supporting Celtic many years ago because of their bammers so it's nice to see someone speaking sense on here.

Totally. Agree. This debacle. May turn out to b a blessing in disguise let's make this anew start. For a new rangers no more of the old. Bigoted. Crap. Let's go forward with pride

Completely agree with OP BUT there would only be 10000 at home matches - you really think all the buses leaving Dundee Falkirk and Lockerbie are full of football fans free from sectarianism?

As a Celtic fan I want the same at park head, get rid of these pro ira songs which just embarrass the club,

As a celtic fan it would be great to see this and hopefully it would kill the I** side of the celtic support

As a Celtic fan that used to sing our bile,i couldnt agree more,time to leave these neanderthals in the past,on both sides,great post sir

As a Celtic fan this new rangers would get my backing. The idiots who support Celtic and chant outdated nonsense should be dealt with as well.

my fear for rangers is trying to untangle a good Scottish club from the extremists who have hijacked it will not be easy.

Why should celtic get rid of tri colours and the irish connection? They were set up as a charity for Irish immigrants. Can never lose the Irish connection.

@Jay; Im sorry but your wrong.Ireland is a fundamental part of the history and founding of Celtic.To try and make that a sectarian issue is wrong...........green jhedi

Applause ccccc Bigotry is a cancer and has to be eradicated .anyperson in their right mind knows that ."teach your children well' as the song goes. geo

I notice todate only those who agree have had the courage to post their support.
I wonder why the many who disagree with the OP are having difficulty in explaining their position.

I worry about a character and personality that seeks status through bigotry. Feeling good about yourself at the expense of others is a cowards response to low self esteem.

Anorak congratulates the decent people who speak out against bigotry.

Parkhead is one word, so called celtic fan

I am a celtic fan. Moved seats at celtic park last year due to foul mouthed bigoted morons.the supporters are the twelfth man. Likewise there should be yellow and red cards for them too. Points deductions for every offensive song.would be an equaliser for the other teams and repel the bams on both sides. Tolerance and multiculturilsm defeating secterianism of the
lowest order. Hail hello hail hello. X

I do agree with the post & don't like the idiots who sing like that etc however every club has a section of clowns that spoil it for the rest of the good lot. I also would take Div 3 just want a Rangers to follow & a team to be proud off!

Great to see the real bears having a comment its a load of bo l ks keep religion far away from our new club

You get idiots everywhere boot them out end of im rangers daft after every old firm all the boys would meet up including celtic pals would be gutted if ya got beat loved it when we won give a bit of stick few beers a laugh no bigotry no ill feeling that what fitbaws about time both clubs moved on

This topic has always been swept under the carpet the old club tried its best you always get the idiots in both clubs ours seemed to attract more for some reason rangers fc was founded for football for sport nothing else 4 lads had a stoll in the park and came up with the idea it was nothing to do with religion rangers fc even donated money to the building of a roman catholic school near edinburgh through the 1920s the club was hijacked with unionist sympathies which is never good in sport politics this should have remained at the gates unfortunatly the bigots thrived which done the club no favours it could be argued it was the 90 minute bigot time has moved on since those days i agree its time to move on forward lets build a new club that all in society can be welcolme lets show the world the newco can be a success as a fan im deeply sorry the way it has turned out and at times have been ashamed of the club over the last year hope this can be a start in building a bridge and give our new club a chance even if it means div 3 lastly im deeply upset that creditors and shareholders lost money
lets step up and do scotland proud
gutted bear

This is a wake up call for all of scottish football and not just celtic/rangers. there is just as much hatred amongst other clubs supporters but the fact that the old firm are the two biggest and the two most vocal we stand out more.
there is no need for bigotory secteranism racism in football, but some supporters are so intent on their vile way it brings our clubs into shame.
no harm in having a joke and having a banter but when it leads to being offensive and threatning with intent, these supporters need to be removed from football.
well said everyone, lets talk about football, sporting integrity and fairness and no more talk about secteranism and bigotry and hate, let football do the talking and keep the ball on the park and not front pages of newspapers

Great post

Could not agree more. As a young Celtic fan I used to sing all the songs. I never really knew what they were about but I thought it was fun and I was part of great crowd. Whe I matured a bit I realised that it was pathetic to sing about murderers, bombers etc. as if they were heroes. They had nothing to do with football and that is what I was wanting to see. I support ALL Scottish clubs in Europe. Well said and it is good to see likeminded Tims posting their agreements.

