Rangers Rumours Archive June 25 2012

25 Jun 2012 17:24:54
Fellow gers time to give it a rest stop blaming other club fans some of them go over the top as well with their stupid posts though they are allowed their views same as us. It wasn't them or our fans that got us into this situation. We are all footy fans each supporting our own clubs lets all show respect where it's due, and for the sake of Scottish football lets hope this disaster is resolved amicably and we can get on supporting our own teams and have the usual but not
Malicious banter.
Bobby

Never will I forget these teams that vote against us, they have danced on our grave and kicked us when we are down and ENJOYED it!, they will suffer due to lack of funding watch how the interest in Scotish football drops with only one team capable of winning the spl, We will go to the third division with points deductions and will find it very hard to attract a good standerd of player so it wont be as easy as we think to come straight back up to the top league but here's hoping!

Well said Bobby - a lot of goodwill toward Rangers fans has been lost with the "we hope you die too" knee-jerk. I can understand why people feel betrayed but that frustration needs to be aimed at those who got us into the mess and not those who are just as innocent as the decent Rangers punters. This is a Scottish problem - I still hope that this mess will actually be the catalyst for a root and branch change in the game for the better of us all.

Fans from other clubs have largely stopped buying season tickets for their teams in order to put pressure on their club's chairmen to vote no to Rangers in the SPL.

Don't really have a major problem with that as I don't think Rangers should be in the SPL next season myself.

Anyway, my point is, they're all going on about how their chairman voting against Rangers is a victory for sporting integrity.

But is it? Or just the chairmen deciding that if their fans did continue to boycott season tickets then they would lose out even more money than if they voted for Rangers? Don't see any integrity in threatening your own club and I think a lot of them are kidding themselves on to be honest. BB

To the first reply, I am delighted. Rangers fans have scoffed and scorned us so called "diddy teams" for many years as they, we now know cheated their way to fraudulently obtained titles. Every team has it's moronic faction, of which I consider you to be. But it's people like you who make us "diddy team" supporters despise your team. You still can't see what your team - not you or your fellow fans - did, nor can you accept your team deserve punishment.

And while we are at it, if it was my team - the fifth nail in your coffin -or any of the other so considered "diddy teams" - would this debate be required or even taking place? We would be consigned to the third division, no one would have even given consideration as to any other option, and many if not most of you would be gloating, in exactly the same way. But you have believed, for so long, that you were too big and too important to be dropped from the top flight - yet your importance was borne solely from fraud and cheating. So pardon me when I shed not a single tear as I watch you slump to a lower league, a travesty if it is not third division.

Now to the other replies, you are the decent fans who need to bring your new club forward - and far from fighting to suggest your history is intact, you should be happy to take this chance to lose the dead clubs history - the titles the old club should, and very possibly still will, lose. The vile hatred and bigotry. The violence and intimidation brought to grounds week in week out. The decent amongst you know the new club you now support can and will be a force in Scottish football, in years to come. The decent amongst you also know, with what your old club has done, you are lucky to wipe out your history and start again, the penalties could have been so much worse.

As a final thought, Mr Green, your saviour? Or as bad or worse than Murray and Whyte? Troubled times still to come?

Bobby,
You sir a proper footballing gent.
Well said.

In reply to post 4.You say "your importance was borne solely from fraud and cheating". i think your getting ahead of yourself there. The EBT saga ran from 2001-2010 and as yet rangers have not been found quilty. so even if we are quilty over EBT's then that only accounts for 10years of our 140year history. Are you saying that rangers must have always cheated and thats the reason we're the most succesful club in scotland. to me that sounds like jealousy.

To post 6, no I never intended to say your entire 140 years was made up of cheating, and having reread my post I can see fully that it reads that way, and I apologise. I was talking about the recent past, and not just EBT's. It is clear Rangers paraded players beyond their means, giving them an unfair advantage and allowing them to win titles they may not have done should they have lived within their means. In my opinion, and it is only my opinion I give, because as you rightly say, Rangers have not been found guilty - YET - but in my opinion that makes Rangers cheats.

I take heart that you only feel the need to object to one very small piece of my post and conclude you are most likely content with the rest?

As for jealous, jealous of what? Even when Rangers were apparently almighty and all conquering I was never jealous of them. Now they are dead and consigned to the history books I feel no need to start. And for the record, I will never feel jealous of Sevco Newco either.

Apology accepted. however i would like to ask you how many clubs are in debt or have been in debt. i estimate most of them. if your indebt then your living outwith your means? does that mean that most football clubs around the world are cheats? just a point i find interesting to mull over.

Hear,hear.... let's put our application into the sfl to start again in div 3. that way we can re-group & have a 5 yr business plan to get back to the top again ! all the people that were quick to vote against us & kick us when we were down.... who will fund them now, because the 80 million sky deal, won't be on the table...out with the old firm, the rest of you lot only turn up in your droves ,when your team reaches the ODD HAMPDEN FINAL ..... BIG BILL...

Most clubs are in debt but have the ability to service their debts within the constraints set by the creditors(s). The former Rangers FC's debt was unmanageable, there being the difference.

