Rangers Rumours Archive June 01 2012

 

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01 Jun 2012 22:39:04
i duff and pelterrs said their is enough money to pay players wages till july if i was a creditor i widney be happy thats fine pay the players £20.000 a week and i will take 9p in the pound these guys are duping us all again

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If I was a player I just simply could not believe it... The players will be added to creditors on 1st July and offered 9p in £.
I'd want paid in advance or 50% in advance.
Can D&P show players proof of funding? Say £5m cash in a bank account?

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Administrators by law cannot get into debt During Admin so there will be enough money to cover day to day running costs till July.

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Rangers players get paid on the last Thursday of the month. That's a while off though and still a lot can happen between now and then. And a lot can fail to happen. Like the wages materializing.

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To Hell with the players what about the supporters?

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I cant really believe whats happening!

Whats going on!

Embaressed.

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Shut Up are u not embaressed.

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Its time to jump the sinking ship, lets all wait and see who stays on board for a fraction of their wages.

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Why should they jump on board for a fraction of there wages alot of people on here think its the players that owe the club,its the other way round if you ask me
Andy

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You hold be embarrassed. IT'S JUST PLAIN WRONG. what happened to the fair scots?

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These players have milked us and delivered nowt. Good to see their backs as they walk off into the carpark and drive away in those expensive cars.

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Im a tic fan but to say these players milked u is nonsense, they won 3IAR and could have doubled there wages in england, ure a muppet and the sort of fan ure team doesnt need

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Muff and melters we solout you!

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Well said celtic fan. some of the stuff posted on this page embarrasses me an i think theres alot of people who should hand in their tops an season tickets an do one!

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If there is enough money now why did the players have to take a 75% cut in wages - they i feel have been D&P'd like the rest of us!

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The post was about the feelings of creditors. If I was a small business having to consider laying off staff because of this bad debt I would be furious. Not one single member of RFC has had their P45. No other administation that I have ever heard of pays unneeded staff when the cash flow stops.

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01 Jun 2012 21:19:31
Not defending SDM or any of the other usual suspects, but I still cannot understand why Lloyds chased Murray for the £18m - was more but got reduced - when his 'empire' owed £700m to Lloyds. The RFC debt was 2.5% of the total debt but Lloyds pushed RFC to be sold. Why? Up pops Whyte and Lloyds do no checks on where 'his' money comes from for the £18m or even a check on the man himself.
Who in Lloyds pushed this sale to the foreground and why?
Lloyds were going thro a 'debt to equity' conversion with MIH debt and reducing MIH debt.
From their accounts -
In the 10 months of the financial year to June 2011 in which Rangers FC was under the control of MIH delivered £8.7m in profit. Some £4m of that came from profit on player sales.
In the previous full financial year, the club delivered MIH some £5m profit.
But Lloyds seemed to push for the sale, why? {Ed039's Note - £18m is not an insignificant amount of money)

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You think lloyds tsb wanted the blame of putting rangers into inevitable administration?

they were desparate to drop rangers and their conduct should be investigated by the FSA.

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Not insignificant true, but in the scale of the total MIH / LLOYDS cockup - the RFC deal was nothing
Think these are valid questions that should be getting asked separately from the current RFC issues

bil72

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Please dont even try to defend SDM

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So now its Lloyds' fault!

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18 million is not a large amount of money for a multinational bank. Surely this guys post is due a better response than that ed. {Ed039's Note - at a time of recession the banks are looking to recoup as much as possible, a mere 18 million is nothing compared to their own black hole but it's still alot of money)

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18 million owed with very little prospect of recouping. Cant blame them for wanting shot of RFC.

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Lloyds knew what murray was upto when.they took over bos,and wanted out

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I worked in ltsb for years so I know a little about how banking works

When someone pays off a debt, the banks don't ask where the money has come from unless they can see further business coming from the answer. Eg I sold a house. Offer mortgage advice for new property/insurance/savings accounts etc

The bank has no need to investigate whyte. They were only accepting payment from him. If he were to borrow from them, then checks would be made

Customers gets loans/lump sums from many different sources to pay of debts. This is not unusual

As far as the comment about reporting them to the fsa

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What does the opening line say about not defending Murray!
Where does it say it is Lloyds fault or even implies that?
RFC fans were criticised for not acting or asking questions, no wonder with some of the replies.
The figures quoted are from an article from the BBC and where does the post refer or imply to an insignificant amount?
As far as I am aware Lloyds remain as the RFC bankers.
Apparently MIH operated EBTs for some staff, presumably a Tax bill is in the post.
Donald Muir from Lloyds, the man on the Board, as has been proven by the SFA enquiry for other Directors, must accept corporate responsibilty for his time on board.
Even after a recent £117m investment by Lloyds, MIH debt is now around £600m, which is not an insignificant amount.

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Running out of people to blame for this sorry mess, David Murray is a good starting point, why are you bears not marching towards the man who has single handedly brought you're club to the brink?

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I agree that as soon as lloyds took on bos, gettin the money back from rangers/mih was a priority. It's not a massive amount in terms of a bank but when there's a chance they could get a lot less back and the fact that there over 40% gov owned and under immense pressure from public/media to repay what they owe then £18m is a lot. Any other bank would have done the same.

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You should be glad you repaid lloyds. They would be the secured creditor and you would have been liquidated about three months ago had that been the case. At least it would hsve been quicker than the shambles we have now though....!

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Lloyds seem to be the only party actually involved in this whole affair who have come out smiling. That is to their credit.