Great post and great toi see so many others from all teams supporting the thought, if only it were that easy, i am ok if rangers end up in div 3, just want there to b a rangers to support, lets all look forward instead of being stuck in the past

Hopefully if we started from the bottom the bigots wouldn't bother following rangers as alot seem to be glory hunters...... Would be good to see a huge march with Celtic and rangers fans standing together and protest against bigots show the world that after a game of football we are all Scottish united and proud

Couldn't agree more with the OP. Time to take down the Union Jack at Ibrox. I think there are a lot of fans that'd return to Rangers if we could get rid of the Loyalist bigots.
Why should supporting Rangers be about being a Unionist, Monarchist protestant?

It's time to move on: we should treat this as an opportunity for a fresh, inclusive, Scottish start. Let Celtic sing all about their Troubles and wave their Irish flags if they want to; we should rise above it.

If I could take my son to watch Rangers without worrying that he would be subjected to having to listen to foul mouthed bigots, I'd go and watch Rangers, which ever league they were in. I'm ashamed to say when I was younger, I did sing sectarian songs, thinking it was clever and funny .... if my son sang them now, I'd be furious with him. I haven't been to Ibrox for a few years, because of the bigots, we need to let them know they aren't wanted, no matter where we end up playing. I applaud the post and believe this is a more important issue than which league we're going to be in.

Well said! I loved the banter between the 2 clubs, but this is a chance for us to start again, we will see the true fans soon, and if need be in Div 3, perfect! Take what's due to us like real Rangers men! And am sure we will meet the other-side in the cup! (if we are allowed in it)

The way forward.

Speaking as an Aberdeen fan (life long), I think the only real reason why there is so much ill feeling to Rangers (and let's be honest Celtic as well), is the bigotry associated with both teams.

Being honest again, I know that the perception is far from reality. 99% of fans of the old firm are not bigots, however, if there is a positive, then perhaps starting again from the bottom and weeding out the 'fans' who drag down Rangers is not such a bad thing.

If "The Rangers Football Club" start again at the bottom, and, reach the heights again in the next decade, I for one will take my hat off and say, well done, you took your punishment and came back the bigger and better team for it.

Everybody deserves a second chance in life, it is not the players or the staff's fault, it is the directors and those who owned the team.

Good luck to Rangers on July 4th.

Totally agree with the OP, unfortunately it will never happen. Can't help but think there is a silent majority who believe this, but once the vocal minority start their nonsense everyone around them rather than telling them to shut up feels compelled to join in or be accused of being 'Timmy', so it appears to be a majority who are idiots. Not saying it's right, but now that Rangers has died I think I will be switching to supporting a smaller local side as I don't want to be associated with these filth anymore and I'm embarrassed to tell people I followed Rangers.

I am Rangers through and through, but in recent times I have found it very hard to justify why I still do it? Your post has helped me in terms of decency.
I do expect that creditors are paid, it goes against all that I think Rangers stand for not to pay your way?
Small businesses have been left out of pocket to pay extreme salaries, how wrong is that. As for not paying HMRC; just unbelievable; David Murray you are the worst thing ever to happen at Rangers? You are not a fit person etc etc

Lets be honest it isnt just celtic and rangers so points deductions wouldnt even anything out. This must go beyond celtic and rangers or weve only stopped the most obvious symptom.
Its about time the fans of all teams stood up to bigotry, right behind it.

Excellent post. Celtic and Rangers fans have united in noble causes in the past. Ibrox disaster springs to mind and I well remember the wait to see if my dad was coming home that day. Thankfully he did. A new Rangers team that shows good sportsmanship; is fair minded and upholds the rules; is inclusive; is family orientated; this is the brighter future. Seize the moment. Jokes and leg pulling are a positive aspect of healthy rivalry. But what we have all had to put up with in recent years is uncivilized. This could be a cleansing process.

Good post. Celtic fan of no religion speaking here, I droped my eldest son off at the local Nursery/Primary School 2 weeks ago and was walking back with
my youngest who is only 2 when a guy walking towards me with a boy around 5yrs stopped what he was saying, then when he thought I was past far
enough continued what he was saying "I‏n Ireland every year 50,000 orange men march...". I continued on home so didnt catch any more, I dont know the guy or
from what perspective he was describing this to a 5 year old. My point is while the clubs have at times over the years may have benefited from the bigotry
in terms of large numbers or followers there is still only so much they can do to eradicate it, it starts at home!