All that said, being in debt didn't make them cheats. Double contracts, EBT's and any other method allowing them to sign players of a standard better than they could otherwise afford, and better than their law abiding competitors could afford, therefore giving them an unfair advantage and giving rise to my assertion they cheated. Yes, I know again, not yet found guilty of anything, but you do seem fair and reasonable minded, and I'd be willing to bet deep down, you know that is reality.

Anyway, thanks for the acceptance of the apology, having read back my post I fully accept it read differently to what I meant. But we better be careful, could we seriously be the first Rangers and Aberdeen fan to promote civility between us :-)

^^^^^^^^^^
Its refreshing to have a level discussion on the issue. Its not something i've had the privilage of for some time. Cheers

25 Jun 2012 16:43:27
Just heard Aberdeen have voted No, Ed if that's it what will happen to my season ticket application can I stop it? I really thought we would stay in SPL, I don't want to pay over £1000 to watch SFL3 teams, going to get a Man Utd ticket for my me and my boy for next season had enough of Scottish Football.

SickGersFan!

So what if man utd go broke in 10 years? Will you move onto whoever is winning? I'm not renewing my season book but certainly not moving onto another club, where you a Morton fan 20 years ago before moving onto rangers?

Another one who does do walkin away

The ticket office have said that the fans can get a full refund or renew at a reduced price depending on what league we are in.

If thats the case then stay of page

Good riddance we need real fans now more than ever.

And you call youself a fan...joke

Think everyone is in the dark regarding season tickets mate. I would suggest writing to rangers requesting to cancel your season ticket then cancel your direct debit if you have one. If u've sent payment by cheque cancel it if it hasn't been cashed and if u've made full payment by card then think you may have more trouble getting your money back?!

Not much of a rangers fan then, P1SS off to manchester then.

CJM

Sickgersfan....what made you think for a minute the newco were going to be allowed back into the SPL?

Renew your ticket by all means to the team, team being the opperative word, your team is your team no matter where they play....

Personally I think it maybe to late in the day(timescale wise) for Rangers, in any guise to being any league this season.....I think we maybe looking at a year out of professional football at this rate, what's your thoughts ED:?
Bill {Ed039's Note - No I think there will be a major change in the structure of Scottish football will be rushed in before the start of the season, although it looks ineveitable to me that Rangers, in whatever guise will start life in Div 3)

Rangers fan welcome in Manchester?

Doubt it very much.

If that's the attitude don't come back when we are back in the SPL. The most surprising aspect of that post is that it wasn't Man City. None of us want to watch SFL3 but the reality is we probably will be, this will definitely separate the real Rangers fans from the toy fans and glory hunters we have acquired along the way. I'll still be there as much as I can, regardless of who we are playing or what team we have thrown on the park. Enjoy Old Trafford a few times a season pal if you actually get there.

BigBlueBear

I've never owned a season ticket..I like football but I'm more an armchair fan. But if Rangers go to the third division I will - for the first time in my life - buy a season ticket - when they're doing well they don't need all 1 million plus of us turning up, we can be lazy. They needs us now! Man Utd is not our team and never will be - No disrespect to Reds but you've got more than enough fans already :)

Big waiting list for mufc tickets.

Away u go...u will fit in well with the typical man utd supporter {Ed039's Note - You mean lives outside of manchester lol)

Armchair fan.......well said. Most sensible post in months. I will be following your lead.

I've followed old Rangers all over Europe and have no problem following the new Rangers in whatever league we end up in. I'll buy a family season ticket for the first time safe in the knowledge that in a few years time I'll be following my team all over Europe as usual :) PS - I wouldn't be too surprised if we make the Champions League Group Stages BEFORE Celtic do - even giving them 4 or 5 years of a start :)

Not a True Blue Nose. Whatch Partick Thistle instead that should save you some money.Its great to see the true Rangers supporters come uot of the woodwork. Im EMBARRESSED

Listen the guy has forked out good money for next years season tickets, how many of you so called real supporters have done so. jj

Man Utd and Celtic fan here. I always come on here for a laugh at how your little club is doing and it never fails. We don't need any reject fans especially from a mob like you lot.Enjoy oblivion it couldn't happen to a nicer team.

Spot on Armchair fan, not enough of your kind on here.
I'll be doing the same.

If rangers can beat celtic to champions league group stages - with a £50 million tax advantage and 9 years free run at it...

how will they do it now they are pennyless?

unreal. I doubt UEFA will ever let GERS back in to any competition......

Armchair fan and the other true blues on here, I'm a Celtic man and read this page often to see whats the latest capers with Rangers. I am now however trying to come to terms with the fact there will be no old firm game next season (never again in some people's opinion) and it is disappointing I have to admit. I would like to applaud the boys who have the right attitude on here and want to get behind their team whatever league they are playing in. It's grim I know but this is what TRUE supporters do. They follow they're team through thick and thin. The opening poster is a absolute let down to the rest of you and you truly dont need him. Fans like him are the opposite if what your club needs right now. MAN UTD? FFS. Years from now you can say YOU were there when rangers had to start again in a lower division and you never gave it up. I think that's genuinely something you could be proud to tell your grand kids when you tell them about Rangers. Anyways I hope it's 1st division and not the 3rd and the season after next the old fireworks can start again. Stevensee88

25 Jun 2012 16:01:58
Radio Snyder:
Strathclyde police investigating craig Whyte takeover of Rangers.
Also Hibs and ICT vote no to Newco in SPL.