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Lloyds own mim as they converted equity for shares over the last 3 years or so.
Murray still runs mim but if he dos't do as lloyds tell him they will convert there share to votin rights & that will be the end oF SDM.

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The reason lloyds made murray sell was becuase the own all this companys {m,i,m} for one.but lloyds the sfa never done there jobs by looking into whyte.everyone could tell he was a crook except the S.F.A. and Lloyds bank.i fear the worst for our club brcause i think they are all in it for what the can get .the administrators are f**King us aswell.

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01 Jun 2012 19:19:44
ED im just thinking..what would happen if the gers were demoted to 3rd division will fifa not include rangers in fifa 13 or will they get rid of the spl n the new game {Ed039's Note - EA Sports make FIFA, you would need to ask them although they certainly wouldnt be able to include them as an SPL team thats for sure)

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The only place they will beallowed to buy players

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Who gives a rats ass about fifa 13 pal our club nearly going under n ur bothered about a kids game get a life

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Post of the saga!

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FIFA 13 is the least of our problems ya clown.

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They will probably take them to court

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Demotion to SFL3 wouldn't happen.
Could get booted out of SPL.
Admission to SFL3 would not be clear cut.
Other teams think they would be ahead of us in getting admission to SFL3.
We're not exactly flavour of the month with FIFA/SFA/SPL, not sure what the SFL would do if the worst came to the worst and we knocked on the SFL door.

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Speaking of demotion would prefer that to suspension

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This scenario is quite probable.

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Think they would put them in the rest of the world section

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I think the problem here is with two governing bodies for the leagues, demotion is not going to happen. As far as I can tell, Rangers can be thrown out of the SPL (probably on the back of dual contracts), and then hope to apply for admission to the SFL.

As a consequence of the court case, the SFA will now have to select a replacement punishment, with the best option being suspension from the Scottish Cup for one r

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Hey now, I don't think clown is fair, true it shouldn't maybe the top priority at the moment, but without fifa 13, how will we win the champions league next year?!

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Did daddy let you on his push the buttons on his computer? graeme

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Yasss FIFA 13 haha

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Fifa 13 unlucky for some .

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01 Jun 2012 19:06:55
Just spoken to a friend who is at the SFA.
Says SFA will take a few days to reflect.
"La vendetta e un piatto che va mangiato freddo"
" revenge is a dish beast eaten cold" {Ed039's Note - Not naming anyone?)

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Does he get supplied with a mop or does he take his own ?? {Ed039's Note - Nice)

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What exactly does that mean? {Ed039's Note - I think the second poster is suggesting that their friend at the SFA is a cleaner and not anybody with any real clout, no offense to anyone who is a cleaner at the SFA)

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I'm confused. "Revenge is a dish beast eaten cold"? Are the SFA going to eat a handsome animal (dish beast) without cooking it first? Thought 'succulent lamb' was reserved for Scotland's finest 'journalists', lol.

You might be right but it certainly won't be as a direct result of your imaginary conversation or your expertise in cut and paste Latin.

D&P made a mistake appealing what was a light, yet fitting, punishment. Now we will face a tougher sanction which IS within the rules. The SFA will have to react in the same way the Swiss did with Sion and expel us from the league otherwise they may find themselves in trouble. Revenge will have nothing to do with it, bigger fish are watching.

Brian

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Think the post should have read "best" not "beast". Fair to say SFA will not be amused.

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Yes, it's called being vindictive

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So your pal is unemployed?
-he is at the S.F.A(Sweet F*&% All)

instead of coming up with nonsense in regards to your Annus horribilis try just
to take it on the chin....ye, that's right on the chin.

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So if the SFA punish Rangers it's them being vindictive? Just how deluded are you?!

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D&P made superb move - no one looking or thinking about the admin process.....

all talk about penalties and more court action and the butchers bill rises ever day, and gers fans dont get that sinking feeling, even now... how sad.

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Regardless if there is any truth in this or not, its about time we all stand up and admit we have been wrong all these years, man up and take whatever punishment they now feel fit to deliver. We must stop blaming others for our misgivings and it is obvious now that our arrogance is there for all the world to see. I just hope we are allowed to form a new team somewhere and that FIFA will grant us a licence.

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Ed, I think you'll find the phrase is in Italian. {Ed039's Note - I didn't say it wasn't, languages ain't my strong point)

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The saying is actually..... Revenge is s dish best SERVED cold...... It means wait a long time before getting your revenge and oh the victim gets to eat it and the person seeking revenge serves it.

The language is not Latin but Italian....

Glad to have helped .....there's shocking ignorance on this rumours forum ;)

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You will probably regret not just manning up and excepting the rather lenient punishment originally handed out.

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Accepting....not excepting....trueblue......

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Wonder if the "friend at the sfa" could be non other than mr regan as he has adressed the gers fans in a foreign language before although i think it was french then.im sure he's looking forward to dishing out his revenge

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There are two versions to this old mafia saying "served" is used when the intended victim will survive and "eaten" when they will not. Time will tell what is appropriate to Rangers.

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No its not vindictive. When you have tried to be lenient and you get slapped in response and some of your peers think that you have lost face doing something pro bono then you are going to take your time to consider your response. And this time you will most certainly not be the fool and laughing stock.

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01 Jun 2012 18:01:17
to all true blues lets all get behind
england now and stuff the sfa support the queens other eleven scottish foot ball think
they can do without us well lets go to
the third division and we will see how
the the premier league copes
without our money no rangers no tv
deal {Ed039's Note - No thanks mate, I will not be supporting England, not for any reason other than I am Scottish)

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Why would any proud scotsman support england.i dont hate them at all but i dont want them to win!