I would like to take my boys aged 4&2 to Parkhead but sad as it is I wont, its better now than it used too be but there are still too many idiots. I would
prefer they werent labelled Celtic or Rangers. Im thinking I will take them to the local team (Accies) and then they can make up their own mind or continue
as Accies fans. Hopefully they will have an indepence and strength of mind to make a choice of their own. I have known fans of teams outside the old firm
to be just as bad in their bigotry as some "old firm" fans so just hope Accies are ok in this respect.

(At least I wont be getting charged World Class and getting delivered average - �130 season for adult and 2 under 10's)

As a rangers fan im really glad this topic has been aired its so stupid these songs to a bygone age are old hat i like some of the new songs we had last season penny arcade and the moses mcneil song i always felt a bit uneasy with some of the old songs its not till your older and realise what they mean some of my best freinds are rc and some of our players are rc i dont care what anybody is as long as they are good people ive been called a f.....m b ...stf and o r ge b....st in the past after an old firm game there are bigots everywhere sadly its time scotland moved forward thank you to the decent bears you have done us proud and the celtic fans too keep it up lads lets have a new begining spread the word to fellow bears i cant comment on celtic its up to their fans

18 Jun 2012 13:39:37
So Ed which of our players will jump ship first? I'm thinking Naismith to Everton? {Ed039's Note - Goian in my opinion, he is already making noises)

There's a post on the club12 site saying Lafferty is down in Burnley talking over a move

AC75

The ship sunk last Thursday.

18 Jun 2012 16:11:02
When is this SFA appeal panel sitting
on the 12 month transfer embargo
fiasco? Are they going to hold off now
until Jul 4th and see the outcome of
the SPL vote on the newco ?

Transfer embargo doesn't stand for newco as all Celtic fans remind us it ain't rangers anymore its a newco.

The SFA now expect The Rangers to fail in their bid to get the 8 votes. By ensuring any ruling from them is after the refusal of the share transfer they hope that the only sanction that will be required by them will be the removing of previous titles. The SFA master plan is to let Celtic, Dundee Utd and Aberdeen muster votes against the newco to deflect the blame from their door.
This will also make the holding of registrations mute as the newco without a share has been advised by their brief's to make no attempt to prevent player movements under freedom of contract.
Players being advised to sit tight and let it all evolve, agents already securing deals elsewhere.

When are we going to get a watch football {Ed039's Note - Euro 2012 is on TV every night lol)

To my understanding ban dies with the old club ? Cp

Did Mr Green not put in an appeal against the court of session ruling( even though rangers won the case) stating will withdraw the appeal on day of the hearing in attempt to suspend any hearing by the appleate to beyond liquidation date....might be incorrect

The transfer embargo is the least of Rangers worries at the moment. The newco is not a registered football team and cannot sign players unless it enters a league. And all the signs are that it will not be the SPL.
Even if Green wanted (and had the money) to sign anyone, who will come to a club out of Europe, playing in SFL3 if they are lucky, and where the present players are likely to walk away soon ?
And with the SPL enquiry into illegal EBTs hanging over them too ?
Better to keep quiet about it, if the appeal panel does sit again, they will only do so to impose sanctions as severe or worse than the transfer ban.

Poster 5 is correct, you appealed the appeal decision!?! So it wouldnt be decided till after the cva had failed. Not only is the world against you but you are against yourselves.

I've just put a �5 on club 12 to win the 3rd division

If the ban died with the old club so must all the links. So -no history- no 3 year records. Not even qualified for 3rd Division. Good bye RFC Hello Spartans!

The last i heard the sfa was waiting untill the 21 day appeal option was passed so the decision was final and cannot be challenged in court their was a guy on tv tonight talking about feet and shoes and stuff bottom line was if rangers want to enter into spl in old rangers shoes then the s**t they stepped on will still be stuck to the soles

18 Jun 2012 16:02:51
Celtic fan here
My sister is married to the burnley forward Ross Wallace and he has told me that newco striker Kyle lafferty is down in burnley having talks over a possible transfer
Conor67

She's obvioulsy very popular. Congrats. {Ed039's Note - I thought Ross Wallace was a midfielder)

Thank god! I'd drive him there myself!

Ross Wallace is a left back.