25 Jun 2012 15:36:56
This needs to be said!

Mr McCoist, Mr Green et al legally should stop calling Serco5088 Rangers.

Rangers are due to be liquidated.

Under section 216 of the Insolvency Act 1986 it is illegal.

(2) For the purposes of this section, a name is a prohibited name in relation to such a person if -
(a) it is a name by which the liquidating company was known at any time in that period of 12 months, or
(b) it is a name which is so similar to a name falling within paragraph (a) as to suggest an association with that company

The penny will finally drop.

Kieran

I feel your hurt Kieran all those years of history away as yous keep telling us.Never mind yous were always a good second always chasing never in front never mind no your fault.Anyway can't talk for Ally or Mr Green but just to keep you happy I'll refer to my team from now on as The Gers or the bears or The Rangers hope that meets Your Approvel.

The company is SEVCO 5088..


They have bought the assets of a company called Rangers Football Club PLC.
Inc stadium,training ground,car park & goodwill.

The company can not be called anything near Rangers. For at least a year.

Its a club not a company they are owned by a company called SEVCO 5088 but at this moment they are a club so the name can be used..

Rangers won more than their fair share of battles as statistics will show,Celtic on the other hand are the last man standing so they have won the war.

You're absolutely correct Keiran. 100% laddie.
Rangers are being liquidated and probably because they overspent trying to cheat the Champions league of the top trophy over 12 years with illegally registered and paid players. Anything to catch up with Scotland's No.1 team.

Kieran, i feel your pain too, but sadly, your point is misguided. Our official title is Glasgow Rangers Football Club, now we are THE Rangers Football Club, and we are THE people, and we will be back, soon.......

@ OP you my friend are another deluded fan of whatever team....you just dont get it do you...We are Rangers not a Company its the fans that make Rangers just as fans make celtic ,hearts and so on so forget about all the "your Club Is Dead" gash it will never die as we will never let it happen as you will see in the coming years so stop all your bleating cos you will be a good 2nd in league again once we make our way back up pal...

Tam-Sir 1873 It hurts but we will get there..

What exactly is your point Khieran? Rangers will always be Rangers in the hearts and minds of fans,no matter how many times you and similar minded Rangers haters try to get your point across. Just get on with supporting your own team and stop obsessing about Rangers. Hope the penny drops for you also.

It's Sevco 5088 simple as that

We were always second were we ,mr murray,s ambitions for rangers when he took over was to beat celtic 8-1 in a cup final win ten league titles in a row and win the european cup he spent an absolute fortune in trying to achieve it, all he achieved was putting you were you are this evening.

The CLUB 'The Rangers Football Club' was incorporated in 1899. At that time it become a company. This is the company that is currently being liquidated. The company and the club are one and the same otherwise there would be no discussion about assets or players contacts or bank accounts. You have to accept this becuae this is FACT. The OP is correct. He has quoted the appropriate section of the insolvency act. Check the facts if you don't believe them but for goodness sake don't rely on the delusional posters on this site, it will only hurt more when you have to accept the facts.

Absolute nonsense from an ill-informed fool. The company running the club has gone into liquidation. RFC will always be RFC, like it or not.
Bitter posts from bitter fools, get a grip.
Good luck winning the league for the next few years, enjoy the challenge.
RFC *****

Just to note the proposed title "The Rangers" is a proposal and has not been fully registered yet. Legally Keiran is correct. BDO, when in place, can however grant permission for the use of a very similar name such as The Rangers so until we know their intentions it's impossible to know how it'll play out. Personally I think now that the SPL have effectively rejected the newco application BDO will allow the name to be used. I think they will see that there has been enough happen to prevent a Newco being seen as an easy option. Had the applciation been accepted without punishment I think they'd have been concerned about precedent. But thats just a guess!

Keichon oops sorry keiro, so glad you spend most of your time away from your homework to feed the celtic fan obssession. let it go boy let it go.

Quick someone tell Leeds they're breaking the law {Ed039's Note - Leeds were not liquidated)

You've been quiet on this one up to now ED, what do you think about Kierans post? is he right? {Ed039's Note - No, in one guise or another, if "Sevco" as some people are calling it are accepted to a league then they will be called some sort of variation of Rangers, there are plenty of companies who have went under where another company has used their name in some sort to enhance their business)

At the moment does the newco have the right to use "Rangers" or is it still held by Rangers 1873 until liquidation? if they do not yet own the right to use rangers at the moment then until such times as they do they are sevco5088

Ed, read the OP again. He's not talking about anyone calling the company a name but an officer of the liquidating company referring to a company is such a way as to cause confusion. Sction 216 refers to the bahaviour of, in this case, Green not all the fans on this site.

What a sad sad post. your life must be full of excitement pal.