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Nah ur ok pal. graeme

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Your a disgrace. A Scotsman supporting england is like a fan of one of the old firm supporting the other. Anyway why would the queen want your support when your team are trying to rip her revenue and customs.

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You are having a laugh ! You really need to get over yourself ! you wonder why everyone is turning against you maybe it's because people like you think everything revolves around you !!
In case you miss my point !!! It's all about you

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I'm sure the queen feels suitably humbled at your support

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I would not support england at anything even if you paid me scottish born and bred scotsman for life {Ed039's Note - Me too mate)

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Shocking, why do you think every club in Scotland hate us!!!!!!!!!!

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Well said Ed I am a proud Scot who would never support England do you think Dutch fans would support Germany no chance.

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I will be supporting whoever iv got my money on, and that will be any team that plays england , coz they are lined up to be beat, i urge all my fellow gamblers to do likewise , lets make some money !!!!!! {Ed039's Note - Sounds like a good idea mate although I am better wi the horses than I am football coupons)

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Your well suited to be supporting Engerland, plenty of arrogance and no shame..........Stevie {Ed039's Note - Look at the other posts Stevie, I hope its not the same brush for everyone here)

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Disagree ed ...sorry...ill support the english 50% and the irish 50%...can you imagine an ireland england final....then the percentage would go toward the irish...we just werent good enuff and had the wrong manager is all...and i can see the world cup going the same way....thx for picking levein good ole sfa....deecee {Ed039's Note - Hmmmmm, odds on an Ireland/England final anyone, get your money on that deecee)

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No thanks, I'm Scottish so I am a Scotland fan, not like some Rangers and Celtic fans who support England and Ireland. I'm a Rangers fan too before anyone asks
Billy

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The second line in your post say's it all, you ma man are an idiot {Ed039's Note - It really should have went on the dodgy page)

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Good on you, lads! I was expecting backup for this guy from the Rangers support. As for me - no way, I won't be supporting England. In fact, quite the opposite. :) {Ed039's Note - I was hoping for this kind of reaction, any bigoted posts will not be posted and will be deleted but I can honestly say there has been none)

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Wow this post makes me feel physically sick You cant get your own way so you turn against your own country? How low can you get Words fail me

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Unfortunate response Ed, England fans support us all the time, I think it's time we paid them the compliment.

Good Luck, Good Bears

Gerry

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I wont be supporting england. I will however be celebrating on tuesday :)

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..No danger..

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As a betting man I will support whichever team my cash is on, so one day I could be shouting for England, the next I could be shouting against them. Apart from the betting side of things I don't really give a t*** who wins or loses, apart from the Germans that is, come on the Germans...Catweazle-talkingbone.

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Slim Jim - spinning in his grave to see a bear posting this.

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I'd rather stick red hot pins in my eyes than support the English. Why don't you zip off back to your own planet ya mutent !!

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This sort of munter is the type that has turned all right-minded thinking football fans again Rangers and the ones that initially has some sympathy for the club turning their backs as the club sinks.
No right-minded Scotsman would ever think about supporting our oldest enemy.
What also rubs other supporters up the wrong way is the sheer arrogance from the vocal minority like this munter who want to blame everyone else or have everyone else brought down with them.
Dignity and humility would be best saved if a statement of responsibility was release, punishment was taken and the club was raised through righting the wrongs of the past two decades.

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I only support 2 teams. Scotland and any team that plays England .

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Every so called Rangers fan who will not be supporting England is a disgrace to MY club. We are a proud BRITISH club and should be supporting OUR Queen's nation at any sport. Her Majesty's Jubilee, a Euros win for England and our wonderful nation hosting the Olympics. I have never in my life been more proud to be a true BRITISH gentleman.

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Best of luck to England but afraid Id find it hard 2 support them. We are pi5h. Until the system and mind-set up here changes (which will never happen), Im afraid we are destined to be backward thinking second-mearchants. Remember the UEFA cup final!!! Stuarty bear (A Realistic Scotsman)Best of luck to Craig Levein and the troops 4 the future...... {Ed013's Note - We understand!}

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Timmy here its Scotland and ABE for me the OP is the kind of clown that gives decent Rangers fans a bad name, why would you support a team with Cole and Terry in it

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Aye right true British gentleman you wana try say that without laughing next time

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Hats off ed and other posters, a bit suprised wi your answers but good stuff, i hope england get humped i canny listen to their arrogance on the telly,nothing against their players but.

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Hi ed interested in your comment about being better at the horses than coupons
can you advise a winner my last 16 bets have resulted in 12 seconds and three winners (help) {Ed039's Note - Check the betting page mate, also the tips in the daily mail are useful I find)

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I was the Alloa fan that congratulated the rangers fan who put the best post I saw on this site. Can the rest of the rangers fans not realise if more of you were like that fellow you may have some residual of sympathy from the rest of Scotland ( though I think that has now gone forever). Posts like this do you no favour, and I am someone who really likes the English people.

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"I have never in my life been more proud to be a true BRITISH gentleman."
Dont know what any Rangers fan has got to be proud of at the moment

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I for one am only interested in Rangers and Scotland ,could not care less about England ,I for one would love to see Germany win Euro 12 have always been a fan of German football and I have always admired the way Bayern Munich go about their business

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Who is edd 39? {Ed039's Note - Me)

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To the guy asking about the horses try the racing post app on iPhone I've been in profit every week from don't get greedy though doubles n trebles normally come in

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To the guy who is BRITTISH. why? they hate us. read the english edition of the sun. fud.graeme.