Nice try.

TTG

Good-hope he gets it.

Good.

Good hes s**te anyway

Would have drove him down there myself hope hes off

Happydays he's wick anyway

Op here
Ross Wallace actually plays left wing for burley so thats what I call a forward maybe it's just me, he's not a left back was just passing on what I was told so TTG less of it mate it's 100% true. I AM his brother in law I wasn't making it up!
Conor67

Conor67 you're telling porkies.

Thats a loud of rubbish i live near kyle's home in Kesh in northern ireland and i work with 1 of his sisters and Kyle is still on his honeymoon and he is deffinitley not have'n it in burnley.

Kyle Lafferty is in Albufeira in Portugal at the moment so simply not true.

Thank god for that

Just saw lafferty in portugal with his wife and baby. keep the nonsense coming though

Why would Ross Wallace lie?
Conor67

Sounds like people trying to contest what they believe to be a lie with more lies. I, for one, am dubious about that rumour. I don't see why he'd move back to Burnley.

18 Jun 2012 15:52:11
SPL says Rangers have case to answer over use of EBTs
The Scottish Premier League says Rangers have "a prima facie case to answer in respect of [league] rules" over payments to players.

Rangers were investigated over alleged player payments outside of contract.

"Disciplinary charges will be brought when the future status of Rangers FC is clarified and prior to the start of season 2012/13," said an SPL spokesman.

Meanwhile, SPL member clubs will vote on whether a newco Rangers should be admitted to the league on 4 July.

Every club that played Rangers over the period where they paid their players payments that were outwith the tax rules should voice their opinion. Many clubs were put to the sword by Rangers international players and now we know why. They should have the fake stars removed from the jerseys and be forced to apologise for cheating.

18 Jun 2012 15:31:21
4th of July is the day the SPL will decide if Rangers can join for next season.

Motherwell Statement in Full. Make your own mind up but that reads as a YES to Cheatco FC for me.

The Board at Motherwell FC today released the following statement in light of today’s ‘Newco’ application to the SPL by Rangers FC.

“Confirmation has now been received from the SPL that an all club vote on the proposal to transfer Rangers share is scheduled to take place on 4th July. Motherwell FC are in the process of arranging a forum to discuss the issue with supporters of the club. Following that meeting, the board will meet and agree the club’s position and ultimately how we will vote if the meeting takes place as planned.

“The decision will be taken by the Director’s as a group, as the majority shareholding in the club is currently held under a Power of Attorney by Board members, pending the planned staged transfer to the ‘Well Society. No decision has yet been made by the club on the SPL share transfer, as we will only now see the full details of the proposal and be provided with the full information required. Considerable uncertainty on the implications for revenues and costs complicates our decision considerably.

“The Directors would also like to clarify that the comments made by Director Andrew Lapping in a letter to a national newspaper are entirely personal and are not in any way attributable to the club. Mr Lapping has played no active role in the running of the club for many years and is not part of the decision making group.

“The ‘Newco’ issue is often portrayed as a straight choice between preserving sporting integrity and clubs accepting a reduction in gate money together with potentially a significant amount of commercial revenue. In reality it is far more complex than that. We are fully aware that an overwhelming majority of our fans and most others, who have so far expressed an opinion, are totally opposed to ‘Newco’ being allowed immediately back into the SPL.

“The club has been flooded with correspondence from supporters of many clubs which ranges from fully reasoned arguments to direct threats concerning the consequences of a vote either way. Our Board of Directors is predominately made up of lifelong Motherwell supporters and we fully understand that fans are the single most important group within the club. History shows that any business which ignores the wishes of its customer base rarely prospers in the long term.

“In any event it would appear a yes vote may not even guarantee that ‘Newco’ will play in the SPL next season as the club is still subject to SFA sanctions and there is an ongoing investigation into the use of EBTs to make payments to players.

“The consequences of five or more clubs voting no to ‘Newco’ do also need to be understood and fully taken into account. In addition to lower gate receipts, we are likely to lose an as yet un-quantified amount of commercial revenue with a specific risk around TV payments. The clubs’ income from SPL distribution of commercial revenue was approximately 36% of the total amount generated last season, although this does vary year on year. A significant proportion of SPL income is obtained from TV and other broadcasting rights. The lack of clarity on what the actual impact of ‘Newco’ not playing in the SPL will have on these revenues is a major problem for the Board.