"The rangers fans wont let their club die"
well congratulations you have finaly managed it. the glorious defiant loyal rangers fans sat on their hands and done nothing even when the alarms bells were ringing for several years and the writing on the wall flashing neon instead of taking matters into their OWN HANDS as Celtic & Hibs done in the past they were content to take to internet forums to speculate moan wail howl deny hows its not their fault. Murray and latterly whyte were to blame,but rangers fans sat back and waited and waited for someone anyone to save them rather than do it themselves. their sense of entitlement brought about by their clubs social standing was well and good before but not now. that along with the medias reluctance to tell rangers fans the truth, they were easy targets for spin and "EXCLUSIVE" fairystories even these so called rangers men where were they and why did they let the club die. And "RA PEEPIL" were to busy organising boycotts firstly of Lloyds who has the audacity to ask for their money back. then anyone who dared tell them the truth from Internet bloggers to the BBC they were now enemies of the club.truth is if rangers fans wernt to biggoted to listen because of who was telling them they could have saved their club.Its rather simple now the club along with its history is now dead just a memory just as Elvis is dead their are people who look like him sound like him impersonate him they are not and like rangers Elvis is also dead

Folks, get used to it. Our club DIED. We are no more ! All our history is . . . . HISTORY ! But we are NOT Rangers any more. WE are a new club (at the moment we are called Sevco5088 !) If, and it's a big IF, we ever get to play another game of football, whether it's in SFL Division 3 or anywhere else, we will NOT be Rangers FC of old. I'm afraid we will have to get used to it. It hurts, but it's the truth. I know many will com back to me to say I'm wrong, but Im afraid it's over. You are delusioned if you think Rangers are still alive. It was good while it lasted, but it's over now. Rangers are Dead. RIP

Sad to say the truth does hurt no one likes change we have been liquidated or soon to be we better get used to it

25 Jun 2012 15:26:32
Time may be running out.....

The SFL will have a problem. The SFL League season starts on 11th August, thus giving some weeks for a replacement. But the SFL season itself kicks off on 28th July with the first round of the Ramsdens Challenge Cup, followed by the first round of the League Cup on 4th August.
When Gretna failed, to be replaced by Annan Athletic, the SFL was able to carry out its process of assessing the various applicants, reaching a decision on 3rd July. As the SPL vote regarding Rangers only takes place on 4th July, and as the admission of a new member requires a General Meeting of the members of the SFL, with at least 14 days notice required, then the earliest that the SFL could meet to decide on a new applicant would be 19th July. In reality that would be optimistic in the extreme.

David Langmuir said
“If Rangers or anyone else applied for entry into the SFL they would have to go through the same process as Annan, Spartans FC, Preston Athletic and Cove Rangers did four years ago. They would have to put a proposal to us on why they should be allowed in and then hope they were voted in by the SFL clubs.

“… anything that brought excitement and freshness to the SFL would be something I’m interested in.

“It would be the same process, given any set of circumstances. When Annan were welcomed in the process took a couple of months during the close season. In the past we’ve had to assess the likes of Annan, Cove and Preston on the basis of ground criteria, facilities and financial stability. So checks have to be done, which would obviously be a bit different if Rangers were involved.

 “Currently, the SFL don’t have a vacancy. The issue Rangers are facing is an SPL matter because they’re a top-flight club. If things change we would follow a tried and tested process, which we’ve always done. If a vacancy arose in the SFL, for whatever reason, we would open up an application process for clubs. We did the same when Gretna went into liquidation.

“A vacancy was opened up in the Third Division and we went through an application process, which allowed a new club to join. The 29 member clubs of the SFL would be asked to vote on who they wished to bring in to the Third Division.

“It’s based on a lot of criteria and the last time it was Annan Athletic who were successful. So of course it is possible for Rangers to play in the Third Division. They only need to look at recent history to see how the process works.”

I suspect that Mr Longmuir did not expect, when saying the above to the Record in April, to face having to find a new member in the height of summer, when many will be away on holiday, and with a maximum of 23 days to carry out the full process!

Cove Rangers and Spartans will have the advantage of being able to blow the dust off the plans from four years ago, and update it. Sevco Rangers need to write one from scratch, and to deal with enquiries regarding “financial stability”. If it went to a vote, I think it highly unlikely that the SFL clubs would reject Rangers. After all, the third division teams would get to entertain them twice in the first season, and probably the other two divisions would have the same as RFC worked its way back to the SPL.
Even if Sevco Rangers get into the SFL, they still have to satisfy the SFA as to their credentials. If this is in the midst of a marketing campaign by Mr Green to emphasise to RFC fans that it is still the same old club, it will be difficult for him to distance Sevco Rangers from the alleged wrongdoings of Messrs Whyte and Murray. This would especially be so if the SPL Appellate Tribunal under Lord Carloway reconvenes before then. Indeed the SFL would be entitled to hold off from any decision till the regulatory future of “Rangers” became clearer.

I think that the short notice for replacing the missing team means that the SFL might not be able to complete the process of filling the gap for the start of the Ramsdens Challenge Cup. The upheaval to all the fixture lists would be serious.

In 2009, when an SFL Disciplinary Panel relegated Livingston from Division 1 to Division 3, it did so the week prior to the season starting. This caused chaos and leads me to believe that the SFL could elect to play a season with only 9 teams in the SFL Division 3. They will not want to repeat the mayhem caused by the changes. Can they possibly manage a full and fair process, particularly when there could be risks of legal challenges, and of further disciplinary action against Rangers FC?

And even if Sevco Rangers is voted in as a member of the SFL, there is still a big problem lurking.

Rule 115.2 states:-

“A club shall be permitted to register, at any one time, up to a maximum of 22 players, who have reached the age of 21 years on 1st January of the appropriate year. The maximum number of 22 players includes players registered by means of a temporary transfer. Additional players may be registered by a club, however such players must be under 21 years of age on 1st January of the appropriate year.”