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No your Ed039 lol. Who is Edd 39 the person asked... do you know? {Ed039's Note - Yeah its me)

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This guys post what peoples perception of Rangers fans are, there are some small minded morons that support England before Scotland, like the other mob with their 'wish I was Irish' mentality, but the vast majority don't, so the brush should stay in tar.

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Celtic supporter here, are u having a laugh i like most off their players i like watching the prem league, but i love watching them lose as most true Scotmen do, Celtic and Scotland for me always. We have just as many idiots who support Ireland and not Scotland i just don't understand not being proud to be Scottish the country were are born in. maccabhoy

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We keep hearing on this site about avoiding sectarianism, is being anti- English sectarian? If not, its small minded, we are not there so I will be supporting our fellow Brits and our neighbours!

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If we Rangers fans aint British, why have we all the Union Jacks at Ibrox? I think there are some imposters posting on here lol

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Check your passports lads.....if you have 1....your British....rule Britannia...go on England.

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Brain dead or what ?

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Seriously over-estimating the importance of Rangers to the SPL. And as for supporting England, why not keep supporting Rangers instead? Or do you now do walkiing away? {Ed039's Note - Touche)

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British, is a geographic nomenclature which applies only to residents of the island of Great Britain, the British Isles or Islands. Therefore citizens of Ulster are not British, they are citizens of the United Kingdom who live on the island of Ireland. The island of Ireland is not one of the British isles or islands. The correct geographic nomenclature for residents of Ulster is Irish, they live on the island of Ireland.

Anorak.

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The last time i looked Rangers play or played in a Scottish league not a british one . spl not bpl

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Rangers fan, Scottish and British. I don't however have anytime for the National team and the gentlemens club that is the SFA.

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Quite right why would any true Scotsman wont to be associated with a national team that is run by a corrupt anti Scottish board that sponsors cannot ditch fast enough because of the league fixing scandal that is already bn reported to theThe International Centre for Sports Studies (CIES) organised a round-table conference in the Swiss town of Neuchatel on Wednesday to examine the issue of sports betting and match-fixing.

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Agree with the post about union jacks at ibrox .who's kidding who here
and also all rangers home games end with the anthem " GOD SAVE THE QUEEN " am a rangers fan masel even am bemused

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England can get to f**k. I can truly say I hate them. We are a SCOTTISH club. Support your country mate. Queens eleven? What a load of s**te. Really hate this crap being associated with our club. Scottish and proud.

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Think you'll find the island of Ireland is part of the British Isles. Obviously celtic fans don't get tought geography in their schools.

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So all gers are scottish through and through. So who is it that sings God Save the Queen and are happy to fly england flags at ibrox {Ed039's Note - 45,000 at Ibrox, I didnt know that many folk confirmed they were Scotland fans on this thread)

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01 Jun 2012 16:30:26
hi ed what spl chairmen should remember that football is not above european labour laws,if jean marc bosman had not went to court clubs would still have to pay a fee for out of contractplayers,so football clubs not a special case compaired to other buisnesses

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Here's some straws to clutch

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You miss the point. Rangers can hire as many people as they like. However the SFA won't register them to play. No employment rules are broken.

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& you also miss the point
Bosman set a precedent - Law of the land trumps the skewed laws applying to football

bil72

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No it doesn't . No law in any land can compel FIFA to allow a club or an association participation

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01 Jun 2012 10:40:25
I stand corrected ED her is an extract of an article from stv .sport the headlines where

Will Craig Levein’s old enemies offer him the Scotland job?

When the then-Hearts manager was fined £1000 for criticising referee Dougie McDonald in 2003, Levein refused to pay up, arguing that he had not been allowed to present his case to the SFA. When he then refused to attend a meeting of the General Purposes Committee the fine was doubled and a four-month ban imposed. Levein won an interim order at the Court of Session and intended to fight the ban citing freedom of expression under the European Convention on Human Rights before an amicable agreement was reached.

the full article can be seen here

www.sport.stv.tv/football/137906-will-craig-leveins-old-enemies-offer-him-the-scotland-job/

love to know peoples thoughts on this

Lochaber Bear

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Theirs a difference between individuals going to court than fifa licensed clubs

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It was a footballing matter levein was hearts manager well why not take it to outside courts ? SFA and FIFA just like to dictate and be the big cheeses rangers should fight FIFA if it comes to it the reason gers took it to court was the transfer embargo was not a fit punishment to the crime ? It could be worse but the rangers lawyers. Must fancy there chances knowing this could happen

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Craig levein is an individual. Rangers are a football club who have signed up as a member of the sfa and thus uefa and therefore agree to be bound by their rules.
Its becoming tiresome rangers fans digging up all sorts of lunatic comparisons in vain attempts to justify the plainly unjustifiable.

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Who provides protection to rangers when they play abroad ? who ensures that in undemocratic countries the local government doesnt enact court edicts against you ? Rangers play in a football system which encompasses the laws of many countries. Imagine a situation where rangers playing in a foreign city find their players kicked off the park and fans attacked. The only thing that prevents this arising is uefa. Everyone has to abide by the rules or It will be chaos. Rangers are in trouble over this. They should have gone to cas, where they would have had a Fair hearing.