“Despite some reports, it is our understanding that Sky/ESPN have made no official statement on how they will react to a no vote and we believe that a number of other contracts could be re-negotiated if ‘Newco’ was refused entry to the SPL. We very much hope that sponsors and partners will continue to provide their backing whatever the outcome of the various ongoing processes.

“The common response to the potential loss of revenue is that clubs need to cut their cloth accordingly. Of course this could be achieved over a period of time, by reducing both on and off the field costs, but it cannot be done overnight. It is vital that we honour player and employee contracts and meet all our other obligations.

“We are in the healthy position of having no debt but have set our cost base in the expectation that income will be at a certain minimum level. In the event of a shortfall we do not have a bank or benefactor able to fund the gap. We clearly do not wish anyone associated with Motherwell, or any other club, to suffer as a result of events in which they played no part. Having been though a painful Administration process many years ago, we are also better placed than most to have sympathy with both the employees and ordinary fans of Rangers who are in no way responsible for the uncertainty they are facing.

“The Directors of any business have a duty to act in the best interests of the company or, in this case, the club. In normal circumstances, decisions are fairly straightforward but in this situation a decision either way is likely to have a significant impact on at least one of our key income streams. It is inevitable that there will be consequences if a business suffers a sudden drop in income. Instead of the usual process of deciding what is best for the club, we are currently faced with trying to decide on which is the least worst option. The stakes here are high.

“There are a number of other knock on impacts to this lack of certainty. Firstly we have temporarily delayed giving the club any access to the ‘Well Society funds. When we launched the Society we made it clear that we would not put the funds raised at risk and that they would be used only to assist with short term funding requirements at the club, when there was a clear source of repayment. In the current circumstances we believe that we can only fully protect the money raised by keeping it entirely ring fenced from the club until the outcome of the ‘Newco’ debate is known and the financial impact understood.

“In addition we will need to adopt a cautious approach to investing in the playing squad. To date we have not changed our previously agreed plans but this could change dramatically in the current weeks. The inability to accurately forecast future income could also impact on the production of our financial accounts.

“By any measure the events at Rangers are having and will continue to have a huge impact on Scottish football. It is our hope that the tax authorities and liquidator will investigate these events fully and are able to take appropriate action against those responsible for causing lasting damage to our national game.

“Whilst we fully understand that the ‘Newco’ issue is one which many people feel strongly about, we hope that our fans now have a better idea of the extremely difficult position the club is in and that you continue to offer support by buying season tickets and, if you have not already done so, joining the Well Society which remains very much part of the club’s plans for the future.

“We can assure you that any funds raised by the Society will remain separate from the club, until the position is clearer, but we remain totally committed to the fan ownership model. Whatever the outcome of the vote on ‘Newco’ it will be more important than ever that our fans stay loyal to the club, as we look forward to our debut in the Champions League, and that our efforts to grow the fanbase continue to be successful.

“On the pitch, these are very good times at Motherwell FC and it is vital that we continue to work together as a club to enable us to emerge from the current SPL difficulties with our integrity and optimism intact.”

So Motherwell are firmly in the YES camp.

No --If the 'Well fans show their opposition by not buying season tickets that will sway the balance.

Decision will be made before tickets

18 Jun 2012 14:42:01
walter should have made a bid well before now and they havent because they didnt want to be the villians that had to liquadate us so now they try and bulliey the man that stumped up his cash and is taking all the flack cause of walter and his backers putting a bid in at the last minute i say to all rangers fans back green and if walter and his team want rangers they will have to give green his 20 million and that is not alot of money for all our assets and a club wa no debt so the have to put up or be quite

But didn't green have a exclusivity contract with D & P that precluded any other bidder until the liquidation process began?

Zoombie rangers has debt of 5.5million as green only paid �2 for shares, the 5.5 mill is a loan which rangers have to pay back !

Didn't have an exclusivity deal preventing Walter putting a bid in before Green came on the scene

Walters having a laugh -too little too late.

18 Jun 2012 13:38:02
"The new company's participation in any league is also dependent on them either being given permission by the Scottish FA to have Rangers' membership of the governing body transferred to them, or a new one being created."

So even if SPL votes in favour, or SFL if not, SFA also needs to vote in favour.

18 Jun 2012 09:34:29
SPL secretary Ian Blair confirms an application has been received from Newco Rangers for league membership.