My reading of that is clear. If you are a team in the SFL, you can only have 22 players of 21 or over registered to you. Old Rangers had a lot more than that and Mr Green thinks that all the players have now joined Sevco Rangers, although the failure to abide by statutory consultation procedures relating to TUPE might render that less clear than he thinks.

If all of the players have joined Sevco Rangers, then what will they do with them, as they would need to reduce numbers very quickly?

Rangers would have four choices.

1                     Ask the SFL for a waiver. But the rule is there for a reason, to level the playing field, and to save the SFL clubs forcing themselves into becoming financially stretched to keep up with competitors by signing more and more players. A waiver would be an admission that Sevco Rangers was a “special case”.

2                     Send a lot of players out on loan. This could work as it would cut the numbers of players, and reduce the wage bill. However, sending highly paid players out on loan would damage the product on the field, and sending young, over 21, players out would only affect the number rather than the wage bill.

3                     Sell off a lot of players. This would create income for Sevco, as long as the position regarding the players’ employment had been clarified. However this would be akin to a forced sale, and buyers would have the upper hand. This might however provide Sevco with essential working capital, although if the top players were being sold, could damage the attendances and season ticket sales.

4                     Pay players off. Terminate contracts and make players redundant. That will cost them money, and paying off a player’s contract when they have been on the Sevco books for only a couple of weeks would be profligate in the extreme.

As far as the players are concerned, wise agents would be advising them to await at least the July 4 vote before confirming their positions. Normally objections to TUPE transfers happen at or before transfer, but here, where it seems that none of the statutory procedures have taken place, I think the players would have some leeway, if they wanted it.

Conclusion

Will Rangers be admitted to the SFL? On balance it is more likely than not. However, there are many issues which make that uncertain, that of the players being one of them.

As Mr Longmuir has already confirmed that the same process as before will be followed, an unsuccessful applicant could have legal redress in the courts if Sevco Rangers is “fast tracked” into the SFL Division 3.

(As an aside, how are the might fallen when I am talking about being fast tracked into Division 3! Last season saw Rangers playing in the Champions’ League in July and August. This might, at best, see them kicking off in the Ramsdens Challenge Cup.)

Will the SFL members feel that the attention which will be on them if Rangers enter Division 3 is worth the upheaval of fixture list changes? For economic reasons, at least for the bottom division teams, the answer is yes.

It is not certain however, and with all the issues Sevco have to put a team on the field, there is, with every day that passes, ever more possibility that Sevco Rangers will not compete in Scottish football next season.

In that case, and even if a gap is left in Division 3, how can a football team survive for a year with no income, unless it decided to become a footballing Harlem Globetrotters, playing exhibition games? That too could be a problem, as the ongoing SFA and SPL disciplinary processes might result in Sevco Rangers being banned for the year they would be out of the league, and if banned, they cannot play friendly fixtures either!

The saga continues!

That's why they are going for restructure of the leagues before start of season. Removes all these hurdles at a stroke of a pen.

"All three parties have been involved in productive discussions for some time on the subject of league reconstruction.

This culminated in a positive meeting last night, out of which the two league bodies will now engage in a wider consultation with their member clubs.

"The discussions are based on the key principles for reconstruction outlined in the Henry McLeish Review of Scottish football:

* One league body in the senior game
* Promotion/relegation play-off between SPL and SFL First Division
* Single financial distribution model
* Pyramid system, with the potential for relegation from and promotion to the fourth tier

"Further consultation will take place in the near future, with the aim of reaching a positive outcome on a new model to take Scottish football forward."

The arrogance of thinking... We'll just go to the third! Huh there's an application process and your late!

This is why SPL, SFL and SFA pushing a two league retructucture through in weeks, not months. Tearing up the rule book to get Rangers into a new D1.

Blimey!

To the first reply. The chairman of Spartans was one of those who was threatened after McCoists "Who are these people?" rant. Green has annoyed some men who see themselves as important and do not like Johnny Come Lately s scoring points against them. They have clout and they have memories. It will be done ever so delicately but I have hopes that integrity will survive.

The SFL are underestimating their own clubs. No way will D1 clubs want newco Rangers in there. And D1 fans don't want them either.

You need to get out more !

There will be a backlash if the newco goes into div1 from teams and fans lets apply for div3

The first post was good but you are going on the assumption that they don't already have another fixture list ready to put in place if the worst case happend

25 Jun 2012 15:22:12
we as fans should demanded answers from mr green who are all his backers. how does he plan to finance our club. and how does he replace all these players leaving. and does he not no u can not sue players if they do not have contract with his new company. they must accept his transfer first witch they are not accepting. and for us to rebuild we need serious investment not monoply money. mr green let us no ure plans if u want us to buy season tickets.

32%. How many buy it for the SPL? get your stats and then construct an argument. Most will liely buy it for English football.