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What exactly makes this a Rangers related story? I am totally confused

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01 Jun 2012 16:48:10
RANGERS will take part in this summer's Markus Liebherr Memorial Cup tournament along with hosts Southampton and Premiership giants Arsenal on July 14.

The Light Blues will travel to St Mary's Stadium for the unique three-team event as part of their preparations for the forthcoming SPL campaign.

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5 aside? {Ed039's Note - No Under 19s lol)

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Hope someone's paying the bus fare.

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Which of the teams will be in spl ?

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Lol you got to laugh wow southhampton lol more plz u cheering me up

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I guess you have to stay optimistic.....
I for one would not be making to many plans for travel and accomodation at this time...

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Part of whose "preparations for the SPL campaign?" Southampton haven't applied for RFC's SPL spot, have they?

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What's wrong with Southampton? Good decent club. Going in right direction with solid finances behind them.

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Going there to beg Arsenal for the shares back?

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Lets see now...real madrid in philadelphia or southampton in eeeehhhhh southampton.....you have found your level if you can find a bus company to take you there!...or you could thumb a lift maybe...thats the difference all you bears.... {Ed039's Note - We aint players so the fans cant afford to get to the south of england?)

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01 Jun 2012 16:20:51
Struggle to understand D&P logic in agreeing to let players leave on the cheap in return for reduced salaries. There should have been a massive clearout on day 1, players that could be sold should have gone for realistic sums and season ticket holders charged at the gate. Lots of small businesses have lost out and the main creditors would have been more inclined to accept a CVA. It would have restored some much needed pride.

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£850k for Whittaker is 'realistic' must be a David Murray valuation

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Ally advised D&P on footballing matters and persuaded them that keeping the team intact would make the club more sellable to a future buyer.

You all conveniently forget all too soon. Remember the admins on TV saying they were taking Ally's advice? These contracts and walk away clauses are what ally negotiated between the players and D&P.
Ally wanted to retain the league in his first year and make it 4 in a row. But they ended up playing guff anyway.

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You are forgetting that the transfer window was shut, they could not sell them, not possible

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They would not have been sold they would have been released leaving us with no team to get us to the end of the season and no assets such as we have now. That was a stupid post

JG {Ed039's Note - Yes they would have been made redundant)

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Struggle to understand why the papers are not full of pictures of the non playing staff in the street with their p45s. They cant all be laying the grass!

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Wage bill for the 3months would be less than transfer fees for the guys accumulated? So more money into the cva pot

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D&P made a massive booboo with the wage cut/cheap sell on prices....I agreed with the wage cuts but they shouldnt have put in cheap prices in the deal...they should have held out for what they could get for them then pay them back the money they lost on the wages from the transfer fee....only my opinion...

Tam-Sir 1873 Looking forward to a long weekend...

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Not only was the transfer window shut then it is still shut now and they are on full wages?

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D&P should get a medal for keeping Rangers going long enough to be sold as a going concern, you need a spread sheet to keep track of all the hurdles and obstacles that should have liquidated this fiasco.

Anorak.

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Why should season ticket holders be made to pay at the door?We are the ones who fork out £400+ a season.I understand we want to save Rangers,but honestly,fans would probably refuse to pay for a ticket they paid for in advance.

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01 Jun 2012 12:38:03
Rangers' top players will be available on cut-price deals from Friday under clauses in their contracts, as they revert to their full salaries.
The squad agreed to cuts of up to 75% at the beginning of March, as administrators Duff & Phelps sought to avoid sweeping redundancies.
In exchange, several players insisted on minimum release clauses.
It means players like Steven Naismith, one of Rangers' prize assets, could be sold for £2m.
Others who have similar clauses include Steven Whittaker (around £850,000) and team captain Steve Davis, who would be available for in the region of £1.65m.
Kyle Lafferty, who has just a year left on his contract, can go for about £500,000, with Maurice Edu even cheaper at just £300,000.
Scotland international goalkeeper Allan McGregor and the Romanian defender Dorin Goian have also negotiated release clauses.
Rangers manager Ally McCoist has voiced his desire to hold on to his key players, though the decision is likely to be taken out of his hands.
Prospective owner Charles Green's plans for the squad are unclear, but any revenue from player sales, under Duff & Phelps' proposal of a company voluntary arrangement, would go to the company for the benefit of Green's Sevco takeover vehicle, rather than to creditors.
Only money already owed to the club for previous transfers will go into the creditors' pot through the CVA.
While any bids matching the players' clauses must automatically be accepted, it does not follow that the player will necessarily leave Rangers.
It gives them the right to speak to a bidding club, but it remains possible the players involved could stay with the club.
The clauses run for the remainder of the players' existing contracts, but with salaries again to be paid in full, the administrators and Green must deal with a disparity between income and outlay.
The CVA proposal estimated a shortfall of around £3m, which it is expected will be met by Sevco through either transfer fees or season ticket revenue.
If that revenue is insufficient to meet what are known as the CVA trading costs, the administrators will fund the shortfall from the £8.3m loan from Green's consortium and that figure will subsequently be deducted from the creditors' pot.

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The exodus will begin shortly - don't think there will be any loyalty! Even if the wages were restored it would be short term. There's too much uncertainty and the agents want to look after their players (and themselves). Moves will have been provisionally agreed while all the crap has been going on and WILL go on for weeks to come.

Rangers will be decimated by new sanctions also.

Green will walk away. It's the end!

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Surely the 5-1 stuffing in USA will reduce the values.