Hope all it sais is you can stick your SPL where the sun dont shine! DIV 3 LET IT BE!

A love how all use automatically think use r going walk in to division 3 and win ur way up!! Use will lucky to get in the top 6 the way things r going ? jimi jambos:-$

Oops looking for the Club 12 Rumours page?

When will there be the first new old firm game ?

Cant see them acepting it

Totally agree start in the 3rd, giv the team we r visiting our money that would be appreciated

Let me tell you how this is going to play out bears. The Green consortium are preparing to asset strip if they do not get to stay in the SPL. The only 2 ways to make a profit from the old business is to either build it up as a fan based share business that must remain in the top flight or sell off the assets at more than what they paid for them, which is highly possible. The other clubs will now not vote the Newco in as Sky has said they will continue to sponsor clubs. Dave King has confirmed that he has severe doubts about Green and co. Green will use the other clubs and the SPL/SFA as an excuse for selling of everything. Only saying.

Bit sneaky calling themselves Club 12 on the application form.

How and who will green sell everything to ? What's he going to sell a stadium to whom its can only be used as a football stadium for Rangers no other clubs going to buy it. There is still doubt of the players so he's not selling them and Murray Park can't be built on so he's not selling that he could only sell Ibrox and the albion car parks for development and even then I doubt he could do this right away. To me Green looked like a ghost figure when the CVA was rejected he looked like he knew he had a battle on his hands to get back into the SPL. If its division 3 a share issue is at least five years off either way he's in this for the long term or selling to Walter Smith.

Jim mccoll could give CG �20 million for the newco, loose change to a billionaire rangers man ........... but i wont hold my breath waiting on that happening .......

"Consideration of the application will depend on receipt by the SPL Board of all required documentation and verification."

Anyone know what Green needs to produce?

Jim mccoll could give CG �20 million for the newco, loose change to a billionaire rangers man ........... but i wont hold my breath waiting on that happening .......

Off the radar of course

Would imagine the owners of newco would need to provide some form of proof of working capital, like audited accounts and not empty words

17 Jun 2012 23:27:22
I have it from a very reliable friend from in ibrox that Walter has given green 3 days to sell or his bid is dead, they have offered 8.5m for the new Co. Green wants more, he is worried that fans will not back his ideas.

Expect to hear soon from Craig Whyte on why he believes he owns Rangers.

Hopefully he doesn't but I had been under the impression that Green had only gained control of his shares if a CVA was accepted. Can anybody shed any light on this. BB

Green has 80m worth of property. Hé puts that on open market, adios.

He owns the shares of oldco rangers which is to be liquidated... So no you won't hear this

Craig Whyte does indeed own Rangers, haven't you heard ?

They have been liquidated.

Anorak.

To be honest it best the newco distance themselves from any of the old guard its not doing the new club any favours time for a clean sweep

If Walter had offered that amount Wednesday then no need for all this. Ever get the feeling you've been had!

Give the Club to Walter NOW more people will follow him than Green and Whyte can P**s off. The Rangers Football Club 2012 WATP JD
wont take us long to get 54 titles lol

Green has stadium, training ground and car park.... how can he apply for SPL with this.... does he not at least need a team who have even shown they can play at least one game ?

Where is his announcement of a full squad of players capable of even competing in the lower divisions, let alone scotlands premiership ?

where is the team ?

There are no shares - the company has been (or will be shortly) - liquidated

or am i missing something?

bil72

I would think whyte will crawl under a stone forever now,its a newco he has nothing to do with

I'm thinking along the same lines as yourself, Craig Whyte still in the mix somewhere he's not going to just slip away that quietly.

My guess is he still owns the shares to the PLC which is being liquidated . Same as the other26,000 share holders means they get nothing . The liquidators have sold the assets to Green as they are entitled to do and as such any shareholders have no power . In effect he still owns RFC Plc but it's worthless

OP - that will explain Walter Mitty being thrown out by security then.

Ive been thinking about whyte since green came in to the now defunct rangers. Whyte being a clever man what I believe him to be would he really sell his shares for peanuts and leave himself open to being sued for millions by ticketus and hmrc his fingers surely must still be in rangers somewhere. Davegem

Not sure anyone really knows exactly what is going on. As for Walter etc, where were they pre liquidation with this bid ? It's shoddy to say the least to let Green do all the nasty work then try and nip in when the club he professes to love is liquidated. Why ? I can't see Green letting go for �10m never mind �8.5m

Good old Walter, like everyone else involved in mess, he come in once the horse has bolted.