25 Jun 2012 15:10:34
Why the anger towards Whittaker and naisy? I dont have a problem with any of them leaving. Its their jobs, they can love the club with all their heart but still need to earn a living for their family. I say good luck to them. It seems they had no conact from the club, so they have every right to go to pastures new, and Mr Green, how old are you? Your going to take legal action on players that a took 75% wage drop to keep the club going. Do you honestly think many players will stay now they hear their new owner say things like that?
Don

100% agree...and good luck to both of them...both showed they loved the club, how can we expect them to stay and play in the lower leagues for minimum 3 seasons when they have a short career to make the most of...they will be missed but we will be back

They would have been sold or sent out on loan depending on what division Rangers end up in when Rangers get Dumped out of SPL. They would not have been dropping down leagues, Rangers could not have afforded them.They had agreed a certain price for there transfer fee when they took the deferal of wages. All this has done is to deny club a vitally need transfer fee ie income to fund the club.I believe the players are wrong to do this.If all the valuable players folow suit i dont think it will be long till newco is in admin.

Exactly. Remember it was the club that forced the issue of contracts back in March, otherwise Rangers wouldn't have completed the fixtures.

Eh , think you will find that the players took wage referrals to keep all the jobs going, if they had refused there would have been redundancies , naisy reluctantly took a wage referral for 3 months which isn't bad for a player who has had 2 major injurys that the club supported him 100 % , aye think the lad did ok out of Rangers and can now look to a bumper signing on fee and salary but hay ho that's just my take on it

The players took a wage cut to pay D&P not to save the club as that was never going to happen unless a stupid billionaire came to the club

25 Jun 2012 15:05:08
ICT have become the forth club to confirm they'll vote against newco entering the SPL

Its curtains for the SPL

as hearts,dundee united , aberdeen , hibs and now inverness have al said NO

Nobody will vote yes. It will be unanimous.
Integrity is too big to fail.
Future generations will look back on 2012 and say those guys back then got it right.

Rangers'll remain bigger in third division than them.

Big Terry must be gutted.

25 Jun 2012 14:56:25
ICT say no as well as Hearts,Dundee United and Hibs.That's it then!Over and out

& Aberdeen makes 5

Assuming that oldco Rangers still have a vote, there is still the possibility of 8 "yes" votes.

Now then, will there be a race to be the 5th No or will all clubs shy away from being the one to finally put the boot in?

Good point you might find that clubs will now keep their own council for fear that they will be seen as the final nail but it won't matter because the damage is done

Evening times reporting that st Johnstone chairman releasing statement opposing newco also. There's your 5. Div 3 here we come. It's a waste of time this meeting on July 4th

25 Jun 2012 14:36:59
Procurator Fiscal and Strathclyde Police to investigate acquisition and financial management of Rangers by Craig Whyte.


Mac2.

25 Jun 2012 14:07:37
Charles Green just left ibrox. When asked by an STV journalist he said he didn't know Hibs are against newco rangers in Spl...

Is this guy living in a bubble?

25 Jun 2012 13:19:04
While I think that a number of players may have walked anyway, I think the vast majority would have stayed had the Walter Smith bid gone through.

Once we are back in the SPL with a unrecognisable team, Green will sell up at a healthy profit, probably with a rent back deal on the Stadium and having sold other assets like the car park and Murray Park. Until then I will not be supporting a team owned by asset strippers, not the same Rangers without the support at it's heart !

Once we have Rangers men at the helm, I will consider taking back a season ticket I have had for 26 years.

Were David Murray and Craig Whyte no supposed Rangers Men fed up hearing about so called rangers men , What rangers need is business people who can operate within our means, and if Charles green can get us back into the premier league then sell for a profit it will mean he's done the job required

Are you for real, if Walters bid had gone through.

Walter helped to put us where we are today, maybe he could give back his EBT payment that he recieved whilst he was Everton manager, or don't we talk about that.

So much for a rangers fan only support us when winning titles thats the last thing we nned. we need the fans to get behind the new rangers.

How could the newco have afforded to keep these players - I know there are TUPE rules but surely the only reason Green wanted them to stay is so he could sell them?

I wish Walter Smith would butt out of Rangers once and for all where was he at the bidding stage nowhere thats where

Op your season ticket for last 26 year was for oldco so far you have never bought a season ticket for newco in your life so why should you even have a say in the matter your not a season ticket holder never have been

Still going on about smith where was he the months before mr green came in, start backing the guy he has taking us over when we where at our lowest, i bought my season ticket now do the same this is a club we are supposed to love

If all gers fans adopt your attitude then it will be 26 years before your club is back in the SPL.

Rangers will not exist in any form at Ibrox without a sizeable support.

Anorak.

25 Jun 2012 12:23:03
mccoist set to walk away. he was sure most of his big players would remain at the club. however with a squad which will be reduced to nothing will be the final straw for ally. personally i don't think it would be a bad thing cause ally is not manager material.

He will go into hiding if the post that he and Walter got £2M and £3M from ebt's is true. I do hope that they were at least employed at the Club on receipt of the so called employee loans, oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

Ally didn't receive ebt's.

25 Jun 2012 12:23:44
Edu and Bocanegra will be the next to leave Rangers.

25 Jun 2012 11:53:41
Straight into the 1st doomed to fail too. see press releases from 1st Div teams.
we may not even get in the 3rd.......

Falkirk
“It would be totally unacceptable if a “Rangers Newco” were admitted to the First Division on the current rules. Even a weakened “Rangers Newco” would have resources that far outstripped all other First Division clubs and this would pretty much guarantee them promotion before the season even starts.”

Can see falkirks point - were they not denied promotion to SPL because they had spent money on players rather than getting their ground into shape for top level?