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So for a lone of 8million Greene could net over 10 million in player fees. Absolutely shocking and one of the reason that a CVA is unlikely to agreed. Moneys from sales should go to creditiors

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Why would anyone pay £850,000 for Whittaker thought these deals were'cut price'

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The exodus will begin shortly - don't think there will be any loyalty! Even if the wages were restored it would be short term. There's too much uncertainty and the agents want to look after their players (and themselves). Moves will have been provisionally agreed while all the crap has been going on and WILL go on for weeks to come.

Rangers will be decimated by new sanctions also.

Green will walk away. It's the end!

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you cannot question the players loyalty i personally think they have been fantastic considering, would you drop your wages from 25k p/w to 3k p/w? NO, none of this is their fault the three years before last season were sensational. You seem to forget all our best players could have left back when we entered administration.

Another senseless Rangers fan

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Players agents have been sorting them up for 4 months. Watch them walk. U don't give em 25% salaries they joined u to enjoy then hang around when they can pocket 75% of there sign on fees as recompense. Even the young guys have deep uncertainty at rangers.

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When rangers took the sfa to court they knew what the result would be, i read somewhere that the cva only applies if rangers can play in spl scottish cup league cup, this now looks unlikely, so its newco for rangers, creditors get to blame the sfa, rangers apply to spl , looks like this is greens plan .............

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Any money raised should go to pay off debts! Having said that I do not believe that Rangers will get even the amounts quoted for some of these players they are over-rated hence they lost a fifteen points lead last season.

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You said £850,000 for Whittaker did you not mean £850?

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Out of 4 tournaments before the end of October; champions league, Europa league, Scottish cup and league cup then lose a 15 point lead before going into administration in February, then lose the league by 20 points....... Not champion players.

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In the near future, we will find out exactly who does walking away after all ...

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Was that a rumour or a copy and paste job ??

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Transfer windae doesnt open till July 1

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Now the transfer ban is gone never to return, Mike McDonald can come back in with his gazillions to buy new players.
Happy days.
Oh and the Jedi knights will come back and do mind tricks with the SFA....'these aren't the droids you're looking for'

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01 Jun 2012 11:24:55
how can we talk about transfers when we,re just living from day to day.everytime something good happens we get brought back down.i have tried to keep positive but its hard when we have all these so called experts posting made up rumours and thats me not even talking about the animals from the east who are loving every minute of our troubles. airdrie bear

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East of Airdrie? Falkirk,Stiling,Fife ,Dundee,Edinburgh,Aberdeen,even Brechin,Montrose and Forfar. Yep your right! We are all just loving it.

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Why don't we just let Rangers carry on as if nothings happened, lets forget all about the cheating, tax and double contracts, for every good Rangers supporter its a shame there are 10 dumplings who drag you down, at the start of all this I was all for Rangers at least getting some form of punishment and getting back into the league, now though because of some of the clubs recent actions i hope they throw the book at you, an apology goes a long way to mending the bad feelings many hold against Rangers now, the big bad beastie thought they were above everything and everyone, now that public opinion is turning against Rangers, they will feel the full force of FIFA and disgust from fans of every other club, you tried to bite the hand (SFA) which kept you afloat, even they have had enough of you're self pity and me me me attitude, I hope its a case of goodbye to bad rubbish, Scottish football will survive and be better off without you, just like the good old days of the 80's before Murray took over and borrowed money on the never never, like other so called elitists Rangers became parasites and now thank god are about to be exterminated.

pissed off SJ fan.

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I am a Celtic fan I do not come from the east nor am I an animal and the more remarks like this I see the less sympathy I have for RFC but to be honest I dont waste my precious time gloating cos you're not worth it

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To the Celtic fan whose sympathy is lessening by the day. The OP is undeniably wrong to have sweepingly generalised and called all Celtic supporters animals but it is unfortunately all too common in today's society and the genuine supporters who form the vast majority, such as yourself, are rarely recognised. Clearly, there is a faction within your support, as there is within ours, that may merit this title with their behaviour on occasions but the majority in both camps do not in my opinion.

Unfortunately, this type of reference is not exclusive to the support either as I experienced personally. A number of years ago I was at Celtic Park in a working capacity conducting a survey on the roof of the main stand shortly after it was built. Myself and a colleague were escorted to the roof by an employee who, for the duration of the visit, spoke about the forthcoming visit of the 'animals' the following weekend. I had just secured my ticket for the game that morning and it was in my back pocket. However, I remained silent and let my colleague, a rugby fan with no interest in football, continue the conversation. The hatred was evident throughout and the entire conversation which was a one-sided rant about how terrible 'Rangers' fans were. It was not what I expected to hear from a representative of Celtic FC. I have absolutely no doubt that Celtic supporters will have experienced similar situations when visiting Ibrox under the same conditions, so this is not a similarly biased assessment per se. It merely highlights the difficulty we face in trying to eradicate this type of behaviour, which is deemed by some as acceptable, if the clubs themselves pay lip service to what they preach (Jardine, for example, does not represent my feelings on what has been going on recently - we deserve to be punished and the embargo was a fair punishment in my opinion).

Anyway, just wanted to say that we are not all the same as the OP.

Brian

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Tried to be as sympathetic to the plight of Rangers as i possibly can be, have friends who support the club and have even taken my son to Rangers match this season v St. Johnstone. then trash like you come on....last straw really. hope to see this club of 140 years of cheating and bigotry die.

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Animals? with the record travelling rangers fans have on the road with wrecking cities for over 40 years id say that describes your fans much more aptly!