That's the thing Mr Whyte is being very quiet, something stinks here I don't think this is quite over Bears.

Craig Whyte (via his company Liberty Capital) owns 85% of the shares in Rangers Football Club PLC. This company were placed in to administration. This means that court appointed officers are put in charge of the company (existing directors lose all power), and have to find a way to settle as much of the debt as possible. The company's assets can be sold to achieve this.

RFC PLC's business and assets sold by the administrators to Charles Green's consortium. The assets include the stadium, training ground, rights to the 'Rangers' brand and the football club - which is apparently separate from the company. (Players are employed by the company but play for the club)

Craig Whyte also holds a floating charge over the assets of the RFC PLC. Basically, this means that he's entitled to the 1st �18M of proceeds of any asset sale - with certain exceptions, most notably that the Administrators get paid before anyone!

So - Craig Whyte does still own RFC PLC, but that company has no rights to use the stadium, training ground or Rangers brand.

Dont think there's a snowballs chance in hell that the vast majority of supporters will back Charles Green, I wont be renewing my season ticket as things stand.

Craig Whyte ' u know that old liquidated comPany? I still own it!'
That would be really silly eh?

Craig Whyte does indeed own Rangers, haven't you heard ?

They have been liquidated.

Anorak.

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Not been liquidated yet smart ar�e!

takes about 8 weeks, TBH walter does not deserve to get the club anyway regardless of what the fans think of him, Green put his money up and rescued the club from being closed completely, then walter smith comes in with a BID the following week and gets all the fans against green, not fair in my book! to late Walter, pay greens 20million or let him get on with it!

What about Whyte's floating charge, there has been no mention of it being reassigned or cancelled.

Dave King arrived in Glasgow today to attempt broker a deal between all parties.

Would be totally shocked if CW has left himself open to circa �26M liabilities to Ticketus!

We will see soon enough I suspect.

Whyte being a clever man .................

Funniest comment since SDM claimed he was duped, Whyte has the business acumen of a Greek on crack.

He paid �1 and personally secured 18-27 million for a worthless business that lasted 9 months, and is being pursued by HMRC for a 14 milion tax fraud.

If you think this is evidence that he is a clever man, then I hope you are not on my jury.

Reads his email to D&P, he warns them to expect a hostile HMRC, but expects Rangers to exit administrtion via a CVA within days if not hours, which requires HMRC agreement !!!

The man is a complete nutjob.

Anorak.

From memory, Ticketus can't even get at any excess from the asset sale as the floating charge is registered in offshore company in Whyte's fathers name. He won't get much, but better than a poke in the face.

Green put his money up and rescued the club from being closed completely,....

I believe Green has admitted he put up very little of the money, he hasn't rescued the club, only bought a stadium, training ground and car park.

I wouldn't pay him 20 million, just don't buy tickets and he will sell cap in hand.

Does anyone really know Mr Green. He has bought the assets for 5.5 m... He wants in excess of 20 m to hand over to Rangers minded people.. I have heard quotes like Green is worth 80 m don't but season tickets he come cap in hand to Sir Watty and take next to nothing for the club.....What If.... Mr Green is a very cleaver business man WHO
is willing to GAMBLE 5.5 m to make more money from rangers minded people!!!! could be type of man to if he cant get the big bucks will asset strip prob make a little on his 5.5 and leave a great big dirty hole where the newco used to be....Be warned.

The Grim Reaper

#Anarak you were saying just a while back that hmrc would accept a cva, no exactly that wise yoursel then, eh.

#Anarak you were saying just a while back that hmrc would accept a cva, no exactly that wise yoursel then, eh.........

How impolite of you to menion and get my name wrong, I also bet Jim Furyk to win the U.S. Open, go figure.

Anorak is wise but like all geniuses....flawed.

The man is a complete nut job.cw
he is a rich nut job pulled a lot of money out of rangers my estimate is around 2.8m and he will walk away from this because it was the company that could not pay the tax because there was not enough money in the company bank to fund the business walk away rich and scott free ,,jc

He is a rich nut job pulled a lot of money out of rangers my estimate is around 2.8m ..................

He is liable for the Ticketus money and there is no record of him taking out any funds personally, if there was he would have been charged with fraud months ago.

Anorak.