25 Jun 2012 11:28:01
Rangers have been reported to the Fifa Dispute Resolution Chamber by Rapid Vienna over money owed from the transfer of Nikica Jelavic.

There's an oldco account with ticket money in it.

Which rangers, i am confused

JG

That could get really interesting.... I wonder if FIFA have the power to either insist that Newco settle the Oldco debts for Jelavic (and others) or that, if they don't, Newco cannot be known as "Rangers".

Otherwise you'd be trying to have your cake and eat it.

25 Jun 2012 08:25:29
how many players do we need for next season / will we have enough

Eleven i think 10 outfield players and a goal keeper and if theirs any spare we could use them as subs

We still have Broadfoot!

liquidation still canny get rid of this guy!

Glad to see a sence of humour still exist, 2 brilliant responces made me laugh.

Pretty sure there is an SFL rule that SFL clubs are allowed a maximum of 20 young (under 21?) players registered, which could make it kinda difficult to run both a youth team and a youth policy for first XI.

Will a team of mostly youths get RFC up the divisions? I'm not so sure, the lower divisions (1 and 2 in particular) have a lot of hardened old pros playing.

Perhaps what RFC will need to climb the SFL will be, initially, quite a few seasoned pros from SFL1 and lower ranking SPL sides.

In any case, in the circumstances for the next season or two that may be the best RFC are able to attract anyway.

All this chat does of course presume that RFC are admitted to SFL, which is certainly no foregone conclusion as the clock is ticking and deadlines are tight.

CB

You will have the newco girls u15 team at your disposal as apparently they have all signed over.

24 Jun 2012 23:31:59
Well thats the civil war started . The major players have just been on the news saying they are walking away . Green has just issued a statement saying he will sue the players for breach of contract ! Who the hell is advising him ? I wouldn't be surprised if it was the Duff and Duffers . Would nsomeone tell this clown the RFC WAS LIQUIDATED. IT NO LONGER EXISTS !You can't have a contract with a company that no longer exists !

Should we all tell him

He must know that he has no hold over these players. However, the threat of legal action - delaying when they could start playing for another team - might put off some potential managers.

Green says he bought the clubs assets including players contracts.

Actually Rangers still exists, Not liqudated yet, Also Assest were transfered which includes players, History will always exists, i just does not go away, also Club exsted before PLC was formed so the club was formed in 1873, but the PLC was formed in 1899, so Club exists, PLC does not.

Think someone needs to tell you the old company arent liquidated yet still technically in administration

When moving employees from one company to another requires a break in employment and only the employee can decide whether they are to be employed by the new company. It doesn't automatically happen without agreement from both parties. Yes Rangers are still a live company and all that will happen is that the players will remain employees of the Oldco until they are liquidated or if the wages fail to be met, in which case the old company are in breach of contract, therefore any legally binding agreement will become null and void. In a nutshell, the players can go to another club once Rangers are liquidated if they wish. I think that this façade that Green is putting up with the threat of court action against the players is only a smokescreen for what he is doing behind the scenes, which is unquestionably Asset stripping

Dear Mr Green, I used to do business aquisitions for a living Our golden rule - good swimmers will jump ship first. I applaud you for speaking to the staff etc, but it might have been a wee bit of a mistake to send an email to the top players about three weeks after you got involved. They have options and egos too. I think abandon ship is the order of the day because they don't know where it is headed and threatening breach of contract does not work at the end of the day.
Doogie

Players are not assets on a balance sheet, they are expenses (ie wages etc).
Yes RFC have not been liquidated ... yet.
However - sevco are not a club yet either, they have no SFA registration, and no league membership.
It cannot hold players registrations.
Either oldco or the SFA will currently hold them, be nice if CG could provide some clarity on this (don't hold your breath).

He's accusing the same players who took a 75% cut in wages of greed. duh!

Think someone needs to realise their is two companies they cant both be rangers the history remains with the old one you cant buy it ... you cant walk up to mike tyson and offer to buy his history then start telling everyone you where the youngest ever heavy weight champion of the word think about it then stop being stuped

If walter smiths men bought the club it would still be an newco do you think they would still walk away?

Administration, liquidated - whatever. The two players have done their part in kwwping Rangers going with their 75% pay cut. Green's antics aren't going to endear him to the remaining players nor make Rangers an attractive team to sign for.

Stay strong, Steven and Steven.

I don't know what it takes to get through to some delusional bears. The club formed in 1873 was INCORPORATED in 1899. THat means it become a company. They are one and the same thing. The company that is being liquidated IS the club.

The history will always remain with old company. New history will start with Newco. If people believe that still the same history then Newco should accept old clubs sanctions. Fiorentina had to buy the rights to use club badge and to include old clubs history by going thru Italian courts.

Somehow I think Charles Green will have done his research and will no more than the "DUFF & DUFFER" that write nonsense on this site. Charles Green is in charge of Rangers, The Rangers, our team, lets get behind him and "follow follow" wherever our team may be playing next season. The man is trying to turn us around for the better.