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Am a celtic fan am not from the east and not an animal but your right on one point i am loving it

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Good point Brian, the sooner both clubs are shot of the bigoted hate mob that attatches itself to our support the better.

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Seems its the bear huntin' season. Miller should have hung around.

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To airdrie bear...you bet we are loving it...

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M8 you might think its living day to day but it feels more like a life support system waiting to get unplugged

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Airdrie bear you are a sad man, I'm glad my Ranger supporting friends would never refer to Celtic supporters as animals and as a Celtic supporter I hope Rangers come through this and we can then carry on with the football and a bit of banter between proper supporters from both clubs

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01 Jun 2012 07:28:21
lets get back to posting transfer rumours on here everyone , to much doom and gloom , Rino is comming home to ibrox also hearing from my good friend Ian Black will be our first new signing ,rudi skatchal also mentioned .... {Ed039's Note - Still can't sign anyone while in administration)

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Op i think we need to be able to walk before we start to run, right now we are crawling but hopefully after the 14th we can get on our feet. then you can start the crazy transfer patter

JG

JG

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Shouldn't be signing anyone, pay your debts in full then no one will have an issue with you signing players. That's the rule for every other club, do you honestly think any club on the planet will trust you to pay for any player, e.g. Jelavic, ask Rapid Vienna.

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Rino putting the weight on, it won't help by playing him with chocolate buttons. WE HAVE NO MONEY nor are we likely to have, these guys may come very cheap/free but their weekly wage can't be matched by us, get used to playing a young (read cheap) side , no bad thing in my book, play ther same squad for a few months and they will gel into a decent team capable of holding their own against most teams.

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Skacel has signed a new one year deal with Hearts and Black is going to Derby. Facts - I know them!

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Patience Ed039

bil72

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Is this the same Ian Black that the rangers fans wanted banned for life after the tackle on Jelavic, oh how the worm has turned.
67coatbridge

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I was going to give a bit of stick about the posters fantasies about player signing, but the "paying rino with chocolate buttons" comment was priceless. Good to see you can still have a laugh

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Black will fit in well with McCulloch , injuries dished out all over the place .

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Chill out ed, op said back to rumours lol.BLUNTRU72 LLRFC

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On the local news down here that Lovenkrands tops the list of players to be released by NUFC. Are you going add him to the list of ex-players coming back.
Al

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Can't sign anyone while the transfer window is shut! which it is till July 1! and who knows what will happen between now and then - get a grip people

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01 Jun 2012 01:33:27
it the 1st of June, have the players and staff been paid wages in full, because if they have then its a sign things may have a silver lining but if they have not and theres a delay, then maybe liquidation is the true agenda {Ed039's Note - Its not necisarily payday today, it's from today that their wages revert to original rates)

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The players don't get paid today,they get paid,they hope,full wages at the end of the month.
Wee problem caused by this,though.CVA proposal says any player sold after 12th May,D&P can retain transfer fee to pay bills and not give cash to creditors.In other words,we can use any income from sales to pay McGregor 25k a week while stuffing creditors.Another reason why CVA will fail.Also,any shortfall in running costs to be made up from creditors funds,which is actually a LOAN from Green,repayable over 8 years,no hard cash.Creditors will not vote for this,therefore no CVA,no funds to pay wages at end of June.That's if we're still in business after the SFA/FIFA have their say,due to our administrators stupidity in going to court. {Ed014's Note - The majority of clubs pay players around the middle of the month.Rangers will be the same.

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Why are all the non playing staff still in employment? Any other business and they would be out the door. What is going on

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"Why are all the non playing staff still in employment?"
To make sure that tax and PAYE are being paid?
Is Margaret Thatcher on this rumours page? These are ordinary people earning a living. I don't like people being made unemployed,but it looks like that is what is going to happen so that some rich people can get richer.
I think D&P were trying to sell the club as a going concern shortly after taking over. It makes some sense to try to keep the staff to keep the club running. Even the players were seen as an asset. If there had been wholesale reductions in the playing staff then the club may not have been as attractive to investors nor may they have finished 2nd.
The problem is that this has dragged on much longer than anyone expected.
The only query I do have is Bartley. He was a loan player and not an asset of the club. I don't know how much he was costing Rangers, but I doubt if Arsenal were paying all of his wages.
Al

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Have yez no shame?

The people you want out the door are the ones who will have nothing to go to and who did nothing wrong.

If that is the best you can muster for the Rangers "family" then anything you get from here on in you deserve, and I don't believe despite the best efforts of the SFA/SPL that there is much good coming your way.

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Shocked to hear Bartley is still here draining resources.

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I wasn't suggesting that Bartlet was still at Ibrox (probably isn't), I was commenting on him even being there to the end of the season since he was not a sellable asset as the others are.
Al

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01 Jun 2012 00:39:01
Can somebody answer me one question?

I am only asking this question because I really want to know the answer. Before I get replies of you done wrong and deserve everything you get brigade, I am not arguing that point. I am not suggesting that this is what I want or is it a way to wipe the slate clean.

If a newco happens, does the fines & embargoes , and the SFA/ UEFA/ FIFA problem on the old co die with the old co?

If the debt under an old co dies, and I know that there was talk of a new law where the debt transfers to newco, but I also have checked and that law is not on the statutes. Therefore do the fines etc die too?

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If the fines and sanctions die so be it
but the history and trophies die with those

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Im fed up hearing about the 'Blue Knights'...I think the Knights Templar ( with all that hidden treasure ) have a better chance of buying you.