And it came to pass in the one hundredth & fortieth year, in the sixth month, & the fortieth day of that month, that certain of the elders of HMRC, Tickietus et al, came to enquire of the ibrox administrators, and sat before them asking where is thy money!. to which there was only a small mumble then total silence, then came the word of the people unto them, saying NO cva it's liquidation for you hence the passing into HISTORY of team formally known as Glasgow Rangers, so you now have a newco but none of the history (or players for that matter) Let the exodus begin!!

Here's a forecast. Green blusters as players walk away. He is stuck with large wage demands from those left. SPL say No entry. SFL fans object to RFC(??) being parachuted into Div 1. There is talk of court action against Green on more than one front. Green says "I tried my best but you were all against me. I have no choice but to sell off all the assets." Ibrox and car park go to speculative builders or Tesco or Aldi or Iceland.

Saying naismith has breeched a contract seems like slander at least.... especially if naismith can show no contract exists... ?

Green should make his case on facts, about what he can offer, not fiction.

The players contracts cannot be bought by someone and then players are obliged to follow the new Maister. Indentured slavery ended long ago.

A players contract can't be transferred with their permission to do so, the contract they signed was under the RFC plc and would have to be TUPE'd under The existing terms of that contract as this newco has no revenue stream how does Charles green expect to pay players that are on over £20,000 per week with the uncertainty of not knowing where they will be playing next season or if they will be playing. It is at the discretion of the player whether or not they accept a TUPE transfer to another company, they cannot be forced to do so.

As soon as green tries (or tried, still dont know when hes trsnsfering contracts) the palyers have a legal right to walk.

To 'Actually Rangers still exists' the second part of your post is I am sorry to say a lot of tripe - when a PLC is formed it subsumes that that has come before so clearly when it goes bust everything goes down with it! Memories, of course, still exist but that is all.

Look on the bright side at least we don't have to honour the ridiculous contract CW gave to Whittaker.

The players are well within their right to walk away. green saying he'll take them to court is utter nonsense. WHEN we are demoted to division 1 don't think for one second it's a case of just turning up and winning our place back in spl. more players will leave and our squad will be reduced to rubble. worrying times ahead!

My heid's bursting with aw this! Were the players not listed as assets within the accounts and so can't be considered as normal employees? If they do consider themselves normal employees then why did not one of them challenge Fifa's transfer windows under employment law? On a slightly different note...what about the other 100+ actual employees of the company? Has anyone considered them while trying to kill off Rangers out of hatred and spite? How many of them have refused to shift their contracts over to Charles Green? Just a thought!

Players are not assets. They are employees just like the groundsman or the tea lady and are treated as such by the law. Now whether or not an argument could be made that the players registrations are assets is a different matter. But the human beings themselves cannot be considered assets. That could leave those that walk away in a wee bit of limbo and probably more court dates in future.

Has CG bought the rangers assets? The reason i ask is that his almost every word or action would suggest otherwise to me. Imagine you are a player who has half a brain, you would be following this story and hearing a statement from D&P or CW or AMc or CG, anyone who is connected to this sorry saga only for it to be completely contradicted half an hour later? Would you trust in the future of this newco? Would you feck! I am of the opinion that not one party in this sorry saga has told the whole truth to the players or fans including sir walter! The players would be mad to hang around and lose potential millions whwn fans are rightly swithering over 500 bucks for a st! John bhoy in peace.

If the plc is being liquidated and the club is still the same club then why would the players need to be transferred in the first place ?? would they not be still at the club ?? unless the players where signed to the plc the stadium and murray park belongs to the plc the fans season tickets money went to the plc so in that case what is the actual club then does it exist ?? thats a head scratcher but anyway if tescos buy ibrox will they be the only super market in the world to have won 54 league titles ?? cant see asda excepting that

Were the players not listed as assets within the accounts and so can't be considered as normal employees? ehh i think thats considered as slavery selling people like that was outlawed years ago

It strikes me that one of the few people in this whole Rangers saga with integrity is Charles Green. As for Naismith, Whittaker and co they are snivelling liars who have sold out our club to line their own pockets. It has nothing to do with employment law or players careers the only motivation is money and as far as I am concerned they have stolen millions from my club and my one hope now is that football karma comes into effect and that every player who chooses this route finds only obscurity in the years ahead.

Nobody expects them to play in the SFL only to come to training, accept their wages on Thursday and then get their agents to negotiate their transfer to another club for the reduced value that was written into their contract at the time of the wage redcutions.

Please do not offer sympathy or support for these snivelling gutless individuals, me and you made them millionaires and now in our genuine hour of need they have stabbed us in the back.

Oh! and by the way I have given Charles Green my ticket money, why? because I lover Rangers and he is the only man prepared to save my club. Not Park, not McColl, not Smith, not Kennedy, not Murray, not King. get behind Charles Green and give our children and grandchildren a football club to be proud of.

Read the reports in the press of the Naismith and Whittaker prerss conference it proves we can trust no one but ourselves, how a journalist can present that charade as anything other than an excercise in greed tells me everything I need to know about Scottish football journalists and the part they are playing in destroying our club. The only journalist we might be able to trust is Jim Traynor who seems to write without an agenda, I think he knows the real headlines always lies in the truth.

Wise up you bunch of morons green cant afford the wages of your best players he forced their hand . you now turn your anger against players who love rangers. can you say the same about green.

One simple answer if a player is contracted to a club and the club decide to sell him does he need to go ?? no he needs to sign the contract first so how can oldco sell them to newco without their permission