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I think any fine or sanctions get attached to the spl share and have to be excepted by the newco in order to get a licence from the sfa weather its legal or not rangers would have to except it before the sfa gives them a licence thats what am being told

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A newco would start afreash no fines or sanctions. However they would have to apply to the spl to take over the old co spl registration.

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Basically you screw everyone you owe money to and move on but your alright and guilt free. i think every club will start doin it if its this easy {Ed039's Note - Many businesses do it, and there are some that do it time and again)

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If a newco hoped to be voted in to the SPL then conditions would be attached (fines/ point deductions etc) but if a Rangers newco hoped to start at div 3 with no sanctions then the old rangers and all the history would be dead.

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I think its upto the other SPL clubs as to what punishments a newco is given.

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1) I would think that is likely but if all the debt etc dies I would also think the clubs list of achievements dies with the oldco too

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If the fines etc. are considered part of the club's history then should all history be wiped if sanctions are?

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If a company is liquidated all debts fall with the company except those held under guarantee. All assets are realised and the money should then go back into the pot to pay off preferential creditors.

All monetary fines as far as I am aware would fall with the company as they have no preferential status.

It is only preferential creditors that need to be paid. HMRC are not even a preferential creditor as that change a few years ago but the liability is such they are a major creditor not preferential.

At the end of the day HMTC and Ticketus now in normal circumstances they could get nothing so administration is the only option for them. If ligudated the assets are normally sold to he highest bidder - Green.

Thats why it was pointless to fine Rangers any more and also why embargo was the only option that would have any impact. If they throw them out anyway they have to re-apply and then can come back as newco. As the other clubs are too scared to have a league without Rangers they are voted in regrdless.

Duff and Phelps new the SFA hands would be tied due to FIFA rulings and the only option open to the SFA is to throw Rangers out.

I suspect this was the plan from
the start as Ranger will be heavily restricted coming out of Administration.

Newco always made financial sense and and I still think it will happen.

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Op here, thanks guys, although I an still not much clearer.

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You can't wipe history, as its history , its fact ,its what happened, so old co, New co or whatever co is left at the end of this our history will remain, Any new co will start a fresh, with a chance to build a futuer and to write its history, I love my club I always will, what has happened is wrong and we all suffer for it, if we could pay every penny to every creditor then we would, we should except whatrver punishment is given and move forward, and build a club that can hold its head up in the world of football,

Wibblyblue.

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Usually the old co spl share - becomes 'golden' its the thing of most value.... and it also has any fines, penalties etc

newco can get its own brand new spl share - but whats stops any 5-a-side team trying to join spl ???

so newco without history starts at div3 - and there is waiting list for that!!

or newco with history and fines/penalties/suspensions etc with oldco share can seek to join spl... but the penalties if dual contracts found to be true could be 1000 points deduction.... certain relegation.

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If use start as a newco then the fines and sanctions against rangers fc would. Not transfer from the sfa but u would be subject to sanctions from the spl

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Ed039 right again
This 'business practise' is not unusual- happens every day - its not right but that's the way of the big bad world.

bol72

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Yes it does happen every day ...........But, so does murder!

That doesn't mean we have to stand for it. I for one am ashamed by our club's behaviour in all this and I am also ashamed at all the people posting here thinking it is OK to stiff everyone for the money we owe them.

Even more embarrassing is Mr Green factoring in transfer fees due to Rangers in his business plan while not paying fees we owe to other clubs - It's Disgusting - Jaxie

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Ed Re businesses doing this on a regular basis. When this happes reputable trade organisations,confederations or guilds expel them. Good job SFA etc....

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OP here, not saying that this should happen in any way shape or form. I am appalled at the mess we are in, I am disgusted to the core, and the last thing I am suggesting is to screw any more people than we have already done. Just a point that i did not know the answer to, and to be honest there are that many differing answers that i am still unsure.
I tried very hard to say that in the post this is not something that i approve of at all, and yet seem to stress that the loss of history would accompany any newco, I get that!

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Wibblyblue, I suggest you have a look at the Airdrie Utd wikipedia page.
Founded 2002 and no honours prior to this. No mention of the Scottish cup wins or their leauge championship that Airdrionians acheived nor any mention of the honours of Clydebank whose registration they took.
Al

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Agree ,ed, it happens every day,but usually by crooks and gangsters,ring a bell? if rfc go oot the game and come back as a newco the history dies with it, the new teddy bears start with championships 0,sfa cups 0, league cups 0,euro trophys 0, argue all you want but thats the reality.

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The Ed is spot on, there is a major fashion retailer who has done it twice in the past 5 years and left local people who supplied a service to them thousands out of pocket
Dmrangers {Ed039's Note - Yeah some people think its only "bad" companies that do it, but there are many high street retailers who have done it and come back as newco's and by mergers, I am not justifying Rangers actions just that this situation is not as unique as people think)

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What about this for a plan. All rangers fans get together and tell the club that they are boycotting all future home games unless Green and the consortium promise to pay all monies to all creditors over the next ten years with no interest. Rangers would b skint obviously during this period but at the end of it all you could once again hold heads up high. {Ed039's Note - I see that as a bit of a non starter)

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What parts the non starter ed. all rangers fans standing together. {Ed039's Note - No the boycotting ........... can you see everyone boycotting games if creditors are not paid because I cant)

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Well if they boycott the games then nobody gets nothing. At least this way the creditors get what their due and rangers exist. {Ed039's Note - I understand the reasoning behind it, its just not something that would ever happen thats all)